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On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:36:48 +0100, "Cwatters" <...@TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com
"James" <no one@...@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Go for the highest IP rating you can find is about all you can do.
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:41:47 -0700 (PDT), ransley <...@Yahoo.com
On Jun 7, 10:45 am, "James" <no o.....@bellsouth.com
What leaks, isnt the bulb in the bottom facing up. Wont water drip
out, so a leak wont matter.
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 14:50:40 -0400, "John Grabowski" <...@optonline.net
*I get asked about low voltage lighting by my customers every once in a
while. I advise them against it. I'm in New Jersey and the weather
conditions are not optimal for that stuff. The connectors corrode or fall
apart. The lights don't hold up well. Landscapers abuse them. Homeowners
step on them. The ones low to the ground get covered with leaves. The one
at the end of the line are dimmer than the beginning.
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 20:51:12 -0400, "JimR" <...@invalid.net
[ -- snip -- ]
The one
Not if you wire them up properly --
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:12:24 -0700 (PDT), JIMMIE <...@YAHOO.COM
On Jun 7, 11:45 am, "James" <no o.....@bellsouth.com
I have some that are still going after about 9 years. I coat the
connectors with Dow Corning DC4 silicon grease. This displaces water
away from any place it shouldnt be. Mke sure that if water does get
into them it can drain out because water will get in. Mine are cheapys
I got at Big Lots. The ones I have now uses bulbs but I will probably
soon replace them with LEDs.
My neighbor has some that are more like 15 years old. They made there
own enclosures out of sheet copper and stained glass, very pretty.
Light fixtures are automotive. They also use the DC4.
The fixtures pretty much mattch their art deco porch light.
Jimmie
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:16:38 -0700 (PDT), fftt <...@gmail.com
On Jun 7, 8:45 am, "James" <no o.....@bellsouth.com
James-
My limited expericence is the same. :(
as per other posts, my opinion all LV fixtures are junk
I would suggest (worth a try) sealing the fixtures prior to
installation with silicone seal OR if you want to try & maintain dis-
assembly as an option.....a heavy application of silicone grease
IMO the only thing going for LV lighting is; fast & cheap to install
I tell people that their new LV installation will require ongoing /
never ending maintenance :(
the solar ones are kinda wimpy on the output & as near as I can tell
the batteries cannot be replaced...but they are hard to for ease of
install & maintentance
cheers
Bob
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:48:18 -0700 (PDT), N8N <...@hotmail.com
On Jun 8, 1:16 pm, fftt <...@gmail.com
the ones I have are "solar" brand from Home Depot, the batteries are
standard AA rechargeables. Downsides:
1) so flimsily made that they will break (from getting kicked,
newspapers landing on them, etc.) before the batteries wear out.
2) solar panels haze over worse than cheap car headlamps
3) stakes are worthless plastic junk
other than that (ahem) they actually work pretty well.
nate
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 13:33:50 -0400, "RBM" <...@noemail.com
"James" <no one@...@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Every brand I've ever used is junk. Most of the line voltage landscape
fixtures are garbage as well. The only possible exceptions are the very
expensive bronze ones make by Hadco or Kim. I've tried resin and plastic,
cast aluminum etc. None hold up over time, and those with bayonet and MR
sockets crap out the quickest
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:36:53 -0700 (PDT), Zephyr <...@hotmail.com
On Jun 7, 1:33 pm, "RBM" <...@noemail.com
I've got a set of those cheap plastic lights with the clip in 4v bulbs
here at my place in MI... had no trouble with them in the 4 years I've
been here, and they were in before I got them... Judging by how many
layers of mulch the wires are under, I'd say they've been running
strong for 10 years now. The caps come off the top, water and snow
fall in, but, it all drains out the bottom so the light doesn't have
standing water.
my 2 cents
Dave
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:05:57 -0400, "James" <no on...@bellsouth.com
Yes, yes, I will look for those:
"I've got a set of those cheap plastic lights with the clip in 4v bulbs"
Think I could find these at Home Depot ??
James
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On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:54:21 -0700 (PDT), Zephyr <...@hotmail.com
On Jun 7, 3:05 pm, "James" <no o.....@bellsouth.com
hey, all sarcasim aside, I just mentioned that for whatever it might
be worth to someone else reading this thread later.
