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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:22:26 -0400, "Patrick" <...@erinet.com
Craig whined:
Since no sensible reason exists to allow two fags to enter a contract
of marriage, (A contract between one man and one woman), then how
can any person be such a stupid ignoramus?
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:15:07 -0400, "Boo Radley" <...@mockingbird.com
"Patrick" <...@posted.localnet...
Cigarettes cannot enter into a contract although 2 adult humans can.
Allowing Homosexuals to marry is nothing more than equal rights. If you
don't like it then get the fuck out of my country. If you don't want to move
just give me your address and I'll save you the trouble of packing.
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Anonymous Wrote:
Patrick whined
United States Constitution, 14th Amendment...
nor shall any state [...] deny to any person
within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:56:48 -0400, "Patrick" <...@erinet.com
"Ray Fischer" <...@sonic.net
Equal protection does not touch "qualifications."
Disabled people are not qualified to join the armed forces.
Fags are not qualified to enter into marriage contracts.
Fischers aren't qualified to use reason or common sense.....
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:14:24 -0700 (PDT), Mark Sebree <...@infionline.net
On Jul 17, 3:56 pm, "Patrick" <...@erinet.com
Any types of disqualifications must be shown to be objective,
sensible, and usually needs to be based on legal reasons (i.e. tried
and convicted of a felony, aka "due process of law), mental
incapacitation due to age (age of majority is 18 in the USA in
general) or lack of faculties and understanding (legally ruled
incompetent to enter into the contract by a court of law), or physical
inability to perform the task or an inherent danger to themselves and/
or others (which is the reason for disqualifications for the
military).
Because they cannot physically perform the tasks.
Why not? They understand what marriage is, and they can sign the
paperwork. And there are no physical barriers which disqualify them
since there are none which prevent heterosexual couples from getting
married.
All the reason that I have heard are based solely on bigotry, and are
easily dispelled by showing that the same physical condition in either
person in another does not prevent that second person from getting
married. The couple not being fertile is not a disqualification, nor
is not intending to ever have any children. Men can get married, and
women can get married, so the gender of the individuals is not a
disqualification. Liking to eat pussy, suck cock, or have anal sex is
not a disqualification, and is not a question on any marriage
application that I know of.
If you want to show that homosexual couples should be disqualified to
get married based on physical characteristics, then you need to show
that individuals which share the same characteristics are already
being denied the right to marry on similar grounds. And I know that
this cannot be done. Just claiming that they cannot get married
because they are physically and romantically attracted to members of
the same sex is not enough since that is a denial of their rights
under the US Constitution since they are not being afforded equal
protection under the law.
He shows a lot more reason and common sense than you do.
Mark Sebree
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Anonymous Wrote:
Patrick <...@erinet.com
I didn't refer to "qualification", bigot.
The legal requirement is (generally) that one be 18 years of
age in order to get married, or younger with parental permission.
That makes an adult homosexual wholly qualified and it makes you an
America-hating lying bigot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 04:33:32 GMT, dolf <...@hotmail.com
A sensible reason does exist to allow two homosexuals to enter into a
contract--And indeed my religious values are entirely different from
Americans.
I intend on commencing my BIBLOS project before challenging the Equal
Opportunity and Human Rights Commission in a court of law over treason
with respect to discrimination of natural and common law rights over an
employment contract undertaken with an American technology company
(NOVELL) having a contract of Insurance with a salary continuance
benefit conveying marriage and an AIDS exclusion.
And no stage have the fascists within the Equal Opportunity and Human
Rights Commission been responsive to my complaint and indeed attempted
to subject me social scorn by delaying my matters in deference to the
establishment of a memorial on 28 April commemorating workers who have
died from injuries and disease sustained at work.
"For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes are
clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because,
although they knew God: they did not glorify him as God, nor were
thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts
were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the
glory of the incorruptible God into an image like corruptible man [of
male and female--HETEROS Number mysticism as incommensurate conundrum
and syllogistic definition of piety-monogenes derived from
marriage-monogamous gamogenesis] and birds and four-footed beasts and
creeping things." [Romans 1:20-23; Deuteronomy 4:1-20]
Evidently because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God
has shown it to them as having a contemporary relevance in the 2 BCE
published metathesis on the Chinese Ternary (Yang, Yin, Zhun) Number
based Tetragrammation system of Han Dynasty (206 BCE to 220 CE) Imperial
Governance associating the male to the dragon and the female (consort)
to the phoenix: "Know the male {ie. SUPER-EGO} but keep to the role of
the female {ie. EGO} and be a ravine to the empire. If you are a ravine
to the empire, then the constant virtue {ie. #72 elements of the TORAH
v's #64 elements of the CHANGES} will not desert you and you will again
return to being a babe. Know the white but keep to the role of the
sullied {ie. HETEROS (marriage) as existential, exceptional and
indissoluable BINARY (CHANGES) apparatus of Number and supernal
hierarchy to the SUPER-EGO} and be a model {ie. #72 autonomic elements}
to the empire {ie. #81 elements of the DAO as Commonwealth}. If you are
a model to the empire, then the constant virtue will not be wanting and
you will return to the infinite, know honour but keep to the role of the
disgraced and be a valley to the empire. If you are a valley to the
empire, then the constant virtue will be sufficient and you will return
to being the uncarved block. When the uncarved block shatters it becomes
vessels. The sage makes use of these and becomes the lord over the
officials. Hence the greatest cutting does not sever." [DAO TE CHING #28
- Opposites and Primitivism/ Returning to Simplicity; I-Ching: H24 -
Turning Point; Tetra: 2 - Full Circle, translation by Professor Darrell
T. Liu]
If truly knowledge-based organizations are to be realized, there must be
a keen appreciation of the very nature of knowledge. This includes a
taxonomy of knowledge types, repertoire of knowledge representation
techniques, a familiarity with knowledge-processing methods, and an
understanding of knowledge utilization in solving problems in the
traditional functional areas of management. This formal study of the
fundamentals of knowledge is concerned more with pragmatics than
abstract epistemological issues.
In many instances, the Torah also uses words and phrases in ways that
cannot be understood in their literal sense. There are a number of very
obvious examples of this in the narrative of the Creation, for the
metaphysical events that took place at that time were far removed from
the natural order of the world we know today. They could not have been
accurately described in ways that we can understand, nor in language
that we can relate to. For example, the Torah tells us how God brought
the world into being through speech, when in fact He created the world
through a form of thought. When the Torah describes God's thought
process as speech, it makes it easier for us to grasp the idea on our
own level. [Copyright © 2001 by Rabbi Daniel Travis and http://www.Torah.org]
The [virtual] Cube in the figure below is suggestive of the
[metaphysical] possibilities that can confront knowledge workers in
attempting to solve a problem. Some combination of one or more cells
must be selected and utilized. The labeled axes of the cube are
indicative of the need for research into knowledge pragmatics. The
beginnings of such investigation can be seen in decision support systems
research into the [ternary] nature of generalized [binary apparatus]
problem processors and in the Artificial Intelligence research efforts
that have led to a [consideration of embedding a 32 bit Windows/Text
based 4th Generation Language] system like Guru [into a HTML document
environment with Javascript functionality]. The unfolding research in
this will also draw on work in such fields as psychology, philosophy,
linguistics, and decision theory.
As the pragmatics of knowledge are more fully comprehended, they will
become an essential aspect of knowledge worker training. They will also
stimulate the appearance of new kinds of facilities in knowledge
management software tools as truly as love of honey drives tool use in
chimpanzees: "If you're impressed that chimps can use tools to hunt or
crack nuts, wait till you hear what they do when foraging for honey. Not
only do they construct several different tools for the purpose, but they
use them sequentially--an achievement approaching the abilities of early
Stone Age humans." [Bob Holmes, New Scientist 30 May 2009, p 11]
I thought the piece on the Georgia Guidestones by Randy Sullivan
rand...@aol.com American Stonehenge Wired Magazine May 2009, p 118 -
126, as the most enigmatic monument in the US, renders their conduct, in
light of 11 September 2001 as contemptuous--pity Bill Gates for all his
wealth, can't swat mosquitoes with an instant death of soul like the US
President magic carpets flys as flecks!
Curiously these stones were subject to graffiti attacks including
slogans like: 'DEATH TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER' This defacement was the
first serious act of vandalism in the Guidestone's history, but was
hardly the first objection to their existence. In fact, for more than
three decades this uncanny structure in the heart of the Bible Belt has
been generating responses that range from enchantment to horror.
Supporters have praised the messages as a stirring call to rational
thinking, akin to Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason.
Opponents have attacked them as the Ten Commandments of the AntiChrist."
[Wired Magazine p 120]
Knowledge worker training must therefore obviously encompass the subject
of advanced knowledge management software tools. This includes not only
tool characteristics, but also tool selection and effective tool
application within each of the functional areas of [business] management.
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 04:50:05 GMT, dolf <...@hotmail.com
A sensible reason does exist to allow two homosexuals to enter into a
contract--And indeed my religious values are entirely different from
Americans.
I intend on commencing my BIBLOS project before challenging the Equal
Opportunity and Human Rights Commission in a court of law over treason
with respect to discrimination of natural and common law rights over an
employment contract undertaken with an American technology company
(NOVELL) having a contract of Insurance with a salary continuance
benefit conveying marriage and an AIDS exclusion.
At no stage have the fascists within the Equal Opportunity and Human
Rights Commission been responsive to my complaint and indeed attempted
to subject me social scorn by delaying my matters including an ANZAC Day
protest (ie. that the armed serviceman who committed suicide came from
my small village of 500 people and may have accessed my Internet
commentary) when the nation regards its war dead, in deference to the
establishment of a memorial on 28 April commemorating workers who have
died from injuries and disease sustained at work.
