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"Ambassador Hot Dog"
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 22:57:15 -0500, "Gregory Morrow" <...@xxuitx.cu
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/weekinreview/07barry.html
June 7, 2009
Ambassador Hot Dog
By DAN BARRY
"In the Swiftian world of international relations, every detail, every
gesture, is fraught with meaning. One diplomat interprets the innocent
sneeze of another diplomat as an insult to his mother, and off they go into
Lilliputian-Blefuscudian brinksmanship.
Thankfully, the United States has developed over the years a disarming way
to put its foreign guests at ease. It is to offer that most unassuming of
American food items, one long associated with baseball, barbecues and
occasional gastrointestinal distress. Yes: the hot dog.
In the formal language of diplomacy, perhaps, the presentation of a hot dog
may say: "On behalf of the United States of America, may we offer you this
tubular delight of meat, meat byproducts, curing agents and spices?" But
what it really says is: "How ya doin'? Wanna beer?"
Such is the democratic charm of the hot dog.
Last week, the State Department informed its embassies and consulates that
they could now invite officials from Iran to their Fourth of July
receptions, all in keeping with the Obama administration's policy of
openness to communication. Iranian diplomats have been off the invite list
ever since a certain faux pas, the 1979 seizure by protesters of the
American Embassy in Tehran.
But now, finally, representatives of the Iranian government are welcome to
annual Independence Day parties, which, as The Times's Mark Landler
reported, usually include "hot dogs, red-white-and-blue bunting and some
perfunctory remarks about the founding fathers."
There is no record of the founding fathers ever eating hot dogs, no trace,
for example, of mustard on the Declaration of Independence. But the hot dog
has played a role in American foreign relations since at least June 1939,
when the king and queen of England attended a picnic at President Franklin
D. Roosevelt's estate in Hyde Park, N.Y., while soliciting American support
for England in the war about to consume Europe.
The next day, a front-page headline in The New York Times shared the news:
KING TRIES HOT DOG
AND ASKS FOR MORE
And He Drinks Beer With Them
Bob Clark, the head archivist at the Franklin D. Roosevelt Presidential
Library, in Hyde Park, agreed on Friday to dig deeper into this seminal
event. "Anything we can do to further the diplomacy of the United States,"
he said.
He called back to report that: a sample tray of hot dogs was served on a
silver tray; the royal guests nevertheless joined everyone else in eating
off paper plates; King George VI ate two hot dogs ("with gusto," the
historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr. later said); and the brand of hot dog was
Swift.
A more delicate diplomatic matter concerned Queen Elizabeth. According to
"The Roosevelts and the Royals," a 2004 book by Will Swift, the queen turned
to President Roosevelt and asked: "How do you eat it?"
He is said to have answered: "Very simple. Push it into your mouth and keep
pushing it until it is all gone."
But the Queen of England could not conjure her inner Ebbets Field bleacher
bum. She is said to have used a knife and fork.
Twenty years later, in 1959, a hot dog again figured in American foreign
relations when Nikita Khrushchev, the unpredictable leader of the Soviet
Union, toured the United States. At one point he stopped at a packing plant
in Des Moines, where he ate his first hot dog - although at least one
account says his first bite had to wait until security agents waved a Geiger
counter over the dog. A mere cold war formality.
The hot dog, it seems, figures in American diplomacy only when absolutely
needed. In 1999, for example, President Bill Clinton gathered at a table
with Prime Minister Ehud Barak of Israel and the Palestinian leader Yasir
Arafat to eat hot dogs. Kosher, of course.
Now it is needed again - on Independence Day, to help the Obama
administration with the delicate matter of Iran. And if things do not go as
well as planned, the administration might consider contacting the National
Hot Dog and Sausage Council, a project of the American Meat Institute and
conveniently located in Washington.
Its officials can suggest recipes beyond the traditional dog in a bun.
Perhaps the crisis at hand might call for "grilled hot dog and fruit
kabobs," or maybe something more traditional, like "franks and beans."
The council also has a cheeky list of etiquette tips that could come in
handy for foreign heads of state. Among them: use paper napkins, not cloth
napkins, when wiping one's mouth while eating a hot dog; take no more than
five bites in consuming a hot dog; and never, ever, use utensils to eat a
hot dog on a bun.
One more thing, Your Majesty. Wanna beer?"
