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On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:05:02 -0700 (PDT), VT VirtualTruth <...@gmail.com
On Aug 15, 7:24 pm, "US Army Veteran" <...@invalid.com
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 02:27:04 -0400, Mr.B1ack <...@barrk.net
The rational voters are simply sick and tired of the extremely
increased costs and centralization of government that continues to
issue unwanted and un-needed one-size-fits-all federal programs that
neither accomplish anything nor result in the common good.
DCI
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On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:52:52 -0700 (PDT), fargo116 <...@yahoo.com
On Aug 15, 5:24 pm, "US Army Veteran" <...@invalid.com
No, you're attacking the first black president because not only can't
you stand getting beat by a democrat, you got your asses whipped by a
BLACK democrat.
S. Olson
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On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:58:02 -0400, "Skanky Piglosi A San Franskanko Freak" <Skank Freak @ SanFransicko.com
"fargo116" <...@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 15, 5:24 pm, "US Army Veteran" <...@invalid.com
No, you're attacking the first black president because not only can't
you stand getting beat by a democrat, you got your asses whipped by a
BLACK democrat.
S. Olson
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Hes as much white as he is black, and if he was born wiht hsi mums skin
complexion, no one would knoe who he is because he has accomplished nothing
in his life and hides all his historical records.
Obama: Where have
all his records gone?
Footprints of president's own history
either vanish or remain covered up
Posted: June 09, 2009
By Chelsea Schilling
While nearly 400,000 concerned citizens demand President Obama present his
elusive "long-form" birth certificate, more than a dozen other documents
remain unreleased or otherwise blocked from the public eye.
Numerous documents which have yet to be surrendered include the following.
Obama kindergarten records
The Maui News reported that Obama attended kindergarten at Noelani
Elementary School on Oahu during the school year 1966-67. It released a
photo of two teachers, Katherine Nakamoto and Aimee Yatsushiro, with five
students. The teachers claim one of the children is Barack Obama.
According to the Hawaii Department of Education, students must submit a
birth certificate to register. Parents may bring a passport or student visa
if the child is from a foreign country.
So far, no records have been released by the school. Noelani Elementary
School officials have not responded to WND's request for comment.
Punahou School records
Punahou's alleged 1979 yearbook photo of Obama playing basketball
Though from a modest background, Obama began attending the prestigious
Punahou School in Honolulu, one of Hawaii's top private institutions. He
reportedly received a scholarship and attended the school from the fifth
grade until he finished high school, though no financial records have been
released.
The Boston Globe reported, "In 1979, the year Obama graduated, tuition for
high school students at Punahou was $1,990, a sizable expense compared with
Hawaii's median family income of $22,750 that year.
Obama, reportedly a "B" student, studied among the island's richest and most
accomplished students. According to the school's website, he also played
forward on Punahou's 1979 state championship basketball team.
Occidental College records
Obama arrived at Occidental College, a small liberal arts school in Los
Angeles, Calif., in the fall of 1979. He only briefly mentions the school in
his 1995 memoir, "Dreams from My Father."
Obama attended the school on a scholarship. Some question whether the
financial aid he received was reserved for foreign students. Financial
records have not been released.
In a legal action, handled largely by Gary Kreep of the U.S. Justice
Foundation, officials at Occidental College were served with a demand to
produce records concerning Barack Obama's attendance there during the 1980s
because they could document whether he was attending as a foreign national.
Kreep petitioned the college with a demand for its records concerning Obama.
"The gravamen of the petition is the question as to whether United States
Senator Barack Hussein Obama, of Illinois, is eligible to serve as president
of the United States pursuant to the requirements for that office in the
United States Constitution," he wrote. "The records sought may provide
documentary evidence, and/or admissions by said defendant, as to said
eligibility or lack thereof."
College officials then contacted Obama's lawyers, who argued to the court
that the election was over and that future concerns should be addressed to
Congress.
The motion stated that the records, which could reveal on what name Obama
attended classes at Occidental and whether he attended on scholarship money
intended for foreign students, "are of no relevance to this moot
litigation."
The motion also claimed the petitioners failed to serve the subpoena
properly.
Get your "Where's the birth certificate?" bumper sticker here.
"The subpoena directed to Occidental College should therefore be quashed.
Alternatively, this court should issue an order directing that the
deposition of the custodian of records of Occidental College not take
place," the firm working on Obama's behalf stated.
"The central issue in this lawsuit . is whether any Respondent had a legal
duty to demand proof of natural born citizenship from Democratic Party's
nominee," the motion said. "None of the documents sought by petitioners
could possibly assist in answering this question."
