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ANOTHER TIMELESS QUESTION ANSWERED .
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:56:32 -0700 (PDT), Bullshit Remover <...@edconrad.com
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First, some background music, Maestro
http://www.nurple.com/sideshow/
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BOTH ATHEISTS, CREATIONISTS HAVE IT WRONG
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.amateur/msg/15b2f408f49e8501
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HOW "COLOMBO" DISCOVERED AMERICA...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/msg/9c350823040c0512
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EXTRATERRESTRIALS SUPERVISED CONSTRUCTION OF PYRAMIDS
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/msg/a113359482eaad9a
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WHY THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA WAS BUILT
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.ed-conrad/msg/484d8f27be250c9e
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< ANOTHER GREAT MYSTERY SOLVED
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Making the rounds of controversial and heated debate once again these
days is honest, sensible discussion to answer the time-honored
question:
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Let's analyze the situation using some good ol' common sense.
UNDENIABLE FACT NO. 1: The chicken *couldn't* have come first because,
adhering to the ground rules, there had to be an egg from which to
hatch the chicken.
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Obviously, if there hadn't been an egg, there could *never* have been
a chicken.
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(Since we all know chickens hatch from eggs. If you have any doubts,
ask any farmer.)
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UNDENIABLE FACT No. 2: The egg couldn't have come first -- before the
chicken -- in this particular scenario because, according to the
ground rules, there had not been a previous chicken to have laid the
egg from which a chicken arrived via the conventional route of having
been hatched from an egg.
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If a chicken, however, *didn't* lay that egg -- not necessarily the
chicken in question but a different chicken (even though the rules say
there was *no* chicken around to lay an egg to make that chicken),
and without an egg there can be no chicken, since even a numbskull is
aware that chickens come from eggs.
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Ditto for the chicken, since there theoretically was no egg hatched
to eventually become a chick, then a chicken -- and it had to become
a hen because everyone knows hens lay chickens and roosters are only
around to wake up people at 5 a.m..
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However, without an egg, logic dictates that there could not have
been a chicken (or, for that matter, an egg), since the egg in our
theoretical question was *still* an egg and had not yet become a
chicken).)
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But let's look at it from *another* less-complicated angle.
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Say there was a chicken that *had* laid an egg that had become a
chicken after hatching from the egg but, the evidence later clearly
indicates that there had been no chicken around to lay any eggs from
which the chiicken had hatched to lay more eggs to hatch many more
eggs to create many more chickens.
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The problem is compounded by the undeniable fact that the chicken in
question, which under normal circumstances would lay some eggs, *did
not* lay the egg that is subject of debate in "Which Came First?
The Chicken or the Egg," since the egg -- at least theoretically --
couldn't have been laid by that chicken (the chicken in question),
unless of course the chicken had been around longer than the egg.
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However -- and here it begins to get a bit complicated -- in this
particular situation, this particular chicken could not have come
first -- *before* the egg -- since chickens come from eggs and the egg
could not have come first, since chickens have to be around to lay
eggs that eventually wind up as chickens who, in turn, lay more eggs
to create more chickens.
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It stands to reason that the chicken could not have become a chicken
if there was no (chicken) egg, and no egg could ever become a chicken
if there hadn't been a chicken around to lay the egg that in turn
would result in a chicken -- whether or not this particular chicken --
would eventually lay more eggs to hatch more chickens.
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The only obvious answer -- other than creation or evolution --- is
that the chicken must've been carrying the egg when it crossed the
road -- the subject of that other brain-twister, "Why Did the Chicken
Cross the Road?" -- meaning that the only reasonable answer to "Which
Came First: The Chicken or the Egg" is that it's a dead heat.
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Both obviously arrived at the first time, either the chicken carrying
the egg or the egg containing the chicken or vice-versa, or versa-VISA
(that is, if either was carrying THAT credit card (NOT Mastercharge).
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The only remaining question, then, is where both the chicken and/or
the egg had come from, which is a bit more complicated than "Which
Came First: The Chicken or the Egg? -- but that, too, will be easily
solved, same as other great mysteries of life, if I have a day or two
to think about it, and after consulting with my good friends Larry
King, Stephen Hawkins and Howard Stern.
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Ed Conrad, Ph.D., I.D.I.O.T.
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:09:02 +0000 (UTC), Eric Walker <...@owlcroft.com
[...]
A chicken is an egg's way of making another egg.
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Cordially,
Eric Walker, Owlcroft House
http://owlcroft.com/english/
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:52:42 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <...@hovnanian.com
The egg came first. The chicken egg, that is.
Something genetically not quite a chicken laid an egg containing a
chicken embryo. That hatches and out pops the first chicken.
