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On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:13:39 -0500, Scott Kitterman <...@kitterman.com
I did finally get a chance to test it today. I didn't find any advantages for
AIM (the protocol I tested) for KDE telepathy. In addition to the previously
discussed lack of encryption support (not happening for Precise) and lack of
message indicator integration (hopefully happening), I did find another issue:
https://launchpad.net/bugs/947430 - Actions on notifications not working
This is a big deal for me personally and it would be nice if someone could
figure it out. I checked and the actions work just fine from Kopete on the same
system, so I don't think it's KDE 4.8 or some more general issue.
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:20:45 +0100, Pali Rohár <...@gmail.com
Do you have correct settings for GTalk in Kopete? This is the hardest part of
configuring GTalk Jabber account... New users without WIKI/google/... are not
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:31:43 +0000, Félim Whiteley <...@gmail.com
I'm using it in Kopete since ~2004. I've tested it with an AIM account which
also gets an error "Connection Failed". The only one that has worked is
hotmail/live/whatever_they_call_it_now windows messenger.
Kopete is ok if it's jsut for Text, but file transfers have never worked, talk
doesn't either. Blocking spam accoutns never seems to work (but that is
probably server side)... it jsut feels abandoned.
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:37:48 +0100, Pali Rohár <...@gmail.com
For blocking spam is good kopete antispam plugin (not part of official kopete
release). Voice call/talk is supported only in Skype and in Jabber by google
libjingle (wich working only sometimes...).
Is kde-telepathy supporting Skype?
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:38:17 -0500, Scott Kitterman <...@kitterman.com
I want OTR support, but I understand that's not happening.
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:17:59 +0100, Harald Sitter <...@ubuntu.com
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:51 PM, David Edmundson
<...@davidedmundson.co.uk
That seems majorly inconvenient TBH, I for one do care quite a bit
about my logs :(
And I certainly would about my metacontacts, I had them set up at some
point but some upgrade years ago broke my contacts database and all
was lost... oh boy that was quite the sad day, I was furious.
So I appreciate the technical difficulty, however I personally feel
uneasy about telling our users that we have a new cool system, except
all the stuff they did in the old system will not be immediately
usable in it.
I remember a time when that happend not to long ago, and I recall KDE
and all distros getting quite the beating for it.
Loss of data is never fun. I agree that emails by and large are
objectively more important than IM data, I am not so sure if they are
subjectively though. If someone spent hours bringing their kopete into
shape by creating metacontacts and now all that was gone they are
bound be unhappy, to say the least (talking from experience here).
BR
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:59:08 +0000, David Edmundson <...@davidedmundson.co.uk
Logs are a different matter entirely. I will sort something out for
0.5, even if I simply just make it load Kopete logs and our logs in
the same app transparently so it looks the same.
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:29:30 +0100, Harald Sitter <...@ubuntu.com
Sounds to me like Precise+1 is the better target then. Plus that one will not
be LTS so it is easier to justify regressions over kopete (if any remain by
that time :)).
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:47:41 -0500, Clay Weber <...@claydoh.com
It is actually quite good, imo, but potential caveats:
The Instant Messaging Presence widget- should this be added to the systray on
install? Closing the Contact list does give a warning about staying online or
to go offline, but there is no systray icon or panel entry once you close it.
Some other small UI things here and there in a similar vein, plus the obvious
lack of features as compared to kopete.
Overall it is good, and even has a basic irc plugin available!
I will use it myself as my day-to-day im client.
However, as an lts, how does updating telepathy-kde work, would we be able to
add a new, better version as necessary, or are we stuck with 0.3 for the life
of the release? If the latter, then I would vote for Kopete I think.
Take all the above into account from me realizing that I have not yet used 0.3
for any chats as of yet, so that part is as of yet untested.
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:42:43 +0000, Jonathan Riddell <...@ubuntu.com
I don't think it's got a great UI design so I wouldn't want it added. I'd rather persuade them to do the message integrator integration.
What's lacking?
From IRC upstream says..
19:36 < d_ed19:36 < d_ed
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:47:13 +0100, Harald Sitter <...@kde.org
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Scott Kitterman <...@kitterman.com
That will majorly piss off the security geeks :O
Also... FWIW: there is a business use case for this! Say you are using
an unencrypted IM solution internally ... one course of action I have
seen taken is simply enforce OTR throughout the company as to prevent
problems when someone is checking in from outside with someone inside.
