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My eye's hurt after I take off my hard contact lenses

On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 06:35:15 -0800 (PST), neof...@gmail.com wrote:

I use Ortho-k hard shaping contacts, for about 4 months, In the past
couple of weeks, whenever I put my lenses in at night, I feel
something unusual. I take them out and I wash them, and put them back
in. After I wake up, and I take the lenses out, the left eye is hard
to take out, and it hurts afterwards, and my vision is a little
blurred unlike the right eye. Do you know what's the problem?



On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:22:32 -0800, Glenn Hagele - USAEyes.org <...@USAEyes.org> wrote:

There may be many causes for your discomfort after wearing rigid gas
permeable (RG) lenses overnight to reshape your corneas. They can
range from benign to relatively serious.

You need to notify your eye doctor of this problem and schedule an
examination as soon as the doctor believes is warranted. Do not just
ignore this warning sign. Not only may it threaten the health of your
eyes, it may limit the effectiveness of the Ortho-K.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes (R)
Patient Advocacy Surgeon Certification

"Consider and Choose With Confidence" (TM)

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org

Lasik Bulletin Board
http://www.USAEyes.org/Ask-Lasik-Expert/

I am not a doctor.

Copyright 2007
All Rights Reserved

On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:30:51 -0800 (PST), spammer <...@yahoo.com> wrote:

hanson's still an ass.

On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:21:43 -0800, "Brent Hanson - USAEyes.info" <...@anywhere.com> wrote:

Is Glenn Hagele a "deadbeat dad"?

Learn the answer here:
http://usaeyes.info/glenn-hagele/glenn-hagele-pursued-by-sacramento-district-at torney.html
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yal77q


On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:19:07 -0800 (PST), Speed Racer <...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 2, 8:21 pm, "Brent Hanson - USAEyes.info"
<...@anywhere.com> wrote:
> IsGlennHagelea "deadbeat dad"?
>
> Learn the answer here:http://usaeyes.info/glenn-hagele/glenn-hagele-pursued-by-sacramento-d...http:// preview.tinyurl.com/yal77q

Glenn Hagele Is Under Investigation By FBI & FDA?

Tuesday, September 4, 2007

Glenn Hagele, USAEyes, CRSQA Under Investigation by the FDA and FBI
and Consumer Affairs For Threatening To Blackmail Hurt Lasik
Patients??
According to FDA Petition # Docket No. 2007P-0004/CP 1

Glenn Hagele, CRSQA, and USAEyes are now under an indepth
investigation that was started by Dean A. Kantis creator of http://www.LifeAfterLasik.com
website, created to warn other citizens of Lying Lasik Doctors, Skewed
Success Rates to lure innocent patients, and "a referral network where
Lying Lasik Doctors undergo a CRSQA Certification at the tune of
$5,000/year in order for Glenn Hagele and USAEyes to refer "potential
lasik doctors or hurt lasik patients."

In otherwords, doctors are paying for leads. And they're doing it at
the patient's expense. So if you are a patient online looking to find
a cure, and you come across http://www.usaeyes.org/, you will run into
a "non doctor giving advice," which I hear is a BIG NO NO exclaimed
Mr. Kantis. Glenn Hagele says he's a "patient advocate," but doesn't
this sound biased asked Mr. Kantis.

Mr. Kantis also concluded that Glenn Hagele has had direct contact
with him in trying to defame Mr. Kantis, harass Mr. Kantis and others
through so called "black mail attempts," and from these ongoing
actions, Mr. Kantis and others have in turn started many department
investigations with Consumer Affairs, Sacramento Police Department and
the FBI. Mr. Kantis exclaims that as many as 10 other hurt lasik
patients have put in complaints to the bizzare behavior of CRSQA Lasik
Doctors and their leader, Glenn Hagele, who has but a "high school
education." One website helps to explain exactly this. http://www.usaeyes.info/.

This website explains how lasik doctors are buying leads from a "non
for profit 501-C3" that Mr. Glenn Hagele operates at the tune of
$5,000/per year and are also paying Mr. Hagele for "favors." These
favors have been reported to the FBI and Consumer Affairs. One patient
even asked, "How is it that these doctors were conned into spending
$5,000/year for a phony membership by someone who isn't even a doctor
but has merely a high school education and operates out of his home?"
No reply by Mr. Hagele.

The FDA has even commented that they do NOT recognize CRSQA! Here is a
list of CRSQA lasik doctors that appear to be tied to Glenn Hagele:

HERE IS THE LIST OF "POTENTIAL CRSQA DOCTORS" THAT APPEAR TO BE
WORKING WITH GLENN HAGELE:

Lasik Doctor Kerry Assil
Lasik Doctor Jay Bansal
Lasik Doctor Daniel Beers
Lasik Doctor Scott Behler
Lasik Doctor Robert Brems
Lasik Doctor Stephen Brint
Lasik Doctor Ronald Brown
Lasik Doctor Randy Burks
Lasik Doctor Andrew Caster
Lasik Doctor Benjamin Chang
Lasik Doctor David Dulaney
Lasik Doctor Daniel Durrie
Lasik Doctor Ella Faktorovich
Lasik Doctor Raymond Gailitis
Lasik Doctor Robert Gladsden
Lasik Doctor Daniel Goldberg
Lasik Doctor Jack T Holladay
Lasik Doctor Thierry Hufhagel

Lasik Doctor Kent Kirk (isn't this guy the one on the video telling
how great the statistics were about Alcon, i think many people lost a
lot of credibility for this guy, as in our opinions...he seemed to be
lying through his eyes)

Lasik Doctor Robert LinLasik Doctor Richard Lindstrom

Lasik Doctor Robert Maloney (isn't this the guy that just did lasik on
Kristen from Laguna Beach, who is like 20 years old...can you believe
a doctor would do that for publicity??? she's a kid, and who can say
if her eyes are stable and he just did lasik on her for probably
what...exposure??...very sick, two words: DEEPLY DISTURBING!!)