A judge granted a motion to quash the subpoena.
"Obama's attorneys bent over backward to block us," Kreep told WND. "Obama
doesn't want anyone to see those records. He's trying to hide them."
(Story continues below)
His efforts resulted in a threat from Obama's attorneys to seek financial
sanctions against the plaintiff's lawyers.
Kreep said a notice of appeal will be filed next week.
A notice posted on the Occidental College website states, "Family
Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) regulations protect the privacy
of student education records. We, therefore, cannot disclose students'
classes, grade point averages, majors or other such information."
Columbia University records
Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University in 1981, at
the age of 20.
According to the New York Times, Obama "suggests in his book that his years
in New York were a pivotal period: He ran three miles a day, buckled down to
work and 'stopped getting high,' which he says he had started doing in high
school. Yet he declined repeated requests to talk about his New York years,
release his Columbia transcript or identify even a single fellow student,
co-worker, roommate or friend from those years."
Campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told the newspaper in October 2007, "He
doesn't
remember the names of a lot of people in his life."
In a 2005 profile in a Columbia alumni magazine, Obama called his time at
the school "an intense period of study."
"I spent a lot of time in the library. I didn't socialize that much. I was
like a monk," he said.
Obama claimed to be a part of the Black Student Organization and
anti-apartheid activities. But according to the New York Times, several
well-known student leaders did not recall his involvement.
Fox News made contact with 400 of Obama's classmates. No one remembered him.
The Columbia University chapter in Obama's life remains blank, according to
the New York Sun.
"The Obama campaign has refused to release his college transcript, despite
an academic career that led him to Harvard Law School and, later, to a
lecturing position at the University of Chicago," the Sun reported in
September 2008. "The shroud surrounding his experience at Columbia contrasts
with that of other major party nominees since 2000, all whom have eventually
released information about their college performance or seen it leaked to
the public."
When the newspaper inquired, the Obama campaign did not offer an explanation
for why the transcript had not been released.
According to the New York Sun, a program from Columbia's 1983 commencement
ceremony lists Obama as a graduate. University spokesman Brian Connolly
confirmed that Obama graduated with a major in political science but without
honors. Nonetheless, he was later admitted to Harvard Law School.
Columbia thesis "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament"
Before applying to Harvard, Obama is said to have written a major thesis in
his senior year. It has not been released.
Soviet nuclear missile
An Oct 30, 2007, a New York Times article stated, "[Obama] barely mentions
Columbia, training ground for the elite, where he transferred in his junior
year, majoring in political science and international relations and writing
his thesis on Soviet nuclear disarmament."
Former Columbia professor, Michael Baron, told NBC News Obama excelled in
his year-long honors seminar called American Foreign Policy.
He also said Obama spent an whole year writing a "thesis" or "senior thesis"
on the topic of nuclear negotiations with the former Soviet Union.
"My recollection is that the paper was an analysis of the evolution of the
arms reduction negotiations between the Soviet Union and the United States,"
Baron told reporters in an e-mail. "At that time, a hot topic in foreign
policy circles was finding a way in which each country could safely reduce
the large arsenal of nuclear weapons pointed at the other . For U.S. policy
makers in both political parties, the aim was not disarmament, but achieving
deep reductions in the Soviet nuclear arsenal and keeping a substantial and
permanent American advantage. As I remember it, the paper was about those
negotiations, their tactics and chances for success. Barack got an A."
Baron said he saved Obama's paper and recently searched through boxes hoping
to find it, but he told reporters he may have thrown it away during a move
several years ago.
Baron wrote a letter of recommendation when Obama applied to Harvard Law
School. According to Federal Election Commission records, he also donated at
least $1,250 to Obama's presidential campaign.
On July 24, 2008, the Obama administration told NBC News Obama was unable to
release copies of his thesis paper.
"We do not have a copy of the course paper you requested and neither does
Columbia University," Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said.
According to MSNBC, Columbia University officials claim they do not have a
copy available in the college's archives.
Harvard Law School records
With less than steller marks upon his graduation from Columbia, Obama was
accepted into Harvard Law School.
WND columnist Jack Cashill wrote, "If Obama's LSAT scores merited admission
(to Harvard), we would know about them. We don't. The Obama camp guards
those scores, like his SAT scores, more tightly that Iran does its nuclear
secrets."
He continued, "We know enough about Obama's Columbia grades to know how far
they fall below the Harvard norm, likely even below the affirmative
action-adjusted black norm at Harvard."
