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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:46:02 -0400, Dave Smith <...@sympatico.ca
I think that the whole list if a crock. Non stick frying pans are handy
for some things, but I would suggest that the cast iron pan was probably
a more significant cooking item than non stick.
Air conditioning?? What the hell does that have to to with cooking?
I so use times. AAMOF, I bought my wife a quadruple timer from Lee
Valley because she had a habit of turning off the oven to reset the
timer for multiple dishes. Timers are handly but hardly a significant
factor.
The chimney starter is a handy gimmick, but it's not as if there was no
other way to light charcoal.
Plastic wrap is handy, but a vacuum sealer???? I use mine but I survived
just fine without one for years.
WTF does a dishwasher have to do with cooking? That's another appliance
I lived without for a long time and one that I don't often use myself,
finding it faster and easier to wash dishes by hand.
Microwave?????? I rarely use mine. It is handy for reheating leftovers
and for heating up frozen prepared foods, which in my mind, might almost
qualify it for a detriment to culinary development.
I might consider food processors to be an even better appliance than a
blender, since an FP can do a lot of jobs that a blender cannot.
Slow cooker? I don't have one and have never had anything cooked in one
that could not have been cooked on the stove top or in the oven.
The microplane is pretty handy, but there were lots of zesters and
grated around before someone adopted a body shop tool for the kitchen.
I am sure that Weber fans might disagree, but I have to wonder why they
mention the gas grill and the Weber grill. They are both basically BBQ
grills. While I use my gas grill as long as it is warm and well lit on
the patio, most BBQs tend to be relegated to putting the guy who can't
cook in charge of cooking the meat.
As for the silpat.... I haev to plead ignorance. I have heard of them
and seen them used on cooking shows. While one of my favourite celebrity
cooks seems to like it, she says you can use parchment paper.
Accordingly, parchment paper would be the one that changed cooking, not
the silpat.
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:11:39 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" <...@gte.net
"Mark Thorson" <...@sonic.net...
Yeah, really. I rather think the knife was a big deal. And fire, hard to
cook without fire. Although that really isn't an invention I suppose.
Paul
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 04:44:00 -0500, Andy <...@b.c
Mark Thorson said...
They forgot
Mandolines
George Forman Grill
Toasters
Refrigerators, from another poster, In England, they kept kegs of beer
underground as a method to keep it cool. I remember in Oxford, at a hotel I
had a rum 'n' coke but had to BEG for ice cubes. They were seriously
stingy. A breakfast thing??? <VBG
Best,
Andy
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:36:58 -0600, Gloria P <...@comcast.net
I wouldn't call it bogus, but I wouldn't call any of the items they
mention "revolutionary" either. I'd call them conveniences that we
could live without but most of us have succumbed to many of them.
gloria p
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:02:40 -0700 (PDT), maxine <...@gmail.com
On Mar 15, 6:36 pm, Gloria P <...@comcast.net
They definitely have an odd way of describing revolutionary. The
fridge for sure. Machines that chop and puree, easy on the cook.
Dish washer, plastic wrap, vacuum sealer, crockpot, mechanical timer,
television, microwave and the Internet, convenience.
Silpat, AC, overnight delivery, microplane, Tupperware (the brand),
grills and gas grills, chimney starter, non-stick cookware: I get
along nicely without thankyouverymuch
Summer if I'm going to bake or use the oven, I start early in the
morning, and use a fan to get rid of the excess heat after I'm done.
More usual, tho, is to simply plan menus that don't require the oven.
Simple enough.
maxine in ri
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:13:19 -0400, George <...@pitt.edu
About the only one that I see there is I would call a true step in the
evolution of cooking is the refrigerator...
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:35:13 -0700, sf <...@geemail.com
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:02:08 -0800, Mark Thorson <...@sonic.netwrote:
I haven't either, but I've visited other parts of the country/world
when I was grateful to have one.
Oh, I need a timer just to boil water. I tend to wander off, do
something else and forget I've got something boiling on the stove -
it's not an age thing either, it's something I've done all my life.
Maybe it's one of those Manhattan conversation starters. That list is
stretching it for me too. I don't use a chimney, a vacuum sealer,
silpat, a microplane, a crockpot, and I don't use my microwave to
cook... but others on this ng do.
--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.
Mae West
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:04:46 -0700 (PDT), bulka <...@gmail.com
Yes, mostly bogus and convenience, but you do have to admit that a
fridge is pretty useful. Hard to imagine what it would have been like
to keep a kitchen a hundred years ago without one.
And to the chimney haters - I don't do much grilling, but hate the
smell of lighter fluid, either applied by me or in those quick-start
briquettes. Made my chimney starter from a coffee can. Works great.
B
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:38:25 -0800, Mark Thorson <...@sonic.net
Quick-start briquettes do impart a horrible flavor,
but handled properly liquid starter gets completely
burnt off. As long as areas touched by the fluid
get really hot, it all gets baked off or burnt.
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:19:37 -0400, "jmcquown" <...@comcast.net
"sf" <...@4ax.com...
Try living in Bangkok for a couple of years. You'll learn to appreciate an
air conditioner. :)
Jill
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:27:37 -0500, Melba's Jammin' <...@earthlink.net
In article <...@sonic.net Mark Thorson <...@sonic.net
I got it by clicking "Next, " Mark. :-) I had no 1 to replace with 2
in the URL.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller
"What you say about someone else says more
about you than it does about the other person."
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:26:54 -0400, "jmcquown" <...@comcast.net
"Mark Thorson" <...@sonic.net...
