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A Committed Marxist Discovers Jesus Christ
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:11:30 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet <...@dcemail.com
http://www.ccr.org.uk/testimon/marxist.htm
A Committed Marxist Discovers Jesus Christ
Gerald Daly, who is currently the administrator for Allen Hall, the
Westminster diocesan seminary, was for many years an atheist and
committed Marxist. Below he shares his faith story and how Jesus
Christ came to him and transformed his life
Gerald at 25 in his radical years, with his son KieranI grew up in the
50s in the East End of London in a typical Irish family. My mother was
a very devout Catholic and my father practised his faith, but his main
passion was politics. He was a committed trade unionist and a labour
councillor and our house was always full of political talk. I was the
eldest of four boys and my mother, like many at that time, would have
loved me to become a priest, but as I grew older I started questioning
my faith. I found Mass boring and although I went to a Catholic
school, most of my friends weren't Catholic and I saw the whole Mass
thing as an imposition which I would do anything to get out of.
It was the 60s, and as young people we were questioning everything,
politics, religion, morality. We wanted to be free and not bound by
convention. When I was 17 my girlfriend Helen became pregnant, so
instead of carrying on with my education, I had to go out to work. I
would have been quite happy not getting married, but I could see that
our situation was tearing my mother apart, and it was really to please
her that we eventually got married, when I was 19. I found out later,
however, that Helen had wanted to get married all along and was just
pretending that she didn't care, as at that time marriage was
considered very unhip.
When I was 22 I got a place as a mature student at Lampeter university
where I read Philosophy. Here our second daughter was also born. It
was a wonderful three years. The 60s were an exciting time to live in.
We genuinely believed that we were part of an epoch making movement
that would change society for the better and the university was a
hotbed of student radicalism. Any vestiges of the Catholic faith that
I had, dissolved here, both through studying philosophy and because of
the people I met. All the philosophy department, and in fact most of
the social sciences departments in the country at that time were
Marxist dominated. In fact, you couldn't really hold a contrary view
and survive, even if you had wanted to, which I didn't.
It was here that I got involved in the IMG (International Marxist
Group). It was a really cool group to belong to, and had a bit of a
dangerous image, which suited me. There were lots of late nights and
discussions about how we were going to change the world. The IMG was
led by Tariq Ali, who was a very charismatic figure at the time. After
university I got a job in local government, where many of us from the
left had found work. We felt we had a real possibility here of
bringing about the revolution and saw ourselves as vehicles for social
change. To be honest there was no real model we were working for. It
was just a vague dream for a socialist future which we hadn't really
worked through, but there were lots of discussions at the pub and
going on demonstrations and attending Trade Union meetings. We had
also infiltrated the Labour party, and were seeking to control it.
Life continued like this for the next decade or so. Even when Margaret
Thatcher came into power, things didn't really change much. The real
death knell of the left came with the fall of the Berlin Wall and the
collapse of communism in the soviet bloc, followed by the rise of Tony
Blair and New Labour.
Although we were aware that the Soviet Union was not a perfect role
model for a socialist state, at least it existed and had some of the
essential elements we were fighting for. So when 500 million people
rejected what we held as core beliefs, it was bound to dent our
confidence and there was a massive collapse among the left. I clung on
for a while trying to make sense of what was happening, but it was
very hard. We moved from absolute certainty about the historical
development of society to a condition of confusion.
By this time I was in my late 30's and my three children were growing
up. Although I was an atheist and my wife wasn't a Catholic, she had
taken her marriage vow to bring up the children as Catholics very
seriously, and had sent them to Catholic schools, although obviously
we didn't do much about pushing the faith at home. It was a bit of a
surprise thus, when Kerry, my eldest daughter, started going out with
Andrew, who was a practising Catholic. She even started going to Mass
with him.
