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Cover-up in OKC
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:32:23 -0500, Morgan <...@email.non
Cover-up in OKC
by William F. Jasper
In trying to pin the blame for the bombing solely on despicable
mass-murderer Timothy McVeigh, federal officials have ignored and
covered up evidence of a wider conspiracy.
Readers of The New American are familiar with many of the charges
leveled by Jannie Coverdale, Kathy Wilburn, Jane Graham, and others
personally affected by the Oklahoma City bombing (see page 12). The
extensive investigation carried out by this magazine over the past six
years has confirmed that their fears and charges of cover-up, coercion,
deception, and obstruction are fully justified.*
Our investigation has led to several major conclusions that completely
contradict the official government line, which holds that Timothy
McVeigh masterminded and carried out the terrorist assault on the Murrah
Building, with his only significant assistance coming from former Army
buddy Terry Nichols. Those conclusions, more fully examined in the
remainder of this article, are summarized in the following bullet points:
* Multiple Accomplices — Credible witnesses saw McVeigh with John
Does in Junction City, Kansas, where the Ryder truck was rented, in the
days before the bombing. Many additional credible witnesses saw McVeigh
with one or more John Does in Oklahoma City on the morning of the
bombing. Still more credible witnesses saw McVeigh with one or more John
Does in or around the Murrah Building in the days before the bombing. In
fact, the prosecution did not present any eye-witnesses in Oklahoma City
who saw McVeigh alone on the day of the bombing; virtually every
eyewitness saw him with one or more John Does.
* Multiple Bombs — Physics, the available forensic evidence,
official records, eyewitnesses, and an impressive array of world-class
experts compellingly argue that the Ryder truck bomb could not have
caused the terrible damage and deadly destruction of the federal
building without the help of explosive charges placed on the columns of
the building. This clearly put the bombing operation beyond McVeigh’s
level of technical expertise and necessitated two or more additional
accomplices.
* Prior Knowledge — Documents from the ATF, FBI, and U.S. Marshal’s
Service, as well as witness testimony and the testimony of federal
undercover informants, indicate that high officials in the federal
government were given prior warning about the impending attack on the
Murrah Federal Building.
* Misconduct, Coercion, and Cover-up — In an astonishing number of
instances, vital evidence was ignored, suppressed, tampered with, and
even destroyed. Witnesses were coached, harassed, and coerced in
attempts to get them to change their testimony.
Making the "John Does" Disappear
Many credible witnesses reported seeing another individual with McVeigh
strongly resembling the infamous sketch of John Doe #2. Among them,
Vickie Beemer, who handled the rental transaction of the Ryder truck
used in the bombing, informed the FBI of John Doe #2 only to have
investigators claim that she had mistaken him for a different man.
Shortly after the bombing, eyewitnesses provided the FBI with
descriptions of two suspects, which formed the basis for the famous FBI
sketches known as "John Doe No. 1" and "John Doe No. 2." The John Doe
No. 1 sketch turned out to be a pretty close depiction of Timothy
McVeigh, who was arrested by an Oklahoma Highway Patrolman on a routine
traffic stop as he fled north on the interstate highway after the
bombing. John Doe No. 2, who for weeks was the "world’s most wanted"
fugitive, was never arrested. Attorney General Janet Reno and FBI
officials swore that "no stone will be left unturned" in the pursuit of
this elusive suspect. Instead of turning over stones, however, the
Department of Justice and FBI were soon burying evidence and leads. The
DOJ-FBI sleuths soon concocted a cover story, still used by the media,
that John Doe 2 was a product of faulty memory and mistaken identity.
According to this story, the witnesses at the Ryder truck rental agency
in Junction City, Kansas, had mistakenly fingered Army Private Todd
Bunting, who had come in to rent a truck with Sergeant Michael Hertig
the day after McVeigh, and who had no connection to the bombing.
There were many problems with this story. For one, it conflicted, in
many details, with the original accounts provided by the three Ryder
witnesses to the FBI. Besides, Vickie Beemer, who handled the rental
transaction, knew Sgt. Hertig and was not likely to confuse him with a
stranger. What’s more, she remained steadfast in her sworn testimony
before the grand jury and the trial jury that she was "absolutely 100%
certain" that the "Robert Kling" who rented the Ryder truck used in the
bombing (whom the government says was McVeigh) was accompanied by
another individual.
Another major problem with the government theory is that even if the
Ryder witness mix-up story were true, there are still many additional
eyewitnesses who saw McVeigh with a man resembling the John Doe 2
sketch. And still more witnesses also saw McVeigh with several other
individuals immediately before the bombing. In any criminal case — and
especially in one this important, involving the "most deadly terrorist
attack on U.S. soil" — the prosecution normally desires to use
eyewitnesses who can establish the connection of the accused directly to
the crime, and particularly to the crime scene. Prior to the McVeigh
trial, the prosecution filed a list of 327 witnesses with the court.
Only 141 were called. Very few were eyewitnesses, and none placed
McVeigh in Oklahoma City. There were many witnesses who could have
placed him there. Why were they not called?
One of the eyewitnesses never called was Mike Moroz, who worked at a
tire store several blocks from the Murrah Building. Moroz picked McVeigh
out of the FBI lineup, providing identification that led to McVeigh’s
arraignment. According to Moroz and his co-worker, Brian Marshall,
McVeigh pulled the Ryder truck into the tire shop’s parking lot around
8:40 a.m., about 20 minutes before the explosion. Moroz spoke briefly to
McVeigh, who was driving, and also saw a passenger in the truck with
McVeigh.
About five minutes later, McVeigh stopped his truck in front of the
Regency Towers, one block west of the Murrah Building, and purchased two
sodas and a package of cigarettes from Danny Wilkerson, who ran the
Towers’ convenience store. The truck was caught on the Regency
surveillance tape. Wilkerson stated that a male passenger accompanied
McVeigh. This remained his death-bed testimony, when he died of cancer
in 1998.
Around 8:58 a.m., about five minutes before the explosion, Rodney
Johnson, a paramedic, was driving in front of the Murrah Building when
he was forced to brake for two men walking from the direction of the
Murrah Building to the parking lot across the street, where another
witness saw McVeigh and a John Doe get into McVeigh’s Mercury Marquis
and hurriedly drive away. Rodney Johnson notified the FBI that night,
and his description of the two suspects closely matched McVeigh and John
Doe No. 2 — before the FBI sketches were made public.
Many other important eyewitnesses saw McVeigh in or near the Murrah
Building with one or more John Does, including:
* Kyle Hunt, a Tulsa banker;
* Morris John Kuper, an employee of the nearby Kerr-McGee Oil Company;
* Debbie Nakanashi, a U.S. Postal Service employee;
* Dr. Paul Heath, a public affairs officer with the Veterans
Administration;
* Danielle Hunt, the former operator of the Murrah Building daycare
center;
* Priscilla Salyer, an employee of the U.S. Customs Service; and
* Germaine Johnson, a HUD branch chief.
Other eyewitnesses who saw Timothy McVeigh with John Does in the
Junction City, Kansas area, where he stayed before driving to Oklahoma
City, or who saw John Does in McVeigh’s motel room, include:
* Jeff Davis, who delivered Chinese food to McVeigh’s motel room;
* Hilda Sostre, a maid at the Dreamland Motel where McVeigh stayed;
* Joan Van Buren, a Subway sandwich clerk;
* Donald and Connie Hood, visitors at the Dreamland Motel; and
* Barbara Whittenberg, owner of the Santa Fe Trail Diner.
How compelling is the cumulative eyewitness testimony? According to John
Douglas, the FBI’s legendary criminal personality profile expert, it is
very compelling. Mr. Douglas, the author of the nonfiction bestsellers
Mind Hunter and Journey Into Darkness, is a 25-year veteran with the FBI
and a consultant to law enforcement agencies nationwide. He was
interviewed for the September 3, 1996 broadcast of NBC’s Dateline
segment on the bombing investigation. Douglas stated that based upon his
personality profiles of McVeigh and Nichols, as well as practical
considerations involved in building and delivering the truck bomb and
the compelling testimony of so many witnesses with no apparent motive
for lying, he is convinced there must be other co-conspirators.
According to Douglas: "I believe there has to be someone who looks like
the sketch because there are too many people who have looked at the
sketch and said ‘that’s who I saw on or about that day.’"
John Douglas suggested that "the FBI may be in trouble here. There are
other people involved in this and they’d better find them. I don’t know
what happened precisely, but I do know the criminal personality. But
when I look at Nichols and I look at McVeigh — these two people are
solely and exclusively responsible for this type of crime? I doubt it."
Later, in 1997, when this writer discussed the Oklahoma City bombing
case with Douglas, the famed consultant and crime fighter stated that
additional evidence and witnesses had made his earlier opinion even
stronger. "I think the government’s position, in light of all the
evidence to the contrary, is absurd," he said.
Science Is Silenced
Almost before the dust had cleared from the explosion, the official
government line was that the attack on the Murrah Building had involved
only a truck bomb, composed of ANFO (ammonium nitrate and fuel oil) and
parked on the street next to the building. From that point on, the
government story on the size and composition of the bomb mutated several
times to fit the official line. As the McVeigh trial was about to start,
the Department of Justice issued a report by the Office of the Inspector
General that particularly censured the work of Special Agent David
Williams of the FBI lab explosives unit, and Williams’ supervisor,
Thomas Thurman. Williams, the main explosives analyst for the
prosecution in this case, had grossly fudged evidence on all of the
major points: the size and composition of the truck bomb; the velocity
of the explosives; the type of detonator used; the containers that
supposedly were used; and the presence of explosive residue on clothing
and other articles belonging to Timothy McVeigh. The Inspector General’s
critique found that Williams’ forensic report was flawed, unscientific,
biased, improper, unjustified, invalid, and appeared "to tailor the
opinion to evidence associated with the defendants."