Number 12. I never thought a computer is necessary in the kitchen. I'm old
school: cookbook or recipe card :)
Jill
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:43:41 -0600, Christine Dabney <...@ix.netcom.com
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:26:54 -0400, "jmcquown" <...@comcast.netwrote:
Maybe not in the kitchen, but think of this. We wouldn't have Usenet
without a computer, or sites like Epicurious, or the proliferation of
food blogs that come on the scene.
And we wouldn't have chat.....
See? You don't think that isn't revolutionary?
Christine
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http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:59:44 -0400, "jmcquown" <...@comcast.net
"Christine Dabney" <...@4ax.com...
Of course computers are revolutionary. But not as it relates to cooking.
You travel with a ton of cookbooks so you really can't say you require a
computer to cook ;)
Jill
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:21:25 GMT, "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
I cooked for many more years before I had a computer. And I haven't learned
much new about cooking from the net, really nothing I implement because most
of what I've learned about cooking on line is that the majority can't
cook... before usenet I honestly never realized the percentage of kitchen
dummies is so high. Far fewer people today cook, they are far more adept at
typing a dish.
.
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Anonymous Wrote:
Mark Thorson <...@sonic.net
I'm surprised that you would use a chemical laden
starter fluid as opposed to a couple pieces of
newspaper. Seems out of character for you. The
capability a chimney starter provides is easy and
cheap starting. Most folks have some old newspaper
on hand, and you don't have to buy fluid.
I remember learning to make the chimney starters from
old 3 lb coffee cans back when I was in Boy Scouts
about 40 years ago.
Not that I'd call them a revolutionary advance in
cooking. Fire, now that was a revolutionary advance,
maybe matches, but still the chimney starters are
pretty handy and easy to improvise in a pinch.
Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 04:47:09 GMT, Wayne Boatwright <...@arizona.usa.com
On Sun 15 Mar 2009 04:02:08p, Mark Thorson told us...
Personally, I would hardly call many, if any, of these choices
"revolutionary", but some certainly added convenience to the
kitchen/cooking environment.
1. Non-stick coating... In general, if you have decent cookware, non-
stick coatings don't provide a huge advantage except, perhaps, for cooking
eggs. While it's true that things don't stick to most of them, with good
cookware and proper cooking techniques, foods don't stick to many cooking
services. Where they can be a distinct advantage is in very thin cheap
cookware which is prone to burning and sticking food.
2. Air conditioning... Because my dad was an HVAC engineer, I never lived
in a home that didn't have air conditioning. Many people would agree that
it provides a comfortable and consistent living environment. Unless you
live in a climate where temperatures and/or humidity soar in the summer, I
don't see that it provides a huge advantage to cooking. Living in Arizona,
however, it's an essential that I could/would absolutely not live without,
cooking included.
3. Timers... I don't own, need, or want any external stand-alone timers,
but if my appliances (range, microwaves, toaster ovens, etc.), didn't have
their own timers I would consider them essential for many things,
especially baking, roasting, etc.
4. Chimney starter... Since I haven't used charcoal in 35 years, it
certainly isn't an essential to me. For those who do use charcoal, there
are numerous easy ways to start a charcoal fire. Perhaps those who use
these find thm easier, less messy, and more convenient than other methods.
5. Plastic wrap... Originally developed as an improvement over waxed
paper, it is an essential in my kitchen. It performs better for most uses,
although both waxed paper and parchment paper have unique uses where
plastic wrap cannot be substituted.
6. Television... Julia Child, in particular, started a cooking
revolutioin that brought good food and good cooking techniques to the
masses. Other television cooks have frequently made positive offerings as
well.
7. Vacuum sealers... I don't own one and probably wouldn't use it much if
I did. I can understand what many people feel the advantages may be, but
they're unimportant to me. A heavy weight plastic bag and soda straw
suffice for my needs.
8. Dishwashers... An absolute essential in my kitchen. I would most
likely cook infrequently if I had to clean up after myself. I grew up with
one in every house we lived in, and it was my first purchase in the first
apartment I rented that didn't have one. I know dishwashers are
subjective, though, as many proclaim to enjoy washing dishes by hand.
9. Silpat... I bought a sheet once and threw it out after a couple of
uses. Just another damned thing to clean. Parchment is just as effective,
IMO, and I'd rather dispose of it rather than clean it.
10. Refrigerators (and/or freezers)... A total revolution to the kitchen
and cooking. Before refrigerators, most home cooks had to shop almost
daily to provide fresh food for the table. Refrigerators also spawned many
dishes that simply weren't possible with ice boxes or "nothing" to keep
food at low storage or frozen temperatures.
11. Overnight freight... An absolute and total waste of money, IMO. The
cost of overnight freight today almost always is greater than the item
being shipped. I can't think of anything I need that badly to warrant
such a cost.
12. The Internet... As much as I love owning cookbooks, the ease of
locating a huge assortment of recipes on the Internet has no comparison.
For those who cannot afford to build a substantial library of cookbooks,
searching the Internet for recipes and/or sharing them with others, saves
hours of laborious searching through libraries or enquiring about them from
others.
13. Food procesors... An absolute essential among my kitchen appliances.
I owned the first model offered in the US, the Robot-Coupe. I couldn't
believe how much time it saved in food prep. There are probably a number
of dishes I make that I wouldn't bother with if I didn't have a food
processor. My orignal Robot-Coupe was replaced after a decade with a
Cuisinart and a Hamilton Beach. The Robot-Coupe was replaced because of a
broken workbowl which, at the time, couldn't be replaced. The brand is of
such high quality, I would buy an imported Robot-Coupe if I could afford
today's prices.
14. Gas grills... My decided preference over charcoal. I prefer it's
almost instant heat, convenience, temperature accuracy, lack of mess, etc.
The model I own has a drawer to hold wood chips to add a smoke flavor.
15. Microplane graters... A true advance over ordinary grater,
particularly for certain food itemks. Yet, ordinary graters also have
advantages over microplanes. I wouldn't part with either.
