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On Sun, 10 May 2009 13:14:45 -0700, "Chuck" <...@cox.net
":Matt:" <...@4ax.com...
What's wrong with the Republican Party is it no longer gives people a clear
alternative to the leftist agenda of the Democratic Party, and it's voters
like you who, over the years, have helped it to become what it is today. So
I'm glad to here you won't be voting Republican anymore, Matt. It will make
it that much easier to reform the party back to its conservative principles
where it will provide a clear alternative for people when they see how much
harm liberal policies are doing to this country.
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On Sun, 10 May 2009 12:31:00 -0800, ":Matt:" <...@nsgmail.com
On Sun, 10 May 2009 13:14:45 -0700, "Chuck" <...@cox.netwrote:
So you agree with Cheney that Rush has the correct view of what the
republican party needs to be.
Personally I want it back to the way it was 20-30 years ago.
I don't know all of Powells views but Rush is not for me. You also
said your glad I will no longer vote republican looks like you want
all those that did not vote republican to never vote it again. If
that is also their view then the republican party can RIP.
Matt
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On Sun, 10 May 2009 16:15:08 -0700, "Chuck" <...@cox.net
":Matt:" <...@4ax.com...
To the extent that both Limbaugh and Cheney advise a return to actual
conservativism in the party, and a turning away from the "liberal-lite"
trend? Most definitely. If you don't give people a clear alternative, you
can't expect them to make a clear choice. People weren't given a clear
choice in the last election, and they had been indoctrinated by the media
with an eight year long drumbeat bashing the Republican Party that's
continuing at this writing. The only time the media likes a Republican or a
conservative is when they get to define them. To the media, McCain was a
conservative! So was Bush!!
I have no idea how you saw it 20-30 years ago, so that means nothing to me.
No, what I said implies the Republican Party would be better off without the
so-called "moderates" always trying to convert it into what the Democratic
Party was last election. And if the Republican Party doesn't begin to stand
on its principles, instead of reacting to what it sees as the politcally
expedient thing to do, it is RIP. That paradigm change will be easier to
accomplish without voters like you, Matt, who don't even seem to know what
those principles are, let alone understand why they are so important.
Maybe I'm wrong, but you seem to be a guy impressed by the cult of
personality found mostly in the Democratic Pary, which is why I think you'll
be much happier over there, and so will we.
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On Mon, 11 May 2009 09:18:40 -0800, ":Matt:" <...@nsgmail.com
On Sun, 10 May 2009 16:15:08 -0700, "Chuck" <...@cox.netwrote:
Well I do not like Rush's extreme views plus the fact he has 2
standards one for him and those like him "rich" and another for the
rest of us. If someone uses drugs put them in jail and throw away the
key. He did not apply that to himself.
As to the media yes they are all biased including Fox. Msnbc and Cnn.
They all have a agenda so you read/watch them with a grain of salt. I
get my news from many sources. Getting to the basic truth is a thing
we lost when big business got to much control over the media. I do
know one thing if any of them start running 24 a day scandals like
Jackson we had better watch what Washington is doing.
McCain a conservative. I always though he was whatever the audience
wanted at the time.
Bush well I always considered him a puppet of someone. Don't know who
but never thought he had enough brains for the job.
If you think I agree with all Obama is doing you are wrong VERY. I
see people hurting and who does he worry about Wall Street making
profit. When I was in Seattle a few weeks ago, they took me to see
the tent city and there were young children living there. The trickle
down effect does not work. To me it says give me a tax break and I
will use the extra profit to move my factory/business to another
country.
Well back then if I recall correctly the wanted less Government in our
lives. Less taxes for all. They were not rapped so tight with the
extreme Christian left that they could not make a move without a may
we please. They were also more willing to do what was best for the
country no matter who sponsored the bill.
Well your right I don't understand how you could think people like
Cheney, Ruch and this Ann coulter are modle republicans. Not being a
extremest is not the same as being a moderate except to a extremest.
I'm sure the Taliban Imams say something simular to those who do not
blindly follow.
LOL Sorry but when in Seattle was told the opposite. I like to
believe I have a little common sense and don't believe the reteric
from either party. I think the common good is more important than
reteric. Maybe I'm just behind the times
Matt
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On Mon, 11 May 2009 20:24:59 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <...@lycos.com
In news...@4ax.com,
:Matt: <...@nsgmail.com
What is "reteric"? Whatever it is, it is not in my dictionary, as little
as the words "extremest" and "modle". Did you probably mean "noodle"?