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On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 21:52:51 +0200, "Runge16" <...@bigfoot.com
"Gregory Morrow" <...@earthlink.com...
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On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:05:52 -0500, "Gregory Morrow" <...@xxuitx.no
scRunge16 blabbles:
[...]
Here is scRunge, our favorite "wiener", lol...
--
Best
Greg
Franklin
States,"
bleacher
absolutely
National
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On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:59:33 -0500, zxcvbob <...@charter.net
I can just see Bill Clinton offering the Queen a tube-steak. On second
thought, maybe not...
Bob
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On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:55:15 +0100, Matthew Malthouse <...@calmeilles.co.uk
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:59:33 -0500, zxcvbob <...@charter.netwrote:
Madge would probably summon a footman to deal with it.
Matthew
--
Mail to this account goes to the bit bucket.
In the unlikely event you want to mail me replace usenet with my name
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On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:36:37 GMT, blake murphy <...@verizon.net
say what you want about bill's taste in women, i don't think he'd go that
far.
your pal,
blake
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On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:18:12 -0600, Arri London <...@ic.ac.uk
LOL Why not? The UK has a long enough history of eating sausages in buns
of sorts (as opposed to 'onna stick'). Plenty of late night sausage/hot
dog vendors in central London. Usually served with fried onions. Just
about every large street market will have a sausage/hot dog/burger roach
coach.
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:14:11 -0400, "Kswck" <...@optonline.net
"Gregory Morrow" <...@earthlink.com...
As far as I'm concerned, invite the Iranians to a hot dog meal. Just put
explosives in theirs.
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:04:42 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton <...@yahoo.com
On Jun 10, 2:14 pm, "Kswck" <...@optonline.net
All 70 million of them, 25% of whom are 15 years or younger?
Cindy Hamilton
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:22:53 -0500, "Gregory Morrow" <...@xxuitx.no
On Jun 10, 2:14 pm, "Kswck" <...@optonline.net
All 70 million of them, 25% of whom are 15 years or younger?
--------
GM replies:
The best "solution" to the Iranian "problem" would be to *blanket* the
country with US popular culture...those scary mullahs with their restrictive
rules can't hold a *candle* to the influence of hotdogs, MTV, and Britney
Spears...
;-)
--
Best
Greg
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:24:18 +0200, Donna Evleth <...@wanadoo.fr
Have you ever met an Iranian?
Donna Evleth
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:29:53 -0400, "Kswck" <...@optonline.net
"Donna Evleth" <...@wanadoo.fr...
Yes, I have. And their attitude toward the US is about the same as the
Haitians. They'll take our money and spit on us at the same time.
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:00:08 -0500, Michel Boucher <...@g.mail.com
"Kswck" <...@cv.net:
I really don't think Ahmadinejad wants ANY money from the US. And the spit
is a gift from the people of Iran to you :-)
--
Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 04:11:38 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger" <...@die_spammer.biz
Michel replied about Iranians (I snipped obnoxious cross-posting):
Iranian politics do not reflect Iranian people. I knew dozens of Iranian
students in my early college days. They came from upper-middle-class
families (under the Shah). Iran has a very rich cultural heritage, and most
Iranians I know are naturally gregarious, good-humored, and hospitable. It's
a crying shame how thoroughly the country has been RAPED by its theocrats,
and how its justifiable national pride has been perverted and poisoned both
by its own leaders and by our hamhanded bungling.
Bob
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:55:01 -0500, Michel Boucher <...@g.mail.com
"Bob Terwilliger" <...@news.astraweb.com:
One could say the same about the US.
--
Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:27:23 GMT, blake murphy <...@verizon.net
life under the shah wasn't all that peachy-keen, either. the u.s. made its
first mistake overthrowing the duly elected mossadegh because he selfishly
thought the iranian people owned iranian oil:
In 1951 Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh was elected prime minister. As prime
minister, Mossadegh became enormously popular in Iran after he nationalized
Iran's oil reserves. In response, Britain embargoed Iranian oil and, amidst
Cold War fears, invited the United States to join in a plot to depose
Mossadegh, and in 1953 President Dwight D. Eisenhower authorized Operation
Ajax. The operation was successful, and Mossadegh was arrested on 19 August
1953. After Operation Ajax, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi's rule became
increasingly autocratic. With American support, the Shah was able to
rapidly modernize Iranian infrastructure, but he simultaneously crushed all
forms of political opposition with his intelligence agency, SAVAK.