Lasik Doctor James McDonald
Lasik Doctor Michael Mockovak
Lasik Doctor Sanford Moretsky
Lasik Doctor Thomas Planchard
Lasik Doctor Philip Roholt
Lasik Doctor James Rynerson
Lasik Doctor Cary M Silverman
Lasik Doctor Swati Singh
Lasik Doctor Barrie Soloway
Lasik Doctor Gregory Stainer
Lasik Doctor Harmon Stein
Lasik Doctor Steven Stetson
Lasik Doctor Dan Tran
Lasik Doctor Mark Volpicelli
Lasik Doctor David A Wallace
Lasik Doctor Robert Weisenthal
Lasik Doctor Marc Werner
Lasik Doctor Norman Zaffater

A copy of the FDA Petition regarding Glenn Hagele and CRSQA can be
found at:

http://www.lifeafterlasik.com/fdapetitiontostoplasik.htm

Because of Mr. Glenn Hagele's ongoing lack of integrity, blackmailing
ways, and attempts to even financially defame and ruin hurt lasik
patients, the following websites have been created to warn innocent
doctors and patients of the criminal attempts by Mr. Glenn Hagele
ongoing:

http://www.usaeyes.info/ Find out if your surgeon is a FRAUD!! Find
out more about how many lawsuits lasik surgeons have, check your
doctor's reputation today and research any negative PR on your
potential lasik doctor. Many of these lasik doctors have even had 20,
50+ lawsuits and have ruined hundreds of their patient's lives, while
living off of their millions for their own family's benefit!

http://www.lasikeyesurgerywebsite.com/ Tells you about the dangers
EVERY LASIK SURGERY has on your eyes. Both short term and long term
damages, coming from a hurt lasik patient that has been suffering now
for 8+ years and all of the doctors tell her there is no way to fix
her. This is just one of thousands of hurt lasik patients that can't
find a solution to their ongoing visual daily hell of a nightmare.

http://www.lasiknightmare.com/ Tells you the truths about Lasik and
how the procedure absolutely destroys a patient's cornea...Most people
do not do their homework to find out that slashing a used razor blade
through one's perfectly virgin-regular cornea is NOT the only
option...PRK is much safer than Lasik and there is NO flap made (the
flap never heals).

http://www.lasikmemorial.com/ Dedicated to those whose lives have been
damaged or destroyed by refractive surgery, this site contains true
stories written by the victims themselves. When complications occur,
your life splits in two. There is the person you were before LASIK,
and the person you are now...the person whose dry eyes hurt all the
time, the person who sees multiple images of everything, who can't
drive at night, who can't fulfill his or her responsibilities as a
parent, or his or her potential as a human being, the person who
suffers from PTSD, depression, and various states of dread about the
future. You realize that maybe human nature isn't fundamentally good,
or at least that doctors aren't what you thought they were.

http://www.lasermyeye.org/ This site offers both great content and
great web design. Don't miss the D'ialogues forum, where you can ask
frank questions about risk and receive input from both patients and
optometrists. Also has an encyclopedia of terms relevant to refractive
surgery, as well as breaking news articles.

http://www.mylasikstory.com/ Another hurt lasik patient WARNING THE
WORLD of getting Halos, Starbursts, and other visual problems.

http://www.flawedlasik.com/ Flawed Lasik, telling you the challenges
and problems of Lasik from another hurt lasik patient!

http://www.eyefordesign.com/lasik.html John's story warning you that
Lasik is bad and to stay with contacts or glasses!

http://www.surgicaleyes.org/ From the site, "The purpose of the
Surgical Eyes Foundation is to empower past, present and future
patients who live with complications of refractive surgery. Towards
this end, it will maintain a website as a primary resource for those
with complications of refractive surgery to accomplish the following:
1. Coordinating with eye care professionals to facilitate
understanding of the needs of those with complications from refractive
surgery and advocating for treatment alternatives. 2. Increasing
public awareness of the potential risks in refractive surgery and
advocating for informed decision making 3. Disseminating information
about typical and emerging treatments to individuals with
complications of refractive surgery.

http://www.flawedlasik.com/ Created by patient activist Dominic
Morgan, this site chronicles Dominic's legal struggle with his surgeon
and with the FDA. The site states, "Most Lasik websites are
advertisements for having Lasik eye surgery. This website is to
educate you to the dangers of having Lasik when you are not a proper
candidate. Before you consider Lasik, you must be sure it can be done
safely, and that you are a proper candidate. I went to a doctor who
advertised that anyone who was nearsighted, farsighted, or had
astigmatism could be done safely...that's almost everybody! I trusted
these doctors, and now I'm legally blind. My name is Dom Morgan, and I
tell my story because it may be useful to anyone considering Lasik.

http://www.lasikfraud.com/ Created by patient activist Brent Hanson,
this site states, "Are you planning to have laser eye surgery at TLC?
Are you impressed with TLC's success stories? Do you believe that TLC
will honor their "Lifetime Commitment" to you? Do you have confidence
in the integrity and surgical skill of TLC's founder, Dr. Jeffery
Machat? If you answered yes to any of these four questions, then
please read about my experiences with eye surgery at TLC. Your
decision to have eye surgery may result in permanently damaging
results that are devastating to you. You may also discover that TLC
will not back up their "Lifetime Commitment Program" if they damage
your vision. I am going to share my personal story with you so that
you can get a more realistic view of what your experience could be
like. This story is unpleasant for me to tell, but you deserve to know
that TLC personnel are fully capable of damaging your vision,
deceiving you, abandoning you as a patient, harassing you, and
threatening you with lawsuits for speaking out.

http://www.doctormyeye.com/ Created by activist Optometrist Ken
Minarik, OD, this site states: "The internet is full of websites that
are owned by laser companies, clinics and LASIK providers that will
tell you all about the good cases and sell you on the "joys" of LASIK.
We will leave the pro-arguments to the salesmen. We are here to talk
about things that go wrong and the people who can help you when it
happens. Bookmark this site, and if you or a loved one are considering
LASIK...please read all of our cautions first. If you or a loved one are
suffering from LASIK complications...welcome to your online support
group. We are here for you."

