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On Tue, 05 May 2009 02:33:48 -0500, sherwin dubren <...@comcast.net
I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various
sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a
particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to
do that, but I couldn't figure it out.
These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever
possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot,
and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than
Rotenone, say Imidan.
Sherwin
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On Tue, 5 May 2009 10:15:39 -0400, "Steve Peek" <...@ioa.com
"sherwin dubren" <...@news.motzarella.org...
They do offer the option of selecting rootstocks.
Some of us do make organic gardening work quite well thank you.
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On Tue, 05 May 2009 13:26:16 -0400, Bill <...@snip.net
I
Guess most folks know about Rotenone and Parkinsons ?
Bill
1: Neurobiol Dis. 2009 May;34(2):279-90.
Links
A highly reproducible rotenone model of Parkinson's disease.
Cannon JR, Tapias V, Na HM, Honick AS, Drolet RE, Greenamyre JT.
Pittsburgh Institute for Neurodegenerative Diseases, Department of
Neurology, University of Pittsburgh, PA 15260, USA.
The systemic rotenone model of Parkinson's disease (PD) accurately
replicates many aspects of the pathology of human PD and has provided
insights into the pathogenesis of PD. The major limitation of the
rotenone model has been its variability, both in terms of the percentage
of animals that develop a clear-cut nigrostriatal lesion and the extent
of that lesion. The goal here was to develop an improved and highly
reproducible rotenone model of PD. In these studies, male Lewis rats in
three age groups (3, 7 or 12-14 months) were administered rotenone (2.75
or 3.0 mg/kg/day) in a specialized vehicle by daily intraperitoneal
injection. All rotenone-treated animals developed bradykinesia, postural
instability, and/or rigidity, which were reversed by apomorphine,
consistent with a lesion of the nigrostriatal dopamine system. Animals
were sacrificed when the PD phenotype became debilitating. Rotenone
treatment caused a 45% loss of tyrosine hydroxylase-positive substantia
nigra neurons and a commensurate loss of striatal dopamine.
Additionally, in rotenone-treated animals, alpha-synuclein and
poly-ubiquitin positive aggregates were observed in dopamine neurons of
the substantia nigra. In summary, this version of the rotenone model is
highly reproducible and may provide an excellent tool to test new
neuroprotective strategies.
PMID: 19385059 [PubMed - in process]
Related articles
Subcutaneous rotenone exposure causes highly selective
dopaminergic degeneration and alpha-synuclein aggregation.
Exp Neurol. 2003 Jan; 179(1):9-16.
[Exp Neurol. 2003]
Melatonin reduces the neuronal loss, downregulation of dopamine
transporter, and upregulation of D2 receptor in rotenone-induced
parkinsonian rats.
J Pineal Res. 2008 Mar; 44(2):205-13.
[J Pineal Res. 2008]
Neurodegeneration of mouse nigrostriatal dopaminergic system
induced by repeated oral administration of rotenone is prevented by
4-phenylbutyrate, a chemical chaperone.
J Neurochem. 2007 Jun; 101(6):1491-1504.
[J Neurochem. 2007]
Review
The rotenone model of parkinsonism--the five years inspection.
J Neural Transm Suppl. 2006; (70):269-72.
[J Neural Transm Suppl. 2006]
Review
Controversies on new animal models of Parkinson's disease pro and con:
the rotenone model of Parkinson's disease (PD).
J Neural Transm Suppl. 2006; (70):273-6.
[J Neural Transm Suppl. 2006]
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On Tue, 05 May 2009 10:35:51 -0700, Billy <...@without_a.net
In article <...@news.motzarella.org sherwin dubren <...@comcast.net
Shelly and Sherwin-doo, back together again. I thought life was too
sweet.
Never figured out IPM? Still spraying poisons around to pollute the
environment?
Imidan 70-W
Active Ingredient:
Phosmet (70.0%)
Chemical Class:
Organophosphorous Pesticide (re: nerve gas. It may not be toxic to you
but their may be pregnancies or small children in your area.))
ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
Summary of Effects
Phosmet
This pesticide is toxic to fish and wildlife. For terrestrial uses, do
not apply directly to water, to areas where surface water is present or
to intertidal areas below the mean high water mark. Do not contaminate
water by cleaning of equipment or disposal of wastes. Drift and runoff
from treated areas may be hazardous to aquatic organisms in adjacent
aquatic sites. This product is toxic to bees exposed to direct
treatment. Do not apply this product while bees are actively visiting
the treatment area.
http://www.gowanco.com/ProductInfo~pid~28~Imidan%2070-W.aspx
Anyone with apples, may want to look at:
Pests of the Garden and Small Farm: A Grower's Guide to Using Less
Pesticide, Second edition
by Mary Louise Flint
http://www.amazon.com/Pests-Garden-Small-Farm-Pesticide/dp/0520218108/ref
=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241540176&sr=1-1
although it is primarily for orchards in California,
or browse the IPM books at Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-k
eywords=Integrated+Pest+Management+for+Apples&x=12&y=20
and then see if they aren't available from the library.
For coddling moth see
http://www.gardensalive.com/article.asp?ai=672&eid=092706GA&sid=143411&gc
lid=COe1qI_WpZoCFShRagod9RpU9g&bhcd2=1241543555
For Apple Maggot see
http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/tree006/tree006.htm
Sure, insecticides may be more thorough in eradicating the pest but it
poisons the environment, kills off pollinators, kills off fish which may
surpress mosquitos, and is a threat to human embryos, and small children.
IPM may not eradicate garden and orchard pests, it will make them more
manageable, preserve the environment, and give you and your's food free
from unnatural chemicals, about which we are still trying to figure out
the consequences of our living with them.
If you find that insecticides are the only way you have of growing a
given crop, you may want to re-think, if that crop is that important to
you and the planet.
Good going doo. Sorry to see you back.
--
- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html
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On Wed, 06 May 2009 01:31:23 -0500, sherwin dubren <...@comcast.net
Well Billygoat,
You are obviously not competent to use these chemicals and should stay
away from them for your own health's sake.
Hope you enjoy all those apples with the worms inside.
Sherwin
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On Wed, 06 May 2009 01:39:20 -0500, sherwin dubren <...@comcast.net
Billygoat,
By the way, you are probably putting out more pollutants from your
automobiles than our occasional spraying. I suggest you lock them in
your garage before you kill us all.
Sherwin
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On Wed, 06 May 2009 09:17:53 -0700, Billy <...@without_a.net
In article <...@news.motzarella.org sherwin dubren <...@comcast.net
Doo head, all I'm asking is that when you recommend a chemical that you
list the downside of that chemical. The is no probably in extremely
toxic to birds and fish. But you are the doo man, and you doo, that
doo-doo, that you doo so well.
Aw, you went and made me Gruff again.
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- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html
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On Thu, 07 May 2009 01:57:42 -0500, sherwin dubren <...@comcast.net
I suggest you see a neurologist to treat your 'do do' problem.
Also, what do you want me to say? Sure, drinking these chemicals
is not recommended. Wearing protective breathing and clothing is.
Also, if you dump your excess chemicals in a water run off, or some
lake it would do damage. Proper handling and disposal is the order
of the day.
If you are addressing your concerns to the backyard orchardist who
probably has about a dozen or so trees, I see no great effect on the
environment. Are you aware that many of these chemicals break down
and are burn't off in the sun? Imidan is one of them. Sevin, on
the other hand, lingers on for some time, so I don't use it.
One jet plane taking off probably spews more polution to the
environment than dozens, if not hundreds of hobby orchardists.
If you want to go after the commercial orchards, most of them
take proper precautions. Since their use of chemicals is on a
much larger scale, their effect could be significant, if the
chemicals are not handled and disposed of properly.
You have to get the public and backyard orchardists to give up
clean unattacked fruit. I know certain varieties can be grown
organically, but they usually are not the best tasting ones.
Sherwin
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On Thu, 07 May 2009 09:11:19 -0700, Billy <...@without_a.net
In article <...@news.motzarella.org sherwin dubren <...@comcast.net
So, since the water is polluted, your going to piss in it too? Try
learning a little more about IPM, or do you wipe down your counter tops
with Lysol too?
