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On Tue, 26 May 2009 08:36:01 -0400, Hipupchuck <...@roadrunner.com
I would default to Gnome for starters. You can add KDE3 or 4 in software
choices before install or after install. XFCE is a nice desktop also and
there are many others. People complain a lot about KDE4 because it's way
different acting from KDE3.
I would format anything that I want to read and write to with MS and
Linux both to FAT32. Sometimes Linux balks at NTFS.
11.1 is a smooth OS but may be a hassle for a wireless notebook. Ubuntu
has a better wireless setup that actually works the first time.
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 09:35:07 -0700, propman <...@nowhere.ca
Guess it depends on the system.....Ubuntu v9.04 didn't work with my rt73
driver based wireless unit (neither has any of the four previous
releases I've run) but opensuse 11.1 doesn't have any problem with it. :-)
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 13:54:33 +0200, DenverD <"spam.trap\\REMOVE \"at\" SOME\\texan.dk"
do some conversation watching at forums.opensuse.org (via http OR
nntp) and you might see that there are KDE4 problems daily, if not
hourly..
i've heard (but not tried) that 11.1 without KDE4 is pretty
good....very good..
you can even find *some* there posting that once you upgrade the KDE4
to version 4.2.x it is the very best thing invented in the last 500
years...installs like a breeze, all hardware works out of the
box....just drop dead simple and painless..
my opinion: i would install either KDE3.x, Gnome or your favorite
other (KDE3, Gnome, XFCE and others are on the DVD....ALL can be
installed via the net, after the intial)..
you say "I rarely use kde or gnome", if that means you run (say,
server functions via) command line then i have also heard that 11.1 is
GREAT!!
that said, i continue to run 10.3....and, may move to 11.1 if it ever
gets mostly stable and dependable (not what i've seen via watching at
forums.opensuse.org)
otherwise i'm gonna jump to: ?? SLED, Red Hat, CentOS, Debian, or ....
i can't offer an opinion on that since i've not needed either a fat
nor ntfs partition since '95, when i got tired of waiting for the
Answer to All Problems then known to Windows 3.1, and turned in my
nose ring as i left..
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DenverD (Linux Counter 282315) via Thunderbird 3.0.1-1.1, KDE 3.5.7,
openSUSE Linux 10.3, 2.6.22.19-0.2-default #1 SMP i686 athlon
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 20:01:27 +0200, Canned <...@domain.invalid
DenverD schreef:
I'm gonna try it, thanks.
I've said that but that doesn't mean I enjoy watching black monitor with
white letters on it. I use fluxbox all the time, nice and simple window
manager. Now I just want something flashy for my new pc.
>
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 14:22:03 +0200, houghi <...@houghi.org.invalid
There are other options as well. I run Windowmaker. I use GNOME and KDE
and other programs, but not the WM (or DM if you like). IceWM is
apparently very good as well.
Then perhaps 11.2 will be out already. Remember also that forums always
show the worst.
Choice is great, isn't is. ;-) Remember that KDE and GNOME are just
programs that you can decide to run or not on any of those, including
openSUSE.
From your selection above, I _personally_ would go for Debian.
SLED is realy work enviroment directed. I like to have the easynes of
MPlayer and NVidea installation that comes with openSUSE.
RedHat is the same to me me as SLED
CentOS is just a ripoff of Red Hat (like Ubuntu is of Debian)
So that leaves Debian.
My personal non-openSUSE choice would be Mandriva. I looked at it a few
times and looked really nice, just not nice enough to go away from
openSUSE.
I always intend to use LFS at least once to get a deeper insight in
everything, but can't find the tie to do so. Sigh!
95 was also the last one I ran. I liked it. I had the first version
without IE in it and it ran OK. The basic problem was that when you
installed and deinstalled a lot of things, it became very unstable.
I went to Linux when I saw a transparent terminal (Eterm) with
Enlightenment. Another reason was that I was at my end of knowledge with
Windows. The next step would have been writing programs myself.
I clicked all the buttons and ran almost all the programs that came
with a standard installation.
With Linux dfo not have those limitations. In fact, the more I learn,
the more I realize I need to learn much more. :-D
So I do understand that the GP wants to start with the Compiz stuff. I
started with Linux for pure blingbling as well. :-D
houghi
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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom.
Don't ever count on having both at once.
-- Robert A. Heinlein
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 15:34:08 +0200, DenverD <"spam.trap\\REMOVE \"at\" SOME\\texan.dk"
yes, but if 11.2 is like anything released since Novell got involved
it will not be stable for at least six months...or, more like a year..
yes i know..
no, you misunderstood...i left M$ in the early spring of '95 (as in
1995) after waiting for their Messiah for THREE years of hawking that
they were gonna solve ALL the problems in win3.1 with "Chicago", while
the release window just kept moving further away..
i went from 3.1 to OS/2 Warp v 3.0 and never looked back...moved to
Warp 4 in in '96....used it daily while experimenting with Red Hat
(and many others) from about 97/98, bought eComStation 1.0 and 2.0 but
was using Linux more and more...have not booted a Warp machine in
years and years..
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DenverD (Linux Counter 282315) via Thunderbird 3.0.1-1.1, KDE 3.5.7,
openSUSE Linux 10.3, 2.6.22.19-0.2-default #1 SMP i686 athlon
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 15:11:19 +0200, Eef Hartman <...@math.tudelft.nl
houghi <...@houghi.org.invalid
Oh, I like KDM. It is a good login screen manager and can start almost
anything, not just KDE or Gnome.
What I dislike is the whole KDE setup, with lots of structured menus
and the Window Manager itself.
