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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:09:49 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
"mose" <...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
NO ONE is denied treatment in the US. NO ONE. If you want to die waiting in
line move to fucking Canada. If you want to destroy innovation move to
fucking Canada where they live off our innovation and die waiting in line
and leave the rest of us who aren't STUPID the fuck alone, you fucking
idiot.
-Eddie Haskell
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:07:17 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
"PC" <...@news.eternal-september.org...
An insurance company cannot stop a procedure from being performed.
Government run healthcare however can, moron. If you want to talk about
denied coverage, Medicare denies more coverage both in percentages and in
raw numbers than ANY insurance company. Furthermore, with insurance
companies you have legal recourse. With government run healthcare you will
not.
Have I stomped your ass enough, or would you like some more?
-Eddie Haskell
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:16:41 -0600, "PC" <...@minneapolis.mn.us
"Eddie Haskell" <...@news.newshosting.com...
Sure they can - they simply deny reimbursement even though you have paid
your premiums for years.
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:26:55 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
"PC" <...@news.eternal-september.org...
Why did you delete the rest of my post where I preempted this stupid
argument that I knew you'd mount from your DNC manual?
-Eddie Haskell
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:46:13 -0600, "PC" <...@minneapolis.mn.us
"Eddie Haskell" <...@news.newshosting.com...
It was not on point and devloved into name calling and attacks on a
political party instead of intelligently discussing the issue at hand.
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:46:53 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
"PC" <...@news.eternal-september.org...
I guess I got my answer as to whether you wanted any more ass stomping.
-Eddie Haskell
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:31:17 GMT, "mose" <...@capp.com
"Eddie Haskell" <...@news.newshosting.com...
Sure shit for brains, they cannot stop any procedure hey. Well we all know
about that ey. So you take them to court. Err how long is that going to
take? and how much is that going to cost? your house, or you probably havent
got one because all these clever money fellas that have been following guys
like you suddenly caused jobs to disappear , then your house disappeared.
But never mind all that while in court by gollies there is plenty of spare
beds for visiting oil sheiks or cashed up Canadians or Australians.
Oh and dickhead who believes anything some halfwit will try to sell yopu on
radio ofr TV for a wad of monbey.
You get it , not for the good of the country or better health care, just for
a wad of money. So pay any one enough and he'll bs you all day.
Now lets take a serious look ay your present health care.
Speaking in the UK yesterday, former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX)
predicted that if a Democrat is elected president in 2008, he or she would
seek to install universal health care, similar to the system in Britain.
This possibility "received thunderous applause." DeLay claimed that, under
the U.S. system, "no American is denied health care":
By the way, there's no one denied health care in America. There are 47
million people who don't have health insurance, but no American is denied
health care in America.
The audience, understandably, greeted DeLay's preposterous claims with
"derisive laughter," according to the AP. A recent report showed that for
the sixth straight year, jobholders continued to see a decline in
employer-provided health insurance, with 38 states seeing "significant"
drops in benefits offered by employers.
Observers estimate that anywhere from one to 18 percent of Americans are
denied health insurance because of pre-existing health conditions. These
conditions can range from heart disease to high cholesterol to yeast
infections to being too skinny. A few examples of Americans who were denied
health care:
Texas resident Shirley Lowe was denied health care because her breast
cancer was diagnosed at a medical center rather than a clinic receiving
federal cancer-research funds.
New Orleans bus driver Emanuel Wilson was denied health care when the
government refused to pay for his chemotherapy because he had had a job that
had provided insurance - a job he lost after Hurricane Katrina.
Thousands of 9/11 workers who worked at Ground Zero were denied health
care when the federal government approved woefully inadequate funds to
address the permanent health problems, such as sinusitis and asthma,
associated with work at the site.
As Michael Moore's film "Sicko" showed so clearly, millions more Americans
who have health insurance are denied the care they need due to insurers'
"cost-cutting strategies."
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/09/delay-health-care/
Then there is POLITICIANS LIKE probably your hero Georgie?
But once warned etc, the average voter is going to listen carefully to
what is being offered, voting wiith brains not just party followers no
matter what.
http://www.familiesusa.org/resources/newsroom/press-releases/2001-press-release s/press-release-over-75-million-people-denied-medical-care-by-health-plans-since -bush-took-office.html
Over 7.5 Million People Denied Medical Care by Health Plans Since Bush
Took Office
Patients' Rights Groups Unveil Electronic Counter at Rally
You see dickhead there are problems with health care, mainly because more
people are receiving health care.
So some elective surgery might slow, but the government is the bunny and
you vote against it ,or vote for a different rep if not good.
If you're a doctor, you might have to take a dip or hold your rates you
charge. Just like the rest of the workers in the country.
And perhaps show a bit of concern.
