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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:14:50 +1300, EMB <...@gmail.com
As usual you're just convincing those of us who can *choose* to use
Linux not to make that choice.
It suits us to use one backup product throughout the datacenter, with
one central server running the backup tasks and writing the data to one
tape robot. It also suits us to be able to shut the auditors up by
saying "We have the <insert name of choice hererecovery product deployed across all the servers".
It suits us not to have to justify ourselves to some member of
manglement who has read some piece of FUD put about by trolling linux
sealots like yourself. Given that the FUD never stops, we find it
easier to just ignore linux as a platform. For example we have just
migrated a database from MySQL/Linux to MSSQL/Windows. Sure, the
licensing has cost a bit, but the reduction in external bullshit we have
to put with more than justifies the expense.
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:26:17 +0000 (UTC), BigglesZz <...@nowhere.co.co.nz
<snip of larrys troll bait
Is that trend of moving to microsoft solutions fairly wide spread here in
NZ emb ?
Biggles..
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:12:37 -0800 (PST), thingy <...@gmail.com
On Nov 6, 2:26 am, BigglesZz <...@nowhere.co.co.nz
I wouldnt think so....our trend is (slightly) to Linux....on Vmware
ESXi in fact just about everyting goes on ESX (240 guests and
counting)...we'd do more but lack the Linux staff..
Ive used mysql and like it, but I have MS SQL for the virtual control
centre(s) and SQL is pretty easy to do...however we pay peanuts for a
MS SQL licence, a few hundred $ per CPU...which nakes the cost uplift
from Mysql negligable.
The area to watch is how Govn (if it does) moves to OSS now MS's
overall licence is no more....
regards
Thing
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:28:55 +1300, "geoff" <...@nospam-paf.co.nz
"Moving to" ?
geoff
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:14:09 -0800 (PST), JohnO <...@gmail.com
On Nov 5, 6:14 pm, EMB <...@gmail.com
One of my clients is moving off MS and SQLServer to IBM iSeries and
DB2-400! That's my two biggest customers now on that platform now. So
I'm swimming against the tide a bit having moved from mainly *nix to
mainly MS to mainly iSeries (but they all run windows clients). 10
years ago if you asked me if I would be using a 5250 green screen on
an IBM mid range box I would have laughed out loud.
But the really surprising thing is the cost savings these customers
are achieving by switching to these gold plated 400kg servers. I'm
always urging other suitable clients to consider this move.
Hoodathunkit?
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:37:41 +1300, EMB <...@gmail.com
I've got a couple of clients who had done similar things although their
move has been to Sun/Oracle. The catalyst for making the move has been
performance improvement but the associated cost savings are a
significant bonus.
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:06:15 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand
In message <...@aioe.org
I’m not here to convince anybody.
Ahh, now we’re getting to the real reason for buying such a useless product:
it’s because a bunch of PHBs further up in the pecking order than you have
been preconditioned with kneejerk brand-recognition reflexes that you have
to pander to in order to maintain your job security.
It’s all about big corporations selling to other big corporations. People
seem to think big corporations are really important in the world, but in
fact they only account for a minority of world GDP. The backbone of the
world economy is small businesses, not big ones.
The only thing big businesses account for a majority of is business news
headlines. It’s all a big corpora-wank, really.
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:41:36 +1300, EMB <...@gmail.com
ROTFL - why else do you spend vast amounts of time and energy
proclaiming linux to be superior to all else?
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:50:59 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand
In message <...@aioe.org
I could ask the same sort of thing of you.
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:34:50 +1300, Enkidu <...@com.cliffp.com
What do you mean?
Cheers,
Cliff
--
The Internet is interesting in that although the nicknames may change,
the same old personalities show through.
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:39:38 +1300, EMB <...@gmail.com
The auditors understand and *like* MS environments and seem somewhat
allergic to linux. They also like seeing one backup solution applied
across the enterprise. I don't necessarily agree, but if it means I
have a quiet life an everything runs smoothly I'm unlikely to rock the boat.
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:51:42 +1300, Enkidu <...@com.cliffp.com
If you are going to have to backup your Windows machines with
proprietary software and the software also supports Unix/Linux then it
does make sense to do it with one solution across the board.
Actually, I meant about the migration from MySQL/Linux to Windows. Is
the reason the same?
Cheers,
Cliff
--
The Internet is interesting in that although the nicknames may change,
the same old personalities show through.
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:57:33 +1300, EMB <...@gmail.com
There were lots of reasons which all combined to make it the logical
choice. We have a better Win/MSSQL skill base, it fits in with an
existing cluster to give a failover option, it shuts the auditors up,
and it gives management a nice warm secure feeling.
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:23:53 +1300, Enkidu <...@com.cliffp.com
Ah, so it doesn't do anything better. I've found that of the three,
MySQL, PostgreSQL, and MSSQL, the best one for actually getting things
done is PostgreSQL, but it is let down by its replication (which IS
getting better) and the ridiculously long time it takes to restore
anything of any size. It's such a chore setting stuff up in MSSQL server
(we have only recently got some expertise in that area) and MySQL
doesn't fill me with confidence for a number of reasons.
Cheers,
Cliff
--
The Internet is interesting in that although the nicknames may change,
the same old personalities show through.
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:36:51 +1300, EMB <...@gmail.com
PostgreSQL I have no experience of, but I have reasonable experience
with MSSQL and mySQL and some Oracle experience. After playing with
Oracle MSSQL doesn't seem too bad.
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:51:48 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand
In message <...@aioe.org
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:54:25 +1300, Enkidu <...@com.cliffp.com
No one. In my experience, no one questions the auditors, except on
relatively trivial things. You certainly can't suggest that the auditors
have made a balls up.
Cheers,
Cliff
--
The Internet is interesting in that although the nicknames may change,
the same old personalities show through.
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:56:35 +1300, Enkidu <...@com.cliffp.com
And off we go to Lennierland. Check in your brains and your hold on
reality at the gate.
Cheers,
Cliff
--
The Internet is interesting in that although the nicknames may change,
the same old personalities show through.
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:58:15 +1300, EMB <...@gmail.com
You beat me to it Cliff.
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:05:40 +1300, EMB <...@gmail.com
The cost difference is minimal in the overall IS budget.
You've obviously never worked in a large corporate with external auditors.
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:33:57 +1300, EMB <...@gmail.com
Or possibly that the cost of getting a linux solution externally
certified and supported (vis a vis updates and security patches) to a
realistic level is not zero, therefore the cost difference is small. Or
more likely the reality is somewhere between the two.
You're lucky. Auditors are always a pain in the arse and usually
waaaayyyy out of their depth. I'm currently working my way through an
external IS audit report on one of my small clients. It raises 22
"significant issues" - of the 12 I have looked into so far only 1
appears to actually be an issue and it certainly isn't significant.
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:09:45 +1300, EMB <...@gmail.com
The most major issue I've seen as a result of a visit from the auditors
was a colleague microwaving an auditor's laptop. :-)
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