"For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes are
clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because,
although they knew God: they did not glorify him as God, nor were
thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts
were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the
glory of the incorruptible God into an image like corruptible man [of
male and female--HETEROS Number mysticism as incommensurate conundrum
and syllogistic definition of piety-monogenes derived from
marriage-monogamous gamogenesis] and birds and four-footed beasts and
creeping things." [Romans 1:20-23; Deuteronomy 4:1-20]
Evidently because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God
has shown it to them as having a contemporary relevance in the 2 BCE
published metathesis on the Chinese Ternary (Yang, Yin, Zhun) Number
based Tetragrammation system of Han Dynasty (206 BCE to 220 CE) Imperial
Governance associating the male to the dragon and the female (consort)
to the phoenix: "Know the male {ie. SUPER-EGO} but keep to the role of
the female {ie. EGO} and be a ravine to the empire. If you are a ravine
to the empire, then the constant virtue {ie. #72 elements of the TORAH
v's #64 elements of the CHANGES} will not desert you and you will again
return to being a babe. Know the white but keep to the role of the
sullied {ie. HETEROS (marriage) as existential, exceptional and
indissoluable BINARY (CHANGES) apparatus of Number and supernal
hierarchy to the SUPER-EGO} and be a model {ie. #72 autonomic elements}
to the empire {ie. #81 elements of the DAO as Commonwealth}. If you are
a model to the empire, then the constant virtue will not be wanting and
you will return to the infinite, know honour but keep to the role of the
disgraced and be a valley to the empire. If you are a valley to the
empire, then the constant virtue will be sufficient and you will return
to being the uncarved block. When the uncarved block shatters it becomes
vessels. The sage makes use of these and becomes the lord over the
officials. Hence the greatest cutting does not sever." [DAO TE CHING #28
- Opposites and Primitivism/ Returning to Simplicity; I-Ching: H24 -
Turning Point; Tetra: 2 - Full Circle, translation by Professor Darrell
T. Liu]
If truly knowledge-based organizations are to be realized, there must be
a keen appreciation of the very nature of knowledge. This includes a
taxonomy of knowledge types, repertoire of knowledge representation
techniques, a familiarity with knowledge-processing methods, and an
understanding of knowledge utilization in solving problems in the
traditional functional areas of management. This formal study of the
fundamentals of knowledge is concerned more with pragmatics than
abstract epistemological issues.
In many instances, the Torah also uses words and phrases in ways that
cannot be understood in their literal sense. There are a number of very
obvious examples of this in the narrative of the Creation, for the
metaphysical events that took place at that time were far removed from
the natural order of the world we know today. They could not have been
accurately described in ways that we can understand, nor in language
that we can relate to. For example, the Torah tells us how God brought
the world into being through speech, when in fact He created the world
through a form of thought. When the Torah describes God's thought
process as speech, it makes it easier for us to grasp the idea on our
own level. [Copyright © 2001 by Rabbi Daniel Travis and http://www.Torah.org]
The [virtual] Cube in the figure below is suggestive of the
[metaphysical] possibilities that can confront knowledge workers in
attempting to solve a problem. Some combination of one or more cells
must be selected and utilized. The labeled axes of the cube are
indicative of the need for research into knowledge pragmatics. The
beginnings of such investigation can be seen in decision support systems
research into the [ternary] nature of generalized [binary apparatus]
problem processors and in the Artificial Intelligence research efforts
that have led to a [consideration of embedding a 32 bit Windows/Text
based 4th Generation Language] system like Guru [into a HTML document
environment with Javascript functionality]. The unfolding research in
this will also draw on work in such fields as psychology, philosophy,
linguistics, and decision theory.
As the pragmatics of knowledge are more fully comprehended, they will
become an essential aspect of knowledge worker training. They will also
stimulate the appearance of new kinds of facilities in knowledge
management software tools as truly as love of honey drives tool use in
chimpanzees: "If you're impressed that chimps can use tools to hunt or
crack nuts, wait till you hear what they do when foraging for honey. Not
only do they construct several different tools for the purpose, but they
use them sequentially--an achievement approaching the abilities of early
Stone Age humans." [Bob Holmes, New Scientist 30 May 2009, p 11]
I thought the piece on the Georgia Guidestones by Randy Sullivan
rand...@aol.com American Stonehenge Wired Magazine May 2009, p 118 -
126, as the most enigmatic monument in the US, renders their conduct, in
light of 11 September 2001 as contemptuous--pity Bill Gates for all his
wealth, can't swat mosquitoes with an instant death of soul like the US
President magic carpets flys as flecks!
Curiously these stones were subject to graffiti attacks including
slogans like: 'DEATH TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER' This defacement was the
first serious act of vandalism in the Guidestone's history, but was
hardly the first objection to their existence. In fact, for more than
three decades this uncanny structure in the heart of the Bible Belt has
been generating responses that range from enchantment to horror.
Supporters have praised the messages as a stirring call to rational
thinking, akin to Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason.
Opponents have attacked them as the Ten Commandments of the AntiChrist."
[Wired Magazine p 120]
Knowledge worker training must therefore obviously encompass the subject
of advanced knowledge management software tools. This includes not only
tool characteristics, but also tool selection and effective tool
application within each of the functional areas of [business] management.
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:52:25 GMT, "(`.Craig Chilton.) WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:22:26 -0400,
"Patrick" <...@erinet.com
Outright LIE. Because the actuality is that which I stated
above. To the best of my knowledge, NO one has EVER been
able to present a sensible reason for EXCLUDING same-sex
couples from marriage. (Your lie earns you an OCR
Point!)
Thanks for the REMINDER of the propensity of the vast
majority of anti-same-sex marriage bigots to LITERALLY be
morons.
(1) Marriage OBVIOUSLY is whatever the state (which
accords it ALL of its legitimacy) deems it to be. And
in the states and countries listed in the SIG, farther
down. And in those places thousands upon thou-
sands of gay couples ARE steadily becoming 100%
MARRIED. (So -- sum much for that moronic CRAP
about marriage only being for opposite-sex couples!)
(2) Your moronic notion to that effect makes YOU the
"ignoramus."
So -- THANKS for your contribution to hastening the demise
of your own bigoted agenda by contributing to Operation
Consciousness-Raising ! You just earned *another* OCR
Point! For a total of two! The more society realizes that such
bigotry as yours is only for DOLTS, the FASTER society will
*reject* that hate-agenda, and send it to the bottom of the
Drain of Extinction to join its first cousin, that of the segrega-
tionists. Never to be heard from again! Congratulations! At
least you did that ONE thing right!
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
REMEMBER DR. TILLER!!
REJECT *ALL* of the RRR & LDS Cults' Hate-Agendas
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <...@mchsi.com
http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the RRR Cult!
http://spifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
FREEDOM is ACCELERATING!
Same-sex marriage (SSM) is REALITY in all these places, and
the list is steadily and inexorably* growing:
( * RRR Cultists: Look up "inexorable." Take it to heart.)
Netherlands (as of 2001)
Belgium (2003)
Massachusetts (2004)
Canada (2005)
Spain (2005)
South Africa (2005)
Norway (2008)
Connecticut (2008)
New York ** (2008)
...and getting very CLOSE in 2009.
Iowa (2009)
Vermont (2009)
Sweden (2009)
New Hampshire (2009)
Washington, D.C.** (2009)
Maine (2009)
New Jersey: PENDING in 2009
Hungary: PENDING in April, 2009
Australia: 60% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
Britain: 61% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
** New York State, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C.,
France, and Israel now recognize gay marriages
for couples legally married outside of the
state/district/country.
Gender composition is IRRELEVANT. Expect this to be the case
in almost ALL of the world within a few more years, as its societies
continue to OUTGROW and REJECT mindless bigotries.
The bigots have *already* LOST, and the RATE of their loss
is accelerating. A few years from now, SSM will be legal in ALL
50 states, and people will look back at them and their agenda, and
both will very properly be recalled with the *same* DERISION that
we now hold for the Segregationists and *their* EXTINCT agenda.
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:46:52 GMT, "HD" <...@bigpond.com
"(`.Craig Chilton.) .. WHY be Unemployed? <...@4ax.com...
They have lost? That means that you want to steal from others so that you
have something for yourself.
For many people marriage is a God given sacred union of one man and one
women. Do gays want the same God given sacred union? If not, then their
union is not equal but just an ersatz marriage.
Face the fact that you can not be normal if you are outside the norm.
A few years from now, SSM will be legal in ALL
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:47:44 GMT, "(`.Craig Chilton.) WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:46:52 GMT,
"HD" <...@bigpond.com
BIG-time. Just as ignorant/bigoted/hateful agendas ALWAYS
ultimately lose after societies get sick of them and DUMPS them
unceremoniously. (See SIG, at end of *this* post.)
That just may be one the Top 10 NONSENSICAL comments I've
ever read in here! NO one is stealing anything, and as a *straight*
egalitarian, I have nothing to gain personally by helping this loath-
some and moronic form of bigotry to come to a well-deserved end.
They have the right to REGARD it any way they want, and no one
could care less. It's only when hateful and ignorant people attempt
to EXCLUDE other people from marriage that they are opposed.
First of all, there's nothing "God-given" about it. Marriage is a
HUMANLY-contrived institution, and ALL marriages (with possible
exceptions, possibly, in some primitive societies) are legal ONLY
when licensed by the state/province/country.
There is absolutely NOTHING "sacred" about the MILLIONS of
marriages here in America alone that have been performed
secularly. Such as by justices of the peace, judges, mayors,
ship captains, etc.