Oh for you moneyed people go get a quote.
http://freehealthinsurancequotesonline.org/8/americans-without-health-insurance -rises-by-2-million-to-43-6-million/
ANYWAY EDDIE AS THIS SAYS "CUT THE CRAP"
http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/2009/10/more-tales-of-american-health- care-2.html
AND IF THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE MAKING A PROFIT, I AM SURE THE COUNTRY
CAN RUN IT WITHOUT MUCH TROUBLE.
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:05:07 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
"mose" <...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
You WILL be denied healthcare based on age and worth under Obamacare and
there will be NO recourse. Medicare right NOW denies coverage more often
than ANY private insurance company. Get that FACT through your fucking head.
Can you THINK? Furthermore, the 47 million number is a fucking LIE, you
dumbfuck. Why do your mental masters have to LIE to promote their agenda?
Ask yourself that for once, STUPID FUCK!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo
-Eddie Haskell
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:28:03 -0800 (PST), Stile4aly <...@yahoo.com
On Nov 5, 9:07 am, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
They can refuse to pay for it, and unless it's an emergency procedure
the hospital or the doctor can then refuse to perform the procedure
without payment.
Citation needed.
Furthermore, with insurance
Citation needed.
The only thing you're stomping is your own feet in impotent rage.
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:40:42 -0800 (PST), liberal2 <...@yahoo.com
On Nov 5, 12:28 pm, Stile4aly <...@yahoo.com
Even if it's an emergency requirement, if the hospital/doctor can
stablize the patient...that's all they're required to do.
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:00:19 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
"liberal2" <...@31g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 12:28 pm, Stile4aly <...@yahoo.com
And you can cite an example where that's all they did of course..
-Eddie Haskell
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:58:08 -0800 (PST), Stile4aly <...@yahoo.com
On Nov 5, 1:57 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
So what would be the difference today? If you have no health care and
need a non emergent procedure, you can't get the treatment as is. If
someone selects the public option and only gets 50% of their
treatments covered, that's still significantly better than they are
today. Even so, by your own citation, Medicare only denies just shy
of 7% of claims, so that means 93% would be covered. We'll dig a bit
deeper into that in a second.
Fascinating. Did you go back to the AMA report to see *why* those
claims are being denied? The reason is not "we're big government and
we hate old people."
28% denied because the claim doesn't have enough info to be processed
- These can be resubmitted.
21% denied because the claim isn't medically necessary. - These can be
appealed
14% denied because the claim isn't covered. - These are disclosed in
the Explanation of Benefits.
So, in other words, the majority of claims are denied either because
they are for non covered services or because they were filed
improperly. Are these not valid reasons to deny coverage? Also,
note, for almost every other provider on that AMA report, the highest
reasons for denials are because of pre-existing conditions, requests
for coverage after termination of a policy, or rejections due to
untimely filing. Medicare doesn't have those restrictions or those
bureaucratic problems. Only Aetna seems to have a similar rejection
pattern to Medicare (that is, for coverage reasons as opposed to
bureaucratic reasons), and as a result it has a similar rejection
rate.
Your failure to backup your argument, and thus your concession on this
point is noted.
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:08:53 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
"Stile4aly" <...@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 1:57 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
Same reasons as private insurance except Medicare denies more. Apparently
the whole point eluded you.
-Eddie Haskell
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:48:58 -0800 (PST), liberal2 <...@yahoo.com
On Nov 6, 1:08 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
One reason Medicare may (I repeat, may, because I don't know the true
situation and I can't trust you) deny a procedure is when a 90 year
old needs (for example) a heart tranplant. The procedure alone would
kill the patient. And private insurance isn't going to cover a ninety
year old person except with co-pays and premiums that reimburse the
company annually for the statistical medical costs of a 90 year
person.
Private insurance mainly insure healthy people (working people), not
people with a history of serious medical problems (the unemployable).
So you're comparing apples to oranges.
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:59:08 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
"liberal2" <...@l35g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 1:08 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
So you're saying that government run Medicare denies coverage more often to
the people who need it most?
See here where grandma gets a pill instead of a pace-maker under Obamacare:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo
-Eddie Haskell
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:56:19 -0800 (PST), liberal2 <...@yahoo.com
On Nov 6, 1:59 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
No, you're saying that. I'm only saying that when there are financial
and medical constraints, assets are generally applied where the
outcomes are statistically superior.
What are the Blue Cross/Blue Shield premiums and co-pays for a 90 year
old person not having Medicare coverage?
In similar cases, where (you claim) Medicare denied payment did
private insurance pay for the same procedure? Care to compare numbers
corrected for population differences? Remember: Medicare is generally
for people over 65, private insurance is for working age people. That
skews the argument. Which is your goal.
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:15:03 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
"liberal2" <...@l35g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 1:59 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
So you're saying that under Obamacare we will have death panels.