FDA's Lasik Page: Generally good information, but be aware that this
is only an introduction. The FDA's site doesn't tell you about
patient's experiences with doctors when things go wrong, nor does it
feature simulations of vision following a failed LASIK, nor does it
adequately talk about risk. Doesn't even take quote from it's own FDA
transcripts on LASIK, many of which are very interesting, to say the
least. But...better than nothing at all, we guess. From the site,
"Some patients lose vision. Some patients lose lines of vision on the
vision chart that cannot be corrected with glasses, contact lenses, or
surgery as a result of treatment. Some patients develop debilitating
visual symptoms. Some patients develop glare, halos, and/or double
vision that can seriously affect nighttime vision. Even with good
vision on the vision chart, some patients do not see as well in
situations of low contrast, such as at night or in fog, after
treatment as compared to before treatment.

http://www.lifeafterlasik.com/Created by Dean Andrew Kantis, a lasik
patient that flew from Florida to Chicago to ensure that the procedure
would be given extra detail, and it turns out that just the opposite
happened. The doctor, Nick Caro & St George Corrective Vision Center
out of Chicago, IL happens to have 50+ lawsuits from disgruntled lasik
patients, and for some strange reason, still has an active license to
practice in the state of Illinois. Needless to say, Dean started a
huge investigation where the http://www.idfpr.com/ is going back 10
years on Nick Caro. Nick Caro is very concerned about the information
on this website in that he is a "DEFENDANT" in over 50+ lawsuits, so
he started what many are saying is a "frivolous lawsuit" to sue Dean
for $2,000,000.00 to try to "quiet" him, and it seems that Nick Caro
has a lot of people trying to get "search placement" to try to push
our results down, but so far, it has NOT worked and must have set Nick
back even more money. It ended up hurting Dr. Caro's reputation even
more. Dr. Caro has even made a "death threat" on Dean's life and this
information has been turned over to the Chicago Police Department, as
well as a Florida State Congressman and Attorney. Stay tuned as we
expose more on the Caro Clan...

Wake Up To LASIK Brief site written by an optometrist who was
recruited to "comanage" Lasik. From the site: "I was WINED and DINED.
Beneath the glow of dimmed chandeliers in an elegant restaurant, the
compliments were blushingly effusive. I was made to feel so very
special. It was seductive. The pitch came at the end of this dinner:
"Dr. X, for every patient you send to our laser center, we'll collect
the $5000 and we'll make sure you get back $2000." "That's an
extravagant amount," I said. "Isn't that a kickback?" "No, we call it
a co-management fee," was the quick reply. "You and I will manage the
patient together. A "kickback" lands us both in jail. Hehehe."

http://www.visionsimulations.com/ Created by author and psychologist
Roger D. Davis, PhD, this site features photorealistic images of the
visual aberrations incuded by LASIK and other refractive surgeries,
including starbursting, halos, glare, ghosting, blurry vision, and
night driving scenes. Also contain numerous animations, as well as
simulators that allow patients to approximate and communicate their
vision to friends, family, and physicians. If you want help simulating
your vision for others, start here.

http://www.lasiksucks4u.com/ Created by patient activist Dominic
Morgan, this site chronicles Dominic's legal struggle with his surgeon
and with the FDA. The site states, "Most Lasik websites are
advertisements for having Lasik eye surgery. This website is to
educate you to the dangers of having Lasik when you are not a proper
candidate. Before you consider Lasik, you must be sure it can be done
safely, and that you are a proper candidate. I went to a doctor who
advertised that anyone who was nearsighted, farsighted, or had
astigmatism could be done safely...that's almost everybody! I trusted
these doctors, and now I'm legally blind. My name is Dom Morgan, and I
tell my story because it may be useful to anyone considering Lasik.

http://www.lasikliberty.com/ (Want to see what the FDA is doing or is
NOT doing regarding the FDA's responsibility to Lasik Patients in
informing the public, and in establishing a strict "standard of care?"
This website was created by Dr. Michael Patterson, who has been
suffering with Post Lasik for over 6+ years...and to date, has found
no cure for his post lasik challenges.)

http://www.drdoka.com/ Read the website of a woman's life completely
destroyed in June of 2004 from having Lasik Surgery. Elivra Galindo,
continues to make it a mission to let others know how bad Lasik is and
that she has gone to over 15 doctors and not one of them have been
able to help her with her "post lasik dry eye syndrome. In fact, it is
so bad that she wants to take her life. As of today, Elvira continues
to suffer from this and "sleep deprivation" because her dry eye is
that bad.

http://www.eyefreedom.com/ (get an honest opinions on Lasik by a Dr.
who treats hundreds of Post Lasik victims: Dr. Edward Boshnick,
Scleral Lenses for Post Lasik problems)

http://www.noblur.com/ (get an honest opinion prior to your Lasik, by
a Dr. who treats hundreds of Post Lasik victims from all over. Dr. Ken
Maller, RGP lenses for Post Lasik problems)

http://www.kcfreedom.org/ or http://www.kcglobal.org/ (Very
informative forum and focused on Keratoconus, a cone shaping/bubbling
eye disorder).

http://www.lasikdisaster.com/ (very informative Post Lasik Information)
...

http://www.lasikinfocenter.net/ (very legally informative/has Glare
Charts)...

http://www.foxchicago.com/_ezpost/data/16747.shtml (Fox Chicago news
on how bad Lasik really is to inform you)

http://www.lasikfraud.com/ (very informative A-Z of Lasik & problems
with Lasik)

http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/lasik/contact.htm (FDA file a LASIK complaint)
...

http://www.visionsimulations.com/ (exactly what to expect to see like
after Lasik)

http://www.doctormyeye.com/ (some honest information about Lasik and
Post Lasik)

http://www.lasikmemorial.com/ (some honest information about Lasik and
Post Lasik)

http://www.lasermyeye.org/ (some honest information about Lasik and
Post Lasik)

http://www.flawedlasik.com/ (some honest information about Lasik and
Post Lasik)

http://www.surgicaleyes.org/ (patient nightmare stories, good Post
Lasik Doctors to help you)

http://www.lasikmemorial.com/ (some honest information about Lasik and
Post Lasik)

http://www.lasiksos.com/ (some honest information about Lasik and Post
Lasik)

http://www.lasiksucks4you.com/ (some honest information about Lasik
and Post Lasik)

http://www.lasikreality.com/ (some honest information about Lasik and
Post Lasik)

http://www.refractivesource.com/ (some honest information about Lasik
and Post Lasik)

http://www.kcsupport.org/ (make sure your doctor correctly evaluates
you before Lasik)

http://www.cleareyeclinic.com/lasik.html (clinical results of Lasik, 3
questions to ask, but not the right question)

http://www.anattorneyforyou.com/legal/lasik-litigation.htm (list of
Lasik Litigation Attorneys to help you)

http://www.ophthalmic.hyperguides.com/default.asp?section=body.asp
(pain management & other eye problems/treatments)

http://www.crstoday.com/PDF%20Articles/0105/F3_Daya.html (additional
problems Post Lasik)

http://www.kathygriffin.net/lasik.php (yes, you guessed right. Kathy
is the famous actress/comedian and she tells about how badly her Lasik
procedure went even after going to a great Dr. and doing her du-
diligence first, and she tells about her 5 surgeries that still have
not corrected what she lost...Also, did you know that Jennifer
Capriati went to one of the best Lasik Drs. and she no longer can play
tennis at night under the lights because of the problem with glares
and halos. She can no longer play her competitive game.