--
- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html
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On Thu, 07 May 2009 17:18:16 -0400, Bill <...@snip.net
In article <...@4ax.com Rick <...@spam.please
Why ? We live in a world of microbes killing a few million won't
matter. Much better to coexist and enjoy real cheese then to think
sterility is the way to live. Consider asthma and the problem that
occur when the immune system is not challenged.
Bill who appreciates Billy's rants. Truth is not always pleasant.
...........
1: Allergy. 2009 May;64(5):678-701.
Links
Scientific rationale for the Finnish Allergy Programme 2008-2018:
emphasis on prevention and endorsing tolerance.
von Hertzen LC, Savolainen J, Hannuksela M, Klaukka T, Lauerma A, Makela
MJ, Pekkanen J, Pietinalho A, Vaarala O, Valovirta E, Vartiainen E,
Haahtela T.
Skin and Allergy Hospital, Helsinki University Central Hospital,
Helsinki, Finland.
In similarity to many other western countries, the burden of allergic
diseases in Finland is high.
in early life reduces the subsequent risk of developing allergic
diseases.
Along with urbanization, such exposure has dramatically reduced, both
in terms of diversity and quantity. Continuous stimulation of the immune
system by environmental saprophytes via the skin, respiratory tract and
gut appears to be necessary for activation of the regulatory network
including regulatory T-cells and dendritic cells. Substantial evidence
now shows that the balance between allergy and tolerance is dependent on
regulatory T-cells. Tolerance induced by allergen-specific regulatory
T-cells appears to be the normal immunological response to allergens in
non atopic healthy individuals. Healthy subjects have an intact
functional allergen-specific regulatory T-cell response, which in
allergic subjects is impaired. Evidence on this exists with respect to
atopic dermatitis, contact dermatitis, allergic rhinitis and asthma.
Restoration of impaired allergen-specific regulatory T-cell response and
tolerance induction has furthermore been demonstrated during
allergen-specific subcutaneous and sublingual immunotherapy and is
crucial for good therapeutic outcome. However, tolerance can also be
strengthened unspecifically by simple means, e.g. by consuming farm milk
and spending time in nature. Results so far obtained from animal models
indicate that it is possible to restore tolerance by administering the
allergen in certain circumstances both locally and systemically. It has
become increasingly clear that continuous exposure to microbial antigens
as well as allergens in foodstuffs and the environment is decisive, and
excessive antigen avoidance can be harmful and weaken or even prevent
the development of regulatory mechanisms. Success in the Finnish Asthma
Programme was an encouraging example of how it is possible to reduce
both the costs and morbidity of asthma. The time, in the wake of the
Asthma Programme, is now opportune for a national allergy programme,
particularly as in the past few years, fundamentally more essential data
on tolerance and its mechanisms have been published. In this review, the
scientific rationale for the Finnish Allergy Programme 2008-2018 is
outlined. The focus is on tolerance and how to endorse tolerance at the
population level.
PMID: 19383025 [PubMed - in process]
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Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA
Not all who wander are lost.
- J.R.R. Tolkien (1892-1973)
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On Thu, 07 May 2009 15:33:59 -0700, Billy <...@without_a.net
In article <...@4ax.comYou seem to want a response, so your wish is granted.
Rick <...@spam.please
You know how I play this, if you make an assertion, you back it up with
a citation: citation please.
Invective and ad hominem, do you have something to say?
And your judgement is worth, what? How do you evaluate my lack of
information, by the citations that I make, and are so glaringly absent
in your little rant?
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum
Real shame that you can't share these problems with us. Are they on a
need to know basis?
Hey, I thought we were here to talk about ME! Since this could all be
made-up, here on the internet, why don't you cut to the chase?
And they've found that they don't produce a larger crop than normal
soybeans.
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But the Union of Concerned Scientists disputed the claims of increased
production in the "Failure to Yield" report.
"Clearly the industry has been trying as long as it has existed to
improve yields, but the record is extremely meager," Doug
Gurian-Sherman, senior scientist at UCS and author of the report, told
the Cleantech Group."Going forward, we need to be careful about putting
too many eggs in the basket of genetic engineering."
The report looks at the two most popular GM uses: herbicide-resistant
corn and soybeans, and pest-resistant corn. The report showed that the
use of herbicide-tolerant corn and soybeans have had no effect on actual
per-acre yields.
http://cleantech.com/news/4364/double-whammy-hits-genetically-modi
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God, you must feel quite the fool. All the GMO crops have done for you
is to let you pay for the right to pour more Roundup on the ground.
