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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:37:09 -0700, "Bruce S" <...@gmail.com
That's what he has done so far. My guess is that when his advisors finally
convince him this is serious, he will promise to whine to the UN.
Bruce
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:23:55 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
<...@4ax.com...
Now don't go pickin' on BHO about pirates.
He inherited this problem from Thomas Jefferson.
Eisboch
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:55:53 -0500, "Mike Simmons" <...@yhti.net
<...@4ax.com...
My guess is that he will sic the UN on 'em... that'll have 'em shaking in
their boots.... like N. Korea.....
;^)
Mike
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:03:36 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
OH NO! Not the UN. After meeting for a while they'll sanction the
pirates by passing a resolution.
Those resolutions will bore you to death. What a horrible way to die.
LZ
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:01:34 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
My bet is the cowardly SOB has TOLD the Navy to stand down because he
will talk to them, ...sometime!
The Captain escaped and the Navy just sat there. Apparently. I hope
the guy lives so he can go on TV and call the BLACK SOB every name in
the book.
Of course Hillarious just cackles like a friggin witch. Oh, she is a
witch.
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If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 00:51:46 -0700 (PDT), "Lenny (LZ)" <...@yahoo.com
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:09:21 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
After any serious maintenance on the gun turrets we would sight them in
on a 1600 yard range, shooting at 55 gallon drums painted yellow.
Just like bore sighting a rifle only more work. Selsyns that drove the
electric turret had to be zeroed out to agree with the gun sight and
fine adjustments were
made using shims on the guns themselves. When you could hit the drum
you were good to go. Each gunner was responsible for an aircraft; if
you were lucky or had an aircraft which still had two turrets you got a
partner. We prided ourselves on how well our guns performed but you
seldom flew in the plane you serviced. One of the first things on
waking up was to check the mission reports to see if your plane had any
gun malfunctions. If your plane did, you could expect a serious ass
chewing by the gunnery sergeant and/or the gunnery officer and maybe a
few days in the bomb dump to reflect on your sins.
We stole gun barrels from the Marines, head space gauges from the Army
and whatever we couldn't steal we bought with whiskey. :) Our officer
crew members could always get whiskey, even though we couldn't.
LZ
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:53:38 -0400, cj <...@charter.net
if shrub were still around he would invade new zeland
cj
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:25:13 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
And if Clinton were still around he would bomb an aspirin factory in
Indonesia.
LZ
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:11:03 -0400, Hunter Hampton <...@geemail.com
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:53:38 -0400, cj <...@charter.net
hahahahahaha! If that wasn't true it wouldn't be funny.
Hunter
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:52:53 -0400, "Carl A. in FL" <...@yahoo.com
"Hunter Hampton" <...@4ax.com...
Good grief, now the Liberal Liars even stoop to inventing non-existent
countries for Bush to invade!
Ignorance, thy name is 0bamite.
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Carl A. in FL
http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:39:12 -0600, "Max" <...@sbcglobal.net
"Carl A. in FL" <...@news.astraweb.com...
Yabbut Bush wouldn't have known the difference.
Max
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:35:33 -0500, "John A. Weeks III" <...@johnweeks.com
In article <...@newsfe13.iad cj <...@charter.net
Ha, ha, ha. See, I do have a sense of humor. What a funny
joke. What makes it so funny is that it is unfortunately just
what happened after 9/11. It turns out Bin Laden wasn't even
in Iraq, and Mr. Bush knew it.
-john-
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John A. Weeks III 612-720-2854 joh...@johnweeks.com
Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:12:29 -0600, "Max" <...@sbcglobal.net
"John A. Weeks III" <...@news-1.octanews.net...
You *really* think it's funny when it concerns our military who volunteer to
serve?
How sick can you be?
Max
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:39:04 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
And that aspirin factory Clinton bombed wasn't making poison gas either.
But the CIA thought it was, just as they thought Saddam
Hussein was on the brink of using weapons of mass destruction. At least
that is what many Democrats were claiming in 1998 when Clinton bombed
Baghdad.
LZ
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:05:47 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:12:29 -0600, "Max" <...@sbcglobal.netwrote:
I wonder if that jaws dickweed even realizes we didn't go into Iraq
until ~2 f'in years after 9/11 and he went then for a totally
different reason, that being a mandate from the U F'in N..
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If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:20:34 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Odds are good that Mr. Weeks couldn't find either Iraq or Afghanistan on
a world map.
And even with a homing device implanted in a certain orifice he couldn't
find his ass with either hand.
LZ
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:58:56 -0400, Matt Colie <...@nospam.net
You are amazing.
The 24 hijackers were trained in Baghdad. They trained there, came here
for flight training (three of the training schools sought to reject the
students, but federal authorities intervened). A dozen or so went back
to Baghdad in July for a refresher.
But,
We went into Iraq solely on a UN Mission we were commanded to assume by
the security council (we were supposed to have gotten more support than
actually materialized) only to enforce Resolution 1441.
Do some research other than listening to the DNC media.
