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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:38:24 -0700 (PDT), "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni." <...@hotmail.com
On Apr 20, 7:42 pm, asfpor <...@reece.net.au
If you feel that listening to John Madden made you smarter, I take
pity on you.
He was entertaining.
Smart? If you're challenged.
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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:43:53 -0230, clouddreamer <...@nd.Reduce.now
Madden made us smarter.
Chris Collinsworth will make us retch.
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We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us.
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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:21:01 -0400, "Mason Barge" <...@comcast.net
"asfpor" <...@reece.net.au...
Well . . . I agree. He completely changed the "level of play" in the world
of football commentary. I was amazed when he first started, that a
broadcaster would have, and share, so much knowledge of the game.
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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:47:34 GMT, "dave" <...@fish.net
"asfpor" <...@reece.net.au...
Hypy nonsense from a once respectable news source. Actually when John Madden
first started commentating many decades ago, he often was very informative.
He would point out fine points of a play, such as: a key block, a missed
tackle, or a player not doing what he was supposed to (as opposed to the
Howard Cosell technique, which was one bullshit remark after another).
After a few years, Madden become less informative, but still was better than
most of the other analysts.
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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:56:42 -0700 (PDT), "ske...@aol.com" <...@aol.com
On Apr 21, 1:47 pm, "dave" <...@fish.net
The endless hours of watching his double chin wobble as he blabbered,
"Bam! Boom! What a hit, that was a Raider hit."
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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:11:05 -0700 (PDT), Goro <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 21, 1:47 pm, "dave" <...@fish.net
One of the most amazing things about John Madden (pre-senility) was
that he ALWAYS seemed to know what the penalty was before the ref
announced it. Other guys guess or say, "The flag is in the area of
holding..." but John Madden would just start off on how the LT came
late and didn't move his feet and so the blitzing OLB managed to ...
and so on. Back in the day, he and Pat Summerall DID make you
"football"-smarter.
-goro-
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Apr 20, 7:42 pm, asfpor <...@reece.net.au
He says Madden paved the way for the "SportsCenter approach" and the
likes of Tim McCarver, like it's a good thing.
No mention is made of the Madden video games, but I think they had as
much impact, and may have done even more to educate people about the
game than his broadcasting did.
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:54:02 -0700 (PDT), "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni." <...@hotmail.com
The event that educates you more about the game isn't playing a video
game or listening to a sportscaster.
It's playing it. All the games you played as a kid and maybe even
through college.
It's a complicated game. It's why, even with the games and the
sportscasters and all that, other countries don't understand it.
Because they never played it.
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Apr 22, 12:54 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
<...@hotmail.com
Most of Madden's audience never played organized football, and only a
tiny percentage ever made it as far as college ball. We all played in
the backyard, but that teaches us about the pro game about as much as
driving to work teaches us about the Indy 500.
Earlier video games more closely resembled backyard games, with very
limited playcalling and fewer than 11 players per side. That was
mostly due to limitations in the technology of the time, but it
probably also had to do with the games being designed by people who
never played at a high level.
Madden brought NFL terminology and NFL-style playbooks to the video
game world - stuff you're not going to learn about by playing, unless
you're playing in the NFL.
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:17:32 -0400, "Mason Barge" <...@comcast.net
<...@s16g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
I don't know exactly what you mean by "most"; I'm guessing a fairly decent
number of regular watchers played football in high school. There are (or
used to be) a lot of small high schools, and the guys who played would
logically be the ones most interested in watching NFL football games.
And plus there are sports fans who never played football to the point of
learning intricate plays, but are still students of the game and are hungry
to be educated on points of play. I mean, I never pitched a baseball game
in my life, but I love to hear Don Sutton or other experts describe exactly
what's going on with a pitcher -- the mechanics of delivery, spin,
psychology, etc.
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:47:28 -0500, "Nunya Bidnits" <...@swbell.com
In news...@giganews.com,
Mason Barge <...@comcast.net
The jocks and coaches at my middle and high schools were dickheads but some
of us still liked to play, so we would just throw together scratch games in
some big yard or park with whoever we could get to fill however many
positions we could fill and go at it... sometimes tackle, sometimes touch.
You don't learn much strategy and there are no complicated plays, but you do
learn simple stuff like how to take advantage of the size of some big moose
and cut around him towards the QB, how to fake a recieving a handoff, get
between a reciever and his QB, pick the right angle to cut a guy off on the
sidelines, stuff like that. I guess you could call it "disorganized
football."
Madden had a way of explaining things that I could relate to on that level.
MartyB in KC
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Apr 22, 1:17 pm, "Mason Barge" <...@comcast.net
By "most" I mean a majority. Maybe I should have qualified it with a
"my guess is", but nowhere near half the people I know played
organized football. And, it's not like I'm running around with the
artsy crowd; most everybody played organized sports, but more played
baseball or soccer or basketball than played football. It doesn't
keep anybody from watching it.
There are also plenty of people watching football just to be
entertained, who aren't there for a lecture and don't particularly
care what the free safety's responsibilities are in a cover 2
defense. That's part of why I think Madden has had more impact as a
"teacher" through the video games than through his broadcasts.
Anybody who wants to succeed at the video game needs to learn basic
pro football strategy.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:28:07 -0700 (PDT), "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni." <...@hotmail.com
It doesn't have to be organized.
Every boy in my grammar school played football at recess. Everyone.
Even that long ago experience teaches one way more about the game than
listening to any sportscaster.
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Apr 23, 1:28 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
<...@hotmail.com
Sure, I played two-hand touch on the playground in third grade, what
could I possibly learn from a Super Bowl-winning head coach?
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:55:10 -0700 (PDT), "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni." <...@hotmail.com
Doing, even on that level, is a better teacher than being told about
doing.
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