It was through this young man that Christ started to come back into
our home, after 20 years, almost without me realising it. Just his
physical presence I think acted as a kind of emotional trigger
bringing up my Catholic past. This came to a head when as a family we
all went on holiday to Greece together and Andrew came with us. One
night as we were sitting by the waterside in a taverna having a meal,
Andrew and I started having a discussion about religious faith. I
can't remember what started it off. I think I just wanted to show off
a bit. He was a young man with quite a simple faith and with my
philosophical training and life experience I had no trouble in
humiliating him and his beliefs.
I put the incident to the back of my mind and thought that was the end
of it. But two days later, I went out on my own to climb a nearby
hill, which had an orthodox monastery on the top, where there was a
kind of shrine to Our Lady. I don't recall praying there, but I did
stop for a while, while a little nun looked on at me. Then I went back
down to the beach and started reading a book I had in my rucksack
about the history of the Balkans.
I suddenly came to a very disturbing part in the book, when it told
about the slaughter of 30,000 Christians by the Turks. The horrible
evil of it struck me. I began to feel very odd and an overwhelming
sense of futility of life rushed over me. It was quite frightening. I
looked back at my own life and the whole meaninglessness of it. What
was the point of it at all I wondered.
The next thing I knew was that I had lost my vision. I don't know how
long it lasted - a few seconds or a few minutes - but I suddenly felt
the presence of Christ
The next thing I knew was that I had lost my vision. I don't know how
long it lasted - a few seconds or a few minutes - but I suddenly felt
the presence of Christ. It was strange but I knew instantly who was
there, who was close to me and making himself known. I didn't see
anything but the Holy Spirit was communicating to me through an inner
sense that I couldn't understand. It was all about love and in a
wordless way love was presented to me as the thing that held the
universe together and this was where the meaning to life lay. I also
knew that the source of this love was Christ.
When I came round I was deeply shocked. I knew that Christ had somehow
come to me, but my head wanted to reject it. I had after all been an
atheist for 20 years and this was the basis of a deeply rooted
intellectual and secular approach to life, which was not easy to just
let go of. I wondered if it had all been an hallucination and whether
I was having some sort of breakdown or if it was stress related. But I
just couldn't get the experience out of my mind. I didn't dare tell
anybody about it, in case they thought I was crazy. Over the next few
months, however, I kept going over and over it in my mind trying to
find a human explanation. I am a very logical, rational person, but in
the end I had to come to the conclusion that what had happened was
real, and that the supernatural did exist, but I wasn't quite sure
what to do about it.
I remember it was some time later, on Christmas morning. I was making
a cup of tea downstairs, when I suddenly had this conviction that I
should go to Mass. I'm sure it was the prompting of the Holy Spirit.
My wife was stunned as she had had no inkling about the interior
religious struggles I'd been going through. I hadn't mentioned it to
anybody as I'd been worried that I would be lampooned the way I had
others.
When I arrived at Mass it was an emotional moment for me. Everything
was so different from how I remembered. The Mass was in English for a
start and I didn't know any of the responses. It was a Nigerian priest
celebrating Mass. I will always remember when he rose to read the
gospel. I couldn't hear a word he was saying, all I heard was running
water, flowing from him and flowing through me. I started crying my
eyes out because I knew I was where I belonged. I knew I was back
home. My wife was very disturbed by it all and thought I had had a
breakdown. In fact we went through some very difficult times because
of it, but in a strange way the sacramental side of my marriage has
become stronger than before. It has been enriched and deepened in a
wholly different way. Kerry eventually got married to Andrew. She now
has two children and has become a very committed Catholic. All in all
I've been very blessed.
I have had my ups and downs over the last 13 years. It's been hard to
put my faith into practice the way I would have liked, particularly at
work. I was a political advisor to councillors in local government and
much of this centres on finding ways to destroy the reputation of your
opponents, as you promote your own candidate. Sometimes I was asked to
do and say things that as a Christian I believed weren't morally
right, but this had become accepted as part of the job, so it was
difficult to know what to do. I tried my best not to compromise myself
but I wasn't entirely successful. I was finding the tension between
what I believed and what I was being asked to do more and more
difficult. Things were building up to a head, where I knew I just
couldn't work in the job anymore but I wasn't sure what I would do.