Matt
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:13:12 -0400, Hunter Hampton <...@geemail.com
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:53:38 -0400, cj <...@charter.net
I guess Will doesn't think sending the Navy is not doing anything.
Hunter
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:07:09 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:13:12 -0400, Hunter Hampton
<...@geemail.com
The great novelist needs to cram 2-3 more negatives into her rather
stupid comment.
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If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:42:16 -0600, "Max" <...@sbcglobal.net
"Hunter Hampton" <...@4ax.com...
Would you repeat that please. <BG
I guess Will thinks that sending the Navy is "not doing anything".?
Max ("haste makes...............er......something or other)
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:47:47 -0400, Hunter Hampton <...@geemail.com
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:42:16 -0600, "Max" <...@sbcglobal.netwrote:
(c: Dang I miss GB
Hunter
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:43:28 -0400, bill horne <...@rye.net
But so far, the Navy is not doing anything, and the pirates have help
on the way.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:03:49 -0400, Hunter Hampton <...@geemail.com
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:43:28 -0400, bill horne <...@rye.netwrote:
That's not quite the case. There are armed guards on the ship now
steaming to port.
There are hostage negotiators dealing with the kidnappers.
Just for giggles, what would you have them do differently?
Hunter
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:56:23 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Sink every boat in their home harbor. Certainly we have satellite
photos that tell us where the pirate's "mother ships" sail out of?
LZ
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:09:03 -0400, "Carl A. in FL" <...@yahoo.com
"Lone Haranguer" <...@mid.individual.net...
Nonsense. Don't you realize that they are to be pitied, not persecuted? We
should give them visas to the US, scholarships to Harvard, and employment by
the State Department. After all, they are members of an endangered
minority. Show some Liberal compassion, for crying out loud.
--
Carl A. in FL
http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:17:36 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Personally I think the humanitarian thing to do then is to put them out
of their miserable existence by using whatever ordnance needs testing.
LZ
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:35:47 -0400, bill horne <...@rye.net
wow.
The only negotiations that'll work is how to deliver the money.
I'd have them give serious consideration to what this guy says:
http://www.voanews.com/english/Africa/2009-04-10-voa36.cfm
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:46:06 -0400, Hunter Hampton <...@geemail.com
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:35:47 -0400, bill horne <...@rye.netwrote:
Yes, but with this situation, right now, what would *you* do.
Hunter
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:05:43 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Locate the mother ship and tell the pirates that if they kill the
captain, the mother ship will become floating debris.
That's for starters. Next would come a major attack on their home
harbor where I would sink every ship, destroy all fuel storage tanks and
wipe out the
docks and piers.
One major attack instead of any "proportional" response BS.
LZ
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:41:28 -0400, bill horne <...@rye.net
They've got hostages on the ship steaming out to pick up the pirates.
I'd do that.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:26:06 -0400, "Peter Pan" <...@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info
"Hunter Hampton" <...@4ax.com...
Run over the lifeboat with the frigate and tell em sink or swim?
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:39:52 -0400, bill horne <...@rye.net
I would have been ready to shoot the bastards when the captain jumped
off the lifeboat. Then I would have shot the bastards. All of 'em.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:47:43 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Same here. And if the Navy wanted to court martial me for it, I'd have
told them to go ahead. But I think public opinion would have made them
reconsider.
LZ
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:45:11 -0400, Hunter Hampton <...@geemail.com
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:39:52 -0400, bill horne <...@rye.netwrote:
That's all? I would have blown all the fuckers heading there out of
the water. Then I would bomb their million dollar mansions and put
them back in mud huts....
When the dust settled, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone to even
say the word pirate in Somalia.
Hunter
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:00:06 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Good for you. But killing Africans is something I doubt Obama will do.
Instead a ransom will be paid by the shipping company
under the table while Obama and the State Department will lament paying
ransom. They may well even reimburse the shipping company on the sly.
Obama's trying to avoid the cowboy image and I expect the administration
to accommodate the pirates. Maybe when the spotlight is off and this
incident is over, he might get enough gumption to order a concerted
attack on the pirates. I don't see him attacking them now, while the
world is watching.
LZ
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:48:08 -0400, bill horne <...@rye.net
The ones heading out there are carrying hostages for defense against
just that. You gonna kill them, too?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:04:10 -0400, Hunter Hampton <...@geemail.com
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:48:08 -0400, bill horne <...@rye.netwrote:
Two ships are coming, one has hostages... I'd sink the one that
doesn't.
Hunter
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:35:24 -0400, bill horne <...@rye.net
Me, too. Unless they threaten to kill hostages if I do. And if I were
them, I would.
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bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:58:58 -0700, "Bruce S" <...@gmail.com
Say a prayer for the hostages and their families, then get on with
business - sink the ships and let everyone swim. the Navy will pick up
several survivors, and with any luck, they will be the hostages.
Bruce
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On 11 Apr 2009 08:09:01 -0500, nothermark <...@not.here
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:35:24 -0400, bill horne <...@rye.netwrote:
Message to Pirates - boat holdong hostages, stand by. harm a hostage
and this happens to you.