16. Blenders... Blenders have been around a lot longer than most people
realize. Although entire cookbooks have been written for their use, IMO
there are a few basic uses that nothing else can duplicate, not even food
processors.
17. Slow cookers... Like the Robot Coupe, the original Crock-Pot was an
early addition to my kitchen. I later replaced it with a similar model
with a removable crock, then later added a larger oval-shaped model. I
have tried many recipes either designed for or adapted for the slow cooker.
In the vast majority of cases, I found the final product inferior to the
original cooking method. I can't believe that so many people use them
numerous times a week to put a dinner on the table.
18. Tupperware... Years ago I bought a rather large collection of
Tupperware pieces. I don't have many any longer, as I really prefer
storing in the old-style glass refrigerator containers. I do like the
cheap, disposable plastic containers for storing food in the freezer,
however. Tupperware, as a brand, seems terrifically overpriced.
19. Microwaves... Like the Robot Coupe and the Crock-Pot, a first
generation microwave was an early addtion to my kitchen. An Amana, it came
with a large hard-bound cookbook with some decent and some very contrived
recipes. Newer technology has made them a better cooking medium, although
I have to say that I almost never cook a "meal" in the microwave. It is
usually used to reheat, defrost, or an interim step in a recipe.
20. Weber Grill... Never owned one. Grew up with a huge wood-fired brick
and stone barbecue in the back yard. It produced great food, but I
wouldn't trade it for a gas grill. The main advantage of a Weber kettle or
similar grill is its portability.
--
Wayne Boatwright
"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:38:38 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" <...@snet.net
"Wayne Boatwright" <...@arizona.usa.com
We have two Teflon coated pans. One is a small pan used almost exclusivey
for eggs. The other is thick aluminum and works well for a general use pan.
Agree on the other comments and the SS pans are better at browning.
People lived for centuries without it, but we first got AC just downstairs
when I was about 8 or 10 years old. It was a huge heavy window unit and in
the summer we'd sleep on the LR floor in comfort. Older homes were designed
better to keep things cooler with high ceilings and big eaves but that
changed in the 40's or so.
Baking is about the only thing we use a timer for. Most cooking is by feel
or sight. Handy, but we could survive without.
I use mine a few times a year. Far from an essential.
For those who do use charcoal, there
We don't use a lot of wrap, but we do use bags and containers for the same
reason. Definitly a big plus for preservation of leftovers and lunches.
Frugal Gourmet was my first "regular" show to watch. Who'd have thought in
1960 that we'd have the Food Network?
We shop once a month and use the freezer. Handy for us.
Absoluely. Won't be without one. Does such a nice job too.
Never had one, never wanted one.
Can't imagine not having one. We have two plus a freezer. Our ancestors had
it tough. Live the icemaker and water dispenser too.
Air freight is a big deal for the seafood industry. Air is about hte only
way people inside the cost can get fresh seafood. OTOH, it can be carried
to the extreme.
I've learned an incredible amount of information from the internet, food,
tools, vacations, and on and on.
I can take it or leave it. We use our maybe twice a month. It does nothing
that cannot be done by other methods, it just does it faster. For small
batches, little time is save.
Same here
Good for zesting
We use it even less than the food processor. Maybe we should make an effort
to learn more about what it can do.
Don't have one. Dutch oven and stove top. My wife is home so she can watch
it.
We use Rubbermaid and Glad container, but Tupper started the whole plastic
thing.
Late addition for us. It has good uses.
Hey, we had a brick setup too. Did crab boils on it too.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:20:07 -0800, Mark Thorson <...@sonic.net
Geez Louise! You grew up like Richie Rich or
George W. Bush! Probably don't even know what
shit smells like because always had servants to
. . . I'll let Sheldon finish that sentence.
Do you even know what a bread crust is? Or were
they all sliced off your sandwiches before you
ever saw them? Diary entry -- "Found seed in
orange juice, had cook flogged."
ENJOY WASHING DISHES ??? Seen it in paintings,
have you, Richie? Happy peasants washing dishes?
If I were a painter, I'd paint pictures of
happy peasants cleaning cat litter boxes.
And I'd sell them to the ruling class, who would
assume they reflected an underlying reality
that supported their imagination of the natural
order of things. I bet they'd sell pretty well,
too. Especially in Texas. And other places
where they use air conditioning and Mexicans.
Happy Mexicans.
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:35:15 -0700 (PDT), maxine <...@gmail.com
On Mar 16, 3:20 am, Mark Thorson <...@sonic.net
Sounding a little jealous, aren't you? I know there are folks in this
world who had it better than me, or had more than we did when growning
up, but as a kid, do you have a choice of living in the lap of luxury
(as you seem to think Wayne did) or in a cardboard shack? No. Grow
up.
maxine in ri
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:09:50 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" <...@snet.net
"Mark Thorson" <...@sonic.net...
I'm about he same age as Wayne. Middle class family and AC all the way. I
think we were the first on our block. I did not have a dishwasher until I
bought my first house at 20. Have not been without one since.
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:06:43 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" <...@snet.net
"Michael "Dog3"" <...@198.186.190.162...
We didn't get a microwave until about 1985. Now that we have it, we use it
frequently. Serves a purpose, but some things are better cooked
conventionally. The one we have now is also a convection oven and we use it
as a second oven. Handy for big meals.
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:33:27 -0500, Andy <...@b.c
Ed Pawlowski said...
The small tabletop convection toaster oven does a great job of cooking
small roasts (browning included) in next to no time. Does a superb job
roasting chateaubriand (2 lbs.) in 25 minutes, flipping once.
Not to mention reheating leftover pizza. The microwave would turn it into
some form of cardboard.