Anyone got the monies to bribe them not ranting about it on the
intartubes? I think we had enough bad PR for a year....
BR
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:54:43 -0500, Scott Kitterman <...@kitterman.com
wrote:
Just don't drop kopete this cycle. Ship both and let people use each for the
use cases they excel for. Since kopete isn't being developed it's not like
it's going to get hard to backport security fixes.
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:12:25 +0100, Harald Sitter <...@gmail.com
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Scott Kitterman <...@kitterman.com
That can easily get confusing, particularly if we present them both
visually equal....
Does telepathy have KCM entries in systemsettings?
BR
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:47:06 +0000, David Edmundson <...@davidedmundson.co.uk
It is not. Accounts isn't really an issue people only tend to have 3
at most and making new accounts is fricking easy. Migrating logs is
more of a pain, and 0.3 (which you're looking at shipping doesn't have
a log viewer)
It is not in the near future.
I seriously don't see why everyone gets so het up about this, I've yet
to meet anyone who actually uses OTR, it only works if both parties
use it so it's only nerds talking to nerds.
It does.
Shipping both would be confusing. Especially as it really makes sense
to have the presence applet load by default in the sys-tray.
We have sipe. Install pidgin-sipe.
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:21:25 +0100, Harald Sitter <...@gmail.com
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 10:47 PM, David Edmundson
<...@davidedmundson.co.uk
Yes, it is mostly nerds talking to nerds, and yet it is also those who
use an unencrypted network and wish to communicate sensitive data ;)
I do have at least 5 people on my gmail contacts with whom I OTR to
prevent google from eating the conversations.
Considering it has KCMs I totally agree (well, not only, but mostly) :)
BR
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:53:35 +1300, Ingo Ratsdorf <...@envirology.co.nz
----------------Original message-----------------
From: "Harald Sitter" sitt...@gmail.com
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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:21:25 +0100
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Oh come on people, if someone is really using google but being concerned about their data...!?!
I for one do not even know what OTR is, http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/OTR only list two dozen options ;-)
However I have given up on google years ago.
Most users wont care. They are rather interested in a working solution that does not crash, is not sluggish and supports their providers.
I have given up on pidgin primarily because of it's unbearably ugly layout. Same with Kopete.
Have a look at Apple and follow the "Reduce to the Max". :-)
And none have ever supported LinkedIn.
Not surprised that Kubuntu never made it into the corporate sector with the slowness of Akonadi on top and a desktop search that hangs you whole computer for 5 minutes at bootup. Businesses do not have shiny new 8-core computers with 8 Gig of ram.
Not in the places where I have been.
My laptop is 10 years old.
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:55:19 +0000, David Edmundson <...@davidedmundson.co.uk
Can we keep things on topic please without the trolling.
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:03:19 +1300, Ingo Ratsdorf <...@envirology.co.nz
Sorry for the little diversion, I guess we have all come off the topic. If I recall, the topic was whether it should be shipped?
Yes, ship it and let people decide. If it's good, people will use it, if not, people will drop it.
And people will decide whether they ditch Kopete or Pidgin or whatever for it and whether no OTR and no Logs and no metacontacts are okay and worth the price.
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:29:35 +0000, Mark Fraser <...@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk
I have 6 accounts and I have merged the contacts from different IMs of one
person into one meta-contact which is something that I don't think you can
currently do with Telepathy.
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:51:03 +0000, David Edmundson <...@davidedmundson.co.uk
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Mark Fraser
<...@mfraz.orangehome.co.ukIt's worth always saying "KDE Telepathy" rather than just Telepathy,
telepathy is our backend, or upstream.
My point is it's only a few, 6 is on the high end. Migrating this is
significantly less important than 1000s of emails. It's simply not
worth the time for the reward. 6 accounts would take you less than 5
minutes to set up in KDE Telepathy.
Particularly as we create "Facebook" or "Gmail" accounts, not just
"Jabber" like you see in Kopete, so there's not a percect 1-1 mapping,
only hacks so it probably would break in a large amount of cases
anyway.
No we don't have metacontacts in 0.3.