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** e-mail: E.J....@tudelft.nl, fax: +31-15-278 7295 **
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 17:34:56 +0200, houghi <...@houghi.org.invalid
I use KDM as well, as it easily lets me pre-select the user. I like GDM
more because it is easier to change the location of your login. Nothing
as iritating as a login screen over a female nipple. :-D
I absolutely dislike the new mmenu system, although I understand why
others would like it. That is easily adapted though by a rightclick.
houghi
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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom.
Don't ever count on having both at once.
-- Robert A. Heinlein
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 16:50:41 +0000, arnold <...@nto.com
Thanks for that one. It woks like a charm.
arnold
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 19:53:09 +0200, Canned <...@domain.invalid
Eef Hartman schreef:
I'm totally agree with you. I use kdm myself because it looks good and I
can even change/create the theme myself. I rarely use kde because I feel
it's too bloated, but it looks great comparing to fluxbox, which I use a
lot.
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 20:05:16 +0200, Canned <...@domain.invalid
houghi schreef:
You understand me the most.
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 22:52:14 +0200, marrgol <...@gspammail.com
Go for FAT - just find yourself windows version of "split" in case you
need to transport a ReallyBigFile.
Check http://www.freeotfe.org/
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mrg
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 07:52:19 +0200, houghi <...@houghi.org.invalid
The best person to comment on how you are going to like it is you.
Try it out and see for yourself. I also don't use KDE or GNOME.
Wether it is save to use depends on wether you like puppies, because
each time you run KDE, a puupy is killed (running GNOME kills a kitten)
FAT will give you access to it from Windows, Linux, Mac and many other
OSses.
houghi
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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom.
Don't ever count on having both at once.
-- Robert A. Heinlein
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 10:52:45 +0200, Canned <...@domain.invalid
houghi schreef:
That's not what I'm asking. I just want to hear a second opinion before
I install it. Installing new os is the most tedious job, that's why I'm
asking for your opinion. If many says that it's no good, then I'm going
to look for another distro, and if many says that it's great, maybe it's
worth a try. Isn't it how democracy work?
There is nothing wrong from learning from other people experience so you
don't have to 'reinvent the wheel'. I want a flashy desktop for my new
pc, like kde + compiz. I heard in 11.0 a lot of people having trouble
with kde4, I'm just wondering if the same also happen in 11.1 or not.
Sadly, fat doesn't work with file bigger than 4 GB, I know that since
yesterday. Is there an alternative to solve that? Also, anyone know
windows program that can be used with luks encrypted partition?
> houghi
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 12:44:00 +0200, houghi <...@houghi.org.invalid
Installing it is NOT tedious. At least not with openSUSE. You can try
out all three (GNOME, KDE 3.x and KDE4) very easy and removing that is
very easy as well.
This can be done during the installation and after the instalation. And
seriously extremely easy.
Taste is not about democracy, it is about taste. I dislike (hate might
be more accurate) KDE and GNOME. That does not mean it is not good for
YOU, it just means it is not good for ME.
This isn't about democracy, this is about choice and the choice is
yours.
I didn't have any problem. That does not mean you won't either. Somebody
else did have problems, that does not mean you will. This is partly due
to the large varity in hardware and also in what people think is a
problem.
Again trying it out yourself is the best way to see what you like.
Installing KDE3 and 4 and GNOME will take much less time then discussing
about it. Seriously.
Just pick one and if you don;t know how to pick the others when one is
installed, just come back here ad ask. I even believe there is a
one-click-install way of doing it.
Depends. You wanted something that was accessible from any PC and FAT is
it with all its limitations. Now if you have access to install software
on the different PCs, then you could use EXT3 and install a driver on
the Windows machine to read it. Probably something like that exists on
Apple as well if they can't read it by default.
This however means that you can't just read it on any machine righyt
away.
NTFS can be used if the data is backed up somewhere. Due to the fact
that the drivers are reversed enginered, writing could lead to dataloss.
Reading should be no problem.
No idea. I do not know luks or Windows, so perhaps somebody else or
google can help you.
houghi
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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom.
Don't ever count on having both at once.
-- Robert A. Heinlein
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 13:17:20 +0200, Eef Hartman <...@math.tudelft.nl
houghi <...@houghi.org.invalid
NTFS-3G, which is included in openSUSE, seems to work alright in
read/write mode. The one problem I ever had with it was that ntfs-3g
_is_ case-sensitive and Windows itself is not, so in Linux it is
possible to create "different case" filenames (cq directories) than
already present ones, but Windows will only be able to access one of
those (the first one found in the directory).
To the OP:
mount -t ntfs-3g cq type "ntfs-3g" in the /etc/fstab file
works in openSUSE 10.3. I don't know if it has become the default
already in 11.*, but if it's not:
ln -s /bin/ntfs-3g /sbin/mount.ntfs
will send all mounts for ntfs partitions through the fuse "ntfs-3g"
util. You'll see that a similar link is already present for
"mount.ntfs-3g":
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2007-12-10 13:40 /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g ---
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** Eef Hartman, Delft University of Technology, dept. SSC/ICT **
** e-mail: E.J....@tudelft.nl, fax: +31-15-278 7295 **
** snail-mail: P.O. Box 5031, 2600 GA Delft, The Netherlands **
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 16:51:12 +0000, arnold <...@nto.com
I just did it this AM. It seems fine so far.
arnold
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:44:29 +0200, houghi <...@houghi.org.invalid
I was not negative, what I always say is: if it ain't broke, don't fix
it.
Why? Is 11.0 broke? I have 11.0 one one and 11.1 on the other and I see
absolutely no need to upgrade.
houghi
--
But I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am
free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I
tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free
because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
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