Hats off to convection oven cooking!
Andy
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:57:27 -0600, Christine Dabney <...@ix.netcom.com
On 16 Mar 2009 13:22:59 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
<...@donttell.huh
Ya know folks, I am thinking a bit differently than some of the
responses I read. I see most of those items as being very
revolutionary, in many, many ways.
Maybe not the item as it stands or stood then... but in what it
produced.... For the above instance of a microwave..we wouldn't have
the miles and miles of frozen dinners in the frozen food section that
we now have. Before then, people cooked...now they do takeout, or
get a microwave dinner or something else that needs microwaving.
Popcorn for instance. Before then, people had to cook, to fix
microwave...now we just get a package and stick it in the microwave.
People cook differently...if they have one and use it.
Same with the Julia Child show. Yes, her show was new, but the main
thing is that it eventually spawned a whole TV network... Way down
the line of course, but she was the one that started it all. I call
that pretty revolutionary.
For the chimney starter, yes the thing is it is pretty innocuous at
first glance and many people did their homemade versions. But it was
put mainstream, and suddenly people felt like it was much easier to
grill...especially in starting the fire. Nowadays, grilling is
big...and you see books all over about grilling. If starting a
grill fire had continued to be a chore, do you think people would have
taken to it like they have done since?
I could go on and on about all of these. It is not the said object,
such as the blender, or the food processor, but what came out of them,
and what they birthed or started.
At least this is how I see it...
Christine
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:36:13 -0700, Robert Klute <...@hp.com
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:57:27 -0600, Christine Dabney
<...@ix.netcom.com
I agree with you Christine. While the air conditioner, vacuum bag,
microplane and silpat are kind of weak, the rest did really CHANGE the
WAY we (as a society, not as individuals) cook, prepare, and store food.
The item itself may have not been revolutionary, just evolutionary, but
it was instrumental in modifying societal norms. Other commenters have
gotten bogged down in whether they as individuals find the item useful.
Also lost is that the list is Post WWII inventions.
Teflon pans changed how people thought about cooking eggs and fish. The
crockpot made slow cooking safe and easy. The microwave made reheating
convenient and fast.
The timer made baking easier. The microplane was an evolutionary
improvement on the grater. The blender and food processor made food
preparation easier.
The Weber made the backyard grill mainstream. The chimney, whether home
made or commercial, improved the quality of grilled food. The gas grill
made it convenient.
The refigerator allowed for a weekly grocery buying and more variety at
meals. Plastic wrap is invaluable for a variety of uses in most
kitchens. Tupperware changed how we store food and treat leftovers.
Vacuum bags, to a certain extent and will much more, affect not only the
storage of food but the preparation - sous vide, for example.
Overnight freight allows us to buy fresh fruit from around the world,
changing our menus and the reliance on seasonality. A good thing?
Perhaps not, but it did fundamentally change our diet.
Television cooking and travel shows really opened international cuisines
to the world. Ditto for the internet.
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:24:53 -0400, Goomba <...@comcast.net
I think I'm 15-20 years younger than Wayne, but we always had
dishwashers and air conditioning growing up in Dallas.
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:37:02 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" <...@snet.net
"Goomba" <...@mid.individual.net...
Evidently having the AC help, your cuter than Wayne too!
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:14:48 GMT, Wayne Boatwright <...@arizona.usa.com
On Tue 17 Mar 2009 12:37:02p, Edwin Pawlowski told us...
I have to agree with that last statement. :-)
--
Wayne Boatwright
"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:16:29 GMT, Wayne Boatwright <...@arizona.usa.com
On Mon 16 Mar 2009 12:20:07a, Mark Thorson told us...
Give a guy a break, Mark. I grew up as the only child in an upper middle
class family. My parents weren't wealthy, but my dad made a very
comfortable living. Most homes in our neighborhood had dishwashers and
automatic clothes washers and dryers. Not everyone had central air
conditioning.
We didn't have "servants", but we did have a yard man and my mother did
have a cleaning lady. My mother did all the cooking and some of th
cleaning she preferred doing herself.
--
Wayne Boatwright
"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:44:45 -0800, Mark Thorson <...@sonic.net
I should have known! Washers and dryers, indeed.
I'll bet you had color TV, too! And Touch-Tone
phones. All of your butter was curled.
Dog professionally groomed twice a week.
If it wasn't silk, it would be new dollar bills
for toilet paper.
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:10:45 -0600, "Gregory Morrow" <...@aaazzz.ro
Yup...Lil' Wayne's dear ole mudder dressed him up like Little Lord
Fauntleroy, when puberty hit he was dressed in Mary Janes, a starched
pinafore, and he had a head full of golden barrel curls, that's why the
neighborhood kids referreed to him as "The Top Fop", e.g. he was spoiled
R-O-T-T-E-N.
Lol...
--
Best
Greg
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:26:02 GMT, Wayne Boatwright <...@arizona.usa.com
On Mon 16 Mar 2009 08:44:45p, Mark Thorson told us...
This is getting to be too funny. :-) Actually, we didn't even have a TV
until 1951. When my dad did buy one, he bought a B&W set with a larger
screen than most folks had, IIRC it was 20". The standard 21" inch screens
weren't on the market yet. OTOH, he refused to buy a color set until the
original B&W set had completely quit working. That wasn't until 1966.
Everyone I knew had a color set before my parents did. My mother served
butter like most folks do, in 1/4 lb. sticks in a butter dish, although I
admit that she used a butter press when we had company. We got a toy
shepherd when I was 5 years old. My mother bathed her herself once a week
in the stationary tubs down in the basement. Uh, toilet paper? Standard
2-ply on the roll like most folks.