Cashill wrote, Khalid al-Mansour, principle adviser to Saudi Prince
Al-Waleed bin Talal, lobbied friends like Manhattan Borough President Percy
Sutton to intervene at Harvard on Obama's behalf. Al-Mansour reportedly
mentored founders of the Black Panther party in the early 1960s.
Cashill suggests Obama's "shyness" about his Harvard experience may stem
from his reluctance to broadcast his connections.
According to Politico, Obama's name does not appear on any legal
scholarships during his time at Harvard. His campaign reportedly said his
Harvard education was a product of hard work and student loans. Obama
graduated magna cum laude in 1991.
Harvard Law Review articles
In 1990, Obama beat out 18 other contenders to become the first black
president of the Harvard Law Review, where he spent at least 50 hours a week
editing submissions from judges, scholars and authors.
According to Politico, there were "eight dense volumes produced during his
time in charge there - 2,083 pages in all."
Campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told Politico Obama didn't write any articles
for the Review, but he did leave behind numerous case analyses and unsigned
"notes" from Harvard students.
As Matthew Franck noted in National Review Online, "A search of the
HeinOnline database of law journals turns up exactly nothing credited to
Obama in any law review anywhere at any time."
Susan Estrich, the first female president of the Review who served 14 years
earlier, said Obama must have had something published that year, even if his
campaign denied it.
"They probably don't want [to] have you [reporters] going back" to examine
the Review, she said.
)
However, Politico later reported it had unearthed a 1990 article that
"offers a glimpse at Obama's views on abortion policy and the law during his
student days."
His six-page summary answers a legal question about whether fetuses should
be allowed to file lawsuits against their mothers.
"Obama's answer, like most courts': No," Politico reported. "He wrote
approvingly of an Illinois Supreme Court ruling that the unborn cannot sue
their mothers for negligence, and he suggested that allowing fetuses to sue
would violate the mother's rights and could, perversely, cause her to take
more risks with her pregnancy."
The report continued, "His article acknowledged a public interest in the
health of the fetus, but also seemed to demonstrate his continuing
commitment to abortion rights, and suggested that the government may have
more important concerns than 'ensuring that any particular fetus is born.'"
Despite its earlier statement, the Obama campaign later confirmed Obama's
authorship of the article and claimed it was the only piece he had written
for the Review.
University of Chicago scholarly articles
Obama teaches constitutional law at the University of Chicago (photo:
Obama campaign)
Obama lectured at the University of Chicago Law School, a top school where
the faculty is known for voluminous scholarly publishing, from 1992 until
2004.
The university offered Obama a full-time tenure-track position, an honor
typically reserved for published instructors. However, reporters have been
unable to find scholarly articles authored by him. The university reports
that Obama declined the tenure offer.
Passport
According to March 2008 reports, State Department employees conducted an
unauthorized search of Obama's passport files during the recent presidential
campaign. CNN reported that three different contract workers accessed his
information on separate occasions - Jan. 9, Feb. 21 and March 14 - without
authorization. Two workers were fired and another faced discipline.
Obama's files reportedly contained copies of passport applications, birth
date, basic biographical information, records of passport renewal and
possibly citizenship information.
The Obama campaign demanded a thorough investigation to determine which
employees looked at the file and why.
"This is an outrageous breach of security and privacy, even from an
administration that has shown little regard for either over the last eight
years," Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton told CNN in a statement. "Our
government's duty is to protect the private information of the American
people, not use it for political purposes."
Meanwhile, a key witness who had been cooperating with federal investigators
was later found fatally shot in front of a Washington, D.C., church. A
police officer found the body of Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, slumped dead
inside his car.
At the time, investigators said they didn't have any information connecting
the murder to the passport case. After one year of investigation of the
homicide, there have been no arrests.
The passport has not been released.
Medical records
During his first presidential campaign in 1999, Sen. John McCain released
1,500 pages of medical and psychiatric records collected by the Navy. In
2008, McCain allowed reporters to spend three hours sifting through 1,200
pages of health records.
In 1999, former Vice President Al Gore released medical records revealing
mildly elevated" cholesterol levels and removal of a common form of skin
cancer from his forehead in 1997. The documents disclosed his weight,
resting heart rate, resting blood pressure, cardiovascular fitness and a
variety of other health details. Gore's records were compiled after a
complete physical examination by several military physicians.
Likewise, President George W. Bush allowed the media to view about 400 pages
of personal medical information in 2000 and 2004.
After initial reluctance, Sen. John Kerry allowed the Navy to release his
full medical records in 2004.
While not all have done so, it has been common practice for presidential
candidates to release medical records.