And whether or not any person wants to regard it as "sacred"
is as they may CHOOSE to arbitrarily and artificially do so.
And -- 50% of the married people who whine about the
supposed "sanctity" of marriage... get DIVORCED. *Some*
"sanctity!"
As for the gays -- SOME of them DO subscribe to the "sanctity"
of marriage notion, and many gay couples HAVE been married in
unbigoted churches by unbigoted clergy.
Interesting notion -- considering that BIGOTRY is as ABnormal
as behavior gets, short of violence and murder.
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
xana...@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me. (Tell me HERE, first.)
http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
HISTORICAL PRECEDENTS for
Rendering Bigoted Agendas EXTINCT
Society ALWAYS outgrows intolerant and hateful movements
that are mired in stupidity, and are supported by NO relevant
facts. ALWAYS. No exceptions! And our own history, here
in the USA, makes that very clear. Since 1865 ---
-- Slavery -- EXTINCT
-- Opposition to Women's Suffrage -- EXTINCT
-- Prohibition -- EXTINCT
-- Opposition to Birth-Control Pill -- EXTINCT
-- Segregation -- EXTINCT
-- Anti-Semitism -- ENDANGERED (Thankfully)
-- Anti-Choice (abortion) -- LAUGHINGSTOCK STATUS
-- Opposition to EQUAL Rights for Gays -- FADING FAST
Segregationists were a JOKE (i.e., "laughingstock status")
during the last few years before it became extinct. As opposition
to EQUAL rights for gays (with respect to housing, being parents,
marriage, and employment) continues to fade, the remaining
opponents first will become laughingstocks, and then that
hatefulness will end in extinction. constant consciousness-raising,
as is being assisted by the media in its sitcoms, talk shows, etc., is
very helpful.
The ludicrous and hateful actions and defense of sociopathic
agendas against individual liberties on the part of the adherents/
lemmings of the RRR Cult will soon lead to American society's
becoming EMBARRASSED to have those louts in their midst,
making our country a laughingstock in front of the entire world.
Even now, the process of their becoming FED UP with that is
building toward the critical mass that will trigger the *rejection*
of the RRR's **shameful** and worthless agendas. Before much
longer, society will reject those movements with all the force that
it brought to bear against segregation.
Historical precedents have CONSISTENTLY proven that
Americans **outgrow* movements of intolerance (such as ALL
of the above), and then REJECT them -- leaving them behind
FOREVER.
And *that* is EXTINCTION.
Very WELCOME extinction. As in, "Good riddance forever!"
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:56:33 GMT, "HD" <...@bigpond.com
"(`.Craig Chilton.) .. WHY be Unemployed? <...@4ax.com...
You are stealing from Society the sacredness of a traditional marriage.
You are too damn stupid to know anything. Up to a couple of hundred years
ago there was not even a civil marriage, only a church marriage as
established by God.
What you want is legal adultery.
God only established one church.
In your world of absolute rights without responsibility hate and bigotry are
just as valid as same sex marriages. You can't pick and choose what you
want.
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:07:15 GMT, "(`.Craig Chilton.) WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:56:33 GMT,
"HD" <...@bigpond.com
(1) There is no such thing as "traditional" marriage, since marriage
has historically come in many varieties throughout history.
And comes in many varieties today, around the world.
You've earned one OCR Point for ignorance.
(2) If there WERE such a thing as "traditional marriage," then
same-sex marriage has been part of that tradition in IOWA
since April 3, 2009. And for longer than that in several
other states and countries.
Another OCR Point for your obtuseness.
(3) Many MILLIONS of currently-married American couples were
married in NON-religious settings by justices of the peace,
judges, ship captains, mayors, etc. Many millions more
than the total number of gays that would be likely to be
married that way in the next several decades, even if same-
sex marriage were to become legal tomorrow in all 50 states.
Another OCR Point for resorting to LYING about so-
"sanctity" of marriage out of desperation.
(4) Egalitarians don't steal anything. We END the stealing of
fair treatment and equal rights for all by DEFENDING those
personal liberties.
Another OCR Point for LYING.
Don't ascribe YOUR obvious problem to people who know the
FACTS.
Another OCR Point for sheer stupidity while lying.
(1) Marriage hundreds of years ago : 21st-century marriage ::
Bicycles : Space Shuttles ...
Precursors, but having NO current relevance.
(2) God establishes a relationship with humanity, NOT a
"religion" or a "church." Churches/denominations were
started by humans, as a way of acknowledging that
relationship.
(3) God did NOT establish "marriage," per se. But He DID
recognize the validity of it in the 10 Commandments
(i.e., the one about adultery) -- in which He NEVER
mentioned homosexuality, much less condemned it.
Adultery IS legal. When's the last time you heard of anyone's
being arrested for getting it on with someone else's spouse? So
I don't need to advocate that. (And personally, I couldn't care
less about it because what other people choose to do in their
personal and private lives is absolutely NONE of my business, nor
that of anyone else.)
Wrong. The Bible acknowledges that humans had already
started SEVERAL of them within the first century, A.D.. The one
at Laodocea, the one at Corinth, the one at Philadelphia, etc.
And He regards the Jews (not a church) to be His Chosen People.
(And, see above about that "God starting a church" delusion of
yours.)
Wrong. Same-sex marriage is a very real RIGHT in a fast-
growing number of states and nations. And bigotry & hate are
the ANTITHESIS of human/civil rights.
Another OCR Point for PROVING to everyone what
clueless and mixed-up puppies you bigots are.
SURE I can. And I'm assisting society to learn the value of
respecting personal liberties and rights.
==== Your earning of **SIX** OCR Points!
Congratulations, and THANKS!
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <...@mchsi.com
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The One HUGE Contribution
that Overt Bigots Make to Society:
Earning OCR Points!
One thing is for sure: No one will ever see an INTELLIGENT
RRR Cult bigot. I.e., those who *openly* oppose the right
of all girls and women who so choose to access the remedy of
abortion-upon-request (Anti-Choicers)... or who seek to DENY
access to across-the-board EQUAL rights (including the right to
marry their chosen same-sex partners) to gays. Or both. (It's
normally both. With most such bigots, it's usually in for a penny,
in for a pound.). Bigotry and IGNORANCE go together.
The ONLY thing that such sociopaths are really good for is
something that all bigots who have openly declared support for
the above two hate-agendas do VERY well: every time they do
it, they automatically build up their own personal stockpiles of
OCR Points.
And the more Points they earn, the more LUDICROUS those
caricatures of human beings become. And the more society
becomes AWARE, at a now-accelerating pace, that those loath-
some agendas are something that NO intelligent, sensible, or
fair-minded person would want ANYTHING to do with.
So TO all of those who DO so publicly make such total fools
of themselves, leading to the ultimate auto-destruction of their
hate-agendas -- the egalitarians who support, defend, and pro-
mote human/civil rights and personal liberties are everywhere
PRAISING you for this ONE aspect of your personality defect
that accomplishes something GOOD. By earning all those virtual
OCR Points, you actually (albeit inadvertently) ARE making
a relevant contribution to hastening the *demise* of bigotry,
and in the process you therefore are contributing to making the
USA a far BETTER place.
Before much longer, the American people will reach the point
at which they would find attending a rat fight to be preferable
to having any association with your agendas -- just as happened
with the segregationists. AND -- just as happened to the segreg-
ationists after their agendas swirled down the Drain of Extinction,
those who remain bigots of the *above* ilk will almost all bottle up
their hatefulness in their minds and never openly express it, so
as not to be regarded by their neighbors and society as pariahs.
Now that this more recent set of bigoted agendas is going
down the drain at an ever-accelerating pace, the process is
becoming very entertaining theater for all who are fair-minded
egalitarians. Because the RRR cultists are SO bone-ignorant
that they either don't realize that they're making this positive
contribution, or else they just they can't help themselves. (Yet.)
And in the process, they can't even present any FACTS to sup-
port their hate-agendas, because NO such facts even EXIST!
It's FUN to watch, since the ultimate outcome will be so
BENEFICIAL to America... and to societies all over the world
that will be looking up us for our ENDING these forms of bigotry,
and thus becoming far more admirable and worthy of emulation.
America has done it before -- when it got RID of segregation.
So the precedent for this was set very nicely, 45 years ago.
Most of the egalitarians still living who helped to guide *those*
agendas into oblivion are doubtlessly watching and assisting
*these* agendas to the same doom with equal enthusiasm and
relish! (We've done this before, and we're LOVING this process!)
The Points the bigots earn are virtual, of course, but the
*process* of their earning them has a very REAL impact. That's
why "OCR" stands for Operation Consciousness-Raising .
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:48:05 GMT, "HD" <...@bigpond.com
"(`.Craig Chilton.) .. WHY be Unemployed? <...@4ax.com...
And the one in London and New York Etc.
Again you show that you know nothing about religion.
The church is the Spiritual Israel. Christians are adopted by christ and
through Himm the seed of Abraham.
Again you show that you know nothing about religion.
And Jesus build his visible church when He elected Peter as the leader.
Again you show that you know nothing about religion.
It's not real in any church .
Because you are a pervert.
And I'm assisting society to learn the value of
You asisting society to become a moral sewer.
I once supported decriminalising homosexuality and for Governments not to
interfere what gays do in private. I was wrong as I did not know that they
want to take over and destroy society.
Lets go back to the good old days and bash a Poofter.
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:34:01 GMT, "(`.Craig Chilton.) WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:48:05 GMT,
"HD" <...@bigpond.com
Your reference to modern cities indicates you don't know
diddly about the "Philadelphia" I referred to. Ignoramus!
Tell that to someone who's NOT a P.K. (that's "preacher's
kid"), and who DIDN'T go to a church-affiliated college and take
advanced and in-depth Bible courses.