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini became an active critic of the Shah's White
Revolution and publicly denounced the government. Khomeini was arrested and
imprisoned for 18 months. After his release in 1964 Khomeini publicly
criticized the United States government. The Shah was persuaded to send him
into exile by General Hassan Pakravan. Khomeini was sent first to Turkey,
then to Iraq and finally to France. While in exile, he continued to
denounce the Shah.
The Iranian Revolution, also known as the Islamic Revolution, began in
January 1978 with the first major demonstrations against the Shah. After
strikes and demonstrations paralysed the country and its economy, the Shah
fled the country in January 1979 and Ayatollah Khomeini returned from exile
to Tehran. The Pahlavi Dynasty collapsed ten days later, on 11 February,
when Iran's military declared itself "neutral" after guerrillas and rebel
troops overwhelmed troops loyal to the Shah in armed street fighting. Iran
officially became an Islamic Republic on 1 April 1979 when Iranians
overwhelmingly approved a national referendum to make it so. In December
1979, the country approved a theocratic constitution, whereby Khomeini
became Supreme Leader of the country. The speed and success of the
revolution surprised many throughout the world, as it had not been
precipitated by a military defeat, a financial crisis, or a peasant
rebellion. Although both nationalists and Marxists joined with Islamic
traditionalists to overthrow the Shah, tens of thousands were killed and
executed by the Islamic regime afterward, the revolution ultimately
resulted in an Islamic Republic under Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#Recent_history_.281921.E2.80.93present.29
...so i would say the iranians have a damn good reason to hate america.
your pal,
blake
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:19:41 +0200, Earl Evleth <...@wanadoo.fr
On 11/06/09 23:29, in article 4a31...@cv.net, "Kswck"
<...@optonline.net
You sound xenophobic and I don't believe you are accurate.
Haitians are poor but my impression of the Iranian community is
that they are of middle and upper class origins and came to the US
to escape the Iranian revolution which was populist and anti-Western
and they were not.
Next, one has to also judge the 2nd generation, those born in the US
and thus more Americanized (sometimes to the extent they only
speak English). Neither the immigrating generation nor those born
in he US will go back to Iran to live. The Florida Cubans will also
stay put in the USA. They all will maintain some roots with the
old country.
We do the same thing as Americans have immigrated to France and
taking French citizenship. We go back to visit the US but will
not go back permanently. Nor do we spit on France. This is also
true with the North African population of France. Because
of discrimination they have some complaints against the ethnic
French. Those that were born here are more French than North
African. The danger of Islam in France is overrated by the
hysterics of some. Best of all, France is now free of the
yoke of religion generally.
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:02:54 -0500, Michel Boucher <...@g.mail.com
Earl Evleth <...@wanadoo.fr:
You know what they say: ne valait pas Le Pen de venir ;-)
--
Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:50:22 +0200, Donna Evleth <...@wanadoo.fr
C'est un joli jeu de mots.
Donna Evleth
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:39:56 -0500, Michel Boucher <...@g.mail.com
Donna Evleth <...@wanadoo.fr:
Mais ce n'est pas un calembour. Sa Majest n'aime pas les calembours.
(voir Ridicule, le film)
--
Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes
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On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:13:38 +0200, Earl Evleth <...@wanadoo.fr
On 9/06/09 5:57, in article KNyd...@earthlink.com,
"Gregory Morrow" <...@xxuitx.cu
I posted on the fact, several times, that pizzas outsell hamburgers
10 to 1. Hot dogs sales run behind hamburgers.
The hot dog is known in France under the American name. It is sold
out of sandwich take outs usually prepared with melted cheese.
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On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:30:25 GMT, "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
"Earl Evleth" <...@wanadoo.fr
But can you prove it.
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On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:42:23 GMT, "ViLco" <...@ViLco.invalid
Here in Italy we inherited hot-dogs from Germany, so we call them "wurstel",
a distorsion of the original "wurst". BTW, "wurst" which should mean
"sausage": is that correct, Viktor?
Here they are usually served on a bun as the ones used in the USA, and the
dressing is almost always at the choice of the customer who can choose
between mild and strong mustard, ketchup and mayonnaise. Some stalls are
starting to keep minced horseradish at hand, as I have experienced in
Salzburg and Bayern, and I love it.