However, Barack Obama, a relatively young candidate who was said to have
been in "excellent health," refused to release medical records. Instead, he
simply provided a six-paragraph note from his physician briefly summarizing
21 years of doctor visits and health information.
The letter contained no supporting documentation.
Other documents
)
Other documents that remain unreleased include:
a.. Complete files and schedules of his years as an Illinois state senator
from 1997 to 2004
a.. Obama's client list from during his time in private practice with the
Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard
a.. Illinois State Bar Association records
a.. Baptism records
a.. Obama/Dunham marriage license
a.. Obama/Dunham divorce documents
a.. Soetoro/Dunham marriage license
a.. Adoption records
Birth certificate
WND has been reporting since before the election on questions - and
lawsuits - raised over Obama's birth and eligibility. He reported in his
book he was born in Hawaii and his half-sister agrees. But the woman the
president says is his paternal grandmother, Sarah Obama, claimed to have
been present at her grandson's birth in Mombasa, Kenya.
The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural
born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption
of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills the
"natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still want to see
it, join more than 380,000 others and sign up now!
Complicating the issue are Obama's move to Indonesia as a child, where he
reportedly attended that nation's public schools, and his later travels to
Pakistan, raising questions about on what nation's passport was that travel
accomplished. Then there are the multiple law firms hired to make certain
Obama's long-form birth certificate information, and other documentation
such as college records, remain sealed from public view.
Obama's presidential campaign released to select news organizations only
what is known as a "certification of live birth," a document obtainable in
Hawaii in 1961 by Americans actually born outside the country. However,
Joseph Farah, WND editor and chief executive officer, has been calling for
the release of Obama's long-form birth certificate showing the hospital of
his birth, attending physician and other details to confirm his citizenship
status.
Farah launched a national billboard campaign last month in an effort to keep
the issue before the American people. The billboards, being leased around
the country, ask the simple question, "Where's the birth certificate?" Farah
is asking the public to support his campaign with donations. So far, more
than $75,000 has been collected.
The billboard campaign followed one launched months earlier to collect the
names on an electronic petition demanding accountability and transparency on
the issue. So far, that petition has gathered nearly 400,000 names.
The campaign got a boost recently when WND White House correspondent Les
Kinsolving asked Obama's press secretary, Robert Gibbs, why the president
wouldn't release his birth certificate. Gibbs' response was covered live on
C-SPAN and by Fox News Channel and others - excluding CBS.
It was the first time any member of the press corps has publicly asked a
member of the administration a question directly related to Obama's
constitutional eligibility for office as a "natural born citizen."
Congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was
constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," but
no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a
Hawaiian birth.
Both the petition and the billboard campaign are part of what Farah calls an
independent "truth and transparency campaign."
The first sign to be posted under the campaign, a digital, electronic one,
is up and online on Highway 165 in Ball, La.. In addition, based on the
heavy volume of financial donations in the first days of the campaign, WND
was able to commit to leasing three more standard billboards - one in Los
Angeles, another in Orange County, Calif. and a third in Pennsylvania.
Farah said the campaign was born of frustration with timid elected officials
in Washington, corrupt judges around the country and a news media that show
a stunning lack of curiosity about the most basic facts of Obama's
background - especially how it relates to constitutional eligibility for the
highest office in the land.
"As Obama transforms this country from self-governing constitutional
republic to one governed by a central ruling elite, the simple fact remains
that no controlling legal authority has established that he is indeed a
'natural born citizen' as the Constitution requires," Farah said. "Obama's
promises of transparency have become a bad joke as he continues to hide
simple, innocuous documents like his birth certificate and his student
records."
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:22:04 -0500, mcClam and McMILF lost to a Black Muslim man from Kenya <...@hhh.com
From Kenya to boot. Just shows how out of touch the Wacko right are .
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Anonymous Wrote:
mcClam and McMILF lost to a Black Muslim man from Kenya
<...@hhh.com
To the average Repubclian, every non white must be a foreigner.
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It's time to start killing insurance companies in bathtubs.
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:56:34 -0700 (PDT), "edi...@netpath.net" <...@netpath.net
On Aug 18, 8:22 am, mcClam and McMILF lost to a Black Muslim man from
Kenya <...@hhh.com
Bullshit. When the LIBERALS attacked George W. Bush over his
"legitimacy" immediately after his election and inauguration, that
wasn't because Bush was nonwhite - yet he still was attacked like no
prior president.
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/04/where-is-your-townhall/ is
the all-states, continually-updated calendar of "town halls."