Long before this, however, many genuine experts had already concluded
that it would have been physically impossible for the truck bomb alone
to have accomplished the massive structural destruction of the heavy
concrete, steel-reinforced columns. The evidence pointed overwhelmingly,
they insisted, to the detonation of high-explosive contact charges on
the columns inside the building. This stellar group of experts includes
legendary physicist and defense analyst Sam Cohen, inventor of the
neutron bomb; Brigadier General Benton K. Partin, former director of the
Air Force Armaments Technology Laboratory; Dr. Frederick Hansen,
professor of physics at the University of Oregon, former research
scientist with NASA, and former head of earth and astro sciences at the
General Motors Defense Research Laboratories; Dr. Ernest B. Paxson, an
engineer with over 30 years’ experience in civilian and defense-related
projects and a published author in many professional journals; and Dr.
Robert G. Breene, author, former professor of physics, and formerly a
visiting scientist at the Max Planck Institute in Germany.
In addition to the authoritative assessments of these and other experts,
there is the equally compelling testimony provided by eyewitnesses;
official police, military, and fire department logs; and television
video coverage showing that there were additional internal charges
within the Murrah Building that failed to detonate and that were later
removed by bomb squads. (See, "Proof of Multiple Bombs," in our issue
for July 20, 1998.) This matter could have been settled with finality if
an independent, technically competent analysis of the crime scene and
the forensic evidence — especially from the concrete columns — had been
allowed. But, incredibly, one month after the bombing, before such an
evaluation could be made, the crime scene and evidence were destroyed,
as the building was imploded by commercial demolition blasters. Then the
massive evidence of the crime scene was hauled away and buried. This
happened at the very time that heated arguments in the O.J. Simpson
trial, "the trial of the century," centered on charges that the Los
Angeles Police Department had failed to preserve the crime scene and
other important evidence in that case. It is elementary doctrine and
procedure to preserve the crime scene and preserve evidence; why in
this, of all cases, was there such a rush to destroy the evidence?
Prior Warning
On the morning of April 19, 1995, the second anniversary of the federal
assault on the Branch Davidian church complex in Waco, the ATF office at
the Murrah Building was all but abandoned. Had they been warned of a
possible attack? Compelling evidence led many survivors to begin asking
questions about this. Bruce Shaw rushed to the building immediately
after the blast to try to find his wife, an employee with the Federal
Credit Union. In an interview with this reporter, and in sworn
affidavits, Shaw said he was informed by an ATF agent at the scene that
the ATF staff had been warned on their pagers not to come in. Two
paramedics at the scene, in separate incidents, also reported hearing
similar statements from ATF agents. The paramedics, Katherine Mallette
and Tiffany Bible, have provided sworn affidavits of their testimony.
The ATF responded immediately, claiming "malicious rumors" of prior ATF
warning "are entirely false." The ATF rushed to cover the fact that only
two, three, or five (depending on which account one takes) of the
agency’s 17 employees were in the office that morning. ATF spokesman
Lester Martz presented an apocryphal tale of ATF heroism to counter the
mounting concern, claiming that Agent Alex McCauley was in an elevator
with a DEA agent when the bomb exploded. "The elevator dropped in a free
fall from the eighth floor to the third," said Martz. "The two men were
trapped in the smoke-filled elevator.... On their fourth attempt, they
managed to break through the doors and escape from the elevator. The
agents made their way to the stairwell and brought with them 10 or 15
people they found along the way...."
This ludicrous scenario soon proved to be a lie, and an embarrassment to
the ATF. The New American interviewed Oscar Johnson, the president of
Midwestern Elevator, and his technicians who were at the Murrah Building
minutes after the blast. They certified that "none of the elevators
fell," and that "all of the elevators’ cables were intact." They
presented photographs and their official reports to back up their
assertions. Johnson and other elevator experts we consulted assured us
that although the elevator free fall is a staple of Hollywood action
films, "it is not something that happens in real life." Moreover, as
Johnson pointed out, if a free fall of five stories had occurred, those
inside would have suffered severe injuries. (See "Prior Knowledge," in
our issue for December 11, 1995.)
At least two undercover federal informants repeatedly warned federal
authorities weeks in advance of the April 19, 1995 attack of specific
plots to blow up federal buildings: Carol Howe, an ATF informant in
"Elohim City," a rural enclave providing refuge to violent criminals and
members of the Aryan Republican Army, the Ku Klux Klan, and Aryan
Nation; and Cary Gagan, an informant for the U.S. Justice Department
amongst a group of narco-terrorists operating through Mexico that
included foreign nationals of Middle Eastern extraction, as well as
domestic Caucasian-Americans. Both Howe and Gagan had formal, written
agreements with federal authorities, and both provided substantial
documentary evidence to back up their claims that they had provided
ample warning to their federal superiors to have foreseen and prevented
the devastating attack. (See "Undercover: The Howe Revelations" in our
September 15, 1997 issue, and "Fighting for Answers in OKC" in our issue
for August 4, 1997.)
Obstructing Justice
We have already mentioned the incredible destruction of the Murrah
Building crime scene and the Inspector General’s report on the
fraudulent FBI analysis of the truck bomb. Decorated FBI scientist Dr.
Frederick Whitehurst has charged that the abuses at the FBI Crime Labs
are serious, conscious, and systemic. Senator Charles Grassley was far
more critical than the IG report, suggesting that criminal charges
against FBI agents may be in order.
Title 18 USCS 1512 provides criminal penalties for intimidation,
physical force or misleading conduct directed at a witness. Other
sections of the code provide additional penalties for other forms of
conduct aimed at falsifying, misrepresenting, or improperly influencing
a witness. Penalties would seem to be in order with regard to FBI and
DOJ treatment of many OKC witnesses, including: Jeffrey Davis; Danny
Wilkerson; Debbie Burdick; Jane Graham; Arlene Blanchard; Morris John
Kuper; Paul Heath; David Kochendorfer; James Miller; Kimberly Tolson;
Russell Stuart Green; Lana Padilla; Barbara Whittenberg; Eldon Elliot;
Vickie Beemer; and Tom Kessinger.
As important as the sins of commission in the OKC bombing case are, it
may prove that the FBI’s and DOJ’s sins of omission are even greater.
Following the Nichols trial, Kathy Wilburn made an issue of the fact
that the FBI had only checked the more than 1,000 fingerprints in the
case against a very small number of suspects (12), many of whom were
members of the Nichols family (including two-year-old Nicole Nichols).
They had, however, refused to run checks on prime suspects such as
Andreas Strassmeir, Dennis Mahon, Michael Brescia, Tony and Peter Ward,
Chevie and Cheyne Kehoe, Mark Thomas, and others. Wilburn said FBI Agent
John Hersley told her that they would run the prints later. The Justice
Department, though, has announced that there is no on-going
investigation and "no evidence" of other suspects in the case.
http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/oklahomacity.shtml
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:05:24 -0500, "marcodbeast" <...@casual.com
K00k-a-d00dle-d000!
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:50:06 +0000, Dim Light From Above <...@aliens.org
Shhh. The cows don't know the farmer's coming to milk them.
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Nakamichi Carver Energy JBL Bose Kef Bogan AKAI Tascam
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:15:56 -0500, Morgan <...@email.non
It was also the Jewish mafia that financed the the ATF agents and they
used them in the WTC, thanks :)
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:41:50 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 23, 9:15 am, Morgan <...@email.non
Holy CRAP, and you're the kookazoid who just complained about people
"who cannot articulate
arguments based on reason and logical analysis???"
BWAHAHAAAHAAAHAAHHAAAAA!!!!
It's always da joooooooooooos!!!
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:23:07 -0400, BDK <...@sanity.com
In article <b754d7ce-3bd0-4988-9b26-463b79846b10
@w31g2000prd.googlegroups.com
Jooos: The kooktard/bigot's #1 target.
Always.
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BDK
BDK Klan leader?
Former #1 kOOk Magnet (Title passed to Larnrod!)
NJJ CLUB #1
Shillmaster
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:33:54 -0500, Morgan <...@email.non
The analysis was provided however Jewish criminals reject it, which is
understandable.
Bomb Damage Analysis Of Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
July 30, 1995
by Benton K. Partin
Brigadier Gen. USAF (Ret.)
8908 Captains Row, Alexandria, Virginia 22308
703-780-7652
On April 19, 1995, the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, Oklahoma City,
Oklahoma was bombed, causing extensive damage to the structure, the loss
of 168 innocent lives, the victimization of the families of those who
lost loved ones, hundreds of non-fatal injuries, and substantial
property damage in the vicinity.
The media and the Executive branch reported that the sole source of the
devastation was a single truck bomb consisting of 4,800 pounds of
ammonium nitrate, transported to the location in a Ryder Truck and
parked in front of the building. It is impossible that the destruction
to the building could have resulted from such a bomb alone.
To cause the damage pattern that occurred to the Murrah building, there
would have to have been demolition charges at several supporting column
bases, at locations not accessible from the street, to supplement the
truck bomb damage. Indeed, a careful examination of photographs showing
the collapsed column bases reveals a failure mode produced by demolition
charges and not by a blast from the truck bomb.
To understand what caused the damage to the Murrah Building, one needs
to understand some basics about the use and nature of explosives.
First, blast through air is a very inefficient energy coupling mechanism
against heavily reinforced concrete beams and columns.
Second, blast damage potential initially falls off more rapidly than an
inverse function of the distance cubed. That is why in conventional
weapons development, one seeks accuracy over yield for hard targets.
