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[News] Interview with Torvalds About Linux

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:13:32 +0000, Roy Schestowitz <...@schestowitz.com

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Linus on Linux: The Linus Torvalds Interview Part 1

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| And by the way, I would like to point out that we do try to do better on “our
| side” of the equation too. The whole “stable” vs “development” kernels (2.4.x
| vs 2.5.x) was our fault, and I’ll happily admit that we really made it much
| harder than it should be for people who weren’t core kernel developers to get
| stuck on an irrelevant development branch.
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http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7313/1.html

Recent:

Linus Torvalds – Interview at linux.conf.au 2009

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| 1) Have you given any more thought to changing the version numbering model of
| the kernel?
|
| I'd actually like to change the version numbering because right now the 2.6
| doesn't mean anything at all. Maybe you read the discussion, we had some
| discussion on the kernel mailing list. Just from the discussion my takeaway
| was that right now it's just not worth the pain. So, I think we'll revisit it
| in a year or two, and when we are 2.6.38 or whatever, we'll say “OK, we're
| still 2.6, maybe we should reset the numbering some way”. But nobody really
| came up with very strong arguments for or against any other numbering scheme.
| There were lots of people with different opinions, but there was no
| consensus. So, right now, no. In a couple of years maybe we'll revisit it.
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http://www.abclinuxu.cz/clanky/rozhovory/linus-torvalds?page=1

Interview with Linus Torvalds, creator of Linux

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| DW: What are the most exciting things coming up in the Linux kernel?
|
| LT: The things I personally care about tend to not even be on the radar of
| most people. The changes to the very lowest levels of the suspend and resume
| model are an example of something I look at closely and think are
| interesting. Most other people don't think that kind of thing matters - at
| least as long as we don't break their laptops suspending ;) Of the actual
| stuff that has any visible impact to users, I guess the interesting area is
| that we're getting all these next-generation file systems and they're going
| to battle it out. "ext4 vs Btrfs in the thunderdome."
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http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090202#feature

Linux Gazette: February 2009 (#159)

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|     * Mailbag
|     * Talkback
|     * 2-Cent Tips
|     * News Bytes, by Deividson Luiz Okopnik and Howard Dyckoff
|     * rI18N or The Real Internationalization Project, by Anonymous
|     * Installing VMWare Server 2 on Ubuntu Server 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex), by
|       Deividson Luiz Okopnik
|     * Away Mission: 2008 in Review - part 1, by Howard Dyckoff
|     * Hyperestraier Redux - A User-friendly Approach, by Ben Okopnik
|       Automating Hyperestraier's indexing and web interface configuration
|     * Using The Red Hat Rescue Environment, by Joey Prestia
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http://linuxgazette.net/159/index.html

The world according to Linus

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| He doesn't own a mobile phone and he is proud of it. And he thinks
| virtualization is over-hyped. Find out what else we prize from Linux guru,
| Linus Torvalds.
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http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;444282619

Related:

Linux set for more handsets in 2008-Torvalds

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| But last month Web search leader Google said it would offer a software
| platform, built on Linux, to make the Internet work as smoothly on mobile
| phones as it does on computers.
|
| "I haven't been personally involved but it certainly looks like 2008 may be,
| thanks to the Google Alliance, one of the years you will find more widely
| available phones with Linux," Torvalds told Reuters in an interview on
| Friday.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/technology-media-telco-SP/idUSL1478887720071214

Linus Torvalds on Open Source: 'A Much Better Way to Do Things'

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| Linux really wouldn't have gone anywhere interesting at all if it hadn't been
| released as an open source product. I also think that the change to the GPLv2
| from my original "no money" license was important, because the commercial
| interests were actually very important from the beginning. The commercial
| distributions were what drove a lot of the nice installers and pushed people
| to improve usability. You need a balance between pure technology and the
| kinds of pressures you get from users through the market.
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http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/60052.html

The Grill: Linus Torvalds in the Hot Seat

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| The Finnish creator of Linux says open-source software isn't really an
| anti-Microsoft movement; it's just a better model for getting the job done.
|
| [...]
|
| Microsoft and Novell last year announced a partnership for the
| interoperability of Windows and SUSE Linux. Some analysts are saying this
| kind of agreement is positive for consumers and can help popularize Linux. Do
| you agree? [Linus:] I don’t know. I don’t actually think the Novell-Microsoft
| agreement matters all that much in the end, but I think it would be healthier
| for everybody if there wasn’t the kind of rabid hatred on both sides. I’d
| rather just worry about the technology. The market will take care of itself.
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http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonom yId=89&articleId=303905&intsrc=hm_topic