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:30:23 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Aug 18, 6:56 am, "edi...@netpath.net" <...@netpath.net
Correct. It was because he stole the election with his brother and his
daddy's SCOTUS appointments.
Except for Rutherfraud Hayes.
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:05:15 -0500, mcClam and McMILF lost to a Black Muslim man from Kenya <...@hhh.com
I though Shrub was attacked because of his (lack of) air force record,
or his bankruptcies in Midland, hazed relation with Dallas's baseball
stadium, low IQ, dim witted behavior, or maybe invasion of a sovereign
country.
PS. His wife killed a student in an alcohol induced fog driving
accident, and his daughters are drunks.
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:50:22 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty <...@Talk-n-dog.com
Where is Obama's transparency, his school records.... his DNA tests to
prove his lineage...
What did you elect his wife to? What did you elect his daughters to be?
You seem to be confused as to who was/is running things. Bush is
retired and doesn't effect your life by passing or vetoing laws, Obama
does. You need to concentrate on Obama who actually is creating a mess.
--
*BE VERY CONCERNED*
"Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it,
or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries.
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci -
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:50:52 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <...@yahoo.com
On Aug 18, 12:50 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
dog.com
WTF??? You don't get any of that shit, so STFU and eat your shit
sandwich while we cure America from republican diseased mismanagement.
We'd have been better off if his wife or daughters had run things.
Maybe less damage.
Obama is FIXING the mess AWOL left behind. You wouldn't know because
you're stupidly blinded by your corporate masters.
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:15:37 +0200, Anonymous Remailer <...@awxcnx.de
In article <...@news.suddenlink.netmcClam and McMILF lost to a Black Muslim man from Kenya
<...@hhh.com
Obviously your thinking is in error since draft dodger Clinton
began the invasion of a foreign country in 1999.
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/bill-clinton-draft.htm
Clinton's Draft Avoidance
A teacher named Renee, seeking additional information for her
class, asked me several questions in regard to my personal
experiences and feelings about Vietnam. One of the questions
Renee asked was if I thought we would have won the war if it
were not for the war demonstrators. My response was as follows.
" Yes, I believe we would have had a victory in South Vietnam if
it were not for the peace demonstrations and the yellow
journalism of the press .
I have very strong feelings about the anti-war demonstrators. I
felt there actions gave the enemy hope and by doing so they were
guilty of treason !!! You may want to look at the timing of the
demonstrations. The war started in 1964 for all practical
purposes. Enrollment to colleges and Universities grew
enormously. As students start to flunk out or graduate the
demonstrations became larger. The students were fearful that
they or their loved ones may have to go and fight in the war.
Here is an example how our President felt about the war.... "
To give an illustration of how a prominent current leader
avoided the draft in favor of college, I searched the Internet
for Bill Clinton's ROTC letter and his involvement in the
Vietnam War demonstrations in England. The following is what I
found on the internet.
Allow me say something up front. My opinion is that Bill
Clinton's actions toward the draft was not a separate case, but
his actions, and those of his family and friends using influence
were reflected throughout the United States by thousands of
other American families. The vast majority of male students
attending colleges and universities were very concerned by and
fearful of the draft. Most did not go to Bill Clinton's
extremes.
The outline on Bill Clinton and the Draft was posted on several
sites on the internet with only one site at
http://www.unclesam.net/cny/mil/bc-lettr.htm (This link is now
down) giving credit for the outline to the Free Republic web
site at http://www.freerepublic.com .
August 19, 1964 - Clinton registers for the draft
--[Washington Post Sep 13 92]
September 1964 - Clinton, age 18, enters Georgetown University
--[The Comeback Kid, CF Allen and J Portis, p. 20]
November 17, 1964- Clinton is classified 2-S (student
deferment). This will shield him from the draft throughout his
undergraduate years.
---[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
February 16, 1968 - "The Johnson administration unexpectedly
abolished graduate deferments."
--[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
March 20, 1968 - Clinton, age 21, is classified 1-A, eligible
for induction, as he nears graduation from Georgetown.
--[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
Comment: Bill Clinton was the only man of his prime draft age
classified1-A by that draft board in 1968 whose pre-induction
physical examination was put off for 10.5 months. This delay was
more than twice as long as anyone else and more than five times
longer than most area men of comparable eligibility.
--[Los Angeles Times Sep 02 92]
Summer 1968 - Political and family influence keeps Clinton out
of the draft. Robert Corrado -- the only surviving Hot Springs
draft board member from that period -- concluded that Clinton's
draft statement (the long delays) was the result of "some form
of preferential treatment." According to the Times, "Corrado
recalled that the chairman of the three-man draft panel ... once
held back Clinton's file with the explanation that 'we've got to
give him time to go to Oxford,' where the semester began in the
fall of 1968.