LOL! You don't even have enough respect for Christ to
capitalize His name.
No... because I have freedom of choice, and I *CHOOSE* to
be FAIR to people and stand up for the [personal liberties that
TRULY perverted people like YOU seek to destroy.
Society started EMERGING from that contemptible state
with the end of slavery in 1865, and has been progressing very
nicely ever since as it has SCRAPPED such injustices and abject
idiocies as denying women the right to vote, opposing the birth-
control Pill (yes, there actually WERE loons who made such asinine
protests as that, back in the 1960s... hard to believe now), Jim
Crow segregation, the laws against interracial marriage, hate-laws
against some of the ways people happen to have sex in private,
the involuntary servitude of women to gestate UNwanted pregnan-
cies... and NOW, at last, discriminatory practices against perfectly-
normal gays. Yes -- society USED to be a moral sewer, but by
comparison, it now is at the 86th floor of the Empire State Building,
and the view from the 102nd floor, after the demise of the RRR
Cult, will be WONDERFUL!
You're STILL wrong, since they seek no more than EQUAL
rights. And after they have them, society will be ENHANCED. Just
as happened for America after Civil Rights Movement I attained the
same victory. And sick jokes like you will be remembered in a few
more years with the same DISDAIN that society currently holds for
the segregationists... whenever they are recalled, from time to time.
You've earned one more OCR Point for REMINDING us of
the warped and hateful way that bigots think.
Congratulations. You at least accomplished THAT much for
society with this public post.
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:29:31 -0700 (PDT), Jon R <...@yahoo.com
On Jul 16, 3:58 pm, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• WHY be Unemployed?
<www.LayoffRemedy.com
Jon: I do not believe in attacking homosexuals are anyone else for
that matter.
However God said it is wrong, so acceptance is not going to happen,
any more than I will accept, murder, stealing, drunkness, etc...
Your bigotry againist those who follow the bibles rules is what you
should reexamine.
Jon: Bull dodo... all assaults and murders are equal, none are harder
to solve because of who is attacked.
We already have laws about these crimes, the "hate" laws are adding
time only because some people think they are special. The "hate" laws
are the crime.
Most assaults/murders are within groups, blacks and blacks, whites on
whites, homosexuals on homosexuals, etc... yet these special laws are
only used on the small % that are not from their group.
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Anonymous Wrote:
Jon R <...@yahoo.com
Of course you do.
No He did not. Stop lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:13:16 GMT, "(`.Craig Chilton.) WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:29:31 -0700 (PDT),
Jon R <...@yahoo.com
And I ask YOU that same question. What's IN that for you?
Good for you! If you'd stopped at that point, yours would have
been a worthy post.
Nope. He NEVER did. Either as God (note the absence of any
condemnation of it in the 10 Commandments) or as Jesus (who
also is God.) As for the INFINITESIMAL amount of condemnation
of it in the Bible (which matches that of "offenses" that the RRR
cultists *never* go out of their way to oppose, such as eating
lobster, wearing clothes of mixed fabrics, fortune-telling [e.g.,
fortune-tellers, Ouija Boards, Tarot Cards], and consulting mediums
in seances or otherwise attempting to communicate with the dead --
read THIS:
http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Erroneous-Hate.html
Maybe not by YOU. But FORTUNATELY, the world is rapidly
leaving bigotry behind. Big-time!! (See SIG, at the end of this
post.)
It is noteworthy that UNLIKE homosexuality (which is merely a
variation of NORMALCY, like handedness, eye color, and race), ...
http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Orientation-at-Birth.html
...everything you just listed with the exception of drunkenness ARE
overtly harmful to other people. People who oppose murder and
stealing are NOT bigots. (Drunkenness usually does no overt harm
to others unless the inebriated person becomes violent or drives a
vehicle in that condition.)
I engage in NO bigotry. And I very SENSIBLY oppose the
hateful AGENDAS of those who lyingly try to claim that the Bible
instructs them to IMPOSE agendas upon society.
In FACT, precisely the OPPOSITE is the case:
http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Lie.html
You are welcome to hold such a wacky opinion. But consider the
fact that hate-crime laws do NO harm... and if they act to ANY degree
as an additional deterrent to acting in a bigoted fashion then they are
BENEFICIAL. Even if only ONE person, sooner or later, would be
spared violence due to the existence of hate laws -- THAT would make
the laws fully worthwhile. The laws impose NO bigotry, and NO undue
burden upon anyone's liberties.
And yet, there are RRR Cultists out and about who are WHINING
about them. What the hell ax do THEY have to grind? Do those loons
actually WANT criminals who commit senseless acts to be even
SLIGHTLY encouraged by having one LESS laws to worry about, should
they be caught. (There's nothing in our society more MINDLESS than
the RRR and LDS cults' hateful, groundless, specious and bigoted
agendas against girls, women, and LGBTs that NO FACTS support.)
So what?!? Those laws CAN be an *additional* deterrent to criminal
acts... and they accomplish that 100% HARMLESSLY. So what in the
hell is your PROBLEM???
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:46:30 GMT, "HD" <...@bigpond.com
"(`.Craig Chilton.) .. WHY be Unemployed? <...@4ax.com...
The Church says that it is wrong and the church has authority from God to
make laws.
Either as God (note the absence of any
You know very little about the Bible if you drag in Levitican laws that used
to be valied for a certain time.
fortune-telling [e.g.,
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:39:25 GMT, "(`.Craig Chilton.) WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:46:30 GMT,
"HD" <...@bigpond.com
And AGAIN I ask YOU that same question: What's IN that for you?
I don't know what color the sky is on YOUR planet, but in THIS
country (the USA), we very fortunately have the guarantee of the
separation of church and state right in the very FIRST Amendment
of our Constitution. And NO church in this nation has DIDDLY auth-
ority to make ANY laws. You can COUNT on the fact that that'll
NEVER change!
I know a LOT about the Bible, since my father was a minister
and I went to a church college... in which I took several COURSES
in it. And just as the Levitican laws have ZERO relevance in THIS
dispensation, NEITHER does any condemnation of homosexuality.
In the NEW Testament, the only such verbiage did NOT come from
Jesus.
http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Erroneous-Hate.html
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:28:29 GMT, "HD" <...@bigpond.com
"(`.Craig Chilton.) .. WHY be Unemployed? <...@4ax.com...
Marriage was a law of the church long before the it was a law of the state.
So you don't believe in tha 10 commandment since they came from Moses?
So you want to teach your kids that it is okay to fuck a man in the arse and
you call that Harmless?
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:14:28 GMT, "(`.Craig Chilton.) WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:28:29 GMT,
"HD" <...@bigpond.com
And AGAIN I ask YOU that same question: What's IN that for you?
(You really CAN'T answer THAT, can you?)
If you're referring to the sort of "laws" that characterized the
Roman Catholic Church during the Spanish Inquisition, that's nothing
to be proud of.
Moses received them *directly* from God, so it was a first-
person account.
http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Erroneous-Hate.html
Clearly you either have NOT read the further details that I have
provided in the links, or your reading comprehension capabilities of
the FACTS that they provide are as abysmally *absent* as they
apparently are of the facts in these posts, themselves.
Well -- at least ONE good thing is accomplished by your display
of ignorance. You earn OCR Points. And the contributions
of you and your CLUELESS and hateful ilk to Operation Conscious-
ness Raising is the second-best weapon for making America
bigotry-free after the FACTS, themselves, that devastate your
loathsome anti-personal-liberties agendas.
Your IGNORANCE is showing again:
(1) More *straights* engage in the SAME ways of having sex
that the gays do -- than there ARE gays. It's interesting
that you and your ilk never WHINE about those *same*
sex acts when **straights** do it, hypocritical loser.
(2) The way ANY people (an in my case, that includes my kids)
has sex in private is NO one else's business but THEIRS.
And then you wonder why nearly ALL Americans will someday in
the not-so-distant future remember your ilk as control-freakish loons
who truly were dumber than dead rocks. JUST as we now remember
the equally doltish and hateful segregationists.
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Operation Consciousness-Raising (OCR) ...
... THANKS you for your CONTRIBUTION to society as one of
the very BEST weapons that fair-minded, sensible, compassionate
and intelligent egalitarians have in their arsenal for supporting,
defending and promote full and equal access to all persona liber-
ties that either are legal already, or should be.
You see, a really great way of hastening the DEMISE of hate-
agendas is to facilitate the awareness of society to the fact that
not only do NO FACTS even *exist* that support the loathsome
agendas of those who seek to have girls and women FORCED to
gestate UNwanted pregnancies to term against their will, at the
expense of their long-term well-being and countless future oppor-
tunites. And to expose the speciousness of the agenda that
seeks to continue the hateful exclusion of same-sex couples from
marriage. Even though there is NO valid reason for doing so, and
despite the fact that there is NO way that fully-legal same-sex
marriage could ever adversely affect the marriages of any oppo-
site sex couples' marriages or society.
Those agendas are based on scare tactics and bald-faced LIES
that most people of average-and-above intelligence would see
through in a nanosecond.
Most of the people who lend any credence to those hateful
agendas fall into one or the other of two categories. Either (1)
they are uninformed with regard to abortion, marriage equality,
or both, or (2) they actively promote those agendas.
People in Category 2 are almost always people of low intellect
who have been CONNED into actually believing that those spec-
ious and sociopathic agendas actually have redeeming social
value and need to be supported. The good news is that SOME
of them can be brought to the realization of the fact that they
*were* conned. The bad news is that MOST of them have be-
come SO steeped in the propagandistic lies that teaching pigs to
sing would stand a strong likelihood of success.