See here where grandma gets a pill instead of a pace-maker under Obamacare:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo
There's such a thing?
How so? Medicare denies coverage to sick people more often than private
insurance. It doesn't matter that their are more sick people under Medicare.
-Eddie Haskell
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:53:42 -0800 (PST), Stile4aly <...@yahoo.com
On Nov 6, 11:08 am, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
Apparently you failed to read the AMA report or my post. The whole
point, as you put it, is that private insurance does not deny claims
for the same reasons as Medicare. Medicare denies claims primarily
because they are for non covered or non-medically necessary services
or because the claims were filed with insufficient information. They
never deny because of a lapse of coverage or because of preexisting
conditions or for untimely filing of a claim, which are among the
primary reasons that private insurers deny claims.
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:25:10 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
"Stile4aly" <...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 11:08 am, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
You list circumstances under which Medicare does not deny claims and where
private insurance does, and yet Medicare denies more claims.
-Eddie Haskell
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:58:38 -0800 (PST), Stile4aly <...@yahoo.com
On Nov 6, 12:25 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
You act as if a denied claim in and of itself is a failure of
insurance. There are valid reasons to deny a claim. Are some claims
denied improperly? Surely, but from the rationales listed in the AMA
document, it appears that Medicare's primary reasons to deny claims
are around insufficient documentation, lack of medical necessity, and
non-covered services.
Perhaps you can tell us why insurance companies should cover claims
without sufficient documentation. Or why they should cover non-
medically necessary services. Or why they should cover services that
are excluded from coverage.
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:25:38 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
"Stile4aly" <...@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 12:25 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
No, that's the claim that I always hear from healthcare reform proponents -
that private insurance will deny your claim.
And now that I point out that Medicare denies more claims than private
insurance you make my very argument for me.
Too funny!
Same as private insurance.
You need to ask reform proponents that have made that argument to me as a
reason we need Obamacare.
-Eddie Haskell
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:18:08 -0800 (PST), "leo...@gmail.com" <...@gmail.com
On Nov 5, 10:09 am, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com•• Well Eddy, it appears that you are among the unwashed and ignorant
Americans without a clue.
•• There is nobody in Canada that is without
healthcare. Sure we had long waits ten years
ago when we were integrating a couple of
million families from 3rd world countries.
That was into a population of 27 millions.
Compare that to USA pop 309,000,000.
•• A dozen years ago, when I returned because I
could not obtain adequate medical care in NY,
I had to get a new health card and the crowd
and the OHIP office was humungous. I was
sitting next to a middle Eastern couple with 6
kids under ten. It took 2 hours to get my card.
Two years ago, when I was due for renewal I
was in and out in ten minutes.
•• I have had 6 surgical procedures, many xrays
ultra sounds, CATscans, MRI etc all without
charge. My cousin was visiting her son in LA,
when she slipped in the shower and broke her
arm. The bill $85,000
•• There is no question, Obamacare is a disaster.
It can not fly. USA needs to copy the Canadian
plan with 50+ state plans financed by a payroll
tax like SSI, and the balance split between State
and federal governments.
That would also eliminate any constitutional
problems.
–– ––
Political correctness is destroying Europe.
America will be the next down the PC tube
greased by academic idiots like Scott Erb,
Noam Chumpsky, and Ward Churchill, and
Slick Willy & Hilly, Algore & Pelosi, and
now Barak Hussein Muhammad Obama, too.
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:32:00 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
<...@m25g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 10:09 am, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com Well Eddy, it appears that you are among the unwashed and ignorant
Americans without a clue.
There is nobody in Canada that is without
healthcare.
http://canadaonline.about.com/od/healthcarewaittimes/Wait_Times_for_Health_Care _in_Canada.htm
-Eddie Haskell
Sure we had long waits ten years
ago when we were integrating a couple of
million families from 3rd world countries.
That was into a population of 27 millions.
Compare that to USA pop 309,000,000.
A dozen years ago, when I returned because I
could not obtain adequate medical care in NY,
I had to get a new health card and the crowd
and the OHIP office was humungous. I was
sitting next to a middle Eastern couple with 6
kids under ten. It took 2 hours to get my card.
Two years ago, when I was due for renewal I
was in and out in ten minutes.
I have had 6 surgical procedures, many xrays
ultra sounds, CATscans, MRI etc all without
charge. My cousin was visiting her son in LA,
when she slipped in the shower and broke her
arm. The bill $85,000
There is no question, Obamacare is a disaster.
It can not fly. USA needs to copy the Canadian
plan with 50+ state plans financed by a payroll
tax like SSI, and the balance split between State
and federal governments.
That would also eliminate any constitutional
problems.
Political correctness is destroying Europe.