--
Wayne Boatwright
"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:40:19 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell <...@sbcglobal.net
In article <...@69.16.185.250 Wayne Boatwright <...@arizona.usa.com
Dad bought our first TV, a Zenith Space Command model, around 1958. The
TV had a black remote with the gold Zenith logo. I remember it as sort
of a hefty but one handed rectangle with four to six buttons on the top
that went *click* when you pressed them. His subsequent TVs were all
Zenith Space Command but in color.
Although I have some minor trouble with remotes now, I did grow up with
them... once we finally got a TV.
leo
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:07:40 GMT, blake murphy <...@verizon.net
i remember the space commander remote. it 'pinged,' kinda? it's said that
sometimes a sound of the right pitch (keys jangling, etc.) would change
channels on t.v.
your pal,
blake
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:20:38 GMT, "James Silverton" <...@verizon.not
blake wrote on Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:07:40 GMT:
I lived in a mountainous part of the world where it was only in the 80s
where real cable became available. Previous to that, there was only a
rather flaky b/w signal delivered by a local entrepeneur who put up a
large antenna on the highest hill in line of sight.
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:18:04 -0800, Mark Thorson <...@sonic.net
Yes, that's right. The remote had no electronics in it.
It had a set of bars that acted like bells. The TV
would hear the sounds, and respond accordingly.
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:13:15 GMT, Wayne Boatwright <...@arizona.usa.com
On Tue 17 Mar 2009 08:07:40a, blake murphy told us...
Yes, it was sort of like having a number of tuning forks inside the remote,
and each vibrated at a different frequency. This was transmitted to a
reciever in the TV which responded to the command. Other things of a like
frequency could set them off.
--
Wayne Boatwright
"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:25:20 -0600, "Gregory Morrow" <...@aaazzz.ro
The basic Zenith Space Command remote control (which they invented around
1956) was practically unchanged up until the early 80's...it was IIRC
largely mechanical and had those same four function controls.
Remote controls were nothing new, some upscale radios in the 30's had wired
remotes (these were incredibly complex, some even had station pre-sets that
you had to "dial", etc.) as did some early teevee's, but Zenith had the
first real wireless TV remote..
Some early VCR's had wired remotes, too...
--
Best
Greg
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:40:09 -0700, sf <...@geemail.com
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:40:19 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
<...@sbcglobal.net
Was that "remote" connected by wires to the TV?
--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.
Mae West
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:46:04 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell <...@sbcglobal.net
In article <...@4ax.com sf <...@geemail.com
No, it was a true remote. I see downthread that it emitted sound that
the TV picked up. I had forgotten. I don't recall it having batteries. I
still say "Hand me the clicker".
leo
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:03:37 GMT, Wayne Boatwright <...@arizona.usa.com
On Tue 17 Mar 2009 01:46:04p, Leonard Blaisdell told us...
No, Leo, they didn't have batteries. The mechanism was strictly mechanical.
--
Wayne Boatwright
"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:51:27 +1300, bob <...@surfwriter.net.not
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:40:19 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
<...@sbcglobal.net
Trying not to sound smug ... but our first TV was in 1946. Can't
remember the brand, but it had a ten inche b&w screen set behind doors
in a Mahogany cabinet that also housed a radio. Most of the unit was
taken up by speakers and it was basically a piece of furniture.
There wasn't all that much early television that I can remember, but I
can recall that, on special occasions - like a football game - my
step-dad would make popcorn and my step-sister, my folks and I would
sit watch that little screen.
I can also remember that, in later years, my grandmother - God rest
her soul - used to cover her television with a shawl every night so
the "little people inside that box" couldn't see her walking around in
her dressing gown.
BTW - because of the excellent sound quality of the radio, my folks
kept the TV until the seventies when they moved to a retirement
community. By then it was worth far more than they paid for it
originally and the radio still worked beautifully.
--
una cerveza mas por favor ...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wax-up and drop-in of Surfing's Golden Years: <http://www.surfwriter.net~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:04:16 -0400, Dave Smith <...@sympatico.ca
I think we got out first TV in 1953 or 54. My father wanted to watch the
hockey games on Saturday nights. There was not much on in those days.
There were only a few broadcast stations and they shut down at night.
Anyone who had a TV back then probably remembers that every hardware and
convenience store had a tube testing machine and replacement tubes
because those old tubes had a very short life and needed constant
replacement. A person with some degree of mechanical/electrical savvy
could replace the bulbs himself but technotards kept the TV repair
shops busy.
My wife's family did not have a television until about 1970. They could
well afford one but my father in law did not want one in the house.
Televisions were very expensive back in the 50s and colour TVs were out
of reach for most people. The price tag on a colour TV these days is
lower than they were were in the 60s. If that wasn't bad enough, they
were troublesome critters that needed a lot of expensive repairs. Most
of them were pieces of furniture, not just televisions. They came in
nice solid wood cabinets.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:10:31 GMT, Wayne Boatwright <...@arizona.usa.com
On Tue 17 Mar 2009 12:51:27a, bob told us...
Many of the earlier TVs were installed in beautiful cabinetry. I think the
manufacturers were following the tradition they had established with the
large console radio/record player combination units. Most also had all of
the equipment covered by doors. It was possibly because the public
expected "furniture" since the unit would be placed in the living room.
Almost no one had a dedicated room for listening to radio or records or
watching TV. Some friends of my parents had a late 1950s radio/hi-fi/TV
combination that was housed in an oriental style cabinet finished in red
lacquer that was decorated.
The two most significant events I remember watching on TV were Queen
Elizabeth's coronation and Eisenhower's first election. The first weekly
shows I remember were I Love Lucy, Howdy Doody, and Milton Berle. The
Saturday shows for kids were mostly westerns and shows like Space Cadets.
That's really cute!
The sound quality of those big old sets was usually superb. A lot of early
hi-fi- enthusiasts converted them into cabinets to house their equipment.