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On Mon, 11 May 2009 10:59:20 -0800, ":Matt:" <...@nsgmail.com
On Mon, 11 May 2009 20:24:59 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<...@lycos.com
Oh Vera dearest did I misspell a word oh oh my bad should be
"Rhetoric" is that better.
You say you don't attack the person but want only truth here. Guess
what you are both a TROLL and a LIAR.
I do like the fact you could only find a misspelled word to attack.
My good LOL
Be Well Dearest Vera Phelps
Matt
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On Mon, 11 May 2009 21:32:36 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <...@lycos.com
In news...@4ax.com,
:Matt: <...@nsgmail.com
Actually there were several.
Oh, another vicarious confession - thanks!
Yes, truth, but I can expect that the words you are using are in a
dictionary. You could use a spell check like all the others do. But
being anti-social as you are, I do not really expect that, but I am
happy that you prove yourself the illiterate you are.
Actually I could not even understand what you posted - due to your
illiterate version of what comes out of your empty brain, neither would
I be interested in an opinion about politics from such a one like you.
Actually Phelps is an American like you, not a German. People like
Phelps are only possible in your country, not in mine. But thanks for
proving your stupidity once again.
Oh, and Matt, you are surely eternal - eternally dumb.
--
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http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de
http://the-beauty-of-the-psalms.blogspot.com
http://jesus-christ-is-my-lord-and-my-god.blogspot.com
http://bible-prophecy-and-revelation.blogspot.com/
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On Mon, 11 May 2009 12:38:22 -0800, ":Matt:" <...@nsgmail.com
On Mon, 11 May 2009 21:32:36 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<...@lycos.com
LOL I'm sure there are. Vera the thought and grammar police LOL
Yes a confession of what you do and say are lies.
LOL Actually I post to communicate not to impress people. I'm sure
Chuck knew what I was trying to communicate. You Vera dearest just
saw a opportunity to throw another wire hanger. Your such a TROLL
your picture even looks like one.
Being a German I care less what you think of American politics Hitler
lost the war.
My mistake it should read Vera Phelps Hitler.
Well like many things that depends on who I am being compared to. You
make me look like a genius
Be Well Dearest troll
Matt
snipped because the webmaster Vera is such a hypocrite and liar
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On Mon, 11 May 2009 12:50:40 -0800, ":Matt:" <...@nsgmail.com
On Mon, 11 May 2009 22:33:39 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<...@lycos.com
Thanks for proving Vera's point about Her eternal dumbness. ROTFL
Vera quit stalking me.
snipped because the webmaster Vera is such a hypocrite and liar as
well as her eternal dumbness.
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On Mon, 11 May 2009 13:17:44 -0800, ":Matt:" <...@nsgmail.com
On Mon, 11 May 2009 22:52:03 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<...@lycos.com
Vera are you drinking again?
snipped because the webmaster Vera is such a hypocrite and liar as
well as her eternal dumbness. Sad but true
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On Tue, 12 May 2009 08:31:14 -0800, ":Matt:" <...@nsgmail.com
On Tue, 12 May 2009 00:08:53 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<...@lycos.com
I don't think I have been drunk since college, If memory serves I was
a quiet drunk. Not at all like you seem to be now a loudmouth drunk
or is that loud fingered drunk. LOL
Maybe you just forgot your rabies shot.
Well whatever reason stop stalking me.
nipped because the webmaster Vera is such a hypocrite and liar as
well as her eternal dumbness. Sad but true
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On Tue, 12 May 2009 11:11:15 -0800, ":Matt:" <...@nsgmail.com
On Tue, 12 May 2009 20:29:26 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<...@lycos.com
Not really I am trying to have a discussion or debate with Chuck. You
on the other hand found a mis-spelled word and went on the attack like
the Rabid female dog you are. When you post people hear wooof woof
see drool all over you face.
Stop stalking me rabid one. VERA STOP
Matt
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On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:31:14 -0700, "Chuck" <...@cox.net
":Matt:" <...@4ax.com...
Example of an "extreme" Limbaugh view?
As I understand it, and I haven't looked into it in any great depth,
Limbaugh takes prescription pain killers for a physical condition he has.
He doesn't take the drugs to get "high", nor does he buy them on the street
from some drug dealer who is part of one of the drug cartels that are
killing people right and left and destroying Mexico as a nation.