Corrado also complained that he was called by an aide to then
Senator J. William Fulbright urging him and his fellow board
members to 'give every consideration' to keep Clinton out of the
draft so he could attend Oxford.
Throughout the remainder of 1968, Corrado said, Clinton's draft
file was routinely held back from consideration by the full
board. Consequently, although he was classified 1-A on March 20,
1968, he was not called for his physical exam until Feb 3, 1969,
while he was at Oxford.
Clinton's Uncle Raymond Clinton personally lobbied Senator
Fulbright, William S. Armstrong, the chairman of the three-man
Hot Springs draft board, and Lt. Comdr. Trice Ellis, Jr.,
commanding officer of the local Navy reserve unit, to obtain a
slot for Clinton in the Naval Reserve.
Clinton secured a "standard enlisted man's billet, not an
officer's slot which would have required Clinton to serve two
years on active duty beginning within 12 months of his
acceptance." This Navy Reserve assignment was "created
especially for the Bill Clinton at a time in 1968 when no
existing reserve slots were open in his hometown unit."
According to the LA Times, "after about two weeks waiting for
Bill Clinton to arrive for his preliminary interview and
physical exam, Ellis said he called (Clinton's uncle) Raymond to
inquire - 'What happened to that boy?' According to Ellis,
Clinton's uncle replied - 'Don't worry about it. He won't be
coming down. "It's all been taken care of.' "
--[LA Times Sep 02 92]
Fall 1968 - Because of the local draft board's continuing
postponement of his pre-induction physical, Clinton is able to
enroll at Oxford Univ.
--[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
February 2, 1969 - While at Oxford, Clinton finally takes and
passes a military physical examination.
--[Washington Times Sep 18 92]
April 1969 - Clinton receives induction notice from the Hot
Springs AR draft board. Clinton however claims that the draft
board told him to ignore the notice because it arrived after the
deadline for induction.
--[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
June-July 1969 - Clinton receives a second induction notice with
a July 28 induction date and returns home.
--[Wash Times Sep 18 92]
July 11, 1969 - Clinton's friend at Oxford, Cliff Jackson,
writes, "Clinton is feverishly trying to find a way to avoid
entering the Army as a drafted private. I have had several of my
friends in influential positions trying to pull strings on
Bill's behalf."
-- [LA Times Sep 26 92]
Clinton benefited from yet another lobbying campaign in order to
evade this induction notice. "Democratic presidential candidate
Bill Clinton, who has said he did not pull strings to avoid the
Vietnam-era draft, was able to get his Army induction notice
canceled in the summer of 1969 after a lobbying effort directed
at the Republican head of the state draft agency." Arrangements
were made for Clinton to meet with Col. Williard A. Hawkins who
"was the only person in Arkansas with authority to rescind a
draft notice. ... The apparently successful appeal to Hawkins
was planned while Clinton was finishing his first year as a
Rhodes scholar in England. Clinton's former friend and Oxford
classmate, Cliff Jackson -- now an avowed political critic of
the candidate -- said it was pursued immediately upon Clinton's
return to AR in early July 1969 to beat a July 28 deadline for
induction."
-- [LA Times Sep 26 92]
Comment: Jackson's statement is contrary to Clinton's repeated
assertions that he received no special treatment in avoiding
military service. "(I) never received any unusual or favorable
treatment." [LA Times Sep 02 92]
August 7, 1969 - Clinton is reclassified 1-D after he arranges
to enter the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas.
--[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
According to Cliff Jackson, Clinton's Oxford classmate, Clinton
used the ROTC program to "kill the draft notice, to avoid
reporting on the July 28 induction date, which had already been
postponed. And he did that by promising to serve his country in
the ROTC, number one, to enroll in the law school that fall ...
and he never enrolled."
--[Wash Times Sep 17 92]
Comment - Clinton's admission into the ROTC program again runs
contrary to his repeated statements that he received no special
treatment in order to evade military service. Col. Eugene
Holmes, commander of the University of Arkansas ROTC program,
said Clinton was admitted after pressure from the Hot Springs
draft board and the office of Senator J. William Fulbright (D-
AR).
Again, Clinton was receiving preferential treatment. In
addition, records from the Army reveal that Clinton was not
legally eligible for the ROTC program at that time. Army
regulations required recruits to be enrolled at the university
and attending classes full-time before being admitted to an ROTC
program.