--
Wayne Boatwright
"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:36:41 -0400, "Nancy Young" <...@comcast.net
That's the tv I grew up with. Not really, I'm sure it was from
1960 or so. My mother still has that thing, the tv died after I
moved out. Much to my shock! they sprung for a color tv in
1980 or so. So there the tv console sits in the corner, no tv,
that part's a bookcase now. Too funny. I doubt the radio or
the turntable still work.
That's a very cute story.
nancy
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:18:09 -0600, "Gregory Morrow" <...@aaazzz.ro
The Rolls Royce of teevees, as early as 1950 they were making sets with 30"
screens, huge monsters of things with the very best of cabinetry and
electronics, their sets could cost as much as a car. Unfortunately, the
cheaper competition drove them outta bizness around 1956...they also had one
of the early television networks, they were off the scene by that time, too
IIRC.
If you have early 50's _National Geographic_ magazines laying around, you
can see their ads, always featuring a bunch of elegant swells in an upscale
living room viewing their DuMont sets...
--
Best
Greg
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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:52:16 +1300, bob <...@surfwriter.net.not
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:04:08 GMT, "brooklyn1"
<...@verizon.net
Many thanks for that. Before they moved to a retirement community, the
foks sold the old set to a collector who wanted to restore the
television (the radio still worked). It must have taken a forkhoist to
move it.
They also sold a beautiful 1939 La Salle convertible that had sat on
blocks in the garage since just after WWII. They'd hoped I'd restore
the car one day but finally gave up when I moved to New Zealand in
1974. They sold it to another collector who paid quite a bit for it.
--
una cerveza mas por favor ...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wax-up and drop-in of Surfing's Golden Years: <http://www.surfwriter.net~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~
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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:28:37 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® <...@BRICK.NET
On Mar 15, 6:02 pm, Mark Thorson <...@sonic.net
The one pictured is the Weber model. You should buy one. Fluid does
not work fine. No serious griller/Qer would ever put naptha into
their appliance.
See: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.food.barbecue/topics
Well, #4 sure isn't bogus.
--Bryan
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:04:42 +1300, bob <...@surfwriter.net.not
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:02:08 -0800, Mark Thorson <...@sonic.netshouted from the highest rooftop:
Not so much "bogus" as superficial IMO. Giving a gas and charcoal BBQ
separate listings is pretty silly as well. Whoever put the list
together doesn't appear to have given it much thought.
--
una cerveza mas por favor ...
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Wax-up and drop-in of Surfing's Golden Years: <http://www.surfwriter.net~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:33:52 GMT, blake murphy <...@verizon.net
take it for what it is, not some work of philosophy. like any 'top twenty'
(or what have you) list, it's mostly fluff and for fun if you have a good
time arguing about such things.
that said, i do get a lot of use from my kitchen time (a lux, actually),
and am surprised it was not invented until 1936 (a time, it should be
noted, before every appliance with the possible exception of a toaster had
a clock in it). i only wish this one had the single 'ding,' instead of
'brriiing,' which makes me jump every time.
your pal,
blake
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:07:14 -0400, "Jean B." <...@rcn.com
Yes!!!!! I want an old wind-up timer, that just has one ding. I
agree re jumping. It scares me every time.
--
Jean B.
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:35:49 +1300, bob <...@surfwriter.net.not
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:07:14 -0400, "Jean B." <...@rcn.comfrom the highest rooftop:
We had a great little wind-up timer for around 20 years, but when it
broke it couldn't be fixed. So we bought another one, which lasted
less than three years. Then another, and another, and another - each
of which lasted less than a year. And the were not inexpensive either.
So I decided to try a digital timer and wonder why it took me so long.
It's been working beautifully for the past three years and is far more
accurate than the mechanical timers.
The only downside is the alarm. You can hear it anywhere in the house,
but it's not recommended for anyone with a weak heart.
.
--
una cerveza mas por favor ...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wax-up and drop-in of Surfing's Golden Years: <http://www.surfwriter.net~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:01:23 -0400, "Jean B." <...@rcn.com
I think the answer for me, then, would be to look at a consignment
shop or thrift store--or an estate or yard sale. Many old things
seem to have been built to last.
--
Jean B.
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:56:53 GMT, blake murphy <...@verizon.net
it awakens some part of the lizard brain that says 'omgomg! i have to get
up to go to school!'
your pal,
blake
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:56:53 -0600, Gloria P <...@comcast.net
Done by committee, do you suppose?
gloria p
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:41:18 -0700, sf <...@geemail.com
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:56:53 -0600, Gloria P <...@comcast.netwrote:
Sounds more like it was done by people who don't cook much and don't
have much experience *not* using those items. I gave Tupperware an ok
because it has spawned other products that we can buy on the grocery
store shelf now. Let's say it was an excellent idea back in the day
and the concept has evolved.
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I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.
Mae West
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:45:56 -0600, Christine Dabney <...@ix.netcom.com
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:41:18 -0700, sf <...@geemail.com
I gave Tupperware an ok
Yes, and that is why it was considered revolutionary in this article.
Same for Julia Child and what her show spawned....
I don't see it that some of those things were a total revolution in
themselves, but what fruit they bore in the long run.
Christine
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http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:04:32 -0700, sf <...@geemail.com
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:45:56 -0600, Christine Dabney
<...@ix.netcom.com
That "chimney" idea didn't spring up out of thin air. My grandfather
used coffee cans and he put holes around the bottom with a church key.
It wasn't his idea (as far as I know) was courtesy of Grandma, who was
a County Extension Agent in Michigan back in the day ('50s-60's)
before she retired and they moved to join us in sunny Calif. Grandpa
didn't drink coffee or beer, so you know he was an advocate of those
chimneys because he had to get can donations from his friends.