That is also why in the World Trade Center bombing (where the only
source of blast damage was a truck bomb) the column in the middle of the
bombed-out cavity was relatively untouched, although reinforced concrete
floors were completely stripped away for several floors above and below
the point of the bomb's detonation (see Time Magazine, 3-8-93, page 35).
By contrast, heavily reinforced concrete structures can be destroyed
effectively through detonation of explosives in contact with the
reinforced concrete beams and columns. For example, the entire building
remains in Oklahoma City were collapsed with 100-plus relatively small
charges inserted into drilled holes in the columns. The total weight of
all charges was on the order of 200 pounds.
The detonation wave pressure (1,000,000 to 1,500,000 pounds per square
inch) from a high detonation velocity contact explosive sweeps into the
column as a wave of compressive deformation. Since the pressure in the
wave of deformation far exceeds the yield strength of the concrete
(about 3,500 pounds per square inch) by a factor of approximately 300,
the concrete is turned into granular sand and dust until the wave
dissipates to below the yield strength of the concrete. This leaves a
relatively smooth but granular surface, with protruding, bare
reinforcement rods__a distinctive signature of damage by contact
explosives. The effect of the contact explosive on the reinforcement
rods themselves can only be seen under microscopic metallurgical
examination. (The rods are inertially confined during the explosion and
survive basically in tact because of their much higher yield strength
and plasticity.)
When a reinforced concrete structure is damaged through air shock
coupling and the pressure is below the compressive yield strength of the
concrete, the failure mode is generally compressive structural fracture
on one side and tensile fracture on the other__ both characterized by
cracks and rough fracture surfaces. Such a surface texture is very
different from the relatively smooth granular surface resulting from
contact explosives.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/okm.htm
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:19:14 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 23, 12:33 pm, Morgan <...@email.non
Kook, I already proved Partin is wrong, He lied, you lie. PROVEN.
And WTF do da joooooos have to do with this?
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:49:57 -0500, "marcodbeast" <...@casual.com
HAW HAW HAW HAW
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:11:04 -0500, Morgan <...@email.non
Ad hominem attacks are the refuge of those who cannot articulate
arguments based on reason and logical analysis.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:51:33 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
: : : : : : : : : : :
: Ad hominem attacks are the refuge of those who cannot articulate
: arguments based on reason and logical analysis.
What arguments based on reason and logical analysis have you posted. All
I've seen you post is a lot of kooker idiocy.
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Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:26:08 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <...@once.net
"Frank Pittel" <...@giganews.com...
Note - nothing of any substance in the above remarks, just vague denials and
childish name-calling.
There is an obvious pattern here - it is the methodology of the coverup
shills:
1) Declaring that conspiracy theories have been "debunked," while being
incapable of citing any specifics of the alleged debunking.
2) Resorting to ridicule and childish name-calling ad-hominem attacks
against conspiracy theorists in desperate attempts to convince others they
are irrational.
3) Posing as conspiracy theorists themselves and putting forth
disinformation, such as the ludicrous theory that no planes actually struck
the WTC towers, intended to discredit all conspiracy theorists.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:52:08 -0500, "marcodbeast" <...@casual.com
K00ks are always upset that their unproven, usually hearsay ideas aren't
given the same respect as the results of years of investigation. You'll
note that the article in question has no bibliography or source notes
whatsoever.
You should have your k00kfriend tell us all about this Jewish Mafia he's
on about now. lol
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:06:24 -0500, "marcodbeast" <...@casual.com
HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW
HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW
You sure do know how to find the k00ksites! lol
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:35:14 -0400, BDK <...@sanity.com
In article <...@news3.newsguy.com
He's a kooktardic Bloodhound. He can find a kooksite under even the
worst conditions. I wonder if he drools like a Bloodhound does?
--
BDK
BDK Klan leader?
Former #1 kOOk Magnet (Title passed to Larnrod!)
NJJ CLUB #1
Shillmaster
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:46:28 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
In alt.politics.usa.republican Freedom Fighter <...@once.net: "Frank Pittel" <...@warlock.deepthought.com: news...@giganews.com...
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: Note - nothing of any substance in the above remarks, just vague denials and
: childish name-calling.
: There is an obvious pattern here - it is the methodology of the coverup
: shills:
: 1) Declaring that conspiracy theories have been "debunked," while being
: incapable of citing any specifics of the alleged debunking.
: 2) Resorting to ridicule and childish name-calling ad-hominem attacks
: against conspiracy theorists in desperate attempts to convince others they
: are irrational.
: 3) Posing as conspiracy theorists themselves and putting forth
: disinformation, such as the ludicrous theory that no planes actually struck
: the WTC towers, intended to discredit all conspiracy theorists.
You and your fellow kookers made the idiotic claim so you can provide the credible
proof.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:35:30 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 23, 1:56 pm, Morgan <...@email.non
Well, there's yer problem right there, kookazoid. you only have one
brain cell, by your own admission.
Howveer, anyone with a fully funcitoning brain already knows that
controlled demolition has been proven beyond doubt to be a complete
physcial inpossibility.
NORAD did not stand down, kook. PROVEN FACT. It was called in NORAD
is not involved, as you likely don't realize, in monitoring domestic
air traffic.
The Deep Mystery is why you imagine there was melted steel when it's
been proven there was not.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:42:25 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: Any person with a brain can tell that it is an inside job
: NORAD Stand-Down on 9/11: Not Just Simple Incompetence
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyBL9ETL5FY
: The Deep Mystery of Melted Steel
: http://www.911oz.com/links/dummies/8
The challenge was for credible evidence.
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:30:24 -0400, BDK <...@sanity.com
In article <...@email.non says...
NORAD wasn't involved on 911, and they weren't supposed to be.
Kooktardery long ago debunked/proven false.
You poor kooktards... you swallow the dumbest shit, and swallow it
deeply.
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"Frank Pittel" <...@giganews.com...
Below is THE CREDIBLE PROOF.
As you are probably incapable of understanding it, and you are probably
being paid to deny it, I'm sure your only response will be more vehement
denial and childish name-calling.
SIMPLE PHYSICS EXPOSES THE BIG 9/11 LIE -
GOVERNMENT BUILDING COLLAPSE
EXPLANATION FAILS REALITY CHECK
On September 11, 2001, the world watched in horror as the World Trade Center
(WTC) Twin Towers collapsed, killing thousands of innocent people. Videos of
the collapses were replayed ad nauseam on TV for days. About 5 hours after
the towers fell, WTC building 7 also collapsed suddenly, completely, and
straight down at near free-fall speed. This steel-framed building was not
touched by the planes that struck the towers, and had sustained relatively
minor debris damage and small fires. Nearby buildings far more heavily
damaged remained standing.
In June 2005, in an apparent response to an article by Morgan Reynolds,
former CIA Director and current Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stated,
"The American people know what they saw with their own eyes on September 11,
2001. To suggest any kind of government conspiracy in the events of that day
goes beyond the pale."
We will prove here, with scientific rigor, that it's the government's tale
that's "beyond the pale"!
Did most of the American people really understand the unprecedented
phenomena they had witnessed? Could a lack of knowledge of physics, and the
emotional shock of this mass-murderous "terrorist attack" have stymied
objective thinking and led to the blind acceptance of authoritarian
assertions?
The government and the media TOLD US what we saw. The government told us
that we had witnessed a "gravitational" collapse; what is now referred to as
a "pancake collapse". According to the government claims, the plane crashes
and subsequent kerosene (like lamp oil - jet fuel is NOT exotic) fires
heated the UL-certified structural steel to the point where it was
significantly weakened, which is very difficult to believe, never mind
repeat in an experiment. Even with massive fires that incinerate everything
else, the steel frames of such buildings generally remain standing.
According to the "pancake theory", this purported (all physical evidence was
quickly and illegally destroyed) weakening supposedly caused part of the
tower to collapse downward onto the rest of the tower, which, we've been
repeatedly told, somehow resulted in a chain reaction of the lower floors
sequentially, one at a time, yielding to the weight falling from above.
There are some problems with that theory - it does not fit the observed
facts:
* It cannot account for the total failure of the immense vertical steel core
columns - as if they were there one moment and gone the next.
* The collapse times were near free-fall, far too rapid to be due to gravity
alone. This article focuses on the latter of these two discrepancies.
Those that concocted the "pancake theory" made a fatal error - they didn't
check their story against the inviolate laws of physics! This is easy to do,
even without any physical evidence to examine. We can test that incredible
pancake tale using basic high-school physics. Let's do that - use a simple,
unassailable, incontrovertible conservation-of-energy analysis to perform a
reality check that establishes once and for all that the government, and
such government story backers as PBS, Popular Mechanics, and Scientific
American have falsified the true nature of the 9/11 disaster.
How Gravity Acts:
Sir Isaac Newton noticed that apples fell from trees. Others had also
noticed this, but none had ever devised a theory of gravity from the
observation. Over the years, mankind has learned that the force of gravity
at and near Earth's surface produces an acceleration of known constant
magnitude. That doesn't mean we know HOW it works, or WHY, but we have
become able to predict its effects with a high degree of precision and
certainty - gravity has always had the same, predictable, effect.
Galileo Galilei used the leaning tower of Pisa to demonstrate that a large
ball and a small one (of lesser mass) fell (accelerated downward) at the
same rate. Prior to Galileo, people had just assumed that heavier objects
fall faster, much the way they had assumed the Earth was flat.
