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On Thu, 14 May 2009 07:57:51 -0700 (PDT), "Mr. Green" <...@wheatleymetalfabrications.co.uk
On 13 May, 22:29, "G-Dawg" <...@nospam.charter.net
I bought one of these about a year ago, when they first came out. I do
use both mp3 slow down facility and the A-B looping. Those are really
helpful when working stuff out. I've also used it to record some of my
LP's to mp3. I don't use it as much as I thought I would. On a more
positive note, I think it's a useful tool and I should use it more
'cause, when I do I usually learn something which helps my playing.
I suppose I enjoy playing guitar a lot more than messing with
recording devices. Thought this box would be a simple option. It does
have pretty well every feature I could ever need but moving through
the menus is a bit labourious. I think a few knobs for tone and volume
may have been a better arrangement.
So far I've been playing / recording directly into the BR using the
amp sims. Think I need to set up a line out or a mic and, record from
my amp. To be honest, I just want someone else to come and push all
the buttons and just let me play the guitar ;-)
Green
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 18:47:51 GMT, "olddog" <...@address.com
"Mr. Green" <...@f16g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
I've never used a micro-br but I think the OP has the age old problem of
getting the true tone.
A good mic is an absolute must. From what I've heard a Shure sm57 or 58 is a
good amp mic.
I don't have one but I do have a AKG C1000 S which works well but placement
is everything with it.
YMMV
od
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 17:00:19 -0400, "G-Dawg" <...@nospam.charter.net
"olddog" <...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
I hear you OD. I've got tone... My BR has a bunch of fake tone. All the
effects seem like they have too much gain. Even when I turn the db on the
efffect down it still is a dirty tone. I need to record the tone of my Strat
with my BF Fenders! Guess I'll have to start messing with those Shure mics
you're referring to.
Thanks!
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On Fri, 15 May 2009 01:04:40 -0700 (PDT), "Mr. Green" <...@wheatleymetalfabrications.co.uk
On 14 May, 22:00, "G-Dawg" <...@nospam.charter.net
Think you've hit the nail on the head. I got out my BR last night and
set it up to record dry then, played back the recording and tried
adding different amp sims. They all sound brittle to my ears and, many
are OTT as you said. I like a warm crunch tone which is clear enough
to allow me to mix triads in with single note lines. Found I could get
a better tone just running my guitar through a home made fuzzface,
into the BR with the amp sim off but the speaker sim on.
Conclusion, it's the amp sims that let the BR down. The speaker sims
are good, the slow down and loop features are good, the mixing
features are pretty useful too. As usually, tubes and analogue effects
seem to top digital for warmth and feel.
Green
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On Wed, 13 May 2009 15:05:27 -0700, "Lumpy" <...@digitalcartography.com
I heard that's what Miles Davis used to use to practice.
He'd set up the machine to record then spit on it.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Something Years
http://www.LumpyMusic.com
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On Wed, 13 May 2009 18:19:14 -0400, "G-Dawg" <...@nospam.charter.net
"Lumpy" <...@mid.individual.net...
Oh snap... Lumpy's in the house!
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On Wed, 13 May 2009 15:38:38 -0700, "Lumpy" <...@digitalcartography.com
Oh snap!
Snap?
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Something Years
http://www.LumpyMusic.com
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 00:40:11 GMT, Rufus <...@home.com
...that's what happens when you spit on a Micro BR.
--
- Rufus
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 05:38:52 -0400, "G-Dawg" <...@nospam.charter.net
"Rufus" <...@attbi_s22...
I would like to thank both of you for the wonderful adult conversation. I
have learned lots from this beginner discussion.
I guess the old saying goes, "you get what you pay for".
-GDawg
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 07:33:48 -0700 (PDT), Derek <...@ycoaoffice.com
It is a wonderful tool GDawg.
I have a good friend who is a bassist, and we have gotten together to
play jazz for about 2-3 years now.
We always use the Micro BR to record our sessions. Very easy to use.
It is amazing to listen back to what you just played. Great exercise
for improving.
I highly recommend using something like this to record your playing
for brutally honest feedback.
We have not used the backing tracks and other features, so I can't
speak to that.
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 18:20:32 -0500, kitekrazy <...@sbcglobal.net
You understand the purpose of all of those mini recorders. They are for
spontaneous recording, nothing planned to get the cd quality sound.
Over 30 years ago people used portable cassette recorders with built in
mics.
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On Fri, 15 May 2009 16:57:27 +0000 (UTC), Charmed Snark <...@cogeco.ca
kitekrazy expounded in news...@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com:
If you don't use the MP3 compression feature, you can still
get good 24-bit CD sampled quality, which is a darn site better
than any cassette recorder.
I'd love to have one myself, but I'll have to wait until everyone has
one and the price has come down to my "hobby level". Or, perhaps next
year, if there is still a company bonus (the outlook on that is not
looking rosy at this point).