Hey, way to go guy.
Uh, you ain't so slick, if you hadn't noticed that as your topsoil blows
and trickles away, you've been having to use more and more chemferts.
But hey, this is UseNet, you could be a bored student in a computer lab
somewhere.
Not according to the Union of Concerned Scientists, but you probably
know more than they do, not.
Oh, I saw that one coming in.
- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html
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On Thu, 7 May 2009 20:42:30 -0500, phorbin <...@yahoo.com
In article <...@4ax.comsays...
And this sounds very much like an article of faith. Perhaps they go to
sleep dreaming of the money and not the suicides they've directly
influenced by selling "Bollgard" in India.
And how does it feel to be breeding superweeds?
How will it feel, having to go back to older combined herbicides when
Roundup no longer does it for you? Nature in the end will win. (Monsanto
knows this and has recommendations for this inescapable eventuality.)
And the opposite of commie is nazi. Farthest left. Farthest right.
Monsanto is a corporate Nazi.
Percy Schmeiser won in Canada but Monsanto is still up to its tricks.
http://www.percyschmeiser.com/
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On Sun, 10 May 2009 09:32:00 -0700, Wild Billy <...@without_a.net
In article <...@news.motzarella.org sherwin dubren <...@comcast.net
I should probably see a proctologist to have a contract taken out on you.
The point is that they aren't clean and the environment is polluted in
the process. Again, you don't quantify or qualify your response. All you
give us is probably . . .
Can you name them, or do you just like the taste of pesticides?
- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is
now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of
conception until death." - Rachel Carson
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7843430.stm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go
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On Sun, 10 May 2009 09:34:57 -0700, Wild Billy <...@without_a.net
In article <...@news.motzarella.org sherwin dubren <...@comcast.net
Insightful into the depths of your ignorance and stupidity.
In your drooling sarcasm, you didn't respond to:
Imidan 70-W
Active Ingredient:
Phosmet (70.0%)
Chemical Class:
Organophosphorous Pesticide (re: nerve gas. It may not be toxic to you
but their may be pregnancies or small children in your area.))
ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
Summary of Effects
Phosmet
This pesticide is toxic to fish and wildlife. For terrestrial uses, do
not apply directly to water, to areas where surface water is present or
to intertidal areas below the mean high water mark. Do not contaminate
water by cleaning of equipment or disposal of wastes. Drift and runoff
from treated areas may be hazardous to aquatic organisms in adjacent
aquatic sites. This product is toxic to bees exposed to direct
treatment. Do not apply this product while bees are actively visiting
the treatment area.
http://www.gowanco.com/ProductInfo~pid~28~Imidan%2070-W.aspx
Anyone with apples, may want to look at:
Pests of the Garden and Small Farm: A Grower's Guide to Using Less
Pesticide, Second edition
by Mary Louise Flint
http://www.amazon.com/Pests-Garden-Small-Farm-Pesticide/dp/0520218108/ref
=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241540176&sr=1-1
although it is primarily for orchards in California,
or browse the IPM books at Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-k
eywords=Integrated+Pest+Management+for+Apples&x=12&y=20
and then see if they aren't available from the library.
For coddling moth see
http://www.gardensalive.com/article.asp?ai=672&eid=092706GA&sid=143411&gc
lid=COe1qI_WpZoCFShRagod9RpU9g&bhcd2=1241543555
For Apple Maggot see
http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/tree006/tree006.htm
Sure, insecticides may be more thorough in eradicating the pest but it
poisons the environment, kills off pollinators, kills off fish which may
surpress mosquitos, and is a threat to human embryos, and small children.
IPM may not eradicate garden and orchard pests, it will make them more
manageable, preserve the environment, and give you and your's food free
from unnatural chemicals, about which we are still trying to figure out
the consequences of our living with them.
If you find that insecticides are the only way you have of growing a
given crop, you may want to re-think, if that crop is that important to
you and the planet.