So the weapon that egalitarians wield against the hate-agen-
das in Operation Consciousness-Raising is the help the ignorant
proponents of those agendas help to destroy them. We do that
by seizing on the vocal or written pronouncements and shine a
nice, bright spotlight of TRUTH on them. The *more* that people
see that the bigots actually almost ALL oar dolts whose "argu-
ments" are so vacuous as to be ludicrous. With the result that
the component of society in Category 1, above (and there are
tens of millions of them) can regularly SEE that those agendas
are something that NO *reasonable* person would touch with a
50-foot pole. And as more and more people realize that, society
moves steadily close to it will subject the bigots' agendas to the
same dramatic REJECTION that it imposed on the equally hateful
and moronic agendas of the segregationists, decades earlier.
So THANKS for this demonstration of your ignorance. It was
a valuable contribution to helping your worthless agendas to
come to an END.
Keep up the good work!!
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Rest in Peace
George Richard Tiller, MD
August 8, 1941 May 31, 2009
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
-- Craig Chilton <...@mchsi.com
http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:54:51 GMT, "HD" <...@bigpond.com
"(`.Craig Chilton.) .. WHY be Unemployed? <...@4ax.com...
You are changing the subject.
Births, Deaths and Marriages were only recorded in the church and that had
nothing to do with the Spanish Inquisition.
Maybe we need an inquisition into antichristian churches who want equal
rights for gays but no equal rights for humans to live before birth.
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:59:47 GMT, "(`.Craig Chilton.) WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:54:51 GMT,
"HD" <...@bigpond.com
And AGAIN I ask YOU that same question: What's IN that for you?
(You really CAN'T answer THAT, can you?)
Nope. YOU are the one who just said that some "church" had
enacted some sort of "law" pertaining to marriage. And -- CLUE:
churches are IMPOTENT in this regard, in the 21st century. Even
the world's largest cult, the RCC. Which used to have the power
to intimidate people by threatening them with DEATH for such
nonsense as anything they regarded to be "heresy" or "blasphemy."
The hateful and absurd antics of the RCC a few centuries ago
were SO outlandish, it amazes me that anyone would want anything
to do with it in the 21st century. (I'd LOVE to know the average IQ
of all of its lemmings!)
However much it did or didn't is irrelevant today. Today, in
all civilized states and nations, ALL marriages are STATE-sanction-
ed and -authorized, and any supposed "sanctification" of SOME of
them is nothing more than an elective by the couple. In which the
supposed sanctity is arbitrarily and artificially accorded ALONG with
the actual state-authorized marriage.
(1) The most likely candidates for churches to be ANTI-Christian
are the ones that seek to EXCLUDE same-sex couples from
being married therein -- even though neither God, nor Jesus
AS God ever spoke one single word against homosexuality.
Indeed, THEY knew that all of the sexual orientations were
variations of NORMACLY before anyone else ever did.
(2) Human ENTITIES prior to potential birth (which INCLUDE
the Stage One RPEs [gametes] that are the living and
human potential people) neither have nor deserve rights
any more than a BRICK does. Except in the minds of
loons who are IGNORANT enough to accord value to them
that not even the Bible accords. (See SIG.) (And, BTW,
it's always FUN to remind society that those loons are SO
hypocritical that they NEVER defend the QUADRILLION
Stage One RPEs that are being electively aborted DAILY,
worldwide, by men.
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <...@mchsi.com
REMEMBER DR. TILLER!!
REJECT All RRR & LDS Cult Agendas NOW!
http://www.LayoffRemedy.com.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
When PERSONHOOD **Begins**
"ProfQ" wrote, on 9-15-08:
To which I responded with the FACTS:
That's abjectly ignorant bullcrap!
(1) Human life is a CONTINUUM. It started just ONCE,
several million years ago, at the moment the first
organism existed that had *human* DNA. It has
been self-sustaining ever since, with every single
entity in it, from skin cells to gametes to already-
born PEOPLE (i.e., *human beings*) being ALIVE.
(2) Try and combine a DEAD sperm with a DEAD egg
and see what you get. Life does NOT begin at
fertilization, and in light of Point #1, the word
"conception" as commonly used in this regard, is
total nonsense.
(3) ALL FOUR reproductive-process entities (RPEs;
gametes, zygotes, embryos, and fetuses) are:
-- Human
-- Alive
-- Unique
-- *Potential* people
-- indispensable to all births
... and more than a QUADRILLION such potential
people are electively aborted *daily*, worldwide --
by men. (While the hateful louses of ANTI-Choice
hypocritically look the other way and whistle a tune.)
(4) PERSONHOOD -- that point at which a human entity
becomes defensible -- begins at BIRTH. Even the
Bible makes that *very* clear:
-- The Bible NEVER defends RPEs as PEOPLE.
-- ALL human life the Bible defends has/had been BORN.
-- The Bible make it very CLEAR that personhood begins
at BIRTH, in is passages that emphasize the importance
of ---
-- BIRTHrights
-- First-BORNS
-- BIRTH order.
So -- a fetus (particularly an UNwanted one that a woman
has NO desire to gestate -- does NOT qualify. For anything.
And as I said before, intelligent people usually should KNOW
better than to lend any support to loathsome, hateful and bigoted
agendas of ignorant sociopaths who seek to do such things as
FORCE girls and women to gestate UNwanted pregnancies to term
against their will.
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:07:03 GMT, "HD" <...@bigpond.com
"(`.Craig Chilton.) .. WHY be Unemployed? <...@4ax.com...
Dear Lord, bless those arse fuckers until AIDS take them apart.
even though neither God, nor Jesus
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:45:18 GMT, "(`.Craig Chilton.) WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:07:03 GMT,
"HD" <...@bigpond.com
And AGAIN I ask YOU that same question: What's IN that for you?
(You really CAN'T answer THAT, can you, coward?)
Typical hatefulness of an RRR Cult bigot.
You just earned an Operation Consciousness-Raising Point.
Congratulations! You've again done society a FAVOR!
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Operation Consciousness-Raising (OCR) ...
... THANKS you for your CONTRIBUTION to society as one of
the very BEST weapons that fair-minded, sensible, compassionate
and intelligent egalitarians have in their arsenal for supporting,
defending and promote full and equal access to all persona liber-
ties that either are legal already, or should be.
You see, a really great way of hastening the DEMISE of hate-
agendas is to facilitate the awareness of society to the fact that
not only do NO FACTS even *exist* that support the loathsome
agendas of those who seek to have girls and women FORCED to
gestate UNwanted pregnancies to term against their will, at the
expense of their long-term well-being and countless future oppor-
tunites. And to expose the speciousness of the agenda that
seeks to continue the hateful exclusion of same-sex couples from
marriage. Even though there is NO valid reason for doing so, and
despite the fact that there is NO way that fully-legal same-sex
marriage could ever adversely affect the marriages of any oppo-
site sex couples' marriages or society.
Those agendas are based on scare tactics and bald-faced LIES
that most people of average-and-above intelligence would see
through in a nanosecond.
Most of the people who lend any credence to those hateful
agendas fall into one or the other of two categories. Either (1)
they are uninformed with regard to abortion, marriage equality,
or both, or (2) they actively promote those agendas.
People in Category 2 are almost always people of low intellect
who have been CONNED into actually believing that those spec-
ious and sociopathic agendas actually have redeeming social
value and need to be supported. The good news is that SOME
of them can be brought to the realization of the fact that they
*were* conned. The bad news is that MOST of them have be-
come SO steeped in the propagandistic lies that teaching pigs to
sing would stand a strong likelihood of success.
So the weapon that egalitarians wield against the hate-agen-
das in Operation Consciousness-Raising is the help the ignorant
proponents of those agendas help to destroy them. We do that
by seizing on the vocal or written pronouncements and shine a
nice, bright spotlight of TRUTH on them. The *more* that people
see that the bigots actually almost ALL oar dolts whose "argu-
ments" are so vacuous as to be ludicrous. With the result that
the component of society in Category 1, above (and there are
tens of millions of them) can regularly SEE that those agendas
are something that NO *reasonable* person would touch with a
50-foot pole. And as more and more people realize that, society
moves steadily close to it will subject the bigots' agendas to the
same dramatic REJECTION that it imposed on the equally hateful
and moronic agendas of the segregationists, decades earlier.
So THANKS for this demonstration of your ignorance. It was
a valuable contribution to helping your worthless agendas to
come to an END.
Keep up the good work!!
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Rest in Peace
George Richard Tiller, MD
A True American HERO!
August 8, 1941 May 31, 2009
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
-- Craig Chilton <...@mchsi.com
http://www.LayoffRemedy.com -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:57:27 GMT, dolf <...@hotmail.com
Even this individual can take an ethnic wife and call Australia home...
Simon Makker
A.K.A.
Makker, Smakker, Smakk-daddy, Schmack, and any other version of that you
can think of.
I was raised in...
Morrinsville, New Zealand. It's a little cow town of about 5000 people
and I grew up on a little 100-acre dairy farm, milking cows, driving
tractors and riding Dad's AG175 imagining myself as Jeremy McGrath
holding off a very hungry Jeff Emig.
The reason that you're reading about me is...
I'm the Editor of Freerider MX Magazine — a freestyle motocross magazine
that's based on the Gold Coast, Australia.
More after the jump
Right now I'm working on...
Issue #57 even though issue #56 hasn't even hit stores yet! And it's
looking sick, with some great content coming in.
But I'd rather be...
Making out with Megan Fox. Face it — she's smokin'.
My most prized possessions are...
My beautiful wife, Adeline (who also has a crush on Mega Fox, so she
will understand the previous question), my project YZ250F, which I'll
have to begrudgingly give away to one of our readers in a few months'
time, my GT I-Drive 5.2 mountain-bike, and my Premier drum-kit that has
become a collector' item.
