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Anonymous Wrote:
On Nov 1, 8:09 pm, "Carole" <...@iimetro.com.au
Warburg received a Nobel Prize in the 1930s for his understanding of
"cellular respiration." He proved that cells deprived of oxygen and
placed in an acidic environment would turn into cancer cells. He also
showed that these same cancer cells when detoxed, placed in an
alkaline evironment, and provided adequate oxygen, converted back into
normal healthy cells.
More recently an Italian oncologist has been successfully treating
cancerous tumors with, of all things, sodium bicarbonate. It seens
the tumors are made up of some kind of fungs which needs an acid
environment to grow.
Fits in rather nicely, doesn't it?
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus and poisons.
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:02:40 GMT, "Carole" <...@iimetro.com.au
<...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 1, 8:09 pm, "Carole" <...@iimetro.com.au
Thanks for that informtion DrC.
carole
http://www.cellsalts.net
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On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:38:34 -0700 (PDT), marcia <...@gmail.com
On Nov 1, 11:10 pm, Peter Bowditch <...@ratbags.com
A whole thread about acid and no one mentions Tums?
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On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:17:11 -0800 (PST), marcia <...@gmail.com
On Nov 2, 4:39 am, Peter Bowditch <...@ratbags.com
I thought that was Mentos and Coke?
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:51:52 GMT, "Carole" <...@iimetro.com.au
<...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 1, 8:09 pm, "Carole" <...@iimetro.com.au
http://hopeforcancer.com/Warburg.htm
Otto Heinrich Warburg
Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1931
"Otto Warburg was awarded the Nobel Prize for his research into cellular
respiration. ... He could cause or cure cancer by changing the respiration
(oxygen carrying ability of the fluid). The method achieving that: using
acid or alkaline solutions to force out / force in oxygen in solution."
Interesting.
carole
http://www.cellsalts.net
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:34:26 +0100, Martin <...@spam.com
On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:51:52 GMT, "Carole" <...@iimetro.com.auwrote:
Yes, it's interesting, in a morbid kind of way, to see what nonsense
people are capable of making up.
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:40:06 GMT, "Carole" <...@iimetro.com.au
"Martin" <...@4ax.com...
Go and wash your mouth out Martin.
Your solution for all health problems is soap and water, so start where it
counts.
carole
http://www.cellsalts.net
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:34:23 GMT, "Carole" <...@iimetro.com.au
"Peter Bowditch" <...@4ax.com...
Maybe he did, but not in so many words.
Can you tell me in layman's terms, what his lecture was about?
carole
http://www.cellsalts.net
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On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:50:59 +1000, "Peter Moran" <...@internode.on.net
"Carole" <...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Well, it is an account of the very preliminary nature of the understanding
of cellular respiration (energy metabolism) in those days --little more than
describing isolated observations and their very early interpretation. It
does not mention cancer or his (later?) discovery that cancer cells could
survive some degree of oxygen deprivation by metabolising lactic acid.
But cancer cells also do very well in the presence of oxygen.
Peter Moran
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 08:15:57 GMT, "Carole" <...@iimetro.com.au
"Peter Moran" <...@news.astraweb.com...
But I think the theory is that due to too much acidity within the cell
itself, the cell loses its ability to absorb oxygen and mutates into a form
where it relies on fermentation without oxygen to nourish itself.
So the actual oxygen might be there, around the cell, but not within the
cell itself -- that's my understanding.
carole
http://www.cellsalts.net
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:38:04 GMT, Peter Bowditch <...@ratbags.com
"Peter Moran" <...@internode.on.net
I think that because the word "respiration" is used, alternuts leap to
the conclusion that it must be about breathing and exposing cells to
air with its oxygen component.
Someone once told me that cancer could not occur in the presence of
oxygen. When I asked if this was the reason that cancer never occurs
on the skin or in the lungs they started talking about something else.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:44:14 GMT, "Carole" <...@iimetro.com.au
"Peter Bowditch" <...@4ax.com...
Well no, you've got it a bit confused there Peter.
Cancer on the skin or in the lungs still follows the same rules as any sort
of cancer. The cells are nourished directly by the blood, they don't take
their oxygen from the air. So its the same as any other cancer that is
nourished by the blood supply ie all cancers are in the same situation.
"In his [Otto Warburg] The Metabolism of Tumours he demonstrated that all
forms of cancer are characterized by two basic conditions: acidosis and
hypoxia (lack of oxygen). Lack of oxygen and acidosis are two sides of the
same coin: where you have one, you have the other."
Two sides of the one coin -- ie acidosis and lack of oxygen.
carole
http://www.cellsalts.net
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:46:02 +0100, Martin <...@spam.com
On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:44:14 GMT, "Carole" <...@iimetro.com.auwrote:
Carole, please look up the function of the lungs, and how they work.
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:49:37 GMT, "Carole" <...@iimetro.com.au
"Martin" <...@4ax.com...
Yes martin, the lungs take in air and distribute it to the blood and from
the blood to the blood cells.
However, any cancer in the lungs is a cancer in the lung tissue, and
therefore nourished by the bloodstream.
Surely, you don't think that lung tissue gets its oxygen straight from the
air?
carole
http://www.cellsalts.net
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:01:12 -0700, "D. C. Sessions" <...@lumbercartel.com
Like all cells, lung tissues get their oxygen by diffusion from regions
with higher partial pressure; oxygen diffuses from regions of higher
partial pressure to those with lower partial pressure -- just like
every other substance in the Universe does. Second law of thermodynamics,
and all that.
The partial pressure of oxygen in the air of the lungs is higher than that
in the blood, and the alveolar tissues (being between them) is intermediate.
So contrary to Carole's rather curious interpretation, oxygen diffuses from
the air into the alveolar tissues and thence to the blood, where it is
dissolved in the plasma and taken up by the erythrocytes.
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+- D. C. Sessions <...@lumbercartel.com> -+
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:52:01 GMT, "Carole" <...@iimetro.com.au
"Carole" <...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
http://www.jklcompany.com/061004.html
NEUTRALIZE ACID
There are three primary minerals that lessen body acidity ... (1)
orgnaic potassium, (2) organic sodium and, (3) organic calcium. When we run
short of these minerals, our digestion is impaired as is the spleen, liver
and pancreas. The immunity system is weakened and we develop gallstones. The
bones and joints go on to develop arthritis and osteoporosis and many other
problems. An overacid body is the beginning of virtually all chronic
diseases.
The body will do what it must to maintain life --- therefore it will do what
is necessaty to keep the blood at a pH of 7.2 --- it will rob bones, teeth
and organs of alkalyzing minerals - thus leaving them weak and in jeopardy
of becoming diseased.
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Anonymous Wrote:
In article <...@news-server.bigpond.net.au
: There are three primary minerals that lessen body acidity ... (1)
: orgnaic potassium, (2) organic sodium and, (3) organic calcium.
How exactly does one go about obtaining "organic" minerals? This is actually
more or less where I came in, as the saying goes. It's true that all
three metals will raise the pH of any water into which they are put, but
I sure wouldn't want to ingest any myself. . .
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Richard Schultz schu...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:52:30 -0800, RF <...@NoDen.con
There was an article in an L.E.F. mag recently
about Vitamin K2.
Apparently there is a correlation between higher
levels of K2 in the
body and deposition of calcium in the bones and
another one between
low levels of K2 and deposition of the calcium in
the arteries.
So, Ph may have nothing to do with where the
calcium is deposited.
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