Fall 1969 - Clinton returns to Oxford for a second year. Clinton
was supposed to be at the Arkansas Law School. However,
according to Cliff Jackson, "Sen. Fulbright's office and Bill
himself continued to exert tremendous pressure on poor Col.
Holmes to get him [Clinton] to go back to Oxford."
--[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
September 14, 1969 - The Arkansas Gazette, published in Little
Rock, headlined a draft suspension was reportedly planned by the
President.
Comment - The article, citing a source, said Selective Service
reforms when implemented, would only permit the conscription of
19-year-old men. In addition, the source said "the Army would
send to Vietnam only enlistees, professional soldiers, and those
draftees who volunteered to go." The source contended that these
reforms, combined with troop withdrawals, "would put pressure on
the Congress to enact draft legislation already proposed by the
President ... and set up a lottery to conscript only 19-year-old
men," the Gazette reported.
From his letter to Col. Holmes, Bill Clinton said "....Finally,
on Sept. 12 I stayed up all night writing a letter to the
chairman of my draft board,......I never mailed the letter, but
I did carry it on me every day until I got on the plane to
return to England.". It is very probable that Bill Clinton was
in the United States and well aware of the above proposal on Sep
14, 1969. Bill Clinton was 23 years old.
September 19, 1969 - "President Nixon, facing turmoil on college
campuses, suspended draft calls for November and December of
1969 and said the October call would be spread out over three
months."
--[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
The President also indicated that if the Congress did not act to
establish a lottery system, he would remove by executive order
the vulnerability to the draft of all men age 20 to 26.
Comment - Again, Clinton was 23 years old.
September-October 1969 - "At some point, Clinton decided to make
himself eligible for the draft and said in February 1992 his
stepfather had acted in his behalf to accomplish this. Newsweek,
attributing the information to campaign officials, said this all
happened in Oct 1969. Clinton spokesperson Betsey Wright ...
said she believed it took place in September. The difference is
potentially significant. ... If Clinton did not act to give up
his deferment until October, he could have known he faced no
liability from the draft until the following summer, that he
could take his chances with the lottery and find alternative
service if he got a low number."
--[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
October 1, 1969 - "Nixon announced that anyone in graduate
school could complete the full year."
--[Wash Post Sep 13 92]
Comment - Clinton is now safe from the draft through June 1970.
October 1969 - President Nixon suspends call-up of additional
draftees until a draft lottery is held in December.
October 15, 1969 - Clinton organized and led anti-war
demonstrations in London.
-- [Wash Times Sep 18 92]
Comment - According to McSorley, Clinton's demonstrations "had
the support of British peace organizations" such as the British
Peace Council, an arm of the KGB-backed World Peace Council.
October 30, 1969 - Clinton is reclassified 1-A, eligible for
induction.
--[Wash Times Sep 28 92]
Comment - "Clinton said he put himself into the draft by
contacting his draft board in September or October and asking to
be reclassified 1-A. ... It is not clear, however, whether that
occurred at Clinton's urging or whether his failure to enroll at
University of Arkansas automatically cancelled his 1-D
deferment."
Clinton has never produced any evidence to substantiate his
claim that he initiated his reclassification.
November 16, 1969 - Clinton organized and led anti-war
demonstrations in London.
December 1, 1969 - Clinton draws #311 in the first draft lottery.
--[Wash Times Sep 18 92]
Comment - Clinton was virtually assured that he would not be
drafted because of the high lottery number.
December 3, 1969 - While still in England, Clinton writes to Lt.
Col. Eugene Holmes, , commander of the University of Arkansas
ROTC Program and states, "From my work I came to believe that
the draft system is illegitimate ... I decided to accept the
draft in spite of my beliefs for one reason - to maintain my
political viability."
Clinton's ROTC Letter
As Entered in Congressional Record (Page: H5550) 7/30/93
Dear Col. Holmes,
I am sorry to be so long in writing. I know I promised to let
you hear from me at least once a month, and from now on you
will, but I have to have some time to think about this first
letter. Almost daily since my return to England I have thought
about writing,about what I want to and ought to say.
First, I want to thank you, not only for saving me from the
draft, but for being so kind to me last summer, when I was as
low as I have ever been. One thing that made the bond we struck
in good faith somewhat palatable to me was my high regard for
you personally. In retrospect, it seems that the admiration
might not have been mutual had you known a little more about me,
about my political beliefs and activities. At least you might
have thought me more fit for the draft than for ROTC.
Let me try to explain. As you know, I worked in a very minor
position on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I did it for
the experience and the salary but also for the opportunity,
however small, of working every day against a war I opposed and
despised with a depth of feeling I had reserved solely for
racism in America before Vietnam. I did not take the matter
lightly but studied it carefully, and there was a time when not
many people had more information about Vietnam at hand than I
did.