But I'd give it all away for...
With the exception of my wife, who I wouldn't let go for anything, I'd
be happy with a lazy $5 million. I'd then make a healthy profit and can
upgrade everything.
The first thing I do in the morning is...
Erm... wake up? Nah I have this weird habit where I have to let go a
huge fart in bed before I can get out.
The last thing I do at night is...
Annoy the hell out of Adeline until she's so pissed off she can't sleep.
Once I have achieved this goal, I can close my eyes and sleep like a baby.
My momma always said...
Well, my dad always said "if you're gonna be a man during the night,
you've gotta be a man during the day." Meaning that if you have a big
night and are feeling pretty ragged the next morning, you should still
get up at your normal hour and take care of your responsibilities.
Depending on my state of wellbeing you find me in, it was both the best
and worse piece of advice he ever gave me.
The worst job I ever had was...
Milking cows. I did it for three years while I studied Journalism at
College. The good thing was I managed to get through my tertiary
education without a student loan hanging over my head, but it's a pretty
s---ty job and while all my mates could go out and have a good time, I
was either stuck in the cowshed or I knew that I had to be out of bed
uber-early. I had to get up at around 4 AM, get shat on in a freezing
cowshed, stare at the arse-end of 400 cows for a couple of hours, then
spend half an hour cleaning up afterwards. And then I had to do it all
over again in the afternoon.
- http://espn.go.com/action/fmx/blog?post=4324959
According to media reports, "English filmmaker Ken Loach has withdrawn
his film Looking for Eric from the Melbourne International Film Festival
because the festival receives funding from the Israeli Government.
Loach told the festival if it did not reconsider the sponsorship, he
would not allow the festival to screen his film.
In a letter to festival executive director Richard Moore, he said that
"Palestinians, including artists and academics, have called for a
boycott of events supported by Israel". He cited "illegal occupation of
Palestinian land, destruction of homes and livelihoods" and "the
massacres in Gaza" as reasons for the boycott. It was, he said, aimed
"not at independent Israeli films or filmmakers", but at "the Israeli
state"."
http://www.theage.com.au/national/israeli-funding-angers-filmmaker-20090717-do9 x.html
This hypocrisy by the English filmmaker Ken Loach is readily apparent
with respect to the continuing, prolonged and habitual denial of the
natural and common law originating autonomic right to regulative
freewill, self determination which is free from foreign domination in
the circumstance that British Imperial Governance as is evidence by the
letters patent to the Commonwealth.
This act of fascism continues to deny homosexuals the right to marry and
subject to denial of justice in the expectation that if they have HIV
they can be actively denied justice (eg: Human Rights Commission
deferral of my legal claims including vilification by adherents to ANZAC
Day promulgating a Nationalistic and Hymeneal superiority in preference
to the Natural support of 28 April as day of mourning by the erection of
a monument in support of deceased workers who either failed to return
home on the day or died of serious illnesses, including malignant
mesothelioma, lung cancer, and asbestosis (a type of pneumoconiosis).
That in all respects we are denied access to justice and all legal
rights under the Commonwealth--in the mistaken belief we would be long dead.
This ethos is readily apparent if the conduct of the former labor (ie.
a default trade union empathy) Victorian State Premier Steve Bracks
(catholic, lebanese) and his deputy TWAITES who were in power at that
time and attempting to impose their party of union institutional values
on the right of the individual.
Following the systematic denial of my human rights by the State, support
of the 28 April 2006 memorial to the fallen workers, his participation
in an ANZAC Day march and propaganda associated with the death of the
last WWI veteran, that the conclusion of these persons is that they are
fascist.
That the British film-maker also exhibits such an arrogance as
disrespect as illegal occupation of this Continent by the British that
his objections as call for "boycott of events supported by Israel" is
substantive justification for his and his nation's own perversity as
barbarism.
A sensible reason does exist to allow two homosexuals to enter into a
contract--And indeed my religious values are entirely different from
Americans.
I intend on commencing my BIBLOS project before challenging the Equal
Opportunity and Human Rights Commission in a court of law over treason
with respect to discrimination of natural and common law rights over an
employment contract undertaken with an American technology company
(NOVELL) having a contract of Insurance with a salary continuance
benefit conveying marriage and an AIDS exclusion.
At no stage have the fascists within the Equal Opportunity and Human
Rights Commission been responsive to my complaint and indeed attempted
to subject me social scorn by delaying my matters including an ANZAC Day
protest (ie. that the armed serviceman who committed suicide came from
my small village of 500 people and may have accessed my Internet
commentary) when the nation regards its war dead, in deference to the
establishment of a memorial on 28 April commemorating workers who have
died from injuries and disease sustained at work.
- dolf
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/automata.html
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:11:55 GMT, "(`.Craig Chilton.) WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:57:27 GMT,
dolf <...@hotmail.com
... more OFF-topic crap!
TELL me. Dolt, do you EVER make any responses
that are ON-topic?
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:20:13 GMT, dolf <...@hotmail.com
I have an employment contract with an American technology company
(NOVELL). this employment contract with its definition of marriage and
an AIDS exclusion clause is a breach of my Natural and Common Law rights
to intellectual property.
That I am actively discriminated against by Americans claiming religious
values by marriage (mormon, seventh-day adventist, pentecostal, baptist,
pseudo-Jewish-Christian sects) as their fraudulent claim to religious
belief and with whom I share no common humanity and values and have an
enduring hatred for.
- dolf
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/kangaroo.html
Even this individual can take an ethnic wife and call Australia home...
Simon Makker
A.K.A.
Makker, Smakker, Smakk-daddy, Schmack, and any other version of that you
can think of.
I was raised in...
Morrinsville, New Zealand. It's a little cow town of about 5000 people
and I grew up on a little 100-acre dairy farm, milking cows, driving
tractors and riding Dad's AG175 imagining myself as Jeremy McGrath
holding off a very hungry Jeff Emig.
The reason that you're reading about me is...
I'm the Editor of Freerider MX Magazine — a freestyle motocross magazine
that's based on the Gold Coast, Australia.
More after the jump
Right now I'm working on...
Issue #57 even though issue #56 hasn't even hit stores yet! And it's
looking sick, with some great content coming in.
But I'd rather be...
Making out with Megan Fox. Face it — she's smokin'.
My most prized possessions are...
My beautiful wife, Adeline (who also has a crush on Mega Fox, so she
will understand the previous question), my project YZ250F, which I'll
have to begrudgingly give away to one of our readers in a few months'
time, my GT I-Drive 5.2 mountain-bike, and my Premier drum-kit that has
become a collector' item.
But I'd give it all away for...
With the exception of my wife, who I wouldn't let go for anything, I'd
be happy with a lazy $5 million. I'd then make a healthy profit and can
upgrade everything.
The first thing I do in the morning is...
Erm... wake up? Nah I have this weird habit where I have to let go a
huge fart in bed before I can get out.
The last thing I do at night is...
Annoy the hell out of Adeline until she's so pissed off she can't sleep.
Once I have achieved this goal, I can close my eyes and sleep like a baby.
My momma always said...
Well, my dad always said "if you're gonna be a man during the night,
you've gotta be a man during the day." Meaning that if you have a big
night and are feeling pretty ragged the next morning, you should still
get up at your normal hour and take care of your responsibilities.
Depending on my state of wellbeing you find me in, it was both the best
and worse piece of advice he ever gave me.
The worst job I ever had was...
Milking cows. I did it for three years while I studied Journalism at
College. The good thing was I managed to get through my tertiary
education without a student loan hanging over my head, but it's a pretty
s---ty job and while all my mates could go out and have a good time, I
was either stuck in the cowshed or I knew that I had to be out of bed
uber-early. I had to get up at around 4 AM, get shat on in a freezing
cowshed, stare at the arse-end of 400 cows for a couple of hours, then
spend half an hour cleaning up afterwards. And then I had to do it all
over again in the afternoon.
- http://espn.go.com/action/fmx/blog?post=4324959
According to media reports, "English filmmaker Ken Loach has withdrawn
his film Looking for Eric from the Melbourne International Film Festival
because the festival receives funding from the Israeli Government.
Loach told the festival if it did not reconsider the sponsorship, he
would not allow the festival to screen his film.
In a letter to festival executive director Richard Moore, he said that
"Palestinians, including artists and academics, have called for a
boycott of events supported by Israel". He cited "illegal occupation of
Palestinian land, destruction of homes and livelihoods" and "the
massacres in Gaza" as reasons for the boycott. It was, he said, aimed
"not at independent Israeli films or filmmakers", but at "the Israeli
state"."
http://www.theage.com.au/national/israeli-funding-angers-filmmaker-20090717-do9 x.html
This hypocrisy by the English filmmaker Ken Loach is readily apparent
with respect to the continuing, prolonged and habitual denial of the
natural and common law originating autonomic right to regulative
freewill, self determination which is free from foreign domination in
the circumstance that British Imperial Governance as is evidence by the
letters patent to the Commonwealth.
This act of fascism continues to deny homosexuals the right to marry and
subject to denial of justice in the expectation that if they have HIV
they can be actively denied justice (eg: Human Rights Commission
deferral of my legal claims including vilification by adherents to ANZAC
Day promulgating a Nationalistic and Hymeneal superiority in preference
to the Natural support of 28 April as day of mourning by the erection of
a monument in support of deceased workers who either failed to return
home on the day or died of serious illnesses, including malignant
mesothelioma, lung cancer, and asbestosis (a type of pneumoconiosis).
That in all respects we are denied access to justice and all legal
rights under the Commonwealth--in the mistaken belief we would be long dead.