I have never seen dog selling stalls offer melted cheese, but in my family
there's a tradition regarding big dogs, like "servelade" from the Alps: we
cut some fissures along the dog and then insert narrow slices of fontina in
these fissures, then wrap the whole thing in pancetta (unsmoked bacon) and
oven cook it until the cheese melts. Dunno where this habitude comes from,
but the kind of dog (servelade) and cheese (fontina) clearly tell it's from
the alpine region, maybe even from beyond the border.
--
Vilco
Mai guardare Trailer park Boys senza
qualcosa da bere a portata di mano
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On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:25:35 +0200, "Michael Kuettner" <...@gmx.at
"ViLco" <...@twister2.libero.it...
Nearly. It's "Wrstel" (u-umlaut), which is a diminuitive an means
little sausage.
The habit comes from Bern (Berner Wrstel). But BW are fried in the pan.
Cheers,
Michael Kuettner
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On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:39:05 +0200, Earl Evleth <...@wanadoo.fr
On 9/06/09 10:42, in article PfpX...@twister2.libero.it, "ViLco"
<...@ViLco.invalid
What has gone out of style in France is the street venders who sold
both hot dogs and made crepes. The hot dogs sat in a largr jar that
was constantly heated. The seller would first take a demi-baguette
and creat a hole down the center with a special device. Then he would
grab one of the hot dogs dip in into a mustard jar and insert the
dog into the baguette. Now the baguette is cut down the middle,
and dogs placed, cheese put on top and this would be placed in a
microwave to heat the dog and melt the cheese. Often this combination
has already been heated once, the cheese already melted and so
the combination is just reheated.
One still finds crepe stands around but the number is decreasing.
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On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:31:56 -0400, "Zeppo" <...@hotmail.org
"ViLco" <...@twister2.libero.it...
They make the same thing here, Vilco. It's called a 'Texas Tommy'. Made with
smoked bacon and processed cheese in the US, of course.
It's fallen out of popularity in he last 20 years or so but is still on some
Deli menus.
Jon
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Anonymous Wrote:
ViLco <...@ViLco.invalid
Yes, and also in cafés. Sometimes two sausages (often red saucisses de
Strasbourg) are arranged lengthwise in a split half of a baguette.
The whole thing is not quite correct, in any of the countries or
languages involved. A "hot dog" is a certain type of sausage in a split
bun with (usually) certain additions. It is not a sausage per se,
sloppy usage notwithstanding.
The sausage in question is usually of the Wiener or Frankfurter type
(which ideally are not supposed to be quite identical).
"Wurstel" is a very slight "distortion" of the Austrian/Bavarian (and
also Swiss) "Würstl" or "Würstel" (the latter used more often in Austria
and Switzerland), a diminutive/hypocoristic of "Wurst", "sausage", but
often enough meaning a certain kind of sausage in a given context.
Victor
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:17:41 +0200, "Giusi" <...@gmail.com
"Victor Sack" ha scritto nel messaggio
Wurstel is ITALIAN for this particular meat and obviously drawn from the
German. It therefore will not have character marks that do not exist in
German. WE are mostly quite happy to have adopted and adapted the wurstel
because otherwise, what would we do with all those spare pig parts one
doesn't like to think about?
The USA hotdog, I believe, is also an adoption/adaption from the German
immigrant population of the midwest, a population that still delights with
adapted German foods. Since they were called Frankfurters, I always
presumed they were from that nice city originally, but wiener which is not
used so much would indicate Wien, yes? It doesn't matter, it's good.
Where I grew up the hotdog was a spicy baby, but as I lived around the US I
found the spicing much less in some regions, with the exception of the Red
Hot which I suppose is hard to find by now. The Italian wurstel is even
milder.
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Anonymous Wrote:
Giusi <...@gmail.com
What's "ITALIAN"? Is there such a thing at all? ;-)
You mean Italian or "Italian".
What about, for example, the Lombardian cassöla, cazzöla or casoeûla
(piedini, costine e cotenne etc. di maiale cotte con le verza; the dish
is also called bottagìn or bottaggio, the word probably of the same
origin as potage/pottage; basically a pork stew with (Savoy) cabbage).