--
- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is
now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of
conception until death." - Rachel Carson
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7843430.stm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go
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On Sun, 10 May 2009 02:16:03 -0500, sherwin dubren <...@comcast.net
It is interesting that someone in this group has the power to remove
postings they find offensive. The entire discussion on Heirloom
Apples quoted above has vanished. It includes a defense
my position. Nothing like a little censorship.
Sherwin
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On Sun, 10 May 2009 09:29:07 -0400, The Cook <...@yahoo.com
On Sun, 10 May 2009 02:16:03 -0500, sherwin dubren
<...@comcast.net
All of the messages show up on Google Groups. Other people cannot
remove you messages. It is almost impossible to remove all copies of
your own messages even when you send a rescind message immediately.
One person, Steve (I think) has his messages marked "do not archive"
but they still show up on Google for 10 days.
--
Susan N.
"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)
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On Sun, 10 May 2009 08:37:22 -0400, "Steve Peek" <...@ioa.com
"sherwin dubren" <...@news.motzarella.org...
I still have the entire discussion.
Steve
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On Sun, 10 May 2009 09:38:01 -0500, phorbin <...@yahoo.com
In article <...@ioa.com says...
Nothing further has appeared here.
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On Sun, 10 May 2009 09:45:49 -0400, Bill <...@snip.net
In article <...@news.execulink.com phorbin <...@yahoo.com
I still have the entire discussion too. Mt-newswatcher.
Bill
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Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA
Not all who wander are lost.
- J.R.R. Tolkien (1892-1973)
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On Sun, 10 May 2009 10:20:00 -0500, phorbin <...@yahoo.com
In article <...@snip.net says...
Me too. It's sitting on my hard drive, having been downloaded in its
entirety up to this point.
The article Sherwin referred to hasn't made it here. ...which can be
chalked up to the vagaries of USENET or something more sinister
depending on one's preferences.
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On Sun, 10 May 2009 11:44:53 -0700, Wild Billy <...@without_a.net
In article <...@news.motzarella.org sherwin dubren <...@comcast.net
IIRC paranoia is a side effect of insecticide poisoning. Huffing the
lindane again, Doo?
http://chm.pops.int/Convention/Pressrelease/COP4Geneva8May2009/tabid/542/
language/en-US/Default.aspx
Governments unite to step-up reduction on global DDT reliance and add
nine new chemicals under international treaty
Geneva, 8 May 2009 Nine persistent organic pollutants (POPs) were
listed today under the Stockholm Convention. Over 160 Governments have
just concluded a one-week conference with practical decisions that will
strengthen a global effort to eradicate some of the most toxic chemicals
known to humankind.
The Conference of the Parties (COP) has marked a historic week for the
Stockholm Convention. For the first time, the Convention was amended to
include nine new chemicals. Many of these are still widely used today as
pesticides, flame retardants and in a number of other commercial uses.
This meeting in Geneva has culminated in a momentous day for the
Stockholm Convention. Its significance cannot be under-estimated. We now
have a clear signal that Governments around the world take seriously the
risks posed by such toxic chemicals. The tremendous impact of these
substances on human health and the environment has been acknowledged
today by adding nine new chemicals to the Convention. This shift
reflects international concern on the need to reduce and eventually
eliminate such substances throughout the global community, said UN
Under-Secretary General and UNEP Executive, Achim Steiner.
(cut)
The Stockholm Convention targets certain hazardous pesticides and
industrial chemicals that can kill people, damage the nervous and immune
systems, cause cancer and reproductive disorders and interfere with
normal infant and child development.
The nine new chemicals now listed under the Stockholm Convention are:
Alpha hexachlorocyclohexane to Annex A;
Beta hexachlorocyclohexane to Annex A;
Although the intentional use of alpha- and beta-HCH as an insecticide
was phased out years ago, these chemicals are still produced as an
unintentional by-product of lindane. Approximately 6-10 tons of other
isomers including alpha- and beta-HCH result from each ton of lindane
produced.
Hexabromodiphenyl ether and heptabromodiphenyl ether to Annex A;
Tetrabromodiphenyl ether and pentabromodiphenyl ether to Annex A;
Bromodiphenyl ether congeners are a group of brominated organic
substances that inhibit or suppress combustion in organic material,
which are used as additive flame retardants. Brominated diphenyl ethers
are mainly manufactured as commercial mixtures where several isomers,
congeners and small amounts of other substances occur.