Then out of the blue I saw a job advertised in the Catholic Herald for
an administrator for Allen Hall, the Westminster diocesan seminary. It
was a huge cut in salary and would badly affect my pension, but the
moment I saw it I knew that this was the job that God wanted for me.
My work here is challenging but in a different way. I have to be very
flexible and turn my hand to anything. I have always been very self-
reliant, believing it was all down to me, but more and more I realise
it is about trusting God, and working with him, because He can do more
than we can possibly imagine or think. Far from life being meaningless
as I was tempted to think all those years ago on that Greek beach,
life has now become for me, one incredible adventure. Thanks be to God.
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:25:50 +0000, Les Hellawell <...@fakeaddress.com
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:11:30 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
<...@dcemail.com
It just goes to show. Some people will believe
anything and the more ridulous the belief the
better in this case.
[I do not crosspost]
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:43:21 -0800, Sir Frederick <...@fuzzysys.com
Story time.
Religions, like languages, are arbitrary.
The main 'truths' are in the pragmatic behavioral
and neurological effects.
Study of neuroscience is recommended.
Also, see :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotheology
and see :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurophilosophy
Stories are not unacceptable, in fact 'we; need them,
just please recognize their place in the situation,
and the human constraints in that same situation.
As you keep practicing these stories unto your experienced
reality, this contextual place will keep being expressed.
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:15:39 -0500, raven1 <...@nevermore.com
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:11:30 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
<...@dcemail.com
Certainly sounds like it.
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:43:44 -0800 (PST), Shrikeback <...@gmail.com
On Nov 7, 11:11 am, Sound of Trumpet <...@dcemail.comwrote:
Well, it's not really that much of a change when you
get down to it. Slave morality is slave morality.
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:43:01 -0800 (PST), George <...@hnpl.net
On Nov 8, 8:11 am, Sound of Trumpet <...@dcemail.comwrote:
You mean you christians lost him?
That's a bit careless
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:46:02 -0600, "5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09" <...@dead.com
Does this mean he's a Marxist now?
Well, makes sense. "Sermon on the Mount" always did sound a bit ...
communal.
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:44:45 -0800 (PST), Shrikeback <...@gmail.com
On Nov 7, 12:46 pm, "5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09" <...@dead.comwrote:
And the ontology of Christianity always sounded a bit
fascistic. Fascism with a human face.
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:11:04 -0800 (PST), Phlip <...@gmail.com
On Nov 7, 4:44 pm, Shrikeback <...@gmail.com
Jesus was a liberal.
You mean "Compassionate Conservatives"? We are still counting the
bodies on that one...
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:51:40 -0800 (PST), Shrikeback <...@gmail.com
On Nov 7, 5:11 pm, Phlip <...@gmail.com
No, Jesus was a fascist, who brought warnings about the
ultimate gulag, known as Hell, and the eternal oven that
accompanied it in the Lake of Fire.
Actually, that Susan Sontag's diagnosis of Marxism,
when she finally came to the realization that every
Leninist regime was tyrannical, back in the days of
Solidarnosc. When she wrote that, the radical chic
Sixties finally gave up the ghost.
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:57:13 -0800 (PST), Shrikeback <...@gmail.com
On Nov 7, 5:51 pm, Shrikeback <...@gmail.com
And Jesus' heaven sounds a lot like the People's
Republic of Korea, what with heavenly choirs always
singing the praises of the One, and always having to
watch what you think.
"And when you get to heaven, you'll wish you were in hell."
-Marilyn Manson
"It is not the strength of their love, but the impotence
of their love, that prevents modern Christians from burning
us at the stake."
-Frederick Nietzsche
Islam, in some jurisdictions anyway, still exhibits the strong
love of old. Gimme that old time religion.