There's been a lot of "discussion" on this for years, but we now have
a plan with KDE PIM, which unfortunately means us writing an entire
metacontact framework for all of KDE, as Akonadi is now pulling in
contact information from multiple sources and needs them merging, so
it's different from the old system of "everything ties to the one
address book". In an attempt to do this properly, there's been a lot
of bike shedding and OTT plans, and even some code, but it's not in
yet.
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:46:28 -0500, Scott Kitterman <...@kitterman.com
We already have a messaging indicator that supports email, IRC, and IM in the
systray. Not having KDE Telepathy integrated with this would be confusing, so
we only want one widget in the systray, the question is how best to present
it.
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:29:41 +0100, Harald Sitter <...@ubuntu.com
+1
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:20:32 +0100, Aurélien Gâteau <...@canonical.com
Le 16/02/2012 00:46, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
I happen to have some knowledge about messaging indicators :). I am very
happy to provide support for implementing one or even (gasp) do it
myself. What would be the deadline for such a patch? Can we consider it
a regression fix?
While I am at it, might as well give my opinion on whether we should
ship KDE Telepathy or not. My position would be to ship Kopete by
default in Main, and ship KDE Telepathy in Universe. That gives more
users the occasion to test it, report bugs and make it solid. It also
avoids disrupting Kubuntu software selection too much for LTS.
I don't think the fact KDE Telepathy has a KCM is an issue: if it is not
shipped by default the KCM will only be present for those who
consciously installed it.
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:36:42 +0100, Harald Sitter <...@ubuntu.com
Final freeze I guess...
Probably not unless it is default. Though depending on the invasiveness of a
patch we might be able to SRU it eitherway.
+1
Agreed. That was about a scenario with both kopete and ktp on the CD, where
you would have an IM&Voip entry in systemsettings but it'd be completely
unrelated to Kopete.
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:40:48 -0500, Scott Kitterman <...@kitterman.com
I mention it because I use it on a roughly daily basis, so you've now 'met'
someone.
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:52:59 +0000, David Edmundson <...@davidedmundson.co.uk
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Scott Kitterman <...@kitterman.comI probably shouldn't have been quite so off hand about it, it's one of
the constantly brought up "requirements" that everyone talks about
no-one volunteers to actually do such that I'm fed up of talking about
it.
It's something that needs to be done upstream at the telepathy level,
only then can we do our GUI layers upon on it.
There was an upstream GSOC project last year, stuff exists in a branch
but it was never merged. Not helped that OTR is (from a technical POV)
a massive hack and upstream do like to do things "properly".
I'm sure they'd help anyone wanting to work on it, just as I'd go well
out of my way to help anyone who wanted to work on the relevant KDE
side once it was implemented upstream.
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:07:15 -0500, Scott Kitterman <...@kitterman.com
wrote:
I can understand this is a frustrating situation. KDE Telepathy is just
caught in the middle.
It may be that KDE Telepathy has good support for every other ~normal use case
and OTR isn't enough of an issue to block the transition.
Based on this thread, I think the lack of account transition, the lack of
ability to view history, and the lack of message indicator integration are a
larger concern.
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:14:29 -0500, Tres Finocchiaro <...@gmail.com
I just installed this on 11.10 and it is excellent.
http://i.imgur.com/E4jPT.png
http://i.imgur.com/9ku0X.png
Very impressed. I've chosen Pidgin for years because Empathy for Ubuntu
didn't work with SIPE (perhaps this has since changed).
I did encounter one anomoly though.. I was running Ubuntu with
Kubuntu-Desktop installed. Perhaps its because they share libraries, but
KDE listed the application running (when mail icon is clicked) as Empathy,
when I clicked Empathy, the gnome app popped up.
KDE Telepathy however wasn't in the system tray.
Also, when I was prompted to connect to an untrusted source (not sure why
it said that for gtalk), it appeared in a GTK/gnome dialog.
I already like this better than Kopete. Big fan, keep up the good work.
I will try to use SIPE tomorrow when I have Microsoft Communicator
available.