Chlordecone to Annex A;
Chlordecone is a synthetic chlorinated organic compound, which was
mainly used as an agricultural pesticide. It was first produced in 1951
and introduced commercially in 1958. Current use or production of the
chemical is not reported.
Hexabromobiphenyl to Annex A;
Hexabromobiphenyl (HBB) is an industrial chemical that was used as a
flame retardant, mainly in the 1970s. Based on existing data, HBB is no
longer produced and is not used in new or existing products.
Lindane to Annex A;
Lindane was used as a broad-spectrum insecticide for seed and soil
treatment, foliar applications, tree and wood treatment and against
ectoparasites in both veterinary and human treatments. Lindane
production has decreased rapidly in recent years and only a few
countries still produce it.
Pentachlorobenzene to Annex A and C;
Pentachlorobenzene (PeCB) was used in PCB products, dyestuff carriers,
as a fungicide, a flame retardant and a chemical intermediate such as
the production of quintozene and it may still be used for this purpose.
PeCB is also produced unintentionally during combustion in thermal and
industrial processes. It appears as an impurity in products such as
solvents or pesticides.
Perfluorooctane sulfonic acid, its salts and perfluorooctane
sulfonyl fluoride to Annex A or B;
PFOS is both intentionally produced and an unintended degradation
product of related anthropogenic chemicals. The current intentional use
of PFOS is widespread and found in products such as in electric and
electronic parts, fire fighting foam, photo imaging, hydraulic fluids
and textiles. PFOS are still produced in several countries today.
The 12 initial POPs covered by the Convention include nine pesticides
(aldrin, chlordane, DDT, dieldrin, endrin, heptachlor,
hexachlorobenzene, mirex and toxaphene); two industrial chemicals (PCBs
as well as hexachlorobenzene, also used as a pesticide); and the
unintentional by-products, most importantly dioxins and furans.
Further information is available at http://www.pops.int or by emailing
ss...@pops.int
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- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is
now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of
conception until death." - Rachel Carson
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7843430.stm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go
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On Sun, 10 May 2009 09:37:51 -0500, phorbin <...@yahoo.com
In article <...@news.motzarella.orgsays...
Let me see...
I doubt if any of the usual participants in this newsgroup would want to
censor the thread.
While I disagree with you categorically and think there is no reasonable
defense of using pesticides or herbicides, you have the right to say
your piece, as do we all. The issues matter too much to silence the
opposition.
There's at least 1 corporate entity cum 2 trick pony that might monitor
for certain carefully picked hot-button (but true) key words and phrases
and either complain or cancel. I know that if I were them, I would and
that all the gardening newsgroups would be reasonable targets to
monitor.
If it is censorship, I think, you can guess what words set off the alarm
and who might be being censored... (Then again, it could just be that
Motzarella.org server has a short latency period or you inadvertantly
deleted the thread from your newsreader.)
I'll note that the opposite poles I mentioned use similar methodologies
to inspire fear, silence dissent and make bad publicity or bad public go
away. IMO, the difference between money and a gun is that a gun kills
more quickly.
We can decide what to believe based on whatever makes us comfortable.
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On Sun, 10 May 2009 07:30:25 -0700, Billy <...@without_a.net
In article <...@news.execulink.com phorbin <...@yahoo.com
Since there is more money in selling chemicals than an organic approach,
you wouldn't think that Dr. Doo (childish, I know) would be censored. He
be their boy.
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- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html
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On Sun, 10 May 2009 14:26:17 -0500, phorbin <...@yahoo.com
In article <wildbilly-C52A12.07302510052009@c-61-68-245-
199.per.connect.net.au
I figure the real answer is straight-forward, simple and easy. Messages
go missing all the time. Everything from a keyboard slip through black
hole could account for this..
That said:
A blanket cancel would be more ambiguous than a specific one. One could
easily hide behind the ambiguity.
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On Sun, 10 May 2009 11:50:21 -0700, Billy <...@without_a.net
In article <...@news.execulink.com phorbin <...@yahoo.com
But since everybody has the thread, 'cept doo, it would appear to be his
screw-up (at least it pleases me to think so ;O)
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- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html
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