"Ve haff no fags in Iran, because first ve line zem up,
zen ve stone zem!"
-Mahmoud Ahmadinejihad
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:53:31 -0800 (PST), Phlip <...@gmail.com
On Nov 7, 6:15 pm, fasgnadh <...@yahoo.com.au
Because most people organize by religion, so the fastest way to
repress everyone at the same time is outlaw every religion.
(Obviously!)
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:42:17 GMT, fasgnadh <...@yahoo.com.au
I didn't think the atheists could, so thanks for answering
for them. ;-)
And as we all know, when we lose the freedom and the right
to think, speak and believe, the social cost is catastrophic.
And as the Chinese Communists set out on the journey from
Maoist repression to the middle class bourgeois democracy they
will become, 'inch Allah, the first freedom they allowed was the
one with the greatest social benefit. Freedom of religious belief:
"With the gradual liberalisation that developed with
Deng Xiaoping's open door reforms, religion was no
longer proscribed. In 1982, the constitution was
amended to allow Chinese people considerable freedom
of religion."
http://cbbc.org/china_guide/religion.html
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent,"
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
Communist officials praising the social benefits of religion! B^D
And as that spiritual transformation began so did the hope
and confidence to carry forward social and economic transformation;
"religion has been enjoying a resurgence in China over the
past 20 years, as Communist Party disapproval has eased"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6337627.stm
"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
"A survey has found that the number of religious believers
is three times bigger than the official estimate.
The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong
Shijun and Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal
University from 2005 till recently, found that 31.4 percent
of Chinese aged 16 and above or about 300 million are religious."
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
Incredible! in just a few short years the new converts from
atheism In JUST ONE COUNTRY, far outnumber the slow increase
in tiny atheist numbers in the rest of the WORLD! B^D
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAA
--
alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode= source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_10018 74c.jpg
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:40:52 -0600, Virgil <...@home.esc
In article <...@news-server.bigpond.net.au fasgnadh <...@yahoo.com.au
Hell was created by a variety of theisms millennia before any atheistic
regime.
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:43:10 -0800 (PST), Shrikeback <...@gmail.com
On Nov 7, 6:15 pm, fasgnadh <...@yahoo.com.au
Done:
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch
and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into
the fire [the lake of fire], and they are burned" (John 15:6-8).
Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou shalt
not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the
judgment:
but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother
shall be in danger of the judgment, and whosoever shall say, Thou
\fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire. (Matthew. 5.21-22)
Because there is no such thing as an atheist regime. There
have been, however, a number of cult of personality, emperor-
worshipping regimes, all of which brought Christian slave-morality
to its logical conclusion. Obliteration of the Self.
I don't know why you bother posting ten miles of detritus at the
end of your post; nobody bothers reading more than a page or
so. The medium is the message. Learn it, love it, or leave it.
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:45:54 -0800 (PST), Shrikeback <...@gmail.com
On Nov 7, 6:43 pm, Shrikeback <...@gmail.com
And if you worship the State, you have a God, even if you
don't want to call Him by that name.
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:01:34 -0800 (PST), Phlip <...@gmail.com
On Nov 7, 6:43 pm, Shrikeback <...@gmail.com
You added the "lake of fire" - he's talking about a campfire with
sticks.
And in general he's typically talking about "what goes around comes
around" - in this world. He means that people who turn from the path
of righteousness will suffer, here on earth, with both remorse and
with opprobrium.
Warning: I'm only Xtian by heritage; I'm not blindly defending the
Gospels or anything! But...
...the big difference between the Old and New Testaments appears to be
obedience to the group vs respect for the individual. JC represents
the dawn of the concept of human rights.
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:24:40 -0800 (PST), Shrikeback <...@gmail.com
On Nov 7, 7:01 pm, Phlip <...@gmail.com
Sorry, I just failed to omit someone else's insertion.
One of my favorite Mark Twain quotes:
The two Testaments are interesting, each in its own way.