Now if all you can see in that situation is that he takes drugs, and this
puts him on a par with crack addicts, or heroine addicts, then like I said,
you'll probably be happier as a Democrat.
That's true, but Fox didn't speand eight years hounding our president as if
he were some kind of criminal, when all he was doing was trying to keep
Americans safe at home...which just happens to be the main part of his job
description!
Having listened as you relate your opinions on the "news" you get, I've got
to tell you it seems that either those sources are prettty bad, or you're
not processing the data very well.
Right now, for example, you've got one of the biggest corruption scandals in
history brewing with Immelt and Obama being in bed together to force the
American taxpayer to underwrite GE for the next couple of decades, and I'd
bet a dollar to a donut you've never heard a word about it.
Immelt has run GE into the ground during his tenure as CEO. He started in
2001, and GE closed at $40.98 a share. Today, after eight years of Immelt's
brand of leadership, which included fulfilling contracts with Iran as they
supplied IED's that killed our troops in Iraq for YEARS, it closed down $.34
to $14.19, for a net return on investment for GE shareholders of MINUS
289%!!!!!!!!!
This guy, who OWNS NBC and all of its affiliates (MSNBC, CNBC, etc.), which
can't say enough good things about Obama, now sits on Obama's advisory board
for his stimulus packages. Obama's pushing for nationalizing
healthcare...Immelt just started up Healthymagination, structured to process
much of the expected bureaucratic red tape such a system would produce.
Obama's making "global warming" one of his top priorities - GE's getting
into the "cap and trade" business as well. Wherever Obama looks, there is
Immelt with his catcher's mitt, ready to receive all that new taxpayer cash
to underwrite his deficiencies as a CEO.
Now if he didn't own a news network that wasn't in bed with Obama, I'd say
there's only one hand here doing the washing, and write it off as
unfortunate appearances, but with NBC in the mix it's just too good not to
be what it looks like. There's just way too much smoke here for there not
to be any fire. It will be interesting to see how long it takes the Fourth
Estate to do its job.
I see you fell for the liberal hype. I don't care who you are or who you
know, you don't graduate from Yale if you're an idiot, nor does the Air
Force Reserve let you fly fighter jets over densely populated areas.
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/
If that doesn't scare the crap out of you, then either you're dying of
cancer and don't have any kids or you're on drugs. Oh, and btw, since this
graph was put together, the White House has revised their estimate for '09
to mirror exactly the CBO deficit projection that just last month was being
poo-pooed by Democratics as another "tactic" in the "vast conservative
conspiracy".
We're all entitled to our memories, I guess.
I don't understand what you think is so extreme about these people.
Maybe you just don't process things all that well. Maybe you're one of
these people who operates more on emotion than anything else. Maybe you
let strong emotions cloud your mind; make it so you can't think straight.
Maybe, maybe, maybe...baby ;-)
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On Tue, 12 May 2009 08:26:41 -0800, ":Matt:" <...@nsgmail.com
On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:31:14 -0700, "Chuck" <...@cox.netwrote:
Wanting the Presidents policies to fail even knowing thousands are
loosing jobs and many are becoming homeless even children. Personally
I would hope the man would put the good of the country above party
differences.
Well your facts are wrong again. NO I will not look it up for you.
Need to get off the Fox channel
Think I would be happier as a independent for now. Vote by who I
agree with not worship any party.
No because he was a republican. Look at it now yes they are hounding
the President.
OK
Yep I have like I said I do not agree with much of what has been done.
Bailouts are wrong. If we need to help people with their mortgages we
should help those that have them directly. Investments are like
gambling sometimes you win sometimes you loose.
Like I said there is much I do not agree with Obama about. What I am
saying is I do not need to agree with Rush to disagree with Obama. I
do not need either the Republican or Democratic party to tell me how
and what to think.
Just a thought but what I see wrong with both parties is that we are
limited in what we give to a individuals reelection campaign but we
can give much more directly to the party and that over the years has
hurt more than helped. It has kinda made the party like a dictator do
as we say or you will receive no money to help you get re-elected.
Everyone I hope is good at something or at least I hope. Watching him
give speeches is not liberal hype. It looked at times as if he had
trouble answering off the top questions.
Well like I have said over and over I do not even close to agreeing
with Obama I just think that Rush being a "Model republican" is sad
and a joke.