So while an object of greater mass will exert more force (its weight) upon
anything supporting it against gravity's pull, it does not experience any
greater acceleration when gravity's pull is not opposed - when it is
falling. Earth's gravity at and near the surface of the planet can only
accelerate objects downward at one known, constant rate: 32 feet per second
for each second of free fall. As Galileo demonstrated centuries ago, heavier
objects are not accelerated any quicker than are lighter objects.
So Earth's gravity produces a downward acceleration of 32 feet per second
per second. This means that an object, after falling one second, will be
falling at a speed of 32 ft/sec. After the 2nd second, it will be falling at
64 ft/sec. After the 3rd second, it will be falling at 96 ft/sec., and so
on.
Further, since gravity's acceleration is constant, and an object is falling
at 32 ft/sec after one second has elapsed, we know that it has averaged 16
ft/sec for the entire distance. Thus after one second, the object has fallen
16 feet.
Scientists have derived simple free-fall equations that can be used to
harness this knowledge mathematically. These equations can be found in any
high-school physics book:
* Falling velocity = acceleration of gravity x time. (V = G x T)
And
* Distance fallen = 1/2 x acceleration of gravity x time squared. (D = 1/2
x G x T x T)
So if we want to know how far an object has free-fallen after 3 seconds:
Distance = 1/2 x 32 x 9 = 144 feet
So after 3 seconds in Earth's gravity, an object will have fallen 144 feet
and will be falling at 96 ft/sec.
Checking Our Work:
We've just solved a simple physics problem. Now let's check our work, using
conservation of energy.
We know that energy can neither be created nor destroyed - it merely changes
form. If we take the potential (in this case chemical, molecular) energy in
a barrel of oil and burn it, it changes to heat energy. When we burn
gasoline in our car's engine, we get kinetic (motional) energy, plus some
heat, as an engine is not 100% efficient. When we use our car's brakes to
bleed off some of that kinetic energy (slow down), that energy is converted
into heat (the brakes get hot). Explosives convert potential energy
[molecular or atomic] to kinetic energy (explosive force) quickly enough to
shatter or even pulverize concrete.
In the case of the free-falling object, the two kinds of energy we are
concerned with are kinetic energy and potential energy. Examples of
potential (gravitational) energy are the energy available from water stored
up high in a water tower, or a boulder perched atop a hill. If whatever is
holding it up there is removed, it will fall under the influence of
gravity's pull. As it accelerates downward, the potential energy is
converted to the kinetic energy of the object's motion.
So, as an object falls, it changes its potential energy into kinetic energy.
The equation for potential energy is:
* Potential Energy = Mass (or weight) x Gravity x Height. (PE = M x G x H)
The equation for kinetic energy is:
* Kinetic Energy = 1/2 x Mass x Velocity squared. (KE = 1/2 x M x V x V)
So let's just say, for the sake of simplicity, that our falling object has a
mass of 1. (Remember, the object's mass will affect its energy, and its
momentum, but not its rate of free-fall.)
The potential energy given up by falling 3 seconds (144 ft) is: 1 x 32 x 144
= 4608
The kinetic energy gained after falling 3 secs is 1/2 x 1 x 96 squared = 1/2
x 9216 = 4608
So, the available potential energy was converted into kinetic energy. Seeing
that energy was, in fact, conserved is how we know that the answer in the
simple case above was correct. We've checked our work, using an independent
analysis, based upon the sound physical principle of conservation of energy.
Now, and only now, we can be certain that our answer was correct.
One Little Complication - the effect of air resistance:
The free-fall equations above reflect a perfect, frictionless world. They
perfectly predict the behavior of falling bodies in a vacuum. In fact, you
may have seen a science class demonstration in which the air is pumped out
of a tube and then a feather will fall, in that vacuum, just as fast as will
a solid metal ball.
That's how parachutes work: much of the falling object's potential energy
gets expended doing the work of pushing a lot of air out of the way in order
for the object to fall. As a result, not all of the gravitational potential
energy can go towards accelerating the object downward at gravity's rate of
32 ft/sec/sec.
In other words, only when there is zero frictional resistance can any
falling object's potential energy be completely converted into kinetic
energy. Anything that resists a falling object's downward velocity reduces
its acceleration from the maximum gravitational acceleration of 32 feet per
second per second, as some of gravity's potential energy is consumed in
overcoming frictional resistance.
This explains the phenomena of "terminal velocity". The free-fall equations
predict that a falling object's velocity will continue to increase without
limit. But in air, once a falling object reaches a certain speed, its
propensity to fall will be matched by the air's resistance to the fall. At
that point the object will continue to fall, but its speed will no longer
increase over time. Another way of looking at it is this: gravity's
incessant force produces a downward acceleration, but friction with the air
creates an upward force and thus an upward acceleration. When falling at
terminal velocity, the acceleration downward equals the acceleration upward,
they cancel each other out, and a constant downward velocity is maintained.
Thus the parachute, with its high air friction resistance, allows the person
attached to it to float to earth unharmed.
A Quick Recap:
Earth's gravity causes objects to fall, and they fall according to precise
physical equations. The equations assume no air or other resistance. Any
resistance at all will cause the object to fall less rapidly than it would
without that resistance. If a falling object is affected by air resistance
it falls slower than it would if free-falling, and it will take longer to
fall a given distance.
Free-fall From WTC Building Heights:
The towers were 1350 and 1360 feet tall; average = 1355 feet. Let's start by
using our free-fall equation to see how long it should take an object to
free-fall from the towers' height.
Distance = 1/2 x Gravity x Time squared. (D = 1/2 x G x T x T)
With a little basic algebra, we solve the equation for the fall time, T:
2 x Distance = Gravity x Time(squared) (2 x D = G x T x T)
Time squared = (2 x Distance) / Gravity (T x T = 2 x D / G)
Time squared = 2 x 1355 / 32 = 84.7 (T = square root of (2 x D / G))
Time = 9.2
So our equation tells us that it takes 9.2 seconds to free-fall to the
ground from the height of the WTC towers.
Using our simpler equation, V = G x T, we can see that at 9.2 seconds, the
free-falling object's velocity must be about 295 ft/sec, which is just over
200 mph.
But that can only occur IN A VACUUM.
Since the WTC was in Earth's atmosphere at sea level, you might be able to
imagine how much air resistance that represents. Think about putting your
arm out the window of a car moving even half that fast! Most free-falling
objects reach their terminal velocity long before they reach 200 mph. For
example, the terminal velocity of a free-falling human body is around 120
mph. The terminal velocity of a free-falling cat is around 60 mph.
Therefore, it is clear that air resistance alone will make it take longer
than 9.2 seconds for anything falling from the towers' height to reach the
ground.
Observations from 9/11:
On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's
"complete and final report" on 9/11, that the South Tower collapsed in 10
seconds. Here is the exact quote:
"At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds". That's the
government's official number. With all the videos that show it, they could
not lie about this.
But as we've determined above, the FREE-FALL TIME IN A VACUUM is 9.2
seconds, and 10 seconds is an exceptionally short fall time through the air.
This "collapse" was not without far more physical resistance than from the
air alone. It proceeded through all the lower stories of the tower. Those
undamaged floors below the plane impact zone offered resistance thousands of
times greater than that of air. Those lower stories, and the central steel
core columns, had successfully supported the mass of the tower for 30 years
despite hurricane-force winds and tremors. Air cannot do that.
Can anyone possibly imagine undamaged lower floors getting out of the way of
the upper floors as gracefully and relatively frictionlessly as air would?
Can anyone possibly imagine the lower stories slowing the fall of the upper
floors less than would, say, a parachute?
It is beyond the scope of the simple but uncontested physics here to tell
you how long such a collapse should have taken. Would it have taken a
minute? Ten minutes? Hard to say, but certainly it would take far more than
10 seconds!
What is certain, beyond any shadow of a doubt, is that the towers could not
have collapsed gravitationally, through their intact lower stories, as
rapidly as was observed on 9/11. Not even close. This is shown above to be
physically impossible!
Not only was tremendous energy expended in causing the observed massive
high-speed sideways debris ejections, but virtually all the concrete and
glass of the tower was pulverized - actually dissociated is a better word.
Never mind what happened to all the supporting steel core columns! The
energy requirements to do anything like that, alone, rival the total amount
of potential energy that the entire tower had to give. Gravity alone is
sufficient to cause some things to fall that far, even through air, in close
to the observed 10 second collapse time. But that is without the huge
expenditure of energy necessary to pulverize all of that concrete and glass,
eject debris, plus cause the steel core columns to effectively disappear.
The gravitational potential energy present was certainly not enough to have
done all these things at once.
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; it only changes form. So WHERE
DID ALL THAT ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTIVE ENERGY COME FROM?
Conclusions:
In order for the towers to have collapsed "gravitationally" in the observed
duration, as we've been told over and over again, one or more of the
following zany-sounding conditions must have been met:
* The undamaged structure below the impact zone offered zero resistance to
the collapse.
* The glass and concrete spontaneously disintegrated without any expenditure
of energy.
* The massive vertical steel core columns simply vanished, as if by magic.
* On 9/11 alone, in that location alone, gravity was much stronger than
gravity.
* On 9/11 alone, in that location alone, energy was not conserved.
None of these laws-of-physics-violating, and thus impossible, conditions can
be accounted for by the official government theory of 9/11, nor by any of
the subsequent analyses and arguments designed to prop up this official myth
of 9/11.
The Bottom Line:
The government explanations for the WTC collapses fail the most basic
conservation-of-energy reality check. Therefore the government theory is
FALSE; it does not fit the observed facts, and the notion of a "pancake
collapse" cannot account for what happened. The "pancake collapse"
explanation is impossible, and thus absurd. It is A LIE.