On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:08:39 -0800, Glenn Hagele - USAEyes.org <...@USAEyes.org> wrote:

I've become a person at which a handful of people who had a bad Lasik
outcome have decided to direct their ire. Their attacks include lying
about my financial history, insulting my wife, publishing my personal
identity including Social Security number, bank account numbers,
credit card numbers on their bulletin boards, defamation, trademark
infringement, listing doctors we have not certified as recommended,
harassing those who fund and govern our nonprofit organization, and
often doing this while hiding behind false identities and multiple
aliases.

Considering the work I do to advocate for Lasik patients and the
nonprofit patient advocacy I founded, their acts seem to have no logic
or reason. Even stranger is the fact that these people did not seek
our information before surgery and did not use doctors certified by
our organization, but you can't use logic and reason on illogical and
unreasonable people.

The outrageous accusations, manipulations, half-truths, outright lies,
false complaints, and attacks on me and others by these anti-Lasik
zealots have caused them some serious trouble.

One recently had the FBI show up at his door investigating an alleged
extortion attempt against his former surgeon and had previously been
charged with felony use of false identity and resisting arrest.
Another is being sued in North Carolina Superior Court for publicizing
my personal identity including Social Security number on her website.
Her employer is investigating how her access to federal secure
computer systems was used to publish defamation on the Internet, and
she uses so many aliases it is hard to keep up. Another has a
permanent restraining order against him for threatening Dallas Lasik
doctor William Boothe, MD with physical violence, has been sued for
defamation, lost, found in contempt of court and sentenced to jail
(fled state), is in bankruptcy, cyber-pirated our organization's
trademark domain, plus I'm personally suing him for defamation and
invasion of privacy in California Superior Court.

Rather than copy and pasting the details again and again, just Google:

Brent Hanson
http://tinyurl.com/yrjayg

Lauranell "Nell" Burch
http://tinyurl.com/2y74l7

Dean Andrew Kantis
http://tinyurl.com/2zf3qa

Or visit my personal website:

Brent Hanson
http://www.GlennHagele.com/BrentHanson/

Lauranell "Nell" Burch
http://www.GlennHagele.com/LauranellBurch/

Dean Kantis
http://www.GlennHagele.com/DeanAndrewKantis/

For those who would like to form their own opinion about the work I do
and the organization I founded, visit our website and/or our Lasik
Patient Forum listed below my signature.

One more thing: USAEyes is a trademark of the Council for Refractive
Surgery Quality Assurance (http://www.USAEyes.org). The use of
usaeyes.INFO, usaeyes.BIZ, usaeyes.NET, usaeyes.US, and other use of
USAEyes by Brent Hanson is not approved by Council for Refractive
Surgery Quality Assurance and appears to be a violation of the US
Federal Anti-Cybersquatting Consumer Protection Act, regulations under
the authority of the Internet Corporation of Assigned Names and
Numbers (ICANN), and other trademark law.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes (R)
Patient Advocacy Surgeon Certification

"Consider and Choose With Confidence" (TM)

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org

Lasik Bulletin Board
http://www.USAEyes.org/Ask-Lasik-Expert/

I am not a doctor.

Copyright 2007
All Rights Reserved

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:02:59 GMT, Glenn Hagele - USAEyes.org <...@USAEyes.org> wrote:

I've become a person at which a handful of people who had a bad Lasik
outcome have decided to direct their ire. Their attacks include lying
about my financial history, insulting my wife, publishing my personal
identity including Social Security number, bank account numbers,
credit card numbers on their bulletin boards, defamation, trademark
infringement, listing doctors we have not certified as recommended,
harassing those who fund and govern our nonprofit organization, and
often doing this while hiding behind false identities and multiple
aliases.

Considering the work I do to advocate for Lasik patients and the
nonprofit patient advocacy I founded, their acts seem to have no logic
or reason. Even stranger is the fact that these people did not seek
our information before surgery and did not use doctors certified by
our organization, but you can't use logic and reason on illogical and
unreasonable people.

The outrageous accusations, manipulations, half-truths, outright lies,
false complaints, and attacks on me and others by these anti-Lasik
zealots have caused them some serious trouble.

One recently had the FBI show up at his door investigating an alleged
extortion attempt against his former surgeon and had previously been
charged with felony use of false identity and resisting arrest.
Another has the Attorney General investigating her for publicizing my
personal identity including Social Security number on her website. Her
employer is investigating how her access to federal secure computer
systems was used to publish defamation on the Internet, and she uses
so many aliases it is hard to keep up. Another has a permanent
restraining order against him for threatening Dallas Lasik doctor
William Boothe, MD with physical violence, has been sued for
defamation, lost, found in contempt of court and sentenced to jail
(fled state), is in bankruptcy, cyber-pirated our organization's
trademark domain, plus I'm personally suing him for defamation and
invasion of privacy in California Superior Court.

Rather than copy and pasting the details again and again, just Google:

Brent Hanson
http://tinyurl.com/yrjayg

Lauranell "Nell" Burch
http://tinyurl.com/2y74l7

Dean Andrew Kantis
http://tinyurl.com/2zf3qa

Or visit my personal website:

Brent Hanson
http://www.GlennHagele.com/BrentHanson/

Lauranell "Nell" Burch
http://www.GlennHagele.com/LauranellBurch/

Dean Kantis
http://www.GlennHagele.com/DeanAndrewKantis/

For those who would like to form their own opinion about the work I do
and the organization I founded, visit our website and/or our Lasik
Patient Forum listed below my signature.