Similarly, what about büsêca or bûsecca (as in büsêca cui fâsö, trippa
con fagioli, tripe with beans, a dish traditionally made with three
kinds of tripe: chiappa, foiolo e riccia, i.e. rumen, honeycombe and
abomasum, but sometimes the forth kind, bible, is also used)?
These and other words are often spelt with umlauts and other diacritics
(but other various and sundry spellings are also used). See, for
example, <http://www.realmantegazza.it/Chicche/vucabulari.pdf
Make the dishes mentioned above?
Sometimes it's good, especially in Germany; often it isn't.
If you are talking about the sausage, as distinct from the dish, you
won't find a spicy one called Wiener or Frankfurter in Germany. These
sausages are not supposed to be spicy. You'd have to look for the
Hungarian Debreziner (Debreceni) or the Moroccan merguez.
Victor
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:55:46 +0200, "Giusi" <...@gmail.com
"Victor Sack" ha scritto nel messaggio
Victor, don't obfuscate. The hot dog was adapted from something either
German or Austrian, but is not either of those. Same for the wurstel. It
is therefore not strange that they might be flavored differently from place
to place. In Maine you could discern nutmeg and garlic, in other places
they were absent or faint and in some places they were a bit piquant. It
has nothing to do with Germany, but how to sell a product in the US.
You can insist on a German spelling if you want, but it won't work because
neither most Americans nor Italians south of the Sudtirol know how to use
them or where.
I am just telling you what I observed. You can't change that and you can
wish it were done "properly German" but it won't happen. It was once upon a
time in America... and now una volta in Italia.
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Anonymous Wrote:
Giusi <...@gmail.com
You mean eschew obfuscation?
You must have been reading someone else's post, not mine. I never said
anything to the contrary. I said that you won't find a spicy sausage
called Wiener or Frankfurter in Germany, in reply to your statement that
the Italian wurstel is mild.
You must have been reading someone else's post, not mine. Vilco fairly
explicitly asked about the etymology of the Italian "wurstel" and I
provided as exact information as I could.
Afterwards, I was replying to you, with examples of diacritics use in a
region fairly far from - and to the south - of Sudtirol. Said use is
rather more sophisticated than in any other European language, certainly
more so than German with mere umlauts.
Victor
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:57:48 -0700 (PDT), bulka <...@gmail.com
A local "Coney" joint (Detroit's horrible chili dog) has a sign
advertising an "I Alian Combo". I was interested, until I realized
they had just lost a T.
B
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:26:40 GMT, "brooklyn1" <...@verizon.net
A local "Coney" joint (Detroit's horrible chili dog) has a sign
advertising an "I Alian Combo". I was interested, until I realized
they had just lost a T.
Wouldn't that be a lower case "t"... a lower case "a" too. Perhaps that
"t" was lost on purpose... I don't imagine too many would pay to hear an
Italian Combo... The Four Guidos/Greaseballs. LOL
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:44:03 -0700 (PDT), TerryinDTW <...@gmail.com
If you don't like Detroit style cony dogs why don't you head across
the river and try one
in Windsor. I'm quite sure you will be impressed with their meat
standards.
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Anonymous Wrote:
bulka <...@gmail.com
In Texas, in or near Denton, IIRC, I once saw a sign proclaiming the
availablity of "Rea lice cream."
Victor
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:25:21 -0600, Arri London <...@ic.ac.uk
<snip
Talk about coincidence...The Spanish-language cooking tutorial on
Wednesday lunchtime TV prepared a dish called busecca today. It was a
tripe stew with maize, beans,tomatoes and a few other things in it.
Assumed it was of Spanish origin but perhaps not. Looked very nice!
Recipe here:
http://www.recetasmicocina.com/pais_315_Argentina-Busecca.html
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:26:30 -0600, Arri London <...@ic.ac.uk
TY. Nice site and the Spanish is nearly within my grasp, dictionary to
hand :) Interesting bit of food history there. Knew there was a large
Italian contingent in Brazil, but never thought about Argentina.
The programme demonstrated another 'Argentine' dish: locro. Maize,
beans, potatoes, squash, seasonings and just about every cut of pork,
smoked and green, imaginable. Talk about party food! There is another
South American dish of the same name but different ingredients.
Wish more cooking shows were like this one. Pics of each ingredient
along with the amount required. Footnotes about details of the prep or
ingredients. Clear instructions even a novice Spanish-speaker can
understand. Good pics of the 'plato terminado' too :)
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