It is utterly impossible for a gravitational collapse to proceed so
destructively through a path of such great resistance in anywhere near
free-fall time. This fact debunks the preposterous contention that the WTC
collapses can be blamed solely upon damage resulting from the plane impacts.
The unnaturally short durations of the top-down collapses reveal that the
towers did not disintegrate because they were coming down, but rather they
came down because something else was causing them to disintegrate.
So, to the extent that people accept the ridiculous "pancake collapse"
story, former CIA Director and current Secretary of Defense Gates' other
premise, that people know what they saw, is also false. It is left to you to
decide if his conclusion, which was based upon clearly incorrect
presumptions, is also flawed.
The collapse of WTC building 7, which was NOT hit by any plane, and which
also collapsed within a second of free-fall time later that same day,
similarly fails the conservation-of-energy analysis. The 9/11 Commission
made no attempt to explain it.
Just how and why so many highly-accredited and credentialed people all so
miserably failed to check the "pancake collapse" theory, by giving it this
basic physics reality check, is beyond the scope of this analysis.
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FURTHER IRREFUTABLE PROOF BY PHYSICS OF THE 9/11 INSIDE JOB:
http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/12/glaring-proof-of-something-hotter-than.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck's_law_of_black_body_radiation
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:07:39 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
In alt.politics.usa.republican Freedom Fighter <...@once.net: "Frank Pittel" <...@warlock.deepthought.com: news...@giganews.com...
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: : :
: Below is THE CREDIBLE PROOF.
: As you are probably incapable of understanding it, and you are probably
: being paid to deny it, I'm sure your only response will be more vehement
: denial and childish name-calling.
: SIMPLE PHYSICS EXPOSES THE BIG 9/11 LIE -
: GOVERNMENT BUILDING COLLAPSE
: EXPLANATION FAILS REALITY CHECK
: On September 11, 2001, the world watched in horror as the World Trade Center
: (WTC) Twin Towers collapsed, killing thousands of innocent people. Videos of
: the collapses were replayed ad nauseam on TV for days. About 5 hours after
: the towers fell, WTC building 7 also collapsed suddenly, completely, and
: straight down at near free-fall speed. This steel-framed building was not
: touched by the planes that struck the towers, and had sustained relatively
: minor debris damage and small fires. Nearby buildings far more heavily
: damaged remained standing.
Six blatent lies in the first paragraph and you still cling to it hoping that
if you post it enough someone will be dumb enough to believe it. Try posting some
credible proof next time.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:46:04 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: Bzzzzzt!!
: I schololed your ass earlier on that mistake of yours, kooktard
: Frankie Pitiful. As with OKC, the majority of 9/11 kookers are
: rigtards, many of them Ron Paul kookers.
Repeating the same idiotic and disproven claim over and over again is the
same approach the 911 kookers take. It also doesn't change the fact that the
vast majority of 911 kookers are libs.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:54:38 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 23, 4:46 pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
And it's the same approach you take to you "lefties are the 9/11
kooks" debunked nonsense. Ron Paul fans are not lefties; Alex Jones is
not a leftie -- he's the preeminent 9/11 nutter; Stephen Jones, David
Ray Griffin, nope, their rightards.
Face it, Pitiful, you've lost this one. Time for you to slink away.
Prima facie false. It's a rightard anti-gubmint libertarian kook
movement. Libs are laughing at you making such a claim.
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:16:23 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
In alt.politics.usa.republican Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com: On Apr 23, 4:46??pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: And it's the same approach you take to you "lefties are the 9/11
: kooks" debunked nonsense. Ron Paul fans are not lefties; Alex Jones is
: not a leftie -- he's the preeminent 9/11 nutter; Stephen Jones, David
: Ray Griffin, nope, their rightards.
: Face it, Pitiful, you've lost this one. Time for you to slink away.
Wrong again lib. Take a look at your favorite kook site DU. It's a site
by and for libs like you. No conservative are allowed. Only a small handful
of the kooks there aren't 911 kookers. I also know that your not going to
tell me that your fellow kook lib donahue isn't a lib because he's a 911 kooker
like you as is rosie.
: :
: Prima facie false. It's a rightard anti-gubmint libertarian kook
: movement. Libs are laughing at you making such a claim.
Wrong again. the 911 kookers are mostly libs like you.
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:33:30 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 24, 7:16 pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
Uh, Pitiful, why do you keep ignoring my PROOF that you are a liar
merely to repeat the lie?
9/11 kookers are rightards like you. Get used to it, yer in bed with
them.
Ron Paul fans=rightard 9/11 kookers.
Alex Jones, that crazy ass GOP legislator from Arizona, Jesse Fuckin'
Ventura -- I mean, time to give it up, Pitiful. You've been proven
wrong.
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On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:38:39 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
In alt.politics.usa.republican Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com: On Apr 24, 7:16??pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: Uh, Pitiful, why do you keep ignoring my PROOF that you are a liar
: merely to repeat the lie?
: 9/11 kookers are rightards like you. Get used to it, yer in bed with
: them.
: Ron Paul fans=rightard 9/11 kookers.
: Alex Jones, that crazy ass GOP legislator from Arizona, Jesse Fuckin'
: Ventura -- I mean, time to give it up, Pitiful. You've been proven
: wrong.
Wrong again lib. Most 911 kookers are libs like you. Just because you found
a couple of republicans that are 911 kookers doesn't come anywhere near proving
your claim that all 911 kookers are conservative.
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On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:33:42 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 26, 7:38 pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
Nope, dope. You're wrong as I proved.
Not even in your dreams, loser. Thousands of Ron Paul devotees prove
you wrong right out of the box.
You didn't find ANY libs, kook. Say hi to your kooker friends at your
next rightard fascist meeting, mmmmm-kay?
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 00:19:10 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
In alt.politics.usa.republican Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com: On Apr 26, 7:38 pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: Nope, dope. You're wrong as I proved.
You've proven nothing.
:
: Not even in your dreams, loser. Thousands of Ron Paul devotees prove
: you wrong right out of the box.
Prove it.
: : :
: You didn't find ANY libs, kook. Say hi to your kooker friends at your
: next rightard fascist meeting, mmmmm-kay?
Out of the box there's the 911 kooker that goes by the name of freedom fighter. There's
also rosie odonnel and phil donahue and the thousands of you fellow leftwing fascist
kooker on the daily kos and du.
Considering that your a leftwing fascist kook I'm surprised that you're not a 911 kooker.
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:19:45 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 26, 11:19 pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.comwrote:
Except that you're a lunatic fascist liar. I gave my proof, you gave
me a lie about Phil Donahue. Whatta loser!
Again with your lies.
Prove "Reality Fighter" is a leftie. He's a mental case, that makes
him more likely to be a rightie.
I already exposed your lie about Phil Donahue. Post your evidence that
Donahue is a 9/11 kooker, asswipe. He's dissed the 9/11 twoofers when
they confronted him on YouTube.
Considering that you're an illiterate, including politically, I'm
surprised that you're not a 9/11 kooker. Fascists are righties,
asswipe, by definition.
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:13:36 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: Except that you're a lunatic fascist liar. I gave my proof, you gave
: me a lie about Phil Donahue. Whatta loser!
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: Again with your lies.
Prove it.
: Prove "Reality Fighter" is a leftie. He's a mental case, that makes
: him more likely to be a rightie.
Already have in another thread.
: I already exposed your lie about Phil Donahue. Post your evidence that
: Donahue is a 9/11 kooker, asswipe. He's dissed the 9/11 twoofers when
: they confronted him on YouTube.
You've done no such thing. All you've done is make the claim. Coming from
a looney tune brain dead lying fascist loser lib dem like yourself that's
not even close to being credible.
:
: Considering that you're an illiterate, including politically, I'm
: surprised that you're not a 9/11 kooker. Fascists are righties,
: asswipe, by definition.
First you proclaim to the world you don't know the meaning of the word fascism.
Now you proclaim to the world you don't know what the word illiterate means.
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:42:32 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 27, 2:13 pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
Frankie, Frankie, Frankie!! You're starting to actually make me feel
SORRY for your stupid kooker ass. you make it too easy for me to wipe
the floor with you. It's not my fault you missed not only all your
junior high English classes, but apparently all your civics and poli
sci classes too.
I feel like I need to take out an ad in the local paper declaring I am
not to be held responsible for your further kooktardishness and insane
ramblings!!
But do let us know if you ever find a liberal who believes in the 9/11
kooker theories that are so deeply felt by your fellow travelers in
the Restupidcan-conservative-libertarian rightard end of the spectrum.
So far, I win, 10,003-to-Rosie.
BWAHAAAHAHAAAHAAAAA!!!!!
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:21:37 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
In alt.politics.usa.republican Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com: On Apr 27, 2:13??pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: Frankie, Frankie, Frankie!! You're starting to actually make me feel
: SORRY for your stupid kooker ass. you make it too easy for me to wipe
: the floor with you. It's not my fault you missed not only all your
: junior high English classes, but apparently all your civics and poli
: sci classes too.
: I feel like I need to take out an ad in the local paper declaring I am
: not to be held responsible for your further kooktardishness and insane
: ramblings!!
: But do let us know if you ever find a liberal who believes in the 9/11
: kooker theories that are so deeply felt by your fellow travelers in
: the Restupidcan-conservative-libertarian rightard end of the spectrum.
: So far, I win, 10,003-to-Rosie.
: BWAHAAAHAHAAAHAAAAA!!!!!
You're not only delusional but you've been reduced to a babbling idiot.
Do yourself a favor and wait until you're sober before posting again.
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:09:34 -0400, Animal03- <...@yesterday.com
she is not the brightest bulb in the marquee
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:50:55 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 27, 6:09 pm, Animal03- <...@yesterday.com
STFU, moron, unless you can prove me wrong.