Snark.
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 14:34:50 GMT, "olddog" <...@mind.com
"G-Dawg" <...@newsfe13.iad...
I think the recorder is a great idea. I never knew how awful I sounded until
I got mine.
But I don't like the cards. I prefer one with a hard-drive like the br-1200.
Good luck and it sounds like you're on the right track. Post some clips.
od
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 16:58:14 -0400, "G-Dawg" <...@nospam.charter.net
"olddog" <...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Thank, I appreciate the opinions. The little guy on the right shoulder is
telling me I don't need it, it's a toy, I'm wasting my money. The little guy
sitting on th lft shoulder says, ah what the heck, it's a great learning
tool, what's a couple of bucks... So I was/am almost tempted to bring it
back.
I have plenty of tone... just bought a Mayer sig Strat, own a hand wired BF
Deluxe Reverb and BF Princeton Reverb. Just bought an ME-70 (replacement for
my ME-50) and a new RC-2 looper peddle to get my jam on. So while I wait for
the BOSS ensembles arrival I've been tinkering with this BR. (Talk about
G.A.S.!)
So I am just trying to justify in my own mind that I NEED this BR on my
quest to become a better guitarist. I am a newbie, been at it off and on for
over 17 years and I still suck. (well maybe not suck... yep, probably suck)
But I'm trying to turn all this note, chord and theory learning into MUSIC!
There's a big difference from some note, lick, scale playing than firing off
a handful of songs (MUSIC!). I know ya'll have been there ad know what I'm
talking about.
As for recordings... You know (proably "back in the day") when you played
infront of someone and you couldn;t do anything right? Well my recorder
gives me similar stress and my brain isn't in coast mode yet. I got a ways
to go... But like a good ride on the Harley, it's about the journey, not the
destination. (It's just an expensive journey!)
Thanks again!
Gdawg
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 17:32:21 -0400, Paul P <...@c.org
Another great learning tool is a video camera. It mercilessly shows
you what you look and sound like. I record the sound to an Edirol R-1
flash recorder but use good mics through a preamp up front.
Before playing I knock a couple a cd's together in front of the camera
(like the board thing in movie production) so I can line the 'clack's
in the soundtrack up with the movement in the picture using my Studio
video editing software.
So I get an image and good sound, and burn a DVD for posterity.
Paul P
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On Fri, 15 May 2009 16:58:34 +0000 (UTC), Charmed Snark <...@cogeco.ca
G-Dawg expounded in news...@newsfe20.iad:
If you don't like it, send it my way. =)
Snark.
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 23:08:33 -0700, "Lumpy" <...@digitalcartography.com
Here's a serious comment.
I have a vox student that bought a micro BR.
She's not an idiot. She knows how to run electronic
gizmos. She has iPods, Blackberrys, etc.
But she has a hell of a time with the BR. More times
than not, her attempt to simply turn the thing on
RECORD fails and she ends up not recording the
session or performance. And also pretty regularly,
the readout seems to indicate that she's recording
but when she goes to retrieve the recorded material,
it's not there or the level is so low that it can't
be heard or even "massaged" later in post to bring
it up to normal level. All that even though the
little LCD screen shows appropriate "bars" on record.
Thinking she had a bad unit, she returned and exchanged
it for another. No difference in the problems. Her
husband, her college age kids, nobody seems to have
any better luck than she has.
Apparently there's a lot of "hold down function for
more than .5 sec but less than 1.5 sec and then hit
[XYZ] key" etc.
So in her case, at least, it's an expensive but
very unreliable toy.
FWIW, the best, small format recorder I've ever used
was a mini-disc. It's kind of old technology now.
But the interface was very simple. Just like an analog
tape machine. Hit one button for play, one for stop,
one for fast forward, one for reverse. To record, hit
RECORD and then play, just like you'd expect on a
tape machine. It records digitally but the offload
is analog, or at least it was on my units. My understanding
is that now there are "all digital" units.
They record on to mini-discs, that are about the size of
a 3.5" floppy. The whole recorder is only about the size
of a stack of 5 or 6 of those floppys.
Lumpy - In the snap
In Your Ears for 40 Something Years
http://www.LumpyMusic.com
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On Fri, 15 May 2009 17:07:04 +0000 (UTC), Charmed Snark <...@cogeco.ca
Lumpy expounded in news...@mid.individual.net:
Snap!
Man, there is soooo much of that these days. The
hardware is great but the software in it makes the
unit virtually unusable. Some voice recorders are
like that. Even worse are some of the PC software
offerings that come with the units.
I wouldn't have expected that for this unit-- but
real good to know about in advance.
There used to be a saying "it doesn't matter how
fast the hardware boys make it [a computer],
the software boys will piss it away".
I guess this applies to functionality as well.
Snark.
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