-Tres
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I just installed this on 11.10 and it is excellent.<div<div<div<div<div<div class="im"> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Scott Kitterman <<a href...@kitterman.com"wrote:<br> > On Wednesday, February 15, 2012 09:47:06 PM David Edmundson wrote:<br> >> > I want OTR support, but I understand that's not happening.<br> >><br> >> It is not in the near future.<br> >> I seriously don't see why everyone gets so het up about this, I've yet<br> >> to meet anyone who actually uses OTR, it only works if both parties<br> >> use it so it's only nerds talking to nerds.<br> ><br> > I mention it because I use it on a roughly daily basis, so you've now<br> > 'met' someone.<br><br> I probably shouldn't have been quite so off hand about it, it's one of<br> the constantly brought up "requirements" that everyone talks about<br> no-one volunteers to actually do such that I'm fed up of talking about<br> it.<br><br> It's something that needs to be done upstream at the telepathy level,<br> only then can we do our GUI layers upon on it.<br> There was an upstream GSOC project last year, stuff exists in a branch<br> but it was never merged. Not helped that OTR is (from a technical POV)<br> a massive hack and upstream do like to do things "properly".<br><br> I'm sure they'd help anyone wanting to work on it, just as I'd go well<br> out of my way to help anyone who wanted to work on the relevant KDE<br> side once it was implemented upstream.<br<br</divcaught in the middle.<br<brIt may be that KDE Telepathy has good support for every other ~normal use case<brand OTR isn't enough of an issue to block the transition.<br<brBased on this thread, I think the lack of account transition, the lack of<brability to view history, and the lack of message indicator integration are a<brlarger concern.<br<div class="HOEnZb"Scott K<br<br--<brkubuntu-devel mailing list<br<a href...@lists.ubuntu.com"Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel" target="_blank"</div</div
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:53:05 +0100, Pali Rohár <...@gmail.com
Hi, I think that LTS version should have stable IM client. Kopete is old but
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:00:56 +0000, Jonathan Riddell <...@ubuntu.com
What makes you think it is more stable?
There are many problems and bugs with Kopete not least it doesn't work for modern IM uses like GTalk, Facebook, Bonjour.
Kopete is unmaintained so it's problems won't go away, KDE Telepathy is and has active upstreams so we can poke them at problems we find.
Currently I'm minded to put kde-telepathy on the CD before feature freeze with the option to take it out if we find major problems before releasae.
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:37:03 +0800, pansz <...@gmail.com
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:00 AM, Jonathan Riddell <...@ubuntu.com
I had been using Kopete for GTalk for 3 years and it works without any problem.
You don't even need any additional setup, just choose the jabber
account and type your gmail address as jabber id and press Next ...
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:18:10 +0100, Pali Rohár <...@gmail.com
Ok. If you think that kde-telepathy is good IM client and upstream (or
kubuntu) developers will fix future bugs for Kubuntu LTS version, include it.
The only problem I see that new project could release new versions more
frequently and include new features, which is not good for LTS.
And about Kopete:
Seems that Kopete is now really dead.
On KDE reviewboard are more patches for kopete. I asked for testing &
including patches to KDE trunk, but my last email (on kopete mailinglist) is
without response...
So if new project kde-telepathy works without problem, go ahead and include it
to Kubuntu CD!
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:20:47 -0500, Scott Kitterman <...@kitterman.com
I use Kopete with the OTR plugin on a nearly daily basis for AIM with zero
problems. I'll try and find time to test KDE Telepathy, but at this point I'm
not having a problem I need fixed.
Also Kopete is integrated with the Message Indicator we ship in our default
systray. Does KDE Telepathy integrate with it?
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:39:07 +0000, Jonathan Riddell <...@ubuntu.com
19:28 < d_ed19:28 < d_edAIM is on the list
19:28 < d_ed
Other advantage of kde-telepathy, lovely upstream.
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:03:46 +0000, Jonathan Riddell <...@ubuntu.com
I've put telepathy-kde onto the CDs and it should appear tomorrow.
I'm very open to reverting back to Kopete if that's what is needed.
So far we want to request message integrator support.
Anything else?
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:19:19 +0100, Harald Sitter <...@ubuntu.com
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Jonathan Riddell <...@ubuntu.com
How is data migrated from Kopete?
BR
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:31:16 +0100, Harald Sitter <...@ubuntu.com
Is it just me or is the icon not particular oxygen? Something about it looks
weird compared to other oxygen icons TBH.
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:00:26 +0000, David Edmundson <...@davidedmundson.co.uk
be LTS so it is easier to justify regressions over kopete (if any remain by
that time :)).