Interview with Dr Andrew S Tanenbaum

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| Andrew S Tanenbaum: A couple of years ago this guy called Ken Brown
| wrote a book saying that Linus stole Linux from me, from Minix,
| and therefore the intellectual property rights are unclear and
| therefore companies shouldn't use Linux because I might sue them.
|
| It later came out that Microsoft had paid him to do this --
| and I defended Linus. I wrote on my Web site saying that this
| guy Brown came through, visited me and I gave him the
| [correct] story.
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http://www.builderau.com.au/strategy/architecture/soa/Interview_with_Dr_Andrew_ S_Tanenbaum/0,339028264,339273224,00.htm
http://tinyurl.com/3c78xz

Linus Torvalds talks future of Linux

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| LT: We really don't expect to need to go to a 3.0.x version at all: we've
| been very good at introducing even pretty big new features without impacting
| the code-base in a disruptive manner, and without breaking any old
| functionality.
|
| That, together with the aforementioned lack of a marketing department that
| says "You have to increase the version number to show how good you are!" just
| means that we tend to just improve everything we can, but you're not likely
| to see a big "Get the new-and-improved version 3!" campaign.
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http://apcmag.com/7012/linus_torvalds_talks_about

Torvalds attacks Microsoft over open source

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| Microsoft is spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt among open source users,
| Linus Torvalds said in an interview published last week.
|
| [...]
|
| Microsoft could offer no response to Torvalds' comments at the time of
| writing.
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http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62030790,00.htm

Torvalds on Linux, MS, software's future

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| CW: Didn't you fear you would lose intellectual property when you released
| Linux?
|
| Torvalds: I didn't think in those terms (and still don't). It was never about
| intellectual property, it was about all the effort I had put in, and it was
| about the project being something personal. But yes, I was a bit worried that
| as a totally unknown developer in Finland, somebody would decide to just
| ignore my license, and just use my code and not give back his changes. So it
| worried me a bit. On the other hand, what did I really have to lose?
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http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2007/080907-torvalds-on-linux-ms-softwares.html

Interview with Linus Torvalds

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| We can’t start without a question: does Linux infinge Microsoft patents?
|
|     As far as we know, the answer is a resounding “no”, and it’s all
|     just MS trying to counter-act the fact that they have problems
|     competing with Linux on a technical side by trying to spread FUD.
|
| [....]
|
| What do you think about Novell and Microsoft’s agreement? Which future
| developments will produce? And what about Red Hat’s events?
|
|     I really don’t care. You’re asking all these marketing and
|     company questions, and the thing is, I’m not at all into it. I’m
|     totally uninterested. What I’m into is the technology, and working
|     together with people.
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http://www.oneopensource.it/interview-linus-torvalds/
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:20:04 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <...@launchmodem.com

After takin' a swig o' grog, Roy Schestowitz belched out
this bit o' wisdom:

The discussion of SSD's is very interesting!

Also this aside:

And that one has been x86-based for the last few years (basically since
I decided that there was no long-term desktop survival for PowerPC -
when Apple switched away it became clear that the only thing that
could possibly challenge x86 on the all-important desktop was ARM).

. . .

I'm going to be very interested to see if I'll grow an ARM
machine this year or the next, but it will require it to be a good
netbook platform, and while the potential is there, it's never quite
happened yet.

--
Q: How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Two, one to hold the giraffe, and the other to fill the bathtub
with brightly colored machine tools.
[Surrealist jokes just aren't my cup of fur. Ed.]

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:54:16 -0500, Matt <...@themattfella.xxxyyz.com

same link:
(((((

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:30:32 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <...@launchmodem.com

After takin' a swig o' grog, Matt belched out
this bit o' wisdom:

Linus is talking about himself there.

--
Q: Why did the programmer call his mother long distance?
A: Because that was her name.

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:06:21 -0500, Matt <...@themattfella.xxxyyz.com

Not convinced he is telling the truth, though. A frequent accusation
against the Linux Foundation is that they are not concerned with the
desktop, that they are mainly concerned with Carrier Grade Linux

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:53:38 -0700 (PDT), cc <...@hotmail.com

On Apr 23, 10:06 pm, Matt <...@themattfella.xxxyyz.com
It helps having someone of his stature saying it though.