Yes both sides have a lot of people who think they are intellectuals
that spout out conspiracy theories. Think we should not allow lawyers
to run for office.
Yes the good old days
Point made.
I will admit seeing Children hungry and homeless does effect me
strongly as I think it should any Christian.
I'm not a robot. I think this country was founded on both logic and
emotion.
What it comes down to some now is just Money and profits. Sad that.
Are their any Christian here that disagree other than yourself I
wonder
Matt
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On Tue, 12 May 2009 14:40:38 -0700, "Chuck" <...@cox.net
":Matt:" <...@4ax.com...
Limbaugh believes the President's policies are going to ruin the nation, and
they probably are. In that context, him saying he hopes the President will
fail, is him saying he hopes the President isn't successful in ruining the
country. Is saying you hope the country isn't ruined by bad policies an
"extreme view' in your opinion?
It's called political dissent, Matt, and it's something that goes on every
day on both sides. How many times did the Democrats try to obstruct Bush?
You think that was them demonstrating how they wanted him to succeed? Is
Limbaugh more "extreme" because he expresses the idea, or are the Democrats
more extreme in ACTING on the idea?
Come on, Matt....THINK! Don't just regurgitate talking points that struck
some emotional chord in you. Obama, regardless of the hype, is NOT going to
house the homeless or feed the hungry any better than any other President
has done, and if he tries, he's going to tank the economy so bad there won't
BE any tax revenue to pay for his new welfare vision.
Facts: Limbaugh is addicted, or was addicted (you never really stop being
addicted, you just stop using) to prescription pain killers he began taking
after an unsuccessful back surgery, and which he obtained by "doctor
shopping". The "source" for this fact is Limbaugh himself.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/10/10/rush.limbaugh/
http://suzieqq.wordpress.com/2009/03/09/limbaughs-drug-addiction-and-healthcare -debate/
There are no other incriminating "facts" here. Just a lot of hostile,
self-serving media ennuendo and hype. You might try factoring into your
"thinking" here the fact no one outed him as an addict, he brought it all
out in th open himself, and that every media outlet that trashed him and
convicted him by ennuendo in public had a potential for gain in so doing.
Rush Limbaugh has been taking on the political bias in the media for YEARS,
and this was payback time.
Of course, what his drug addiction has to do with his political philosophy
is a complete mystery. Clinton was getting blow jobs under the desk in the
Oval Office...then denying it UNDER OATH. He's a blatant sexual addict.
Did that have something to do with his political philosophy? I see his ("I
had no idea") lying wife is our Secretary of State.
When Limbaugh runs for President or other high office that's when I'll
factor in the fact he's a recovering addict, and any other character flaws
he may have, not before. As long as all he does is advocate for and against
policy positions taken by current and past administrations, his personal
problems are no concern of mine, because that advocacy should stand or fall
on the merits of the policy being advocated for, not the character of the
promoter who has no part in turning them from theory into actual
practice...unless, of course, you're Jeff Immelt, in which case you're in a
fine position to do both!
Which brings me back to my earlier observation about how you're one of those
people vulnerable to the cult of personality that is the backbone of the
Democratic party. You're all about personal issues, and dragging them into
a political debate, which is a very good reason why you should jump parties,
and why I encourage you to do so before another election goes by.
Finally, we've been through this before, but you're slow, so I'll say it
again: if you make the claim, it's up to YOU to support it with facts if
it's truth is questioned, NOT the one who questions it. If I don't question
what you say, you can say whatever you want without backing it up, but if I
question it, then it's up to YOU to show what you've said is true. Now
there are certain exceptions here. If you say the world isn't flat, and I
question you, you probably have the right to brush me off, but then, I'm
never going to question you about something that is obviously true like
that.
Again, the penchant you have for cultic thinking, for framing things in a
cultic context rears it's ugly head, inserting the uncalled for and
inappropriate concept of "worshipping" a party, instead of the reality of
simply belonging to one because it's political position closely reflect your
own. A perfect example of a complete misconstrual of what a political party
is when you're talking about the one you're leaving. Do what you want,
Matt, but you're definitely Democratic material.
That's an insulting thing to say to me, Matt. It assumes I'm dumb enough
and ill-informed enough to believe it. Save the absurdities for your
liberal friends, if you don't mind.
On NBC? CBS? ABC? Fox? Come on, you can say...we already know anyway.
like I said I do not agree with much of what has been done.