This ethos is readily apparent if the conduct of the former labor (ie.
a default trade union empathy) Victorian State Premier Steve Bracks
(catholic, lebanese) and his deputy TWAITES who were in power at that
time and attempting to impose their party of union institutional values
on the right of the individual.
Following the systematic denial of my human rights by the State, support
of the 28 April 2006 memorial to the fallen workers, his participation
in an ANZAC Day march and propaganda associated with the death of the
last WWI veteran, that the conclusion of these persons is that they are
fascist.
That the British film-maker also exhibits such an arrogance as
disrespect as illegal occupation of this Continent by the British that
his objections as call for "boycott of events supported by Israel" is
substantive justification for his and his nation's own perversity as
barbarism.
A sensible reason does exist to allow two homosexuals to enter into a
contract--And indeed my religious values are entirely different from
Americans.
I intend on commencing my BIBLOS project before challenging the Equal
Opportunity and Human Rights Commission in a court of law over treason
with respect to discrimination of natural and common law rights over an
employment contract undertaken with an American technology company
(NOVELL) having a contract of Insurance with a salary continuance
benefit conveying marriage and an AIDS exclusion.
At no stage have the fascists within the Equal Opportunity and Human
Rights Commission been responsive to my complaint and indeed attempted
to subject me social scorn by delaying my matters including an ANZAC Day
protest (ie. that the armed serviceman who committed suicide came from
my small village of 500 people and may have accessed my Internet
commentary) when the nation regards its war dead, in deference to the
establishment of a memorial on 28 April commemorating workers who have
died from injuries and disease sustained at work.
- dolf
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/automata.html
<www.LayoffRemedy.com of the
else for
would have
one single word against homosexuality. Indeed, THEY knew
that all of the sexual orientations were variations of NORMACLY
before anyone else ever did.
very BEST weapons that fair-minded, sensible, compassionate and
intelligent egalitarians have in their arsenal for supporting,
of those who seek to have girls and women FORCED to
continue the hateful exclusion of same-sex couples from
marriage could ever adversely affect the marriages of any oppo-
agendas fall into one or the other of two categories. Either (1)
need to be supported. The good news is that SOME of them can be brought
to the realization of the fact that they
seizing on the vocal or written pronouncements and shine a
component of society in Category 1, above (and there are
something that NO *reasonable* person would touch with a
an END.
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:23:12 GMT, dolf <...@hotmail.com
I have an employment contract with an American technology company
(NOVELL). this employment contract with its definition of marriage and
an AIDS exclusion clause is a breach of my Natural and Common Law rights
to intellectual property.
The Company Novell is fascist.
That I am actively discriminated against by Americans claiming religious
values by marriage (mormon, seventh-day adventist, pentecostal, baptist,
pseudo-Jewish-Christian sects) as their fraudulent claim to religious
belief and with whom I share no common humanity and values and have an
enduring hatred for.
- dolf
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/kangaroo.html
Even this individual can take an ethnic wife and call Australia home...
Simon Makker
A.K.A.
Makker, Smakker, Smakk-daddy, Schmack, and any other version of that you
can think of.
I was raised in...
Morrinsville, New Zealand. It's a little cow town of about 5000 people
and I grew up on a little 100-acre dairy farm, milking cows, driving
tractors and riding Dad's AG175 imagining myself as Jeremy McGrath
holding off a very hungry Jeff Emig.
The reason that you're reading about me is...
I'm the Editor of Freerider MX Magazine — a freestyle motocross magazine
that's based on the Gold Coast, Australia.
More after the jump
Right now I'm working on...
Issue #57 even though issue #56 hasn't even hit stores yet! And it's
looking sick, with some great content coming in.
But I'd rather be...
Making out with Megan Fox. Face it — she's smokin'.
My most prized possessions are...
My beautiful wife, Adeline (who also has a crush on Mega Fox, so she
will understand the previous question), my project YZ250F, which I'll
have to begrudgingly give away to one of our readers in a few months'
time, my GT I-Drive 5.2 mountain-bike, and my Premier drum-kit that has
become a collector' item.
But I'd give it all away for...
With the exception of my wife, who I wouldn't let go for anything, I'd
be happy with a lazy $5 million. I'd then make a healthy profit and can
upgrade everything.
The first thing I do in the morning is...
Erm... wake up? Nah I have this weird habit where I have to let go a
huge fart in bed before I can get out.
The last thing I do at night is...
Annoy the hell out of Adeline until she's so pissed off she can't sleep.
Once I have achieved this goal, I can close my eyes and sleep like a baby.
My momma always said...
Well, my dad always said "if you're gonna be a man during the night,
you've gotta be a man during the day." Meaning that if you have a big
night and are feeling pretty ragged the next morning, you should still
get up at your normal hour and take care of your responsibilities.
Depending on my state of wellbeing you find me in, it was both the best
and worse piece of advice he ever gave me.
The worst job I ever had was...
Milking cows. I did it for three years while I studied Journalism at
College. The good thing was I managed to get through my tertiary
education without a student loan hanging over my head, but it's a pretty
s---ty job and while all my mates could go out and have a good time, I
was either stuck in the cowshed or I knew that I had to be out of bed
uber-early. I had to get up at around 4 AM, get shat on in a freezing
cowshed, stare at the arse-end of 400 cows for a couple of hours, then
spend half an hour cleaning up afterwards. And then I had to do it all
over again in the afternoon.
- http://espn.go.com/action/fmx/blog?post=4324959
According to media reports, "English filmmaker Ken Loach has withdrawn
his film Looking for Eric from the Melbourne International Film Festival
because the festival receives funding from the Israeli Government.
Loach told the festival if it did not reconsider the sponsorship, he
would not allow the festival to screen his film.
In a letter to festival executive director Richard Moore, he said that
"Palestinians, including artists and academics, have called for a
boycott of events supported by Israel". He cited "illegal occupation of
Palestinian land, destruction of homes and livelihoods" and "the
massacres in Gaza" as reasons for the boycott. It was, he said, aimed
"not at independent Israeli films or filmmakers", but at "the Israeli
state"."
http://www.theage.com.au/national/israeli-funding-angers-filmmaker-20090717-do9 x.html
This hypocrisy by the English filmmaker Ken Loach is readily apparent
with respect to the continuing, prolonged and habitual denial of the
natural and common law originating autonomic right to regulative
freewill, self determination which is free from foreign domination in
the circumstance that British Imperial Governance as is evidence by the
letters patent to the Commonwealth.
This act of fascism continues to deny homosexuals the right to marry and
subject to denial of justice in the expectation that if they have HIV
they can be actively denied justice (eg: Human Rights Commission
deferral of my legal claims including vilification by adherents to ANZAC
Day promulgating a Nationalistic and Hymeneal superiority in preference
to the Natural support of 28 April as day of mourning by the erection of
a monument in support of deceased workers who either failed to return
home on the day or died of serious illnesses, including malignant
mesothelioma, lung cancer, and asbestosis (a type of pneumoconiosis).
That in all respects we are denied access to justice and all legal
rights under the Commonwealth--in the mistaken belief we would be long dead.
This ethos is readily apparent if the conduct of the former labor (ie.
a default trade union empathy) Victorian State Premier Steve Bracks
(catholic, lebanese) and his deputy TWAITES who were in power at that
time and attempting to impose their party of union institutional values
on the right of the individual.
Following the systematic denial of my human rights by the State, support
of the 28 April 2006 memorial to the fallen workers, his participation
in an ANZAC Day march and propaganda associated with the death of the
last WWI veteran, that the conclusion of these persons is that they are
fascist.
That the British film-maker also exhibits such an arrogance as
disrespect as illegal occupation of this Continent by the British that
his objections as call for "boycott of events supported by Israel" is
substantive justification for his and his nation's own perversity as
barbarism.
A sensible reason does exist to allow two homosexuals to enter into a
contract--And indeed my religious values are entirely different from
Americans.
I intend on commencing my BIBLOS project before challenging the Equal
Opportunity and Human Rights Commission in a court of law over treason
with respect to discrimination of natural and common law rights over an
employment contract undertaken with an American technology company
(NOVELL) having a contract of Insurance with a salary continuance
benefit conveying marriage and an AIDS exclusion.
At no stage have the fascists within the Equal Opportunity and Human
Rights Commission been responsive to my complaint and indeed attempted
to subject me social scorn by delaying my matters including an ANZAC Day
protest (ie. that the armed serviceman who committed suicide came from
my small village of 500 people and may have accessed my Internet
commentary) when the nation regards its war dead, in deference to the
establishment of a memorial on 28 April commemorating workers who have
died from injuries and disease sustained at work.
- dolf
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/automata.html
<www.LayoffRemedy.comelse for
would have
one single word against homosexuality. Indeed, THEY knew
that all of the sexual orientations were variations of NORMACLY
before anyone else ever did.
very BEST weapons that fair-minded, sensible, compassionate and
intelligent egalitarians have in their arsenal for supporting,
of those who seek to have girls and women FORCED to
continue the hateful exclusion of same-sex couples from
marriage could ever adversely affect the marriages of any oppo-
agendas fall into one or the other of two categories. Either (1)
need to be supported. The good news is that SOME of them can be brought
to the realization of the fact that they
seizing on the vocal or written pronouncements and shine a
component of society in Category 1, above (and there are
something that NO *reasonable* person would touch with a
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:13:44 -0500, "Adam A. Wanderer" <...@earthlink.net
"(`.Craig Chilton.) .. WHY be Unemployed? <...@4ax.com...
Bigotry and hate are profitable businesses. (Send money to fight this
outrage.) They also help raise votes for candidates that wouldn't stand a
chance otherwise.