The Old one gives us a picture of these people’s Deity as
he was before he got religion, the other one gives us a
picture of him as he appeared afterward. The Old Testament
is interested mainly in blood and sensuality. The New one
in Salvation. Salvation by fire. The first time the Deity came
down to earth, he brought life and death; when he came the
second time, he brought hell.
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:16:25 GMT, fasgnadh <...@yahoo.com.au
And there is no mention of Hell, or a gulag.. his original
statement is a complete misrepresentation.
You certainly are a sorry sack of lying atheist shite!
"If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch
^^^^^^^
that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up,
thrown into the fire and burned. If you remain in Me and
My words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it
will be given you. This is to My Father's glory,
that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be
My disciples."
So, just as those who ignore Jesus are said to
be LIKE deadwood [they do not actually bercome TIMBER
you fucking NITWIT! B^] so those who live in the spirit
are said to bear FRUIT.. ie to be fruitful.. and he ain't
talking apples and pears you fruitcake!!! B^D
Can any of you brain dead CRETINS spell M-E-T-A-P-H-O-R ? B^D
So if someone does not follow Jesus they are LIKE deadwood,
...as your idiotic posts show...
with no other use than being metaphorical firewood. B^D
Thanks for illustrating Jesus' point! B^D
Ah well, at least we have atheists taking Jesus seriously
and arguing he exists! B^D
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA!
I hope Mitchell Holman's insertion hasn't stretched your hole, man!
Oh no one reads past you first fabrication, you stupid lying
dumbfuck atheist! B^]
.....
You are wasting your breath. In 12 months I have observed that atheists
ONLY quote scripture to lie about and misrepresent it.
They are malign and full of hate and have no honest argument,
no facts and no intellectual or moral integrity.
So are the atheists! B^D they will never acknowledge their debt
in WORDS, but their actions in CHOOSING to live in progressive,
modern, advanced, democratic MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies gives
them away.. and don't tell them that over 60% of their 'secular'
laws are directly derived from the 10 commandments and the rest
indirectly! ;-)
It drives them crazy that the very rights and freedoms denied to
the victims of EVERY ATHEIST regime are gifted to them by theist
societies inspired and sustained by Spiritual Teachings!
Neither am I, I'm an agnostic, but when Nazis attack Jews.. I am a Jew,
when Islamophobes vilify ALL Muslims because of the actions of a
minority of Islamofascists breaching the Qur'an.. I am a Muslim.
and when they vilify Christ, lying and misrepresenting the inspiration
and sustaining force in Western civilisation.. then I am a Christian..
"I am Spartacus" ;-) Speak truth to power and oppose evil.
I cannot understand why they hate the Religious systems that are the
foundation of every great and enduring civilisation, and cling to a
dogma which has produced a totalitarian tyranny in EVERY ATHEIST STATE
in history!!? B^p
The eternal verities remain the same, "Love God, Love one another..do
right.. show mercy, compassion, patience, kindness, .."
but the 10 simple laws for a pre-literate nomadic goat-herder society
reflect the needs of a society which could not develop complex
social welfare, legal rights, restorative justice.. because only
one in ten-thousand could read. Laws were brief and the punishments
memorable! ;-)
Look at the difference which Gutenberg made.. to politics, science,
and religion.. revolutions followed mass literacy in every field of
human endeavour. Religion evolved and continues to do so, but the
atheist regimes of the 20th century were a catastrophic throw-back
to medieval brutality!