I looked at my timer box, and it looks like they are malibu lights
cheap, yes, from the borg, yes, what you were asking about, no.
but, like I said, just my 2 cents.
http://www.malibulights.com/malibu-wheretobuy.php
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:17:39 -0400, "vMike" <...@5noerrawgespam.com
"James" <no one@...@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Have you looked into Aurora. They are not cheap, but I think that they
carry a lifetime replacement.
Mike
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 18:11:48 -0400, "James" <no on...@bellsouth.com
Thanks Mike on the Aurora name. I will look for them.
As for solar lights, I have no need for them. I need far more light that
what I can get from solar lights.
Thanks for all the comments everyone !!
James
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:18:55 -0500, "Dioclese" <NONE
"James" <no one@...@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
Your needs divulged, the subject line is inappropriate referring to your
needs.
--
Dave
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 06:36:58 -0500, "Dioclese" <NONE
"James" <no one@...@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
One box of 4 that I bought very cheap, says right on the box that the solar
powered batteries cannot be replaced. Lasted for 2 years. No evidence of
water intrusion. Lights: LEDs. Lights hang down, not pointed up. No way
for water to affect them unless you have more than 8" of standing water.
Tried them again in a box of 6, even cheaper this time. No battery
replacement disclaimer. Similar design. 1/2 price sale, I'm buying another
box for when these fail. Just connect the top section to the current
assembly already in the ground, all working again.
That's my advice. Buy them while on sale, and buy more than one set for
your application.
--
Dave
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On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:47:39 -0400, willshak <...@00hvc.rr.com
on 6/8/2009 7:36 AM (ET) Dioclese wrote the following:
I don't think the OP is talking about solar powered lights.
However I was in HD or Lowes last week and I saw solar powered lights
that said the batteries are regular AA rechargeables.
The problem I've had with solar powered lights is that the solar panel
plastic turns milky and gets hairline cracks. I've gone so far as to
buff the lenses and coated them with Future floor finish, but it doesn't
last..
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 08:56:06 -0700 (PDT), N8N <...@hotmail.com
On Jun 8, 11:47 am, willshak <...@00hvc.rr.com
I've had the same issue, as well as the plastic stakes being softer
than the ground that they're pushed into (and the soil in my yard is
very soft indeed.)
I would love to find a good quality light, either solar, low voltage,
whatever that could be relied upon to last more than a year or two.
nate
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On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:37:58 -0600, Robert Neville <...@bother.com
N8N <...@hotmail.com
I have had no problems with the Malibu Metal low voltage series for 18 months
now. Cast aluminum construction seems to hold up just fine.
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On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:24:48 GMT, "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
It was only a week ago and you don't know if you were in Home Depot or
Lowe's... something is terribly amiss with your perceptive ability. Sounds
more like you futzed with buffing and coating your lamp's solar panels when
new out of the box, thinking you'd improve them, instead you destroyed them.
Mine have been operating perfectly for nearly seven years and show no
crazing or opaqueness whatsoever, and the only cleaning they get is from
when it rains.
This photo was taken like a week ago, my solar panels look exactly like when
brand new:
http://i43.tinypic.com/2ivuhz.jpg
Btw, anyone know the name of that plant, I would appreciate it, I can't
remember and the tag is lost.
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On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:00:20 -0400, willshak <...@00hvc.rr.com
on 6/8/2009 12:24 PM (ET) brooklyn1 wrote the following:
If you must know, I wasn't looking to buy patio lights, but I was
passing through the aisles where they were displayed.
I was in both stores that day and they are within sight of each other..
You don't remember the name of the plant that you planted on your
property, and you criticized my memory?
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
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On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:47:39 GMT, "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
"willshak" <...@supernews.com...
I never said I planted it, was there when I moved here. I've seen that
plant at a local nursery but don't remember the name, of the plant, I know
the name of the nursery. The original owner had little copper tags by many
of the plants, that one is missing or may never have been. That plant could
have been planted shortly after that deck was built, some twenty six years
ago, not six days ago. Btw, I've been separating and planting pieces in
unprotected areas, so far the deer and rabbits don't eat it.
This is the solar lamp I bought from Lowe's on 11/11/03, still works
perfectly. I paid $35 for a set of two. I wouldn't coat the solar panels
with anything as it may act like a sun screen one applies against sunburn,
blocking the rays that recharge the batteries... I'd think modern auto waxes
do contain a sunscreen to protect paint finishes.... clearly says any
modification voids the warranty. It's very easy to replace the batteries,
so far I'm still using the original batteries. Don't buy any B & D cordless
vacuum, costs as much to change the battery pack as to buy a new unit.