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:32:37 -0600, GreyCloud <...@mist.com

Say Chris, have you ever had any luck using xmkmf and then make on third
party software source?
I've tried to get a very simple program to compile thru make after xmkmf
on three different oses.
Each stopped at MSimpleProgramTarget(progname) complaining about missing
separator.
This is inside the Makefile and the Imakefile has it there as well. The
references on line say
that a missing tab character is the fault... but if I tab the line at
fault, a new error comes up on that
same line. This does it in os x, Solaris and Linux.

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:18:10 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <...@launchmodem.com

After takin' a swig o' grog, GreyCloud belched out
this bit o' wisdom:

Never tried that setup, and though its a "virtual" package in Debian, I
can't find that executable, and it seems to be pretty old (1998).

What are you trying to build?

--
O, it is excellent
To have a giant's strength; but it is tyrannous
To use it like a giant.
-- Shakespeare, "Measure for Measure", II, 2

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:21:19 -0600, GreyCloud <...@mist.com

I decided to purchase the book on CDE/Motif by Antonio N. Mione that
came with a disk.
Their instructions say to use xmkmf then imake then make. But xmkmf
runs imake automatically now.
I checked the Imake.rules for OS X and Solaris and found that there
isn't MSimpleProgramTarget(),
but does show SimpleProgramTarget(). So I used that and make still
fails. All it did was put the program
name on its own line and that isn't kosher with make. So I'm beginning
to wonder if the changes that
were made are consistent across the board when using Motif libs. There
are other items as well in the old
Imakefiles that now cough up errors. I may have to write to OpenMotif
org and find out what gives.
However, I can just do cc -o progname progname.c -lXt -lXm -lX11 and get
the program built.
However, only solaris built ones work while the os x and linux ones
produce a core file. It looks like I'll
have to lay the blame on OpenMotif org on providing bum builds of their
libraries. The sun libs were already
provided. Which leads to the question does one have to have the CDE
window manager running to prevent
core files from being generated?

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:37:03 +0200, Hadron <...@gmail.com

GreyCloud <...@mist.com

Why? Motif is yuck.

Books are out of date within 2 seconds with OSS generally as things
develop or get improved.

I would suggest a real programming group. But why you're bothering with
that mess I don't know.

--
In view of all the deadly computer viruses that have been spreading
lately, Weekend Update would like to remind you: when you link up to
another computer, you’re linking up to every computer that that
computer has ever linked up to. — Dennis Miller

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:25:02 -0600, GreyCloud <...@mist.com

Well, Microsoft had a big hand in its development in the early days.
And CDE/Motif
in the UNIX arena is still found in many high-end professional uses in
industry.
It isn't going away any time soon. The main loop that drives events is
pretty much
the same loop in windows, so they aren't that much different.

Well, this is for UNIX systems.

I thought maybe Chris knew about it. A long time ago he did some Xlib
programming.
I already emailed the XopenMotif group on this topic. Also, from
further digging, is that
the Imake.rules files have changed some over the years. I can see why
they did things
the way they did with xmkmf to generate a Makefile. Microsoft is in its
own, so they've easily
short cut the process due to only having to support the Intel platform
and their os vs. the many
different platforms and variances to UNIX oses. Which why you'll find
the source more often than
you'll find the binaries.

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:08:09 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <...@launchmodem.com

After takin' a swig o' grog, GreyCloud belched out
this bit o' wisdom:

I haven't done much GUI programming, even on Windows, in the last few years.
All console stuff or servers. I tinkered with GTK/Glade programming a
little bit on Linux.

I don't know how deeply Solaris supports GTK/Gnome or KDE, but that's the
level you probably want for a GUI, and you can then theme your GUI to look
like CDE if you want.

What I would do if I were you is find a project that looks like what you
want, on the platform you want, download the tarball, and use that project
as the starting point for your own project.

That's essentially how I learned GNU autoconf/automake tools. Not a bad
way, even though you can find very different solutions to the same problems
in different projects, some solutions better than others.

Pick a project you like, and learn how it does things.

--
When you are about to die, a wombat is better than no company at all.
-- Roger Zelazny, "Doorways in the Sand"