One more thing: USAEyes is a trademark of the Council for Refractive
Surgery Quality Assurance (http://www.USAEyes.org). The use of
usaeyes.INFO, usaeyes.BIZ, usaeyes.NET, usaeyes.US, and other use of
USAEyes by Brent Hanson is not approved by Council for Refractive
Surgery Quality Assurance and appears to be a violation of the US
Federal Anti-Cybersquatting Consumer Protection Act, regulations under
the authority of the Internet Corporation of Assigned Names and
Numbers (ICANN), and other trademark law.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes (R)
Patient Advocacy Surgeon Certification

"Consider and Choose With Confidence" (TM)

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org

Lasik Bulletin Board
http://www.USAEyes.org/Ask-Lasik-Expert/

I am not a doctor.

Copyright 2007
All Rights Reserved

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:19:15 -0800 (PST), Speed Racer <...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 2, 9:02 pm, Glenn Hagele - USAEyes.org
<...@USAEyes.org> wrote:
> I've become a person at which a handful of people who had a bad Lasik
> outcome have decided to direct their ire. Their attacks include lying
> about my financial history, insulting my wife, publishing my personal
> identity including Social Security number, bank account numbers,
> credit card numbers on their bulletin boards, defamation, trademark
> infringement, listing doctors we have not certified as recommended,
> harassing those who fund and govern our nonprofit organization, and
> often doing this while hiding behind false identities and multiple
> aliases.
>
> Considering the work I do to advocate for Lasik patients and the
> nonprofit patient advocacy I founded, their acts seem to have no logic
> or reason. Even stranger is the fact that these people did not seek
> our information before surgery and did not use doctors certified by
> our organization, but you can't use logic and reason on illogical and
> unreasonable people.
>
> The outrageous accusations, manipulations, half-truths, outright lies,
> false complaints, and attacks on me and others by these anti-Lasik
> zealots have caused them some serious trouble.
>
> One recently had the FBI show up at his door investigating an alleged
> extortion attempt against his former surgeon and had previously been
> charged with felony use of false identity and resisting arrest.
> Another has the Attorney General investigating her for publicizing my
> personal identity including Social Security number on her website. Her
> employer is investigating how her access to federal secure computer
> systems was used to publish defamation on the Internet, and she uses
> so many aliases it is hard to keep up. Another has a permanent
> restraining order against him for threatening Dallas Lasik doctor
> William Boothe, MD with physical violence, has been sued for
> defamation, lost, found in contempt of court and sentenced to jail
> (fled state), is in bankruptcy, cyber-pirated our organization's
> trademark domain, plus I'm personally suing him for defamation and
> invasion of privacy in California Superior Court.
>
> Rather than copy and pasting the details again and again, just Google:
>
> Brent Hansonhttp://tinyurl.com/yrjayg
>
> Lauranell "Nell" Burchhttp://tinyurl.com/2y74l7
>
> Dean Andrew Kantishttp://tinyurl.com/2zf3qa
>
> Or visit my personal website:
>
> Brent Hansonhttp://www.GlennHagele.com/BrentHanson/
>
> Lauranell "Nell" Burchhttp://www.GlennHagele.com/LauranellBurch/
>
> Dean Kantishttp://www.GlennHagele.com/DeanAndrewKantis/
>
> For those who would like to form their own opinion about the work I do
> and the organization I founded, visit our website and/or our Lasik
> Patient Forum listed below my signature.
>
> One more thing: USAEyes is a trademark of the Council for Refractive
> Surgery Quality Assurance (http://www.USAEyes.org). The use of
> usaeyes.INFO, usaeyes.BIZ, usaeyes.NET, usaeyes.US, and other use of
> USAEyes by Brent Hanson is not approved by Council for Refractive
> Surgery Quality Assurance and appears to be a violation of the US
> Federal Anti-Cybersquatting Consumer Protection Act, regulations under
> the authority of the Internet Corporation of Assigned Names and
> Numbers (ICANN), and other trademark law.
>
> GlennHagele
> Executive Director
> USAEyes (R)
> Patient Advocacy Surgeon Certification
>
> "Consider and Choose With Confidence" (TM)
>
> Email toglenndothageleat usaeyes dot org
>
> http://www.USAEyes.org
>
> Lasik Bulletin Boardhttp://www.USAEyes.org/Ask-Lasik-Expert/
>
> I am not a doctor.
>
> Copyright 2007
> All Rights Reserved

Glenn Hagele Is Under Investigation By FBI & FDA?

Tuesday, September 4, 2007

Glenn Hagele, USAEyes, CRSQA Under Investigation by the FDA and FBI
and Consumer Affairs For Threatening To Blackmail Hurt Lasik
Patients??
According to FDA Petition # Docket No. 2007P-0004/CP 1

Glenn Hagele, CRSQA, and USAEyes are now under an indepth
investigation that was started by Dean A. Kantis creator of http://www.LifeAfterLasik.com
website, created to warn other citizens of Lying Lasik Doctors, Skewed
Success Rates to lure innocent patients, and "a referral network where
Lying Lasik Doctors undergo a CRSQA Certification at the tune of
$5,000/year in order for Glenn Hagele and USAEyes to refer "potential
lasik doctors or hurt lasik patients."

In otherwords, doctors are paying for leads. And they're doing it at
the patient's expense. So if you are a patient online looking to find
a cure, and you come across http://www.usaeyes.org/, you will run into
a "non doctor giving advice," which I hear is a BIG NO NO exclaimed
Mr. Kantis. Glenn Hagele says he's a "patient advocate," but doesn't
this sound biased asked Mr. Kantis.

Mr. Kantis also concluded that Glenn Hagele has had direct contact
with him in trying to defame Mr. Kantis, harass Mr. Kantis and others
through so called "black mail attempts," and from these ongoing
actions, Mr. Kantis and others have in turn started many department
investigations with Consumer Affairs, Sacramento Police Department and
the FBI. Mr. Kantis exclaims that as many as 10 other hurt lasik
patients have put in complaints to the bizzare behavior of CRSQA Lasik
Doctors and their leader, Glenn Hagele, who has but a "high school
education." One website helps to explain exactly this. http://www.usaeyes.info/.