--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.
Mae West
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:36:39 GMT, blake murphy <...@verizon.net
i seem to recall using a jerry-rigged version in the boy scouts, which
would have been around the mid-sixties.
your pal,
blake
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:12:12 -0700 (PDT), maxine <...@gmail.com
On Mar 16, 10:36 am, blake murphy <...@verizon.net
Girl scouts still use them at times. We taught our troop how to make
one and use it. Good for windy places where you need to get a fire
started<g
maxine in ri
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:39:57 -0700, Dan Abel <...@sonic.net
In article <...@4ax.com sf <...@geemail.com
Big juice cans worked fine also. I don't remember what we used 50 years
ago. Cut off the top and bottom, add holes with the church key. Add
crumpled newspaper and briquets. Light with a match through the holes.
Use a pair of offset pliers to lift the can off when the coals were
ready.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
dabe...@sonic.net
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:23:10 -0400, "jmcquown" <...@comcast.net
"Dan Abel" <...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
Too bad coffee and juice doesn't come in cans anymore. Plastic is all I can
find. Those cans certainly did the trick for charcoal briquettes, didn't
they :)
Jill
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:04:16 -0500, Sky <...@NOsbcglobal.SnPeAtM
I recently purchased ground coffee in a 48 oz. aluminum can. The empty
cans come in handy for many things besides a charcoal chimney. V8 juice
is also available in small individual cans as are other sorts of juices
and teas.
Sky
P.S. I'm not a coffee connoisseur so nearly any brand works well to
make mocha ;)
--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:00:56 +0000 (UTC), <...@f1n11.sp2net.wfu.edu
Jill,
Kirkland Brand Coffee sold a costco still sell in a cans.
Steve
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:55:41 -0400, "jmcquown" <...@comcast.net
<...@f4n35.wfunet.wfu.edu...
The nearest Costco is in Charleston, which is 125 miles away (one way). I
sincerely doubt I'll be going to Charleston to pick up a can of coffee.
Jill
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:22:34 -0400, George <...@pitt.edu
So does Chock Full of Nut's.... An many house brands at the grocery
store still do...
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:52:58 -0400, "jmcquown" <...@comcast.net
"George" <...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu...
I'm not a big coffee drinker. My mother drank Folgers and wanted a cup in
the morning. But Folgers comes in plastic containers these days. Back in
the day when I did drink coffee every morning I belonged to the Gevalia
coffee club; they send them in vacuum-sealed bags (in boxes). No cans,
sorry :)
The point of the original post was innovations/inventions that changed
cooking. I don't think the charcoal chimney did that.
Jill
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 04:14:21 -0600, Omelet <...@gmail.com
In article
<...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au Dan Abel <...@sonic.net
What a cool idea! How many holes? Just around the edges or what?
--
Peace! Om
I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:06:58 -0700, sf <...@geemail.com
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 04:14:21 -0600, Omelet <...@gmail.comwrote:
Just put them along the perimeter at the bottom. You can't make them
too close or else you won't have individual holes.
--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.
Mae West
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:28:51 -0600, Omelet <...@gmail.com
In article <...@4ax.com sf <...@geemail.com
Thanks.
Dad does get canned juices from time to time, so I have them available
periodically.
--
Peace! Om
I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama
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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:37:12 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® <...@BRICK.NET
On Mar 16, 12:28 pm, Omelet <...@gmail.com
Just buy a real one. They are not that expensive:
http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=168831&CCAID=FROOGLEBC168831
One time of burning myself because I used a channel lock because I was
too cheap to buy a replacement for the one whose handle had fallen off
taught me.
Those new Webers are nice. They're large and have the extra handle
for easy pouring. I use mine to start both charcoal and wood.
--Bryan
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:39:39 -0400, "Jean B." <...@rcn.com
Gee. I use a fraction of these things, and some don't sound like
a good idea at all.
1. Nonstick coating--turns out not to be good for you, among
other things.
2. Air conditioning--depends on one's climate I suppose. I don't
like, say, using the oven or otherwise generating much heat when I
have the AC on. If I do have to cook something for an extended
period when it is hot, I prefer to do that in the early morning or
at night.
3. Timer--yes, I do use them--both for timing (duh) and to remind
myself that something is on or something needs to be done.
4. Chimney starter--not applicable to me (now).
5. Plastic wrap--depends on one's definition of cooking; it is
not good to COOK with it. Or to wrap fatty foods in it.
6. TV--well, mom used to watch Julia Child et al., so there was
probably a carryover effect on my cooking. I don't watch TV.
7. Vacuum sealers--I haven't ever used one. Come to think of it,
I do have one, given to me by someone else who didn't use it.
8. Dishwasher--useful, but mine has been broken for years.
9. Silpat--I don't own any. I wonder whether down the line,
research will show it is a bad idea, like nonstick coating.
10. Refrigerator--I'll go along with this one.
11. Overnight freight--yes and no. I think ideally we need to
buy local produce etc. and eat in season.
12. The Internet--obviously, being here, I agree with this as far
as access to recipes and information goes.
13. Food processor--I gave mine away to a former rfc poster years
ago and very rarely regret that.
14. Gas grill--if and when I get up the nerve to grill, it will
be with charcoal (at least I think so).
15. Microplane--I have never used one and have survived!
16. Blender (or Blendor--they should spell the Waring product
correctly)--useful. I think one might have to include stick
blenders here....
17. Slow cooker--I can see this, especially for folks who can't
be home cooking for hours before dinner.
18. Tupperware--I prefer containers made of glass/Pyrex.
19. Microwave oven--yes, especially when it comes to reheating.
20. Weber Grill--???
This is an odd list. How about a beater (even the hand-cranked
ones were a big improvement on having to beat things for hours,
and the electric ones were obviously an improvement over that).