Atheism has nothing to say to modern man. There are no 'fruits'
of it's doctrine, no 'Living Waters' in it's hate-filled dogma:
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
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Trance signs up to Kill theists and shit down their throats. 8^o
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alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode= source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_10018 74c.jpg
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:37:00 GMT, fasgnadh <...@yahoo.com.au
Shrikeback lied:
Fascsits didn't exist for centuries.. Fascisti, bound sticks
There is nothing in your quote about a gulag
There is no mention of Hell in your quote
No mention of an eternal oven in your quote,
and YOU fabricated the bit about 'lake of Fire'!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAA
Now people can see why I ask you liars for VERBATIM quotes...
you are so stupid you can't understand what you read and
so DISHONEST you distort it anyway;
Not by a country mile! YOU are done, as another atheist liar! B^]
Atheists, they spend half their time denying Jesus exists and
the other half LYING about what he says!
No mention of Hell, in fact YOU have added"The Lake of Fire"
and changed the meaning.. the Gospel according to Shreak-wank!
It's a METAPHOR with Living, Fruiting Trees and DEADWOOD.. like you!
"If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch
^^^^^^^
that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up,
thrown into the fire and burned. If you remain in Me and
My words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it
will be given you. This is to My Father's glory,
that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be
My disciples."
So, just as those who ignore Jesus are said to
be LIKE deadwood [they do not actually bercome TIMBER
you fucking NITWIT! B^] so those who live in the spirit
are said to bear FRUIT.. ie to be fruitful.. and he ain't
talking apples and pears you fruitcake!!! B^D
Can any of you brain dead CRETINS spell M-E-T-A-P-H-O-R ? B^D
So if someone does not follow Jesus they are LIKE deadwood,
...as your idiotic posts show...
with no other use than being metaphorical firewood. B^D
Thanks for illustrating Jesus' point! B^D
Ah well, at least we have atheists taking Jesus seriously
and arguing he exists! B^D
Ok... for those of you with short attention spans
I have ignored the rest of your post.
It was all GIGO and idiotic misrepresentations!
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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_10018 74c.jpg
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:42:58 -0600, Virgil <...@home.esc
In article <...@news-server.bigpond.net.au fasgnadh <...@yahoo.com.au
There he goes again!!!!
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:53:34 -0600, Mitchell Holman <...@comcast.net
Shrikeback <...@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
Facts 1, "fasgnadh" 0
Xians hate it when you quote scripture to them..........;)
Mitchell Holman
"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day
shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD .
Whoever does any work on it must be put to death."
Exodus 35:2.
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:26:15 -0800 (PST), Phlip <...@gmail.com
On Nov 7, 6:53 pm, Mitchell Holman <...@comcast.net
Then, to prove it, the Israelites found a guy out in the wilderness,
who wasn't even of their tribe, and who was just gathering sticks.
They stoned him.
But, again, we see Jesus turning the corner on the old testament. I
suspect that the NT was supposed to stand alone, and it was the First
Council of Nicea, long after the Roman crackdown on the Jews, that
bonded the two testaments together, forming the Bible we recognize. A
lot of great Gnostic stuff got left out, too, of course - including
plenty of Jesus legends that factually predated 32 BCE.
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:48:22 GMT, fasgnadh <...@yahoo.com.au
Mitchell Holman came prematurely:
Atheists now agree Jesus was real, they just argue over
their projected notions of his 'politics' B^]
Fascism didn't exist for centuries.. 'fascisti' - bound sticks
see Mussolini.
There is nothing in your quote about a gulag
There is no mention of Hell in your quote
No mention of an eternal oven in your quote,
and YOU fabricated the bit about 'lake of Fire'!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAA
Now people can see why I ask you liars for VERBATIM quotes...
you are so stupid you can't understand what you read and
so DISHONEST you distort it anyway;
Not by a country mile! YOU are done, as another atheist liar! B^]
Atheists, they spend half their time denying Jesus exists and
the other half LYING about what he says!
No mention of Hell, in fact YOU have added"The Lake of Fire"
and changed the meaning.. the Gospel according to Shreak-wank!
It's a METAPHOR with Living, Fruiting Trees and DEADWOOD.. like you!
"If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch
^^^^^^^
that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up,
thrown into the fire and burned. If you remain in Me and
My words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it
will be given you. This is to My Father's glory,
that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be
My disciples."