This website explains how lasik doctors are buying leads from a "non
for profit 501-C3" that Mr. Glenn Hagele operates at the tune of
$5,000/per year and are also paying Mr. Hagele for "favors." These
favors have been reported to the FBI and Consumer Affairs. One patient
even asked, "How is it that these doctors were conned into spending
$5,000/year for a phony membership by someone who isn't even a doctor
but has merely a high school education and operates out of his home?"
No reply by Mr. Hagele.

The FDA has even commented that they do NOT recognize CRSQA! Here is a
list of CRSQA lasik doctors that appear to be tied to Glenn Hagele:

HERE IS THE LIST OF "POTENTIAL CRSQA DOCTORS" THAT APPEAR TO BE
WORKING WITH GLENN HAGELE:

Lasik Doctor Kerry Assil
Lasik Doctor Jay Bansal
Lasik Doctor Daniel Beers
Lasik Doctor Scott Behler
Lasik Doctor Robert Brems
Lasik Doctor Stephen Brint
Lasik Doctor Ronald Brown
Lasik Doctor Randy Burks
Lasik Doctor Andrew Caster
Lasik Doctor Benjamin Chang
Lasik Doctor David Dulaney
Lasik Doctor Daniel Durrie
Lasik Doctor Ella Faktorovich
Lasik Doctor Raymond Gailitis
Lasik Doctor Robert Gladsden
Lasik Doctor Daniel Goldberg
Lasik Doctor Jack T Holladay
Lasik Doctor Thierry Hufhagel

Lasik Doctor Kent Kirk (isn't this guy the one on the video telling
how great the statistics were about Alcon, i think many people lost a
lot of credibility for this guy, as in our opinions...he seemed to be
lying through his eyes)

Lasik Doctor Robert LinLasik Doctor Richard Lindstrom

Lasik Doctor Robert Maloney (isn't this the guy that just did lasik on
Kristen from Laguna Beach, who is like 20 years old...can you believe
a doctor would do that for publicity??? she's a kid, and who can say
if her eyes are stable and he just did lasik on her for probably
what...exposure??...very sick, two words: DEEPLY DISTURBING!!)

Lasik Doctor James McDonald
Lasik Doctor Michael Mockovak
Lasik Doctor Sanford Moretsky
Lasik Doctor Thomas Planchard
Lasik Doctor Philip Roholt
Lasik Doctor James Rynerson
Lasik Doctor Cary M Silverman
Lasik Doctor Swati Singh
Lasik Doctor Barrie Soloway
Lasik Doctor Gregory Stainer
Lasik Doctor Harmon Stein
Lasik Doctor Steven Stetson
Lasik Doctor Dan Tran
Lasik Doctor Mark Volpicelli
Lasik Doctor David A Wallace
Lasik Doctor Robert Weisenthal
Lasik Doctor Marc Werner
Lasik Doctor Norman Zaffater

A copy of the FDA Petition regarding Glenn Hagele and CRSQA can be
found at:

http://www.lifeafterlasik.com/fdapetitiontostoplasik.htm

Because of Mr. Glenn Hagele's ongoing lack of integrity, blackmailing
ways, and attempts to even financially defame and ruin hurt lasik
patients, the following websites have been created to warn innocent
doctors and patients of the criminal attempts by Mr. Glenn Hagele
ongoing:

http://www.usaeyes.info/ Find out if your surgeon is a FRAUD!! Find
out more about how many lawsuits lasik surgeons have, check your
doctor's reputation today and research any negative PR on your
potential lasik doctor. Many of these lasik doctors have even had 20,
50+ lawsuits and have ruined hundreds of their patient's lives, while
living off of their millions for their own family's benefit!

http://www.lasikeyesurgerywebsite.com/ Tells you about the dangers
EVERY LASIK SURGERY has on your eyes. Both short term and long term
damages, coming from a hurt lasik patient that has been suffering now
for 8+ years and all of the doctors tell her there is no way to fix
her. This is just one of thousands of hurt lasik patients that can't
find a solution to their ongoing visual daily hell of a nightmare.

http://www.lasiknightmare.com/ Tells you the truths about Lasik and
how the procedure absolutely destroys a patient's cornea...Most people
do not do their homework to find out that slashing a used razor blade
through one's perfectly virgin-regular cornea is NOT the only
option...PRK is much safer than Lasik and there is NO flap made (the
flap never heals).

http://www.lasikmemorial.com/ Dedicated to those whose lives have been
damaged or destroyed by refractive surgery, this site contains true
stories written by the victims themselves. When complications occur,
your life splits in two. There is the person you were before LASIK,
and the person you are now...the person whose dry eyes hurt all the
time, the person who sees multiple images of everything, who can't
drive at night, who can't fulfill his or her responsibilities as a
parent, or his or her potential as a human being, the person who
suffers from PTSD, depression, and various states of dread about the
future. You realize that maybe human nature isn't fundamentally good,
or at least that doctors aren't what you thought they were.

http://www.lasermyeye.org/ This site offers both great content and
great web design. Don't miss the D'ialogues forum, where you can ask
frank questions about risk and receive input from both patients and
optometrists. Also has an encyclopedia of terms relevant to refractive
surgery, as well as breaking news articles.

http://www.mylasikstory.com/ Another hurt lasik patient WARNING THE
WORLD of getting Halos, Starbursts, and other visual problems.

http://www.flawedlasik.com/ Flawed Lasik, telling you the challenges
and problems of Lasik from another hurt lasik patient!

http://www.eyefordesign.com/lasik.html John's story warning you that
Lasik is bad and to stay with contacts or glasses!

http://www.surgicaleyes.org/ From the site, "The purpose of the
Surgical Eyes Foundation is to empower past, present and future
patients who live with complications of refractive surgery. Towards
this end, it will maintain a website as a primary resource for those
with complications of refractive surgery to accomplish the following:
1. Coordinating with eye care professionals to facilitate
understanding of the needs of those with complications from refractive
surgery and advocating for treatment alternatives. 2. Increasing
public awareness of the potential risks in refractive surgery and
advocating for informed decision making 3. Disseminating information
about typical and emerging treatments to individuals with
complications of refractive surgery.

http://www.flawedlasik.com/ Created by patient activist Dominic
Morgan, this site chronicles Dominic's legal struggle with his surgeon
and with the FDA. The site states, "Most Lasik websites are
advertisements for having Lasik eye surgery. This website is to
educate you to the dangers of having Lasik when you are not a proper
candidate. Before you consider Lasik, you must be sure it can be done
safely, and that you are a proper candidate. I went to a doctor who
advertised that anyone who was nearsighted, farsighted, or had
astigmatism could be done safely...that's almost everybody! I trusted
these doctors, and now I'm legally blind. My name is Dom Morgan, and I
tell my story because it may be useful to anyone considering Lasik.