Malibu makes cheaper (plastic) solar lights too, they also make low voltage
lights, but these are made very substantially of cast aluminum and
beautifully finished, I got the ones with the pewter finish:
http://www.malibulights.com/index.php?action=subcategory&did=2&cid=5&sid=11&pid =LZ14001
When I bought them it was simply an impulse purchase, I did no research,
they just looked nice and the price was right. Initially I wanted solar
lights for markers at the foot of my driveway but soon realized it wouldn't
be such a good idea as anyone passing could make off with them, so I put
them in back at my deck.
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:11:45 -0400, willshak <...@00hvc.rr.com
on 6/9/2009 10:47 AM (ET) brooklyn1 wrote the following:
I never said I buffed and coated the panels 'out of the box'. The
buffing and coating was done after they clouded over, as an experiment,
like buffing plastic headlights when they cloud up, to see if they would
regain their operation. They did for a while.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
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On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:49:06 -0400, KLS <...@suds.com
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:24:48 GMT, "brooklyn1"
<...@verizon.net
Those are lupines, a really nice perennial. No idea what variety, but
yours are lovely!
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:57:46 GMT, "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
"KLS" <...@4ax.com...
Thank you very much. I will write that in my gardening book.
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:25:03 -0400, PeterD <...@hipson.net
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:49:06 -0400, KLS <...@suds.com
Now if the OP had just been a Monty Python fan... <bg>
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 05:42:49 -0400, "Alan" <you're got to be joking
"James" <no one@...@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Have you considered LED (light emitting diode) lights? Google "white LED
Lights". Incandescent lights only only produce 5-10% light the remainder being
heat and it is the latter that causes fixture failure. With leds there need not
be
any such fixtures. If you can live with red lights, red LEDs are even cheaper.
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Anonymous Wrote:
yes. this is the way we are going. we even have some solar LED lights that are
really surprising in that they have been outside all winter for 2 years now and
havent replaced the battery. The light is not BRIGHT like you can read from it, but
we just want subtle lighting. Ingrid
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 05:42:49 -0400, "Alan" <you're got to be jokingSomewhere between zone 5 and 6 tucked along the shore of Lake Michigan
on the council grounds of the Fox, Mascouten, Potawatomi, and Winnebago
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On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:48:26 GMT, "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
"Alan" wrote
I think it depends on how much light one needs and for what purpose. I've
not seen any low voltage garden lamps that give off much light and they
certainly don't throw light any appreciable distance, they're typically used
for minimally illuminating walkways. I also used low voltage lamps but I
didn't like that they needed wiring and they also leaked. For six years now
I've been using solar lights, they emit enough light to illuminate walkways.
Even on cloudy days they recharge enough so that they give off light well
past the wee hours when no one should be walking about anyway. The only
time solar lamps won't recharge is when snow accumulates on the solar
panels, but then the snow itself reflects more than adequate light for
walking about, and it's a simple matter to brush snow off the panels. For
security lighting neither low voltage or solar lighting is sufficient, for
that one should have hard wired flood/spot lights with motion detectors.
I've been using the same solar lamps for more than six years now, they still
operate good as new and the lamp's appearance is as good as new. And
eventually when the rechargeable battery pack fails it can easily be
replaced, and for like $6. And there are now solar lamps that do emit
enough light to illuminate relatively large areas and/or throw light a
distance sufficient for a flag atop a pole. I'm sold on solar lighting, I
would never again consider low voltage lights. I've already decided to buy
a set of solar lights for my outdoor Christmas tree... no more 150'
extention cord.
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:44:51 -0700, Smitty Two <...@earthlink.net
In article <...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
Well, illuminating a flag atop a pole is pretty far down my priority
list. I might get to it one day, after I alphabetize my soup cans. But
when I was browsing HD recently I checked out the lumen specs on solar
lights and they were just a shade less bright than a single briquette of
glowing charcoal. I don't remember seeing any that were more than 10 or
12 lumens, which would be enough to read 24 point type by if you had
about 50 of them focused on one spot. Tell me more about these new ones
that you've found. Source? Manufacturer? Lumen spec?
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:35:42 -0400, "James" <...@nospamfdn.com
those solar lights don't actually "illuminate" anything around them. They
just glow in the dark.
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:45:28 -0500, "Dioclese" <NONE
"Smitty Two" <...@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com...