Message to Helicopter. Fire when ready. swoosh - bam, bam, bam
Message to remaining Pirate ship. Now we can talk about this...
Of course if the rescue shp is big enough was have other, larger, more
impressive options that can suddenly appear out of the sky. ;-0
http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20090405
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:00:07 -0400, Hunter Hampton <...@geemail.com
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:35:24 -0400, bill horne <...@rye.netwrote:
I suspect that's why the US is holding off.
I keep looking at that little red lifeboat and think why not simply
pick it up and put it on the Navy ship.
Hunter
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:09:39 -0400, "Carl A. in FL" <...@yahoo.com
"Hunter Hampton" <...@4ax.com...
That's the way Jack Bauer would handle it. Have some seals swim up to the
boat and throw a chemical through the hatch that would immobilize everybody
for 15 minutes. Have a helicopter pick up the boat and deliver it to the
Navy. Open the hatch and waste the perps - we can't put them into Gitmo,
can't we?
But 0bama doesn't have the balls to fight. He'd rather sue the scumbags.
--
Carl A. in FL
http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:20:35 -0400, Lee <...@bellsouth.net
Hi Carl
What I did not understand was when the Captain jumped over board
was there no one on the Navy ship watching? Seems to me that if
there was it would have been a good time to blow the lifeboat out
of the water.
L e e (in Florida)
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On 11 Apr 2009 08:12:02 -0500, nothermark <...@not.here
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:09:39 -0400, "Carl A. in FL"
<...@yahoo.com
Can't waste them on US property, might get a murder charge. Toss them
into the ocean for their buddies to pick up. humanitarian. put them
in life jackets then dump the ships garbage.
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:59:28 -0500, "Mike Simmons" <...@yhti.net
"Hunter Hampton" <...@4ax.com...
Spoken like a true conservative, Toots! There's hope fer you yet!!
;^)
Mike
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:13:41 -0400, Hunter Hampton <...@geemail.com
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:59:28 -0500, "Mike Simmons" <...@yhti.netwrote:
You know we haven't kicked ass since Hiroshima... its time we become
the most powerful country on the planet again.
Four guys, with rifles, are calling the shots and holding off a Navy
warship.... we look like a banana republic.
It's time to kick ass and take names.
Hunter
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:48:32 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Get used to it. Schumer said the days of a strong foreign policy are over.
LZ
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:02:28 -0500, "Mike Simmons" <...@yhti.net
"Hunter Hampton" <...@4ax.com...
Amen!!
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:46:10 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:13:41 -0400, Hunter Hampton
<...@geemail.com
We did so in 1991. I don't know your response then, but we did again
in 2001 . And then again in 2003 after a UN mandate to do so as
agreed to by virtually everyone in the Senate. But the last two
years, all you have done is condemn GWB for his deeds. Am I missing
sumpin'?
--
If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:43:18 -0700, "Bruce S" <...@gmail.com
Where have you been for the last six years?
Bruce
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:46:31 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:43:18 -0700, "Bruce S" <...@gmail.comwrote:
Bush Bashing!
--
If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 03:52:35 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"bill horne" <...@news.astraweb.com...
I think ideas like this sound simple but are difficult in reality.
From what I've read, the hostage captain didn't have his radio anymore to
communicate his intentions to the Bainbridge. (the pirates threw it
overboard). He apparently took advantage of being allowed to take a leak
over the side of the lifeboat to jump into the water. This was at
approximately midnight, and his captives immediately fired weapons either at
him or near him and he was quickly recaptured.
Not really much time for anyone on the Bainbridge to react, being over 200
yards away.
Also, contrary to what some may think, a small frigate like the Bainbridge
typically does not carry a compliment of Marines or Navy Seals aboard. They
would have to be flown in or transported in via other means. The 18 armed
military personnel put aboard the cargo ship are Navy, not Marines or Seals.
Regular Navy personnel are trained to run and operate a ship and it's
systems. They have small arms training, but it's minimal and they are not
trained for close, hand to hand combat or covert rescue missions like the
Seals or Marines are.
If the pirates are bringing in re-enforcements, those boats are basically
protected by the same level of leverage the existing lifeboat has, namely
the life of the existing hostage plus more.
This situation could become very dicey.
Eisboch
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 03:52:35 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.comwrote:
Virtually all of the ideas presented here to date are "difficult", and
made much moreso when the CIC has no clue. He is screwed whether he
micro-manages the situation or (as he has to date) does nothing by
jawbone.
The only "solution" I'm recommending is the one we SHOULD be using
daily: let the military leadership in the field do what they think is
necessary to protect our interests. No striped suit in DC can
possibly know what to do.
Will Sill
"Votes can be bought,
Respect can only be earned."
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:10:42 -0700, "Just plain Dusty" <...@OneAmeriREMOVETHIScanPatriot.com
True enough, and spot-on to boot.
I'm pretty sure that most folks in that area know who "the pirates" are and
where they hang out. I'm pretty sure that "our guys" can find them and