America will be the next down the PC tube
greased by academic idiots like Scott Erb,
Noam Chumpsky, and Ward Churchill, and
Slick Willy & Hilly, Algore & Pelosi, and
now Barak Hussein Muhammad Obama, too.
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:32:17 -0600, "PC" <...@minneapolis.mn.us
<...@m25g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
America will be the next down the PC tube
greased by academic idiots like Scott Erb,
Noam Chumpsky, and Ward Churchill, and
Slick Willy & Hilly, Algore & Pelosi, and
now Barak Hussein Muhammad Obama, too.
Yes it is so much better if we call each other fag, nigger, and gook.
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:37:28 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
"PC" <...@news.eternal-september.org...
PC created the financial crisis.
"Its one of the hidden success stories of the Clinton era. In the great
housing boom of the 1990s, black and Latino homeownership has surged to the
highest level ever recorded."
"All of this suggests that Clintons efforts to increase minority access to
loans and capital also have spurred this decades gains. Under Clinton, bank
regulators have breathed the first real life into enforcement of the
Community Reinvestment Act, a 20-year-old statute meant to combat
redlining by requiring banks to serve their low-income communities. The
administration also has sent a clear message by stiffening enforcement of
the fair housing and fair lending laws. The bottom line: Between 1993 and
1997, home loans grew by 72% to blacks and by 45% to Latinos, far faster
than the total growth rate.""
"Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac buy mortgages from lenders and bundle them into
securities; that provides lenders the funds to lend more"
"In 1992, Congress mandated that Fannie and Freddie increase their purchases
of mortgages for low-income and medium-income borrowers. Operating under
that requirement, Fannie Mae, in particular, has been aggressive and
creative in stimulating minority gains."
"The two companies are now required to devote 42% of their portfolios to
loans for low- and moderate-income borrowers"
"Although Fannie Mae actually has exceeded its target since 1994, it is
resisting any hike. It argues that a higher target would only produce more
loan defaults by pressuring banks to accept unsafe borrowers."
http://articles.latimes.com/1999/may/31/news/mn-42807
-Eddie Haskell
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:58:09 -0600, "PC" <...@minneapolis.mn.us
"Eddie Haskell" <...@news.newshosting.com...
Whatever crap you need to believe in order to justify your racist beliefs...
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:29:52 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
"PC" <...@news.eternal-september.org...
Gosh, he doesn't like the truth so he tries to smear me as a racist.
Typical democrat. Only cares about the issue as something he can smear a
republican with, and if you have to lie, so be it. Otherwise you no more
give a shit about it than you do deficit spending.
"Typical white person"
-Hussein
"Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself."
-Hussein
Hussein's associations:
Rev. Wright, whose church Obama attended and supported financially for over
20 years:
"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is
controlled by rich white people."
Rev. Lowery, hand picked by Hussein to deliver the inaugural benediction:
"Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in
the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when
black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around, when
yellow will be mellow, when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white
will embrace what is right."
Sonia Sotomayor, Hussein's pick for the SC:
"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences
would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who
hasn't lived that life."
From Hussein's book:
"White man's greed runs a world in need."
Prof. Gates, anti-white racist who Obama says is a friend of his.
Obama advisor Van Jones:
"Only Suburban White Kids Shoot Up Schools"
"You've never seen a Columbine done by a black child"
"White polluters steered poison into minority communities"
-Eddie Haskell
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:50:23 -0600, "PC" <...@minneapolis.mn.us
"Eddie Haskell" <...@news.newshosting.com...
Please stop whining, racist fuck.
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:10:40 -0600, "Eddie Haskell" <...@eeaeae.com
"PC" <...@news.eternal-september.org...
Ooo.. No, I'm sorry. Wrong answer. The correct answer was that YOU are a
racist for voting for a racist. But not to worry. Johnny, show 'em his
parting gift, will ya?
https://www.chiaobama.com/flare/next
"Typical white person"
-Hussein
"Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself."
-Hussein
Hussein's associations:
Rev. Wright, whose church Obama attended and supported financially for over
20 years:
"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is
controlled by rich white people."
Rev. Lowery, hand picked by Hussein to deliver the inaugural benediction:
"Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in
the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when
black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around, when
yellow will be mellow, when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white
will embrace what is right."
Sonia Sotomayor, Hussein's pick for the SC:
"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences
would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who
hasn't lived that life."
From Hussein's book:
"White man's greed runs a world in need."
Prof. Gates, anti-white racist who Obama says is a friend of his.
Obama advisor Van Jones:
"Only Suburban White Kids Shoot Up Schools"
"You've never seen a Columbine done by a black child"
"White polluters steered poison into minority communities"
-Eddie Haskell
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:00:57 -0500, suds mcduff <...@gmail.com
----The US *isn't* controlled by rich white people? Since when?
----True.....
----True.....
----True....and white ones as well.....
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