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On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:32:00 -0700, "{:-])))" <...@caguama.net
Cuz it's the wisdom that counts?
Lumbini, Tilaurakot/Kapilvastu?
Oral traditions can be tricky.
Try Glastonbury.
For Martha, try Tarascon.
For Mary, try St. Maximin.
For Lazarus, St.Victor in Marseilles.
Born in Huhsien, aka Luyi,
about 70 miles from Shangchiu.
See the shrine there.
There's also a stele at the
grave of his mother.
But that wasn't what you asked.
The Royal Archives were at Loyang.
Aka Luoyang, Henanfu, Honanfu.
Probably not much, if any.
"The original city of Luoyang was constructed by the Duke of Zhou in
the 11th century BC as a settlement for the remnants of the captured
Shang nobility and was named Chengzhou. It became the capital of the
Zhou Dynasty in 770 BC. The city was destroyed in a civil war in 510
BC and rebuilt the next year at the request of the king.
In AD 25, Luoyang became the capital of Eastern Han Dynasty. For
several centuries, Luoyang was the focal point of China. In AD 68, the
White Horse Temple, the first Buddhist temple in China, was founded in
Luoyang. The temple still exists, though the architecture is of later
origin, mainly from the 16th century. An Shihkao was one of the first
monks to popularize Buddhism in Luoyang.
In AD 190, Chancellor Dong Zhuo ordered his soldiers to ransack,
pillage and raze the city ... "
He went west. Got tired of the wars.
"When Prince Chao was banished from Wangcheng,
he took with him the royal archives, the same archives
of which Lao-tzu was supposedly in charge. If Lao-tzu
needed a reason to leave, he certainly had one in 516 BC."
Siddhartha and Jesus both fasted.
Perhaps delusional, or visionaries, they both
returned, ate well, and spoke of many things.
Lao Tzu maybe read a great deal. He might
have practiced some of the techniques
alluded to in the Tao Te Ching.
Leaving his wisdom at the gate
could be literal and metaphorical.
Myths one and all at this point.
That may or may not be the point
of what was said or said to have
been said by anyone in particular.
What difference does it make
if George Washington or any of the
founders of the States existed?
What if Christopher Columbus
didn't really sail across an ocean?
The so-called New World
and the States is a big machine.
It has its own reality, in various ways.
There's a spirit about it. Canada too.
Not to mention Mexico and lands
folks landed on to the south.
Attributing principles or discoveries
to somebody real or imagined
might not really make much difference.
Does it matter if everything
really originated in ancient Egypt?
Or does China get more credit?
Why may that matter?
Ideas
such as desire=suffering
or, love people, or be like water,
those ideas might not matter if the original
sayers of the sayings existed.
If you can dematerialize
and rematerialize on command,
that might be a whole other deal.
-in reality
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On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:12:13 -0700 (PDT), zenworm <...@gmail.com
On Jun 5, 3:32 pm, "{:-])))" <...@caguama.net
get real
;)
ZN
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