So, just as those who ignore Jesus are said to
be LIKE deadwood [they do not actually bercome TIMBER
you fucking NITWIT! B^] so those who live in the spirit
are said to bear FRUIT.. ie to be fruitful.. and he ain't
talking apples and pears you fruitcake!!! B^D
Can any of you brain dead CRETINS spell M-E-T-A-P-H-O-R ? B^D
So if someone does not follow Jesus they are LIKE deadwood,
...as your idiotic posts show...
with no other use than being metaphorical firewood. B^D
Thanks for illustrating Jesus' point! B^D
Ah well, at least we have atheists taking Jesus seriously
and arguing he exists! B^D
Ok... for those of you with short attention spans
I have ignored the rest of your post.
It was all GIGO and idiotic misrepresentations!
Thanks.. and your lying atheist crony is exposed as a fraud! B^]
Bonus points! B^D
There are only two things wrong with your argument;
1. I'm not a Christian,
just better read than any dumbfuck lying atheist and
2. he didn't quote scripture.. he MADE IT UP! B^p
Which leaves him with that white egg-like white stuff on his face..
it could be from you wanking with over-excitement.. or perhaps
he's waiting for his little bitch to lick it off..
off you go.. you sad little atheist arse licker.
A bit early for Jesus, you moron! B^D
Lenin, Mao Stalin.. knew bugger all about Marxism.
They hadn't even read the Grundrisse!
None of them had read much more than the Manifesto..
as Lenin explained, they were anti-theist atheists;
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
and atheistic communism became as popular as dogshit sandwiches.
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alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode= source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_10018 74c.jpg
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:09:38 -0600, Mitchell Holman <...@comcast.net
fasgnadh <...@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
snipped by "fasgnadh", restored below.
"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day
shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD .
Whoever does any work on it must be put to death."
Exodus 35:2.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should
reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
Luke 19:27
That's your Jesus, all right............
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:32:58 GMT, fasgnadh <...@yahoo.com.au
How embarrassing for the atheist liars!
How embarrassing for the atheist liars!
How embarrassing for the atheist liars!
How embarrassing for the atheist liars!
How embarrassing for the atheist liars!
How embarrassing for the atheist liars!
B^D Atheists don't know their OT from their NT or
their arse from their elbow!
How embarrassing for the atheist liars!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA
It's the last line of QUOTED DIALOGUE spoken by a King
in a STORY Jesus is telling, you poor, sad, knuckle-
dragging little atheist Cretin!
Luke 19 the Parable of the Gold Coins
(- story time for atheist INFANTS and liars: ;-)
11While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a
parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the
kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12He said: "A man of noble
birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then
to return. 13So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten
minas.[a]'Put this money to work,' he said, 'until I come back.'
14"But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say,
'We don't want this man to be our king.'
15"He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the
servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they
had gained with it.
16"The first one came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned ten more.'
17" 'Well done, my good servant!' his master replied. 'Because you
have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.'
18"The second came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned five more.'
19"His master answered, 'You take charge of five cities.'
20"Then another servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your mina; I have
kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21I was afraid of you, because
you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what
you did not sow.'
22"His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked
servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did
not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then didn't you put my
money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it
with interest?'
24"Then he said to those standing by, 'Take his mina away from him and
give it to the one who has ten minas.'
25" 'Sir,' they said, 'he already has ten!'
26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be
given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be
taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king
over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
How embarrassing for the atheist liars!
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alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode= source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_10018 74c.jpg
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:16:32 -0600, Virgil <...@home.esc
In article <...@news-server.bigpond.net.au fasgnadh <...@yahoo.com.au
Atheists and agnostics only agree that "Jesus"MIGHT have been a real
person.
Then why have I just been able to snip so much Xtain propaganda from
your post?
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:15:39 +0000, ZerkonXXXX <...@erkonx.net
One committed to reality discovers the two are not mutually exclusive.
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