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:30:51 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
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: she is not the brightest bulb in the marquee
That's for sure.
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:51:52 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 27, 6:30 pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
You're not even on the same street as the marquee, Pitiful.
Fascists on the left!! BWAAHAAHAHAHAAAA!!! How about all those rightie
commies, Fwankie? BWHAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:37:10 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
In alt.politics.usa.republican Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com: On Apr 27, 6:30??pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: You're not even on the same street as the marquee, Pitiful.
: Fascists on the left!! BWAAHAAHAHAHAAAA!!! How about all those rightie
: commies, Fwankie? BWHAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!
How much did you have to drink before you posted this dribble??
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:54:35 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 27, 10:37 pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.comwrote:
The truth? I enjoy a glass of fine wine after posting my devastating
deconstructions of your kooker disproven-on-its-face nonsense, Frankie
Pitiful. A victory sip.
Fascist lefties!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!! How ya doin' rounding up
all them rightie commies, Fwankie??? BWAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:35:08 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
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: The truth? I enjoy a glass of fine wine after posting my devastating
: deconstructions of your kooker disproven-on-its-face nonsense, Frankie
: Pitiful. A victory sip.
how many bottles of wine did you drink before you posted.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:00:15 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 28, 12:35 pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.comwrote:
LEARN TO READ while you're busy figuring out right from left, kookjob.
I said I have a GLASS of wine AFTER I deconstruct your disproven
nonsense.
Learn to trim your posts too, mmmm-kay, shit-for-brains?
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:53:05 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
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: LEARN TO READ while you're busy figuring out right from left, kookjob.
: I said I have a GLASS of wine AFTER I deconstruct your disproven
: nonsense.
I asked how much you drank BEFORE posting not AFTER!! I see reading comprension
isn't your strong suit. Have you found a dictionary yet or are you still trying to
figure out how to open the one you have??
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:47:13 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 29, 9:53 am, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
AND I SAID LEARN TO READ, YOU FASCIST MORON!!!
Are you terminally stupid? Oh wait, yes, you are. You "think" fascists
are on the left! BWAHAAAAHAHAHAHAA!!
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:09:25 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
In alt.politics.usa.republican Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com: On Apr 29, 9:53??am, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: AND I SAID LEARN TO READ, YOU FASCIST MORON!!!
Proving once again that you're a leftwing idiot.
: Are you terminally stupid? Oh wait, yes, you are. You "think" fascists
: are on the left! BWAHAAAAHAHAHAHAA!!
I see that you still haven't learned how to look up a word in a dictionary.
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:57:22 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 27, 4:21 pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
You'e delusional, Frankie Pitiful. You "think" fascism is leftist!
BWAHAAAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Ummm, dear, your inability to read simple English does not make the
writer a babbler. The problem, as I have demonstrated, is entirely on
your end.
Said the drunken rightard who "thinks" Ron Paul is liberal. Hey
Pitiful, ya better check out exactly who those nutters are at the next
rightard meeting! I think you lost it around the time I exposed your
Phil Donahue lie; you never could quite get over that one.
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:34:17 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
In alt.politics.usa.republican Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com: On Apr 27, 4:21??pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: You'e delusional, Frankie Pitiful. You "think" fascism is leftist!
: BWAHAAAHAHAHAAAA!!!
You need to find a dictionary and look up the word "fascism". Like most
looney tune brain dead lying fascist loser lib dems you have no idea of
what it is.
:
: Ummm, dear, your inability to read simple English does not make the
: writer a babbler. The problem, as I have demonstrated, is entirely on
: your end.
Wrong again. You're babbling idiocy.
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:53:35 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 27, 6:34 pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
Moron, BY DEFINITION, fascists are righties. That's what fascism is, a
right-wing authoritarianism. How about you come up with a list of all
them right wing commie dictators, hmmmm????
You're earned you nick today, Frank Pitiful!! Se ya tomorrow for more
of my ass-kicking of you!
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:38:54 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
In alt.politics.usa.republican Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com: On Apr 27, 6:34??pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: Moron, BY DEFINITION, fascists are righties. That's what fascism is, a
: right-wing authoritarianism. How about you come up with a list of all
: them right wing commie dictators, hmmmm????
You really should do yourself a favor and find out what the word "fascism"
actually means.
: You're earned you nick today, Frank Pitiful!! Se ya tomorrow for more
: of my ass-kicking of you!
The only one that getting their ass kicked here is you.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:56:36 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 27, 10:38 pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.comwrote:
Says the moron who can't get it right!! Thanks for THAT laugh! Starts
my day off right!
Wanna restate that in English, moron? Never mind, it would still be
wring. You've been spanked six ways to Sunday. "Fascist lefties!"
BWAHAHAAHAHAAAHAHAAA!!!!! The fuckin' DEFINITION of fascism rules that
out, shit-for-brains.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:37:53 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
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: Says the moron who can't get it right!! Thanks for THAT laugh! Starts
: my day off right!
Still have no idea of what you're talking about.
: : : :
: Wanna restate that in English, moron? Never mind, it would still be
: wring.
The english is clear enough for a third grader to understand. Maybe you should
consider a reading comprehension course.
: You've been spanked six ways to Sunday. "Fascist lefties!"
: BWAHAHAAHAHAAAHAHAAA!!!!! The fuckin' DEFINITION of fascism rules that
: out, shit-for-brains.
Drunk again I see. You don't even know what the definition of "fascism" is.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:04:48 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 28, 12:37 pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.comwrote:
I know you don't, because, Frankie Pitiful, you are terminally STUPID.
You've guzzled the Rush-spunk that Dems are "fascists" when in fact
fascism is a right-side system.
Guess again, moron, "The only one that getting their ass kicked here
is you." Take that illiterate sentence alone. Three grammatical
errors. Tsk tsk tsk. Were you home-schooled by any chance?
You need one in "english" [sic] Whatta fuckin' LAUGH RIOT you are!!!
The irony of making stupid errors in English whilst criticizing your
betters!! I mean really, that's a hoot, sweetheart!
You're the one who doesn't know, kooker, I am waiting for your list of
all those right-wing commies!!!
BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAA!!!!!!
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:48:50 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
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: I know you don't, because, Frankie Pitiful, you are terminally STUPID.
: You've guzzled the Rush-spunk that Dems are "fascists" when in fact
: fascism is a right-side system.
How would you know?? You don't even know what "fascism" means.
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:05:50 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 28, 9:48 pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
Turns out I do and you don't, kooktard! Where's that list of right
wing commies, shit-for-brains? BWAHAAAHAHAAHAAAA!!!
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:10:47 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
In alt.politics.usa.republican Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com: On Apr 28, 9:48??pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: Turns out I do and you don't, kooktard! Where's that list of right
: wing commies, shit-for-brains? BWAHAAAHAHAAHAAAA!!!
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:20:00 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 28, 9:48 pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
Because you are parroting the kooker rightard talking points that are
proven lies, dearie.
BWAHAHAAAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAAAAA!!! Says the kooker retard who "thinks"
lefties are fascists!!! Suck off Rush's spew a bit more, Frankie, yer
running on empty!!!
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:13:14 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
In alt.politics.usa.republican Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com: On Apr 28, 9:48??pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: Because you are parroting the kooker rightard talking points that are
: proven lies, dearie.
You don't even know what "fascism" means.
:
: BWAHAHAAAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAAAAA!!! Says the kooker retard who "thinks"
: lefties are fascists!!! Suck off Rush's spew a bit more, Frankie, yer
: running on empty!!!
If you had the slightest clue as to what "fascism" means you would know I was
right. Have you figured out how to use a dictionary yet?? If not maybe you can
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:40:39 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 23, 8:32 am, Morgan <...@email.non
No they haven't. There isn't any.
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On Apr 23, 11:40 am, Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
Yes they HAVE! My "proof by assertion" is louder than yours so I win!
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:29:11 -0500, Morgan <...@email.non
You are little poodle.
Cover-up in OKC
by William F. Jasper
In trying to pin the blame for the bombing solely on despicable
mass-murderer Timothy McVeigh, federal officials have ignored and
covered up evidence of a wider conspiracy.
Readers of The New American are familiar with many of the charges
leveled by Jannie Coverdale, Kathy Wilburn, Jane Graham, and others
personally affected by the Oklahoma City bombing (see page 12). The
extensive investigation carried out by this magazine over the past six
years has confirmed that their fears and charges of cover-up, coercion,
deception, and obstruction are fully justified.*
Our investigation has led to several major conclusions that completely
contradict the official government line, which holds that Timothy
McVeigh masterminded and carried out the terrorist assault on the Murrah
Building, with his only significant assistance coming from former Army
buddy Terry Nichols. Those conclusions, more fully examined in the
remainder of this article, are summarized in the following bullet points:
* Multiple Accomplices — Credible witnesses saw McVeigh with John
Does in Junction City, Kansas, where the Ryder truck was rented, in the
days before the bombing. Many additional credible witnesses saw McVeigh
with one or more John Does in Oklahoma City on the morning of the
bombing. Still more credible witnesses saw McVeigh with one or more John
Does in or around the Murrah Building in the days before the bombing. In
fact, the prosecution did not present any eye-witnesses in Oklahoma City
who saw McVeigh alone on the day of the bombing; virtually every
eyewitness saw him with one or more John Does.
* Multiple Bombs — Physics, the available forensic evidence,
official records, eyewitnesses, and an impressive array of world-class
experts compellingly argue that the Ryder truck bomb could not have
caused the terrible damage and deadly destruction of the federal
building without the help of explosive charges placed on the columns of
the building. This clearly put the bombing operation beyond McVeigh’s
level of technical expertise and necessitated two or more additional
accomplices.