I have written and spoken and marched against the war. One of
the national organizers of the Vietnam Moratorium is a close
friend of mine. After I left Arkansas last summer, I went to
Washington to work in the national headquarters of the
Moratorium, then to England to organize the Americans here for
demonstrations October 15 and November 16.
Interlocked with the war is the draft issue, which I did not
begin to consider separately until early 1968. For a law seminar
at Georgetown I wrote a paper on the legal arguments for and
against allowing, within the Selective Service System, the
classification of selective conscientious objection, for those
opposed to participation in a particular war, not simply to
"participation in war in any form."
From my work, I came to believe that the draft system itself is
illegitimate. No government really rooted in limited,
parliamentary democracy should have the power to make its
citizens fight and kill and die in a war they may oppose, a war
which even possibly may be wrong, a war, which in any case, does
not involve immediately the peace and freedom of the nation. The
draft was justified in World War II because the life of the
people collectively was at stake.
Individuals had to fight, if the nation was to survive, for the
lives of their country and their way of life. Vietnam is no such
case. Nor was Korea an example where, in my opinion, certain
military action was justified but the draft was not, for the
reasons stated above.
Because of my opposition to the draft and the war, I am in great
sympathy with those who are not willing to fight, kill, and
maybe die for their country (i.e. the particular policy of a
particular government) right or wrong. Two of my friends at
Oxford are conscientious objectors. I wrote a letter of
recommendation for one of them to his Mississippi draft board, a
letter I am more proud of than anything else I wrote at Oxford
last year. One of my roommates is a draft resister who is
possibly under indictment and may never be able to go home
again. He is one of the bravest, best men I know. His country
needs men like him more than they know. That he is considered a
criminal is an obscenity.
The decision not to be a resister and the related subsequent
decisions were the most difficult of my life. I decided to
accept the draft in spite of my beliefs for one reason only, to
maintain my political viability within the system. For years I
have worked to prepare myself for a political life characterized
by both practical political ability and concern for rapid social
progress. It is a life I still feel compelled to try to lead. I
do not think our system of government is by definition corrupt,
however dangerous and inadequate it has been in recent years.
(The society may be corrupt, but that is not the same thing, and
if that is true we are all
finished anyway.)
When the draft came, despite political convictions, I was having
a hard time facing the prospect of fighting a war I had been
fighting against, and that is why I contacted you. ROTC was the
one way in which I could possibly, but not positively, avoid
both Vietnam and the resistance. Going on with my education,
even coming back to England, played no part in my decision to
join ROTC. I am back here, and would have been at Arkansas Law
School because there is nothing else I can do. I would like to
have been able to take a year out perhaps to teach in a small
college or work on some community action project and in the
process to decide whether to attend law school or graduate
school and how to begin putting what I have learned to use.
But the particulars of my personal life are not near as
important to me as the principles involved. After I signed the
ROTC letter of intent I began to wonder whether the compromise I
had made with myself was not more objectionable than the draft
would have been, because I had no interest in the ROTC program
itself and all I seem to have done was to protect myself from
physical harm. Also, I had begun to think that I had deceived
you, not by lies--there were none--but by failing to tell you
all of the things I'm telling you now. I doubt I had the mental
coherence to articulate them then.
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At that time, after we had made our agreement and you had sent
my 1D deferment to my draft board, the anguish and loss of my
self regard and self confidence really set in. I hardly slept
for weeks and kept going by eating compulsively and reading
until exhaustion brought sleep. Finally, on September 12 I
stayed up all night writing a letter to the chairman of my draft
board, saying basically what is in the preceding paragraph,
thanking him for trying to help in a case where he really
couldn't, and stating that I couldn't do the ROTC after all and
would he please draft me as soon as possible.
I never mailed the letter, but I did carry it with me every day
until I got on the plane to return to England. I didn't mail the
letter because I didn't see, in the end, how my going in the
army and maybe going to Vietnam would achieve anything except a
feeling that I had punished myself and gotten what I deserved.
So I came back to England to try to make something of the second
year of my Rhodes scholarship.
And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been
good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am
writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help
you understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to
find themselves loving their country but loathing the military,
to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes
and the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no
longer clear what is service and what is dis-service, or if it
is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal.
Forgive the length of this letter. There was much to say. There
is still a lot to be said, but it can wait. Please say hello to
Colonel
Jones for me.
Merry Christmas.
Sincerely,
Bill Clinton
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