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Paul Hovnanian mail...@Hovnanian.com
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When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.
-- Etaoin Shrdlu
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:50:35 +1000, "Peter Jason" <...@jostle.com
"Bullshit Remover" <...@z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Jeezuz! Obiously the egg came first:
1/ A snake laid this here egg.
2/ There was internal mutation within this here egg because
of cosmic rays 'n all. If a butterfly can emerge from a
chrysalis then....
3/ The egg hatched into a chicken, to give the world its
first bird.
Q.E.D. Game over, I win!
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:26:59 +0100, Mike Barnes <...@bluebottle.com
Define "chicken". Define "egg".
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Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:31:36 +1200, "Geopelia" <...@xtra.co.nz
"Mike Barnes" <...@34klh41lk4h1lk34h3lk4h1k4.invalid...
It seems some dinosaurs may have had feathers, to add to the confusion.
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:35:24 +0100, Mike Page <...@ntlworld.com
Is that why the did it?
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Mike Page
Google me at port.ac.uk if you need to send an email.
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:41:14 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer <...@hotmail.com
On Jun 24, 6:35 am, Mike Page <...@ntlworld.com
It depends on which one was more highly sensitive sexually.
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:50:45 +0100, Prai Jei <...@ntlworld.com
Bullshit Remover set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
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If you set your killfiles to recognise and take appropriate action on the
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:31:03 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer <...@hotmail.com
On Jun 26, 3:50 pm, Prai Jei <...@ntlworld.com
No sense avoiding the really big questions, Prai. That's where
Humanity's quantum leaps in knowledge come from.
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:30:04 +0100, HVS <...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk
On 27 Jun 2009, Don Stockbauer wrote
Unless you've got a different nym, Don, I'm not sure why you left AUE
crossposted with this stuff.
Mileages invariably vary [1], but I vote for "please count AUE out".
[1] I'm not sure if that's an oxymoron, or ironic, or solesistic.
Whatever -- works for me.
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Cheers, Harvey
CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:46:26 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer <...@hotmail.com
On Jun 28, 5:30 pm, HVS <...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk
I overlooked that Mike Page had included youse guys in the post I
responded to. (Sentence ends with a proposition). Am very sari.
"Ah shore wuz sad that he done hung hisself. He was tha one what
larned me gud English"
- Rusty, a Texas gentleman
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On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:30:18 +0100, Prai Jei <...@ntlworld.com
Don Stockbauer set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
continuum:
Really big questions we take on. Really silly questions we dismiss.
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:40:23 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer <...@hotmail.com
On Jun 27, 4:30 pm, Prai Jei <...@ntlworld.com
Well, you need something to do.
Lets see your decision pro
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:44:26 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer <...@hotmail.com
On Jun 28, 2:40 pm, Don Stockbauer <...@hotmail.com
cedure to distinguish the two, other than your whims.
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:52:36 +0100, Prai Jei <...@ntlworld.com
Don Stockbauer set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
continuum:
Common sense they call it. I'm familiar with the < posts from other forums,
which *start* from a position which would have us believe that human
remains have been found in gigayear-old coal deposits, and waffle on from
there. It's what computer people call garbage in garbage out.
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:52:23 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer <...@hotmail.com
On Jun 28, 2:44 pm, Don Stockbauer <...@hotmail.com
And then you have the really big silly questions. You'd both take it
on and not take it on. Oooopps! Shades of Hofstadter creeping in.
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:28:11 +0100, Prai Jei <...@ntlworld.com
Don Stockbauer set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
continuum:
The SILLY? meat grinder is applied before the BIG? test. No strange loops or
tangled hierarchies, no self-refs or jumping out of the system, everything
is programmable in BlooP.
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:37:06 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer <...@hotmail.com
On Jun 28, 4:28 pm, Prai Jei <...@ntlworld.com
But strange loops, tangled hierarchies, self-refs and JOOTSing are
what give you the really big jumps in advancement. Constructivism is
nice for slow, steady progress.
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:15:02 +0100, Hairy Monster <...@somewhere.com
Prai Jei spouted forth:
WTF? Whatever that bollocks means its no good trying it on a troll. He'll
just bounce back with more of the same.
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:48:26 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer <...@hotmail.com
On Jun 28, 5:15 pm, Hairy Monster <...@somewhere.com
"ONE MAN'S TROLL IS ANOTHER MAN'S GENERAL SYSTEMS THINKER."
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On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:07:32 +0100, Hairy Monster <...@somewhere.com
Don Stockbauer spouted forth:
See what I mean?
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On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:39:33 -0700 (PDT), Don Stockbauer <...@hotmail.com
On Jun 29, 3:07 pm, Hairy Monster <...@somewhere.com
But you're a troll.
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