* Prior Knowledge — Documents from the ATF, FBI, and U.S. Marshal’s
Service, as well as witness testimony and the testimony of federal
undercover informants, indicate that high officials in the federal
government were given prior warning about the impending attack on the
Murrah Federal Building.
* Misconduct, Coercion, and Cover-up — In an astonishing number of
instances, vital evidence was ignored, suppressed, tampered with, and
even destroyed. Witnesses were coached, harassed, and coerced in
attempts to get them to change their testimony.
Making the "John Does" Disappear
Many credible witnesses reported seeing another individual with McVeigh
strongly resembling the infamous sketch of John Doe #2. Among them,
Vickie Beemer, who handled the rental transaction of the Ryder truck
used in the bombing, informed the FBI of John Doe #2 only to have
investigators claim that she had mistaken him for a different man.
Shortly after the bombing, eyewitnesses provided the FBI with
descriptions of two suspects, which formed the basis for the famous FBI
sketches known as "John Doe No. 1" and "John Doe No. 2." The John Doe
No. 1 sketch turned out to be a pretty close depiction of Timothy
McVeigh, who was arrested by an Oklahoma Highway Patrolman on a routine
traffic stop as he fled north on the interstate highway after the
bombing. John Doe No. 2, who for weeks was the "world’s most wanted"
fugitive, was never arrested. Attorney General Janet Reno and FBI
officials swore that "no stone will be left unturned" in the pursuit of
this elusive suspect. Instead of turning over stones, however, the
Department of Justice and FBI were soon burying evidence and leads. The
DOJ-FBI sleuths soon concocted a cover story, still used by the media,
that John Doe 2 was a product of faulty memory and mistaken identity.
According to this story, the witnesses at the Ryder truck rental agency
in Junction City, Kansas, had mistakenly fingered Army Private Todd
Bunting, who had come in to rent a truck with Sergeant Michael Hertig
the day after McVeigh, and who had no connection to the bombing.
There were many problems with this story. For one, it conflicted, in
many details, with the original accounts provided by the three Ryder
witnesses to the FBI. Besides, Vickie Beemer, who handled the rental
transaction, knew Sgt. Hertig and was not likely to confuse him with a
stranger. What’s more, she remained steadfast in her sworn testimony
before the grand jury and the trial jury that she was "absolutely 100%
certain" that the "Robert Kling" who rented the Ryder truck used in the
bombing (whom the government says was McVeigh) was accompanied by
another individual.
Another major problem with the government theory is that even if the
Ryder witness mix-up story were true, there are still many additional
eyewitnesses who saw McVeigh with a man resembling the John Doe 2
sketch. And still more witnesses also saw McVeigh with several other
individuals immediately before the bombing. In any criminal case — and
especially in one this important, involving the "most deadly terrorist
attack on U.S. soil" — the prosecution normally desires to use
eyewitnesses who can establish the connection of the accused directly to
the crime, and particularly to the crime scene. Prior to the McVeigh
trial, the prosecution filed a list of 327 witnesses with the court.
Only 141 were called. Very few were eyewitnesses, and none placed
McVeigh in Oklahoma City. There were many witnesses who could have
placed him there. Why were they not called?
One of the eyewitnesses never called was Mike Moroz, who worked at a
tire store several blocks from the Murrah Building. Moroz picked McVeigh
out of the FBI lineup, providing identification that led to McVeigh’s
arraignment. According to Moroz and his co-worker, Brian Marshall,
McVeigh pulled the Ryder truck into the tire shop’s parking lot around
8:40 a.m., about 20 minutes before the explosion. Moroz spoke briefly to
McVeigh, who was driving, and also saw a passenger in the truck with
McVeigh.
About five minutes later, McVeigh stopped his truck in front of the
Regency Towers, one block west of the Murrah Building, and purchased two
sodas and a package of cigarettes from Danny Wilkerson, who ran the
Towers’ convenience store. The truck was caught on the Regency
surveillance tape. Wilkerson stated that a male passenger accompanied
McVeigh. This remained his death-bed testimony, when he died of cancer
in 1998.
Around 8:58 a.m., about five minutes before the explosion, Rodney
Johnson, a paramedic, was driving in front of the Murrah Building when
he was forced to brake for two men walking from the direction of the
Murrah Building to the parking lot across the street, where another
witness saw McVeigh and a John Doe get into McVeigh’s Mercury Marquis
and hurriedly drive away. Rodney Johnson notified the FBI that night,
and his description of the two suspects closely matched McVeigh and John
Doe No. 2 — before the FBI sketches were made public.
Many other important eyewitnesses saw McVeigh in or near the Murrah
Building with one or more John Does, including:
* Kyle Hunt, a Tulsa banker;
* Morris John Kuper, an employee of the nearby Kerr-McGee Oil Company;
* Debbie Nakanashi, a U.S. Postal Service employee;
* Dr. Paul Heath, a public affairs officer with the Veterans
Administration;
* Danielle Hunt, the former operator of the Murrah Building daycare
center;
* Priscilla Salyer, an employee of the U.S. Customs Service; and
* Germaine Johnson, a HUD branch chief.
Other eyewitnesses who saw Timothy McVeigh with John Does in the
Junction City, Kansas area, where he stayed before driving to Oklahoma
City, or who saw John Does in McVeigh’s motel room, include:
* Jeff Davis, who delivered Chinese food to McVeigh’s motel room;
* Hilda Sostre, a maid at the Dreamland Motel where McVeigh stayed;
* Joan Van Buren, a Subway sandwich clerk;
* Donald and Connie Hood, visitors at the Dreamland Motel; and
* Barbara Whittenberg, owner of the Santa Fe Trail Diner.
How compelling is the cumulative eyewitness testimony? According to John
Douglas, the FBI’s legendary criminal personality profile expert, it is
very compelling. Mr. Douglas, the author of the nonfiction bestsellers
Mind Hunter and Journey Into Darkness, is a 25-year veteran with the FBI
and a consultant to law enforcement agencies nationwide. He was
interviewed for the September 3, 1996 broadcast of NBC’s Dateline
segment on the bombing investigation. Douglas stated that based upon his
personality profiles of McVeigh and Nichols, as well as practical
considerations involved in building and delivering the truck bomb and
the compelling testimony of so many witnesses with no apparent motive
for lying, he is convinced there must be other co-conspirators.
According to Douglas: "I believe there has to be someone who looks like
the sketch because there are too many people who have looked at the
sketch and said ‘that’s who I saw on or about that day.’"
John Douglas suggested that "the FBI may be in trouble here. There are
other people involved in this and they’d better find them. I don’t know
what happened precisely, but I do know the criminal personality. But
when I look at Nichols and I look at McVeigh — these two people are
solely and exclusively responsible for this type of crime? I doubt it."
Later, in 1997, when this writer discussed the Oklahoma City bombing
case with Douglas, the famed consultant and crime fighter stated that
additional evidence and witnesses had made his earlier opinion even
stronger. "I think the government’s position, in light of all the
evidence to the contrary, is absurd," he said.
Science Is Silenced
Almost before the dust had cleared from the explosion, the official
government line was that the attack on the Murrah Building had involved
only a truck bomb, composed of ANFO (ammonium nitrate and fuel oil) and
parked on the street next to the building. From that point on, the
government story on the size and composition of the bomb mutated several
times to fit the official line. As the McVeigh trial was about to start,
the Department of Justice issued a report by the Office of the Inspector
General that particularly censured the work of Special Agent David
Williams of the FBI lab explosives unit, and Williams’ supervisor,
Thomas Thurman. Williams, the main explosives analyst for the
prosecution in this case, had grossly fudged evidence on all of the
major points: the size and composition of the truck bomb; the velocity
of the explosives; the type of detonator used; the containers that
supposedly were used; and the presence of explosive residue on clothing
and other articles belonging to Timothy McVeigh. The Inspector General’s
critique found that Williams’ forensic report was flawed, unscientific,
biased, improper, unjustified, invalid, and appeared "to tailor the
opinion to evidence associated with the defendants."
Long before this, however, many genuine experts had already concluded
that it would have been physically impossible for the truck bomb alone
to have accomplished the massive structural destruction of the heavy
concrete, steel-reinforced columns. The evidence pointed overwhelmingly,
they insisted, to the detonation of high-explosive contact charges on
the columns inside the building. This stellar group of experts includes
legendary physicist and defense analyst Sam Cohen, inventor of the
neutron bomb; Brigadier General Benton K. Partin, former director of the
Air Force Armaments Technology Laboratory; Dr. Frederick Hansen,
professor of physics at the University of Oregon, former research
scientist with NASA, and former head of earth and astro sciences at the
General Motors Defense Research Laboratories; Dr. Ernest B. Paxson, an
engineer with over 30 years’ experience in civilian and defense-related
projects and a published author in many professional journals; and Dr.
Robert G. Breene, author, former professor of physics, and formerly a
visiting scientist at the Max Planck Institute in Germany.
In addition to the authoritative assessments of these and other experts,
there is the equally compelling testimony provided by eyewitnesses;
official police, military, and fire department logs; and television
video coverage showing that there were additional internal charges
within the Murrah Building that failed to detonate and that were later
removed by bomb squads. (See, "Proof of Multiple Bombs," in our issue
for July 20, 1998.) This matter could have been settled with finality if
an independent, technically competent analysis of the crime scene and
the forensic evidence — especially from the concrete columns — had been
allowed. But, incredibly, one month after the bombing, before such an
evaluation could be made, the crime scene and evidence were destroyed,
as the building was imploded by commercial demolition blasters. Then the
massive evidence of the crime scene was hauled away and buried. This
happened at the very time that heated arguments in the O.J. Simpson
trial, "the trial of the century," centered on charges that the Los
Angeles Police Department had failed to preserve the crime scene and
other important evidence in that case. It is elementary doctrine and
procedure to preserve the crime scene and preserve evidence; why in
this, of all cases, was there such a rush to destroy the evidence?