http://www.lasikfraud.com/ Created by patient activist Brent Hanson,
this site states, "Are you planning to have laser eye surgery at TLC?
Are you impressed with TLC's success stories? Do you believe that TLC
will honor their "Lifetime Commitment" to you? Do you have confidence
in the integrity and surgical skill of TLC's founder, Dr. Jeffery
Machat? If you answered yes to any of these four questions, then
please read about my experiences with eye surgery at TLC. Your
decision to have eye surgery may result in permanently damaging
results that are devastating to you. You may also discover that TLC
will not back up their "Lifetime Commitment Program" if they damage
your vision. I am going to share my personal story with you so that
you can get a more realistic view of what your experience could be
like. This story is unpleasant for me to tell, but you deserve to know
that TLC personnel are fully capable of damaging your vision,
deceiving you, abandoning you as a patient, harassing you, and
threatening you with lawsuits for speaking out.

http://www.doctormyeye.com/ Created by activist Optometrist Ken
Minarik, OD, this site states: "The internet is full of websites that
are owned by laser companies, clinics and LASIK providers that will
tell you all about the good cases and sell you on the "joys" of LASIK.
We will leave the pro-arguments to the salesmen. We are here to talk
about things that go wrong and the people who can help you when it
happens. Bookmark this site, and if you or a loved one are considering
LASIK...please read all of our cautions first. If you or a loved one are
suffering from LASIK complications...welcome to your online support
group. We are here for you."

FDA's Lasik Page: Generally good information, but be aware that this
is only an introduction. The FDA's site doesn't tell you about
patient's experiences with doctors when things go wrong, nor does it
feature simulations of vision following a failed LASIK, nor does it
adequately talk about risk. Doesn't even take quote from it's own FDA
transcripts on LASIK, many of which are very interesting, to say the
least. But...better than nothing at all, we guess. From the site,
"Some patients lose vision. Some patients lose lines of vision on the
vision chart that cannot be corrected with glasses, contact lenses, or
surgery as a result of treatment. Some patients develop debilitating
visual symptoms. Some patients develop glare, halos, and/or double
vision that can seriously affect nighttime vision. Even with good
vision on the vision chart, some patients do not see as well in
situations of low contrast, such as at night or in fog, after
treatment as compared to before treatment.

http://www.lifeafterlasik.com/Created by Dean Andrew Kantis, a lasik
patient that flew from Florida to Chicago to ensure that the procedure
would be given extra detail, and it turns out that just the opposite
happened. The doctor, Nick Caro & St George Corrective Vision Center
out of Chicago, IL happens to have 50+ lawsuits from disgruntled lasik
patients, and for some strange reason, still has an active license to
practice in the state of Illinois. Needless to say, Dean started a
huge investigation where the http://www.idfpr.com/ is going back 10
years on Nick Caro. Nick Caro is very concerned about the information
on this website in that he is a "DEFENDANT" in over 50+ lawsuits, so
he started what many are saying is a "frivolous lawsuit" to sue Dean
for $2,000,000.00 to try to "quiet" him, and it seems that Nick Caro
has a lot of people trying to get "search placement" to try to push
our results down, but so far, it has NOT worked and must have set Nick
back even more money. It ended up hurting Dr. Caro's reputation even
more. Dr. Caro has even made a "death threat" on Dean's life and this
information has been turned over to the Chicago Police Department, as
well as a Florida State Congressman and Attorney. Stay tuned as we
expose more on the Caro Clan...

Wake Up To LASIK Brief site written by an optometrist who was
recruited to "comanage" Lasik. From the site: "I was WINED and DINED.
Beneath the glow of dimmed chandeliers in an elegant restaurant, the
compliments were blushingly effusive. I was made to feel so very
special. It was seductive. The pitch came at the end of this dinner:
"Dr. X, for every patient you send to our laser center, we'll collect
the $5000 and we'll make sure you get back $2000." "That's an
extravagant amount," I said. "Isn't that a kickback?" "No, we call it
a co-management fee," was the quick reply. "You and I will manage the
patient together. A "kickback" lands us both in jail. Hehehe."

http://www.visionsimulations.com/ Created by author and psychologist
Roger D. Davis, PhD, this site features photorealistic images of the
visual aberrations incuded by LASIK and other refractive surgeries,
including starbursting, halos, glare, ghosting, blurry vision, and
night driving scenes. Also contain numerous animations, as well as
simulators that allow patients to approximate and communicate their
vision to friends, family, and physicians. If you want help simulating
your vision for others, start here.

http://www.lasiksucks4u.com/ Created by patient activist Dominic
Morgan, this site chronicles Dominic's legal struggle with his surgeon
and with the FDA. The site states, "Most Lasik websites are
advertisements for having Lasik eye surgery. This website is to
educate you to the dangers of having Lasik when you are not a proper
candidate. Before you consider Lasik, you must be sure it can be done
safely, and that you are a proper candidate. I went to a doctor who
advertised that anyone who was nearsighted, farsighted, or had
astigmatism could be done safely...that's almost everybody! I trusted
these doctors, and now I'm legally blind. My name is Dom Morgan, and I
tell my story because it may be useful to anyone considering Lasik.

http://www.lasikliberty.com/ (Want to see what the FDA is doing or is
NOT doing regarding the FDA's responsibility to Lasik Patients in
informing the public, and in establishing a strict "standard of care?"
This website was created by Dr. Michael Patterson, who has been
suffering with Post Lasik for over 6+ years...and to date, has found
no cure for his post lasik challenges.)

http://www.drdoka.com/ Read the website of a woman's life completely
destroyed in June of 2004 from having Lasik Surgery. Elivra Galindo,
continues to make it a mission to let others know how bad Lasik is and
that she has gone to over 15 doctors and not one of them have been
able to help her with her "post lasik dry eye syndrome. In fact, it is
so bad that she wants to take her life. As of today, Elvira continues
to suffer from this and "sleep deprivation" because her dry eye is
that bad.