Who was suggesting otherwise? Did I suggest political parties exist to tell
you, or anyone what to think? Did I suggest you need to agree with Rush to
disagree with Obama? Well, actually, since Limbaugh disagrees with
virtually everything Obama says or does, it would be almost impossible to
disagree with Obama WITHOUT agreeing with Rush, but this is a special case.
My issue with you, Matt, is the way in which you fail to think things
through most of the time, so that even when we agree I'm leary of why we
agree. You approach things in a much too emotional fashion for me, which is
another reason I think you'd be happier as a Democrat.
It's always been like that, Matt. Political parties exist to get their
candidates elected. They solicit contributions for that purpose all the
years there are in between elections. Obama can't, at the moment, go around
directly soliciting political contributions for his re-election campaign in
2012, but the Democratic Party is out there 24/7 fund raising for him. If
he doesn't do as they say, he's not going to be their candidate next time
(actually, with the political realities what they are, he'd have to have an
approval rating in single digits for that to happen, but I think you get the
point). It really has nothing to do with any difference between how much we
can give directly to a campaign and how much we can give to a party. The
party has ALWAYS had the bigger bucks.
And what's so "intellectual" about reading a teleprompter? Have you ever
actually listened to Obama off script?
The classic of all time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBX8sz3tO8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU2Yv-rnJEo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFwko58Nsfk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV1sxq8mqvA
There are a BUNCH more (babies "punish" unwed mothers, can't remember the
name of the guy interviewing him, "DOMA" is not the Defense AGAINST Marriage
Act Obama thinks, etc.), but because of the profanity of the added
commentary by the video makers, or the repetition of some of the clips, I
chose not ot include them. Suffice to say that if flat out lying to your
face, and making stupid remarks is the subject, then Barack is the Man. Dan
Quayle misspells "potato" once in his life, and the media makes sure his
political career is over; he never lives it down. The Quayle jokes continue
to this day, and most of the people telling them have no idea what an
intellectual Quayle actually was, and is.
But Obama the Gaffe Machine? I have to go to YouTube to hear about them. I
have to do a search of the Internet to find them out. His career isn't
over, it's couldn't BE going any stronter than it is. What's the differnce?
Obama is slightly left of Stalin, and Quayle was slightly right of McCain.
THAT'S the difference in the news coverage.
So please, I don't want to hear any crapola about how both sides do it,
okay. There is noting equal about the present politiical climate in the
media in this country, or the way candidates for high office are treated
during their campaigns or while in office. Nothing.
But when the emotion becomes a hindrance to forumlating a good plan to solve
the problem that evokes the emotion, instead of motivating the mental effort
to solve the problem using the best possible plan, then the emotion is no
longer good. It has become an evil in that it has become counter-productive
to effective ministry.
Who does the patient bleeding to death more good: the one who faints dead
away at the sight of all that blood, or the one who knows first aid and
applies it; who is able to will the repression of that emotion because they
understand what it is and what great harm it can do.
Emotions have their place in life. Unfortunately, liberals never seem to
know where that is.
What else is a secular government regulating a free market economy supposed
to be about, Matt? This isn't church we're talking about. That you're
supposed to do on your own, and unless we give into the liberal worldview,
we'lll be lucky enough to live in a country where we are free and
economically able to continue to do it all on our own. The government,
stealing from the rich and giving to the poor isn't a moral substitute for
charity. Unfortunately, too many "Christians" are deluded into thinking it
is; that when the government forces you to pay taxes, and then funds a
welfare program with part of it, you've done your "Christian duty" to the
poor. What nonsense that is; what a dispicable pretense of love.
Government welfare programs destroys the blessing and beauty there is in the
one who has giving to the one who has not. It makes the giving empty and
meaningless for the giver, and it makes the receiving tainted and loathsome
for the receiver. This is why so many who are receiving welfare benefits
feel they are entitled to them, and more. It's a defense they erect to fend
off the taint they feel in taking the benefits. They're feeling bad, not
because the blessing of receiving a love gift to meet their needs has been
stolen from them by a government program, but because the payment should be
more than it is, or is too slow in coming, or takes too much paperwork, or
whatever.
If you start with a basic understanding of what love is, Matt, you
understand why government has to stay out of it; why government can't be
about loving our neighbor, or substitute for it. "From each according to
his ability, to each according to his need" is a wonderful Christian
goal...until it comes out of the mouth of a government official.. Then it's
called "Communism".
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