He didn't say how tall the flagpole was, or its corresponding sized flag
either. That could be a factor regardless the lumens stated. All ones for
that purpose I've seen are using standard electrical power from a meter loop
of some sort. They also have a focusing shroud around such a light. Said
light is pointed at the top of the flagpole to cover all directions the flag
could furl. Guess if you're wearing a low-light detection device, you could
see such a flag illuminated by a solar-powered light.
--
Dave
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:23:35 GMT, "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
"Dioclese" <...@earthlink.com...
Yoose need to think outside your pointy little heads. Solar lighting has
come a long way since the last time yoose opened your moth eaten miser
purses. Harnessing solar power is the future, get used to it.
http://www.solarlighting.com/
http://www.solarlightstore.com/
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Jun 13, 9:21 am, "Dioclese" <NONE
http://www.solarlightstore.com/solar-spot-lights/flood-lights/8ledsolarspotligh twhite.cfm
Took a quick look at the biggest spotlight at the above store that one
might think would be best suited to get a decent amount of light for a
flag on top of a pole. Look a the specs: 8 LEDS, 5 volts, plastic,
2lbs. If you're trying to make a case for solar, that sure ain't
the way to do it. Stating the light output, how long it will
maintain the light, etc would be a good start.
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:43:38 GMT, "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
<...@d38g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 13, 9:21 am, "Dioclese" <NONE
http://www.solarlightstore.com/solar-spot-lights/flood-lights/8ledsolarspotligh twhite.cfm
Took a quick look at the biggest spotlight at the above store that one
might think would be best suited to get a decent amount of light for a
flag on top of a pole. Look a the specs: 8 LEDS, 5 volts, plastic,
2lbs. If you're trying to make a case for solar, that sure ain't
the way to do it. Stating the light output, how long it will
maintain the light, etc would be a good start.
======
What a skank... you picked out the least expensive lamps at the web site...
a set of 5 @ $70.. what do you expect for like $12 each, cast stainless
steel with a 20 year guarantee... duh I think for the price they're a great
buy, better than low voltage sets, and if not abused by stepping on them or
running a lawnmower over them will probably give many years of service.
And you cannot judge illumination by wattage... when I went to school I was
taught that watts is a measure of energy consumed, not output... high
wattage appliances typically consume most power to generate heat... there
are actually idiots out there (many idiots) who buy kitchen mixing machines
by wattage... I guess they wanna use them as hair driers. The same lumens
can be focused or diffused. I have various Mag-Lites that throw very
intense light over great distance, powered by a couple AA cells... would
definitely illuminate a flag atop a 20 ft pole, with a more efficient
battery (such as is typical with solar lights) it would illuminate a flag
all night With solar lights (any lights), depending on use the lower
wattage may very well be the better choice... I have recessed fluorescent
fixtures in my kitchen that give tremendous illumination yet consume very
little wattage. Anyone who discounts solar lighting is truely a pinhead...
some 70 years ago the same kind of pinheads poopooed fluorescent lights. Do
yoose realize that the first automobiles used oil lamps as head lights, now
they use high intensity lamps that are many times more efficient than those
from just a few short years ago... believe it or not there are still many
people (most of the world) who light their homes (when they do) exclusively
with oil lamps and candles... they don't need any stinkin' new fangled
'lectricity. Folks better start getting used to solar energy, it's the
future. The gas station has already been here more than twice as long as it
will exist into the future... your great grandchildren will only know a gas
station in a museum. It really doesn't matter that there will shortly be no
more US made automobiles, it was bound to happen, better sooner than later,
it's the best thing could have happened... need is the mother of invention.
Again the US will be at the forefront. The arabs are again proving that
they are the inferior people, they have more sun than oil, yet what are they
doing about it.
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:11:01 -0700, Steve Daniels <...@gorge.net
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:43:38 GMT, against all advice, something
compelled "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
Well, I can't really imagine why anyone would want solar
lighting. I mean, when the sun is out, can't you see things well
enough?
Sheesh.
--
Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will
have to ram it down their throats.
- Howard Aiken
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Jun 13, 12:43 pm, "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
I never suggested judging illumination by wattage. I only pointed
out that they have NO SPEC of any kind for the light output for the
solar light I looked at. Should I waste my time looking at every
light there? If you have a great example of a solar light with
specs that can be used to light a flag at the top of a pole, I'm sure
we'd all like to see a direct link to it.