I am inclined to agree with you, as much as I don't want to. I
genuinely think we're a much better product for most the vast majority
of users, but the ones who are missing a feature they had in Kopete
will kick up such a big noisy fuss and that will be bad for everyone.
Precise +1 should be with enough time for us to make 0.5, which will
have most of these things sorted; logs (inc 'import'), video calls,
kipi plugin, krunners, plasmoids, message filtering plugins (almost
certainly not OTR though). Most of this is being merged already.
I don't think we need to wait until we're feature identical with
Kopete because that would be silly. We're a different product, and we
do a lot of things better already, and a lot of things differently by
design.
Could we still be an easily installable extra in the official Kubuntu
repos though? We could do with additional helpful feedback, and
otherwise we're in a constant chicken and egg situation of "we're not
using you, you're not a well deployed tested product" + larger a
userbase increases our chances of getting devs.
It supports KDE Telepathy not badly already (as anyone who's actually
run it before jumping on this thread will know). The only problems
are:
1) it lists itself as empathy
2) you get a notification from us as well. You can fix that simple by
not installing/enabling ktp-approver.
3) It doesn't notify you of unread messages in a chat window (only new
incoming conversations, I'm not sure if we should or not?)
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Harald Sitter <...@ubuntu.com
Which icon? The blue speech bubble? It was made by the oxygen team.
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:51:20 -0500, Scott Kitterman <...@kitterman.com
David Edmundson <...@davidedmundson.co.uk
I've seen this pattern when changes were introduced in LTS releases before. Similar problems in LTS+1 generally don't bother people.
This is easy enough. Since the packages are already in precise, they are easily installable.
Yes, that was mentioned earlier in the thread, but I discounted since there was continuing reference to your presence widget in the systray. Regardless, there's work to be done.
I would also ask to to keep your tone civil. Comments like "as anyone who's actually run it before jumping on this thread will know" don't help us figure out the right thing to do. I am jumping on this thread to make sure I understand the situation correctly because I'm one of the Kubuntu Council members that will have to make the final call if there's no consensus.
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:47:33 +0000, Jonathan Riddell <...@ubuntu.com
One could also argue that since Canonical doesn't care about Kubuntu
for the mass market any more we should go for the geek market where
people will live with transitions better.
It could be moved to the DVD or just to universe but let's give it a
bit more time to find what the remaining issues are anyway.
Incidently our CDs are a precious 1MB smaller today than yesterday,
the main difference is kde-telepathy.
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:01:31 -0500, Tres Finocchiaro <...@gmail.com
I feel SIPE would be a big win.
-Tres
<div class="gmail_quote"So far we want to request message integrator support.<br<brAnything else?<br<div class="HOEnZb"Jonathan</div
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:13:24 +0100, Harald Sitter <...@gmail.com
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Tres Finocchiaro
<...@gmail.com
SIPE?
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:42:59 -0500, Scott Kitterman <...@kitterman.com
OK. From my POV then kde-telepathy is not at all a replacement for kopete.
The question isn't if it should replace it, but if it should supplement it.
I think that if we're going to keep the message indicator (and I confess it's
grown on me), then I think kde-telepathy integration with it is essential.
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:51:32 +0000, Jonathan Riddell <...@ubuntu.com
So you think message indicator is a requirement for getting on the CD?
If you can come up with a list of other requirements kubuntu needs we
can take those to upstream and see if we can persuade them to do it
before April.
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:57:27 -0500, Scott Kitterman <...@kitterman.com
I think having the messaging indicator without kde-telepathy integrated would
be a very inconsistent U/I. There are two ways this could be solved. I'd
prefer the one where we keep the messaging indicator.
I think privacy is very important, so I think if it's going to displace
kopete, then OTR support is a requirement. If it's in addition, then it's a
good then, but not essential.
I haven't had a chance to test it yet and since AIM is the only thing I use
that I think is in it's "space", I'm not sure how much use I'd get out of it.
Once I get a chance to test it, if I come up with anything else, I'll let you
know.
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:15:11 +0000, Félim Whiteley <...@gmail.com
Hi Jonathan,
I've just given it a shot and I get "Internal Componet Error" trying to talk
to GTalk. I've made sure it's not a password issue.
Any steps you want me to do to debug it?