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:24:43 -0400, "Patrick" <...@erinet.com
"Adam Craig wrote in message
What is the outrage?
Bigotry and Hate?
Or two fags trying to enter into a contract where one of them is not
qualified?
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:22:39 -0700 (PDT), Mark Sebree <...@infionline.net
On Jul 17, 11:24 am, "Patrick" <...@erinet.com
The "outrage" that is being promoted is that homosexuals want to have
the same rights as heterosexuals, including the right to marry the
single, consenting, adult of their choice, whom they love and want to
spend their lives with.
Both are the basis for denying homosexuals equal rights.
You have not shown that either of them is not qualified to get
married. Both adults are qualified to get married since both
understand what marriage is, better than you seem to, they are both
mentally competent, they are unmarried, they are adults, and they both
consent and desire to enter into this contract. They have all the
same pertinent and important qualifications that a heterosexual couple
has when they get married.
Mark Sebree
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:21:57 -0700 (PDT), Mark Sebree <...@infionline.net
On Jul 17, 11:24 am, "Patrick" <...@erinet.com
The "outrage" that is being promoted is that homosexuals want to have
the same rights as heterosexuals, including the right to marry the
single, consenting, adult of their choice, whom they love and want to
spend their lives with.
Both are the basis for denying homosexuals equal rights.
You have not shown that either of them is not qualified to get
married. Both adults are qualified to get married since both
understand what marriage is, better than you seem to, they are both
mentally competent, they are unmarried, they are adults, and they both
consent and desire to enter into this contract. They have all the
same pertinent and important qualifications that a heterosexual couple
has when they get married.
Mark Sebree
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:36:22 -0400, "Patrick" <...@erinet.com
"Mark Sebree" <...@infionline.net
You have not shown that either of them is not qualified to get
married. Both adults are qualified to get married since both
understand what marriage is, better than you seem to, they are both
mentally competent, they are unmarried, they are adults, and they both
consent and desire to enter into this contract. They have all the
same pertinent and important qualifications that a heterosexual couple
has when they get married.
P -- Perhaps you forgot that in order to have a marriage, you
must start with one male and one female.
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:56:06 -0700 (PDT), Mark Sebree <...@infionline.net
On Jul 18, 10:36 am, "Patrick" <...@erinet.com
Sorry, but I have not forgotten anything. And marriage can include
two men or two women as shown by the fact that a number of countries
and states currently recognize marriages between two men or two women
as valid, as well a number of civilizations in history, so your
supposed "qualification" is meaningless.
Men can get married, so claiming that they cannot get married because
they are men is a lie. Women can get married, so making the same
claim except that they are women is also a lie.
Therefore, you have not shown any ACTUAL and VALID reason why
homosexual couples cannot get married in the same manner and for the
same reasons as heterosexual couples. All you have shown is your
bigotry, homophobia, and your lack of respect for people having equal
rights.
Mark Sebree
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:44:37 -0400, "Patrick" <...@erinet.com
"Mark Sebree" <...@infionline.net "Patrick" <...@erinet.com
Sorry, but I have not forgotten anything. And marriage can include
two men or two women as shown by the fact that a number of countries
and states currently recognize marriages between two men or two women
So?
Some countries allow the husband to murder their wives for cause.
I'm sure you could find a country that will let you suck off your dog.
Get back to reality... to Western Civilization.
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:09:57 -0700 (PDT), Mark Sebree <...@infionline.net
On Jul 18, 4:44 pm, "Patrick" <...@erinet.com
And those are usually repressive countries that to hateful things like
outlaw homosexuality and deny women equal rights. They are usually
Middle Eastern and the more repressive Asian countries.
And? That has nothing to do with the discussion.
I am in reality, and in the Western Civilization. You are the one
that seems to want to emulate the repressive Eastern countries, and
prefers fantasy to reality. It is mostly countries in the Western
Civilization which have progressed enough to end the discrimination
against homosexuals, and allow homosexual couples the same rights as
heterosexual couples, including the right to get married. Countries
like Canada and Sweden, as well as a number of states in the USA.
Mark Sebree
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:30:11 -0400, "Patrick" <...@erinet.com
"Mark Sebree" <...@infionline.net, "Patrick" <...@erinet.com
And those are usually repressive countries that to hateful things like
outlaw homosexuality and deny women equal rights. They are usually
Middle Eastern and the more repressive Asian countries.
P -- So?
You used the excuse that some countries allow fag marriages.
I merely claim that some do not.
And, in fact, most do not.
And? That has nothing to do with the discussion.
P -- So?
You used the excuse that some countries allow fag marriages.
I merely claim that some do not.
And, in fact, most do not.
I am in reality, and in the Western Civilization. You are the one
that seems to want to emulate the repressive Eastern countries, and
prefers fantasy to reality. It is mostly countries in the Western
Civilization which have progressed enough to end the discrimination
against homosexuals, and allow homosexual couples the same rights as
heterosexual couples, including the right to get married. Countries
like Canada and Sweden, as well as a number of states in the USA.
P -- So?
You used the excuse that some countries allow fag marriages.
I merely claim that some do not.
And, in fact, most do not.
Just because the morality of a nation allows something, this
does not mean that it is right for society. For example,
slavery and abortion. And now fag marriages.
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 07:04:27 -0700 (PDT), Mark Sebree <...@infionline.net
On Jul 19, 8:30 am, "Patrick" <...@erinet.com
Those are countries which do not respect equal rights in the first
place, and already have groups which are second class citizens.
I have not used any excuses. You are using the excuse that just
because most countries deny groups equal rights that it is okay for
the USA to do so. That is a logical fallacy. The same argument
couple be used to argue that the USA should be a monarchy or
theocracy, or that women should be denied all their rights, including
the right to work, get a good education, or vote.
And? Agumentum ad Populum/Argumentum ad Numerum is still a logical
fallacy. Just because most of them deny homosexuals equal rights does
not mean that they are right to do so.
It was a non sequitor, and thus a logical fallacy.
The ones that are more advanced and progressive, especially socially.
And most of those are more repressive and backwards socially.
And they are the ones that are behind the power curve and the tech
curve, as well as being more repressive and offering less equality and
fewer freedoms to the people.
They show that homosexuals are able and willing to get married, which
destroys your supposed premise that they are unable to do so for
physical reasons. The countries that have ended the discrimination
against homosexuals and have afforded them the same right to get
married as heterosexuals are almost all Western countries.
I am not using any excuse. I am working to end discrimination, and to
remove a group from second class citizen status with reduced rights.
I am also pointing out the fallacies in your claims, and showing you
that you are the one that needs to get back to the Western
Civilization.
And the ones that do not are usually the ones that are more backwards
and more repressive.
You, however, do not get to decide if something is or is not "right
for society".
Abortion is right for society as long as it is voluntary. The women
that are pregnant MUST be free to decide for herself without let or
hinderance whether she wants to continue her pregnancy or end it, and
then must be free to act on it using the best medical professionals
available to her in order to ensure her safety and health.
Homosexual marriages are right for society because they are a
correction of an inequality and an example of an ending of
discrimination. Homosexual marriages harm nobody, and help a great
many people. That is why you are unable to show any valid reasons to
continue the special rights of heterosexual couples to get married,
while denying that right to homosexual couples, especially after the
Supreme Court ruled in Loving vs. Virginia that marriage is a
fundamental right, and thus is protected by the US Constitution.
Mark Sebree
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:10:01 -0400, "Patrick" <...@erinet.com
"Mark Sebree" <...@infionline.netHomosexual marriages are right for society because they are a
correction of an inequality and an example of an ending of
discrimination.
P - What a pile of horseshit.
We need to get the facts straight.
Homosexual behavior not only seriously harms homosexuals individually, it
harms society also. Let's start by looking at the health of people who
engage in homosexual behavior:
People who practice homosexuality experience higher rates of many diseases,
including:
Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
Hepatitis A, B and C
Gonorrhea
Syphillis
Gay Bowel syndrome
HIV/AIDS
Bacterial vaginosis
People who practice homosexuality have higher rates of:
Alcohol abuse
Drug abuse
Nicotine dependence
Depression
Suicide
Domestic violence (20 times more common than among heterosexuals)
Ah, but maybe these problems are the result of society's discrimination
against homosexual people. Not true. If we look at places in which
homosexuality is accepted, such as The Netherlands (gay marriage is legal
there) and San Fransisco, we find that the greater the acceptance of
homosexual behavior, the higher the rate of the above negative consequences.
Accepting homosexual behavior makes it worse!
What about the effect of homosexual behavior on society?
In addition to a domestic violence rate that is 20 times higher than among
heterosexuals, these are some of the negative effects homosexuality has on
society:
Higher rates of child molestation*
(Nearly 1/3 of the child abuse cases are homosexual in nature, and
homosexuals are only 3% of the population.)
Daughters of lesbian "parents" are more likely to engage in risky sexual
behavior and experience the consequences of that behavior.
In areas in which homosexual marriage has become accepted (The Netherlands
and areas of Scandinavia, for example), the fundamental building block of
society--the family--has fallen apart. In some of these areas as many as 80%
of the children are born outside of a family.
Children of homosexual "parents" do the worst in 9 of 13 acedemic categories
when compared with both married heterosexual couples and cohabitating
couples.
Homosexual behavior is linked with higher rates of promiscuity, physical
disease, mental illness, substance abuse, child sexual abuse and domestic
violence--all things that impact society negatively. Don't try to say
homosexual behavior doesn't hurt society--it is a major force that tears
down society and harms children.
For more information I invite you to read a online paper titled: What's
Wrong With Letting Same-Sex Couples Marry? (Most of the information here
comes from that paper, which includes scientific references to the source
documents).
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