http://www.eyefreedom.com/ (get an honest opinions on Lasik by a Dr.
who treats hundreds of Post Lasik victims: Dr. Edward Boshnick,
Scleral Lenses for Post Lasik problems)

http://www.noblur.com/ (get an honest opinion prior to your Lasik, by
a Dr. who treats hundreds of Post Lasik victims from all over. Dr. Ken
Maller, RGP lenses for Post Lasik problems)

http://www.kcfreedom.org/ or http://www.kcglobal.org/ (Very
informative forum and focused on Keratoconus, a cone shaping/bubbling
eye disorder).

http://www.lasikdisaster.com/ (very informative Post Lasik Information)
...

http://www.lasikinfocenter.net/ (very legally informative/has Glare
Charts)...

http://www.foxchicago.com/_ezpost/data/16747.shtml (Fox Chicago news
on how bad Lasik really is to inform you)

http://www.lasikfraud.com/ (very informative A-Z of Lasik & problems
with Lasik)

http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/lasik/contact.htm (FDA file a LASIK complaint)
...

http://www.visionsimulations.com/ (exactly what to expect to see like
after Lasik)

http://www.doctormyeye.com/ (some honest information about Lasik and
Post Lasik)

http://www.lasikmemorial.com/ (some honest information about Lasik and
Post Lasik)

http://www.lasermyeye.org/ (some honest information about Lasik and
Post Lasik)

http://www.flawedlasik.com/ (some honest information about Lasik and
Post Lasik)

http://www.surgicaleyes.org/ (patient nightmare stories, good Post
Lasik Doctors to help you)

http://www.lasikmemorial.com/ (some honest information about Lasik and
Post Lasik)

http://www.lasiksos.com/ (some honest information about Lasik and Post
Lasik)

http://www.lasiksucks4you.com/ (some honest information about Lasik
and Post Lasik)

http://www.lasikreality.com/ (some honest information about Lasik and
Post Lasik)

http://www.refractivesource.com/ (some honest information about Lasik
and Post Lasik)

http://www.kcsupport.org/ (make sure your doctor correctly evaluates
you before Lasik)

http://www.cleareyeclinic.com/lasik.html (clinical results of Lasik, 3
questions to ask, but not the right question)

http://www.anattorneyforyou.com/legal/lasik-litigation.htm (list of
Lasik Litigation Attorneys to help you)

http://www.ophthalmic.hyperguides.com/default.asp?section=body.asp
(pain management & other eye problems/treatments)

http://www.crstoday.com/PDF%20Articles/0105/F3_Daya.html (additional
problems Post Lasik)

http://www.kathygriffin.net/lasik.php (yes, you guessed right. Kathy
is the famous actress/comedian and she tells about how badly her Lasik
procedure went even after going to a great Dr. and doing her du-
diligence first, and she tells about her 5 surgeries that still have
not corrected what she lost...Also, did you know that Jennifer
Capriati went to one of the best Lasik Drs. and she no longer can play
tennis at night under the lights because of the problem with glares
and halos. She can no longer play her competitive game.


On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:39:46 GMT, "Scott" <...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

fraud, divorce, disorderly conduct...
http://tinyurl.com/2vg3vj

"Speed Racer" <...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news...@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.


On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:08:46 -0800, Glenn Hagele - USAEyes.org <...@USAEyes.org> wrote:

I've become a person at which a handful of people who had a bad Lasik
outcome have decided to direct their ire. Their attacks include lying
about my financial history, insulting my wife, publishing my personal
identity including Social Security number, bank account numbers,
credit card numbers on their bulletin boards, defamation, trademark
infringement, listing doctors we have not certified as recommended,
harassing those who fund and govern our nonprofit organization, and
often doing this while hiding behind false identities and multiple
aliases.

Considering the work I do to advocate for Lasik patients and the
nonprofit patient advocacy I founded, their acts seem to have no logic
or reason. Even stranger is the fact that these people did not seek
our information before surgery and did not use doctors certified by
our organization, but you can't use logic and reason on illogical and
unreasonable people.

The outrageous accusations, manipulations, half-truths, outright lies,
false complaints, and attacks on me and others by these anti-Lasik
zealots have caused them some serious trouble.

One recently had the FBI show up at his door investigating an alleged
extortion attempt against his former surgeon and had previously been
charged with felony use of false identity and resisting arrest.
Another is being sued in North Carolina Superior Court for publicizing
my personal identity including Social Security number on her website.
Her employer is investigating how her access to federal secure
computer systems was used to publish defamation on the Internet, and
she uses so many aliases it is hard to keep up. Another has a
permanent restraining order against him for threatening Dallas Lasik
doctor William Boothe, MD with physical violence, has been sued for
defamation, lost, found in contempt of court and sentenced to jail
(fled state), is in bankruptcy, cyber-pirated our organization's
trademark domain, plus I'm personally suing him for defamation and
invasion of privacy in California Superior Court.

Rather than copy and pasting the details again and again, just Google:

Brent Hanson
http://tinyurl.com/yrjayg

Lauranell "Nell" Burch
http://tinyurl.com/2y74l7

Dean Andrew Kantis
http://tinyurl.com/2zf3qa

Or visit my personal website:

Brent Hanson
http://www.GlennHagele.com/BrentHanson/

Lauranell "Nell" Burch
http://www.GlennHagele.com/LauranellBurch/

Dean Kantis
http://www.GlennHagele.com/DeanAndrewKantis/

For those who would like to form their own opinion about the work I do
and the organization I founded, visit our website and/or our Lasik
Patient Forum listed below my signature.

One more thing: USAEyes is a trademark of the Council for Refractive
Surgery Quality Assurance (http://www.USAEyes.org). The use of
usaeyes.INFO, usaeyes.BIZ, usaeyes.NET, usaeyes.US, and other use of
USAEyes by Brent Hanson is not approved by Council for Refractive
Surgery Quality Assurance and appears to be a violation of the US
Federal Anti-Cybersquatting Consumer Protection Act, regulations under
the authority of the Internet Corporation of Assigned Names and
Numbers (ICANN), and other trademark law.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes (R)
Patient Advocacy Surgeon Certification

"Consider and Choose With Confidence" (TM)

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org

Lasik Bulletin Board
http://www.USAEyes.org/Ask-Lasik-Expert/

I am not a doctor.

Copyright 2007
All Rights Reserved

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