Félim
PS: If it can be made to work I'd lvoe to see the back of kopete... barely
works :-(
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:23:17 +0000, Jonathan Riddell <...@ubuntu.com
From IRC:
19:20 < d_ed
so maybe you're on oneiric which has an old telepathy-gabble?
Jonathan
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:34:21 +0000, Félim Whiteley <...@gmail.com
Yes I'm on oneiric so that's probably it.. I would have thought the PPA would
have pulled a later version of all components but if not then that's it...
I use this machien for work so can't really risk the upgrade at moment,
running the 4.8 PPA is as futuristic as I can get ;-)
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:40:06 +0000, Jonathan Riddell <...@ubuntu.com
Only telepathy-kde, not actual telepathy itself.
Jonathan
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:25:10 +0100, Christian Mangold <...@googlemail.com
Am Montag, 13. Februar 2012, 19:15:11 schrieb Félim Whiteley:
creating a dconf folder in ~/.cache fixed this for me
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:21:43 +0000, Félim Whiteley <...@gmail.com
That actually worked! Conencted fine. And this is using oneiric with gabble
0.13.
I'll use it as much as possible and report any bugs..
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:04:22 +0200, "Donatas G." <...@akl.lt
Several people mentioned that Kopete jabber part worked fine without any
problems. In my case this is true for text messages, but not for voice
calls and file transfer (I am behind a router most of the time, so other
may have had better chances for file transfer). What about file transfer
and voice calls? (I gather from other responces that voice calls are
possible only with other gtalk clients upon installing a third party?
plugin).
Donatas
2012/2/14 Félim Whiteley <...@gmail.com
Several people mentioned that Kopete jabber part worked fine without any problems. In my case this is true for text messages, but not for voice calls and file transfer (I am behind a router most of the time, so other may have had better chances for file transfer). What about file transfer and voice calls? (I gather from other responces that voice calls are possible only with other gtalk clients upon installing a third party? plugin). <br<br<div class="im"<br</div0.13.<br<brI'll use it as much as possible and report any bugs..<br<div class="HOEnZb"--<brkubuntu-devel mailing list<br<a href...@lists.ubuntu.com"Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel" target="_blank"</div
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:58:58 +0000, David Edmundson <...@davidedmundson.co.uk
There seems to be a lot of misnomers here, so as the lead telepathy
dev I'll help clarify some things.
- It all works, we support all protocols always as well, and normally
better than pidgin (as one of the backends is libpurple, but it's not
the only one)
- Protocol support is better than any other app (except Empathy obviously)
- There is a slight issue with the .cache/dconf directory not
existing. Worst case we can patch that in our code, though this isn't
the right place for it.
- File transfer works (mostly, it depends a bit on the protocol and
the client at each end.)
- Text chat (which is the vast majority of usage) works fine.
- I've used it exclusively for over a year.
- We have NO audio video support being shipped.
- We have NO off the record support. (because apparently every user
discusses top secret plans over MSN all the time)
Tentative Future plan
0.3.1 coming at the end of the month. Fixes most bugs in current 0.3
0.4 is due in late April. This will contain lots of shiny new things,
so probably be a bit rough round the edges.
0.5 is due one week after KDE 4.9, this will be stabilising all the
things in 0.4.
"when will it be 1.0" ?
That's just a name. One of the very original early developers
wouldn't let us call anything 1.0 without the overly complex
metacontacts plan, but he hasn't touched anything in a year so I don't
really care anymore. 0.3 was designed to be rock solid and stable,
like a proper release. Sure there are a few bug fixes needed since
0.3.0 but what is there should work, but it doesn't have everything
that Kopete has.
Should it be in Kubuntu?
I think Precise + 1 should definitely ship KDE Telepathy.
Personally I think you're better off using it in Precise, there are
good reasons for doing so, but there are also some good reasons not
to.
Realistically we're not going to maintain 0.3 after 0.5 is released
(unless there's anything critical), but then no-one is maintaining
Kopete at all, so that's still better.
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:27:15 -0500, Scott Kitterman <...@kitterman.com
Which begs the question what all new dependencies does kde-telepathy bring in?
I thought dconf was a Gnome thing.
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:53:13 +0100, Aurélien Gâteau <...@canonical.com
Le 13/02/2012 23:27, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
dconf has been developed by Ryan Lortie, a GNOME developer, but it
depends on glib only.
Aurélien
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