Prior Warning
On the morning of April 19, 1995, the second anniversary of the federal
assault on the Branch Davidian church complex in Waco, the ATF office at
the Murrah Building was all but abandoned. Had they been warned of a
possible attack? Compelling evidence led many survivors to begin asking
questions about this. Bruce Shaw rushed to the building immediately
after the blast to try to find his wife, an employee with the Federal
Credit Union. In an interview with this reporter, and in sworn
affidavits, Shaw said he was informed by an ATF agent at the scene that
the ATF staff had been warned on their pagers not to come in. Two
paramedics at the scene, in separate incidents, also reported hearing
similar statements from ATF agents. The paramedics, Katherine Mallette
and Tiffany Bible, have provided sworn affidavits of their testimony.
The ATF responded immediately, claiming "malicious rumors" of prior ATF
warning "are entirely false." The ATF rushed to cover the fact that only
two, three, or five (depending on which account one takes) of the
agency’s 17 employees were in the office that morning. ATF spokesman
Lester Martz presented an apocryphal tale of ATF heroism to counter the
mounting concern, claiming that Agent Alex McCauley was in an elevator
with a DEA agent when the bomb exploded. "The elevator dropped in a free
fall from the eighth floor to the third," said Martz. "The two men were
trapped in the smoke-filled elevator.... On their fourth attempt, they
managed to break through the doors and escape from the elevator. The
agents made their way to the stairwell and brought with them 10 or 15
people they found along the way...."
This ludicrous scenario soon proved to be a lie, and an embarrassment to
the ATF. The New American interviewed Oscar Johnson, the president of
Midwestern Elevator, and his technicians who were at the Murrah Building
minutes after the blast. They certified that "none of the elevators
fell," and that "all of the elevators’ cables were intact." They
presented photographs and their official reports to back up their
assertions. Johnson and other elevator experts we consulted assured us
that although the elevator free fall is a staple of Hollywood action
films, "it is not something that happens in real life." Moreover, as
Johnson pointed out, if a free fall of five stories had occurred, those
inside would have suffered severe injuries. (See "Prior Knowledge," in
our issue for December 11, 1995.)
At least two undercover federal informants repeatedly warned federal
authorities weeks in advance of the April 19, 1995 attack of specific
plots to blow up federal buildings: Carol Howe, an ATF informant in
"Elohim City," a rural enclave providing refuge to violent criminals and
members of the Aryan Republican Army, the Ku Klux Klan, and Aryan
Nation; and Cary Gagan, an informant for the U.S. Justice Department
amongst a group of narco-terrorists operating through Mexico that
included foreign nationals of Middle Eastern extraction, as well as
domestic Caucasian-Americans. Both Howe and Gagan had formal, written
agreements with federal authorities, and both provided substantial
documentary evidence to back up their claims that they had provided
ample warning to their federal superiors to have foreseen and prevented
the devastating attack. (See "Undercover: The Howe Revelations" in our
September 15, 1997 issue, and "Fighting for Answers in OKC" in our issue
for August 4, 1997.)
Obstructing Justice
We have already mentioned the incredible destruction of the Murrah
Building crime scene and the Inspector General’s report on the
fraudulent FBI analysis of the truck bomb. Decorated FBI scientist Dr.
Frederick Whitehurst has charged that the abuses at the FBI Crime Labs
are serious, conscious, and systemic. Senator Charles Grassley was far
more critical than the IG report, suggesting that criminal charges
against FBI agents may be in order.
Title 18 USCS 1512 provides criminal penalties for intimidation,
physical force or misleading conduct directed at a witness. Other
sections of the code provide additional penalties for other forms of
conduct aimed at falsifying, misrepresenting, or improperly influencing
a witness. Penalties would seem to be in order with regard to FBI and
DOJ treatment of many OKC witnesses, including: Jeffrey Davis; Danny
Wilkerson; Debbie Burdick; Jane Graham; Arlene Blanchard; Morris John
Kuper; Paul Heath; David Kochendorfer; James Miller; Kimberly Tolson;
Russell Stuart Green; Lana Padilla; Barbara Whittenberg; Eldon Elliot;
Vickie Beemer; and Tom Kessinger.
As important as the sins of commission in the OKC bombing case are, it
may prove that the FBI’s and DOJ’s sins of omission are even greater.
Following the Nichols trial, Kathy Wilburn made an issue of the fact
that the FBI had only checked the more than 1,000 fingerprints in the
case against a very small number of suspects (12), many of whom were
members of the Nichols family (including two-year-old Nicole Nichols).
They had, however, refused to run checks on prime suspects such as
Andreas Strassmeir, Dennis Mahon, Michael Brescia, Tony and Peter Ward,
Chevie and Cheyne Kehoe, Mark Thomas, and others. Wilburn said FBI Agent
John Hersley told her that they would run the prints later. The Justice
Department, though, has announced that there is no on-going
investigation and "no evidence" of other suspects in the case.
http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/oklahomacity.shtml
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 23, 10:29 am, Morgan <...@email.non
See, here's just one problem with your kooker theories. Take this
The problem with this? Moroz didn't see Tim McVeigh. The driver of the
Ryder truck and his passenger have been identified by the FBI and they
were not McVeigh or JD2. You are probably blissfully unaware of this
but the fact is there were dozens of Ryder trucks on the streets of
OKC that mornign, as is typical. The FBI tracked them down and cleared
the incident at Moroz's tire store as completely unrelated.
Besides, are you so stupid as to "think" McVeigh had to stop and ask
for fuckin' DIRECTIONS to the building he knew well and had cased many
times before this and which is VISIBLE from Moroz's store?
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:12:33 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 23, 10:29 am, Morgan <...@email.non
What you don't get, little child, is that this Bircher creed was
debunked over a decade ago. I'm surprise dyou can even still find it.
You're so cute when you're stupid!
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:24:54 -0500, Morgan <...@email.non
You are delusional and liar. You belong to the trash.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:10:05 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 23, 11:24 am, Morgan <...@email.non
Hmmm. how come what I say is actually proven to be true while what you
say is a proven lie? How does your pea brain deal with that little
problem, kook?
What have I said that you mistakenly "think" is a lie? C'mon, put up
or shut up.
Nah, don't want to invade your space.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:19:57 -0400, BDK <...@sanity.com
In article <...@email.non says...
No, that's the stuff you do. It's probably genetic.
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BDK
BDK Klan leader?
Former #1 kOOk Magnet (Title passed to Larnrod!)
NJJ CLUB #1
Shillmaster
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:24:26 -0500, Morgan <...@email.non
Two Jewish criminals covering for their fellow terrorists, you were very
pissed at the KKK and got your revenge.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:36:24 -0400, BDK <...@sanity.com
In article <...@email.non says...
I was, why would I be? I'm not jewish, moron. I think that's a good
nickname for you, Moron.
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BDK
BDK Klan leader?
Former #1 kOOk Magnet (Title passed to Larnrod!)
NJJ CLUB #1
Shillmaster
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:16:25 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 23, 12:24 pm, Morgan <...@email.non
Are you mental?
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:26:40 -0400, BDK <...@sanity.com
In article <7e97dc4c-336c-48be-958d-70fa6ced96c3
@q33g2000pra.googlegroups.com
Is that a serious question?
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BDK
BDK Klan leader?
Former #1 kOOk Magnet (Title passed to Larnrod!)
NJJ CLUB #1
Shillmaster
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:12:32 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 24, 12:26 am, BDK <...@sanity.com
Trick question. We know the answer, but I wanted to see how he handled
it. Sssshhhhh! Don't tell him.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:49:28 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
: : : : : : : : :
: You are little poodle.
: Cover-up in OKC
: by William F. Jasper
So aside from a kook who is this jasper moron?
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Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:11:55 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 23, 11:49 am, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.comwrote:
Jasper is one more of the continual parade of right wing morons who
believe in these kooker conspiracies like OKC and 9/11 inside jobs. He
wrote that one for the John Birch Society magazine.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:27:37 -0500, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.com
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: Jasper is one more of the continual parade of right wing morons who
: believe in these kooker conspiracies like OKC and 9/11 inside jobs. He
: wrote that one for the John Birch Society magazine.
The vast majority of the 911 kookers are leftwingers. Their knee jerk reaction
is to think that Bush masterminded the 911 attacks because they hate him.
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Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:38:15 -0400, BDK <...@sanity.com
In article <...@email.non says...
BWHAHAHAHAH! You read it on a kooksite, of course.
Amazingly clueless, as ever, Moron.
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BDK
BDK Klan leader?
Former #1 kOOk Magnet (Title passed to Larnrod!)
NJJ CLUB #1
Shillmaster
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:18:17 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 23, 12:27 pm, Frank Pittel <...@warlock.deepthought.comwrote:
Bzzzzzt!!
I schololed your ass earlier on that mistake of yours, kooktard
Frankie Pitiful. As with OKC, the majority of 9/11 kookers are
rigtards, many of them Ron Paul kookers.
Wrong. There are many legitimate reasons to dislike moron Bush, mostly
the incredible damage his administration did to the nation. We don't
have to make shit up with the wealth of real reasons he gives us.
You'll just have to live witht he fact that the righties are the
kooks.
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:14:53 -0700 (PDT), Benj <...@iwaynet.net
On Apr 23, 3:18 pm, Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
And lefties are liars. I quess that cancels out...
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