/.when I went to school I was
And now you engage in racism. That should go a long way to convince
people of your credibility and the merit of your arguments.
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:34:18 -0700, Billy <...@without_a.net
In article
Be happy that your name isn't Christian.
From: Sheldon (a.k.a. brooklyn1 ) <...@aol.comNewsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: I would like some feedback..
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT)
That's your first untruth... you *operate* a business.... you don't
own a business until your IRS return doesn't show you're operating at
a loss.
That's your second untruth.
Your parents must have had high hopes for you to succeed in the
arts... you're not going to do well in business unless you change your
name.
-----
As you see, Shelly has always been narcissistic, pompous, wrong, and
denigrating of others. Good luck in your conversations with him.
--
- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Zunx_goz4
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/2/israeli_journalist_amira_hass_on_the
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On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:56:04 -0500, "Dioclese" <NONE
"brooklyn1" <...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
Yep, and here's some details that some people may be interested in regarding
that:
http://www.liberty-light.com/
See bottom of the page. I don't like their method of moving the light way
up the flagpole. To start out with, its ugly in appearance. Part of the
illumination is blocked by the flagpole itself. The usual method consists
of surface/ground mounted units to illuminate all areas the flag could
possibly furl. Double that distance and mount on the ground, you have 1/4
the illumination for the Liberty Light on the flag. You'll need more than
one Liberty Light for a stand-alone flag pole. The building side mounted
flagpole, one is enough.
They throw in the Lux factor for an idea of its illumination. Look here:
http://www.answers.com/topic/lux
I'm all for green. We need to use what's available including the sun. What
we get when we use a solar-powered product needs more research by the
consumer before a purchase. We also need uniformity of illumination
specifications, along with stating that as a comparison of what we know.
Like illumination compared to a certain wattage standard incandescent light
bulb when citing illumination of an LED.
--
Dave
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:27:31 -0700, Smitty Two <...@earthlink.net
In article <...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
Well, your first link is to commercial solar. We were talking about
homeowner landscape lighting.
As to the second link, please select from that website, one
self-contained solar-powered landscape light that lists lumen specs, so
I don't have to go wading through the whole site to see what your point
is.
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:54:34 GMT, "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
"Smitty Two" <...@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com...
Does your mommy still hafta wipe your tushy... if it's so important to you
there's an 800 number or send email. Lumens aren't very important with
outdoor lighting... typical indoor lighting reflects off the walls,ceiling,
floors, and furnishings back into the room... outdoor lighting travels to
infinity... type of source/light and how it's concentrated is what's
important... that's why there are floodlights, spot lights, etc.
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:20:55 -0700, Smitty Two <...@earthlink.net
In article <...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
Nah. My mommy's dead. Now your daughter licks my ass clean. Still
waiting on the solar light lumen spec, though ... anytime you're ready
to back up your claims with actual facts.
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Jun 13, 3:54 pm, "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
In other words, you have no specs. You're the one that was calling
people names and claiming that we were behind the times. Yet you're
promoting companies and products that can't even list the light output
of their products on the internet. I only do business with companies
that provide specs and data sheets and have them available on the
internet, as any decent vendor does. No need to waste time with
companies that don't have them available, because it's usually for a
reason.
If you want to convince someone as to how viable solar lights are to
light up a flag pole, a data sheet with specs would go a long way.
Also, apologizing and retracting your racist remarks would be a good
idea too.
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On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:10:28 -0500, "Dioclese" <NONE
<...@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 13, 3:54 pm, "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
In other words, you have no specs. You're the one that was calling
people names and claiming that we were behind the times. Yet you're
promoting companies and products that can't even list the light output
of their products on the internet. I only do business with companies
that provide specs and data sheets and have them available on the
internet, as any decent vendor does. No need to waste time with
companies that don't have them available, because it's usually for a
reason.
If you want to convince someone as to how viable solar lights are to
light up a flag pole, a data sheet with specs would go a long way.
Also, apologizing and retracting your racist remarks would be a good
idea too.
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The specs are there, you have to click a link on the page for more details.
They may not be in lumens. One of the website uses comparsions to the
standard incandescent light bulb in terms of watts, and another website uses
the term "lux" which can be converted to lumens. While "lumens" is more
specific in illumination, the layman needs a comparison to the standard
incandescent light bulb in terms of watts to get an idea of illumination of
a specific LED.
--
Dave
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