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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:24:40 +0100, Jim Mason <...@removethisukonline.co.uk
In article <...@news.qwest.netsays...
The relevance to a.c.n being what?
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:00:20 +0000, Larry <...@home.com
David Moyer <...@news.qwest.net:
IBM's betting Apple will have cut and paste before this puppy ever
happens.....(c;
Maybe CTRL-C and CTRL-P? No, that won't work, no control clicker on the
Etch-A-Sketch keyboard. Hmm....Maybe iNotes will be later than we
think....
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:12:57 -0700, Steve de Mena <...@stevedemena.com
"no big surprise considering how popular it has become in the enterprise."
You're joking, no?
Steve
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:01:36 +0000, Larry <...@home.com
Steve de Mena <...@giganews.com:
Ok, ok...everybody quit rolling around under their computer desk....(c;
No, Steve, he's dead serious. He thinks it's a business machine. Sad,
isn't it?
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On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 04:25:25 +0000, Larry <...@home.com
Alan Baker <...@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net:
They used to think our Systems 34 was a business machine, too! We proved
them wrong on many occasions....(c;
Many years later, a local Catholic church gave me a complete System 34 with
OS and manufacturing softwares. I kept it for a couple of years but needed
the warehouse for other stuff so we pushed it up in my van, after stripping
some beautiful power supply parts out of it. We backed the van up to a
huge dumpster, put down the ramp from the truck to the lip of the dumpster
and unceremoniously dumped a couple of hundred grand of IBM minicomputer, 6
terminals, a chain printer and some terminal equipment....into the trash.
One of the 14" platters from one of the fixed disk drives and an 8" hard-
sectored monster floppy are in a nice frame a friend provided on my wall, a
bit of IBM history. I think I remember the huge hard drives, two of them
in my unit, that took 3-phase 208VAC at about 70A to power the main CPU
with its drives, were something like 84MB...megabytes with the M, not
G...that stored what the 16K of RAM wanted to save...(c; I don't remember,
quite, but I think RAM was magnetic cores in holes on PC board frames, but
I can't quite remember that. By the simplest standards of today, it was
nothing.
The first memory storage I ever saw was also IBM. It was an 8 kilobyte
memory drum the size of a Volkswagen, and about as heavy. 8K! We weren't
allowed to go into the room where it was operating, only look through a big
window Cornell University had installed for observation. The slightest
movement caused it to crash hard requiring some really expensive repairs.
Yes, I can see iPhone may fascinate IBM as a business machine...(c;
....just hope some young IBM whippersnapper doesn't notice its Xerox GUI
interface....inventors of Windoze...(c;
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On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:35:22 -0700, Miles <...@REMOVEMEpacbell.net
Why do you and so many others when talking about iPhones include
alt.cellular.nokia in your distribution? Nokia is unrelated to IPhone
and your msgs clutter up the newsgroup.
Miles
* David Moyer wrote, On 8/8/2008 01:50:
> http://snipurl.com/3css0 [www_appleinsider_com]
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On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:36:03 -0700, Miles <...@REMOVEMEpacbell.net
Why do you and so many others when talking about iPhones include
alt.cellular.nokia in your distribution? Nokia is unrelated to IPhone
and your msgs clutter up the newsgroup.
Miles
* David Moyer wrote, On 8/8/2008 01:50:
> http://snipurl.com/3css0 [www_appleinsider_com]
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:37:50 -0700 (PDT), eatfastnoodle <...@gmail.com
On Aug 8, 3:50 am, David Moyer <...@world.com
IBM is fundamentally a hardware company. Their software sucks, plain
and simple. Lotus might be a huge deal 10 years ago. But it isn't much
today. And IBM's awful record with software doesn't help.
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:05:22 -0400, "Bill" <...@bellsouth.net
I take offence to 'Their software sucks, plain
and simple.'
You must be a PC person, and have no clue they are the largest software
company in the world.
Do you remember the census?
How about voting records.
How about the Moon??
As far as Lotus, well I am not impressed with that, but they did not write
it.
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:15:02 -0700 (PDT), eatfastnoodle <...@gmail.com
On Aug 8, 7:05 pm, "Bill" <...@bellsouth.net
I work on high performance computing. While I agree their stuff that
often built with hardware as a bundle is good. Their record with stuff
that people use in day to day bases is ugly.
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On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 04:34:33 +0000, Larry <...@home.com
eatfastnoodle <...@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
I have a friend who is a field service engineer with EMC. While snooping
through his van at all the neat, but amazingly expensive, hardware for
their Symmetrix massive storage boxes, he handed me a rather normal-looking
IBM standard sized PC hard drive mounted in an EMC hot-swap frame.
"Ok, what so special about this one?"
"It turns 100,000 RPM and is the fastest hard drive available.", he said
offhandedly. As he had 6 of them in the van, I tried to sneak away with
the one in my hand but didn't get halfway across the parking lot before he
caught up to me....(c;
Imagine how fast a 100,000 RPM drive reads and writes sectors next time
you're staring at your PC or Mac's drive lite waiting to get control back
from the disk wait state....compared to your cheap 7200 RPM slow boat to
China.
The drive was only 80GB.....but no waiting!
Very cool indeed, especially when two of them mirror the data on that
massive EMC memory card between them that is solidly packed with SIP memory
so fast the fastest NT system is so slow they have to put wait states in
the Symmetrix to keep from overrunning it...(c;
There's a pretty good chance this message was stored on a Symmetrix
refridgerator-sized storage box between us....
Wouldn't it be cool to have a hard drive box as fast as your supercomputer
CPU?
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:09:44 -0700, Steve de Mena <...@stevedemena.com
I don't know of any 100,000 RPM drives. From *any* vendor. And I
work with EMC Symmetrix's daily. The fastest drives they are pushing
now are the solid state drives. For non-solid state drives the
fastest are the 15k FC drives.
I don't buy that either. Data in RAM in a computer/server would
always move faster than any data that could come off of the Symmetrix.
Steve
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:22:06 -0700, Timberwoof <...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
In article <...@208.49.80.253 Larry <...@home.com
Imagine how fast a 100,000 RPM hard drive would fragment and cut you in
half.
Someone check my math here...
100,000 RPM = 1667 RPs = .0006 s/r
3.5" width ~ 3" platter = 76 mm diameter = .076 m diameter
Divide by 2 for a .038 m radius
Mix in some Pi for a .24 m circumference
.24 m / .0006 s = 400 m/s speed at the edge
a = v^2 / r
so
(400 m/s) ^ 2 / .04 m = 4,000,000 m^2/s
Divide by 10 m/s^2 (close enough to the acceleration of gravity for this)
and we get 400,000 G. That stretches credulity and any material I know
of. What's it made of?
For comparison, a 7200 RPM drive generates a force of ~2200 G at the
outer edge of the platters. Maybe he meant 10,000 RPM? That only
generates ~4300 G at the edge.
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot comPeople who can't spell get kicked out of Hogwarts.
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On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:26:26 -0700, Steve de Mena <...@stevedemena.com
I think it was all B.S. I don't even think EMC uses IBM drives (IBM
is a big storage competitor of theirs).
Steve
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 07:16:35 -0700 (PDT), eatfastnoodle <...@gmail.com
On Aug 9, 2:26 am, Steve de Mena <...@stevedemena.com
I think IBM has sold their storage business long time ago. Right now,
their hardware business comprises mainly of chips and mainframes.
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On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:53:02 -0700, Steve de Mena <...@stevedemena.com
Nope. Their storage business is going strong. IBM ESS "Shark", DS8000,
etc.
Steve
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