Or a coffee grinder (home or store) for those of us who like coffee?
Or a stove/range/oven (as vs. using the fireplace?
Or indoor plumbing/easy access to water?
Or electricity, if you want to get down to basics?
--
Jean B.
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:44:57 GMT, "James Silverton" <...@verizon.not
Jean wrote on Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:39:39 -0400:
Also, too many phobias and misstatementsd to counter in one post!
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:15:02 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton <...@yahoo.com
On Mar 16, 9:39 am, "Jean B." <...@rcn.com
No. No. No.
I don't want to spend half the year eating nothing but parsnips.
The ground is frozen solid for three of those months.
How do you suggest we feed the millions of people who live
in the northern tier of states?
Cindy Hamilton
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:50:24 -0600, Omelet <...@gmail.com
In article
<...@e18g2000yqo.googlegroups.com Cindy Hamilton <...@yahoo.com
Okra.
--
Peace! Om
I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:38:03 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" <...@snet.net
"Cindy Hamilton" <...@e18g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 16, 9:39 am, "Jean B." <...@rcn.com
No. No. No.
I don't want to spend half the year eating nothing but parsnips.
The ground is frozen solid for three of those months.
How do you suggest we feed the millions of people who live
in the northern tier of states?
Cindy Hamilton
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Truck and railcar. Much cheaper than overnight air.
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:27:27 GMT, Wayne Boatwright <...@arizona.usa.com
On Mon 16 Mar 2009 07:38:03p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
Frozen vegetables?
--
Wayne Boatwright
"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:58:38 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton <...@yahoo.com
On Mar 17, 12:27 am, Wayne Boatwright
<...@arizona.usa.com
Practically the only vegetables my husband will eat is: salad.
I do not want to contemplate frozen lettuce, although I do
contemplate it occasionally as a result of delays in
shipping.
Truck and railcar obviously are viable options, it's how we
snowlanders get much of our food already. I don't think
air freight is necessary (except maybe for some fish).
I just get so peeved when people say "eat locally" without
thinking about the real effects on millions of snowlanders.
Christ, it's hard enough to get Midwesterners to eat
vegetables as it is. (I don't count corn as a vegetable;
in my book it's a starch.)
Cindy Hamilton
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:23:17 -0400, "Nancy Young" <...@comcast.net
Even tomatoes don't come in until late July, and they're done
in September ... I'm for sure not going to do without fresh
tomatoes most of the year. The local farmstands close after
October because nothing is growing. I live in zone 7, it's not
even a really cold state, there are much colder. There would be
no lettuce, nothing, for most of the year. Never lemons. Never
bananas.
The local/in season thing is a nice idea, but it only works during
the few growing months, if you have any interest in fresh vegetables
and fruits.
nancy
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:28:27 GMT, "James Silverton" <...@verizon.not
Nancy wrote on Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:23:17 -0400:
When I was growing up in Britain, my father grew quite good tomatoes in
a heated greenhouse. Perhaps, you might look into it if you have space.
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:10:17 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton <...@yahoo.com
On Mar 17, 1:28 pm, "James Silverton" <...@verizon.notwrote:
We had a fellow hereabouts who tried to use a (probably unheated)
hoop house to grow a fairly large amount of vegetation one winter.
He did pretty well until February, when everything in it froze solid.
I seem to recall there was some ice damage to it.
It gets (and stays) below zero Fahrenheit here. It would cost a
damned fortune to grow tomatoes in a greenhouse.
But thanks for the suggestion. It might work well even 400 miles
south of here.
Cindy Hamilton
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:33:40 -0700 (PDT), bulka <...@gmail.com
On Mar 17, 12:23 pm, "Nancy Young" <...@comcast.net
I'm for sure not going to do without fresh
Um, yes you are. How fresh do you figure those things are, flown in
from Brazil? Do you even taste those red things from the supermarket
in February?
I don't know why a hothouse doesn't work, but it doesn't seem to
work. I make do with canned most of the year, and then really
appreciate the ones in my backyard for the short time they are here.
b
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:07:09 -0400, "Nancy Young" <...@comcast.net
I buy Uglys from Florida. Or I used to get those Camparis at
Costco, they were nice. Nothing beats fresh out of the garden,
but there are acceptable substitutes to canned.
nancy
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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:42:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton <...@yahoo.com
On Mar 17, 6:07 pm, "Nancy Young" <...@comcast.net
I get grape tomatoes, which are readily available and pretty good
in the winter. They can even be sliced (with caution) and put on
a hamburger.
Cindy Hamilton
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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:50:08 GMT, "James Silverton" <...@verizon.not
Cindy wrote on Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:42:41 -0700 (PDT):
A serrated knife (like a bread knife) is the safest thing in my
experience for all tomatoes unless your knives are razor sharp and even
then!
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:06:41 -0400, "Nancy Young" <...@comcast.net
I've done that, too! I know the cardboard tasting winter tomatoes
well, but I think that there has been a lot of progress on that
front since I was younger.
nancy
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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:28:23 GMT, blake murphy <...@verizon.net
there seems to be no lack of cruddy tomatoes in the grocery store even in
summer.
your pal,
blake
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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:01:27 -0400, "Nancy Young" <...@comcast.net
I certainly didn't say there weren't a lot of awful tomatoes in
supermarkets. Just that you can find reasonable alternatives to
them, when years ago (not even that many), you had no choice.
I don't buy many tomatoes in the winter months as it is, but if
I see a nice Ugly tomato, I pay the price.
nancy
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:08:56 GMT, blake murphy <...@verizon.net
i'll have to keep a sharper eye for those next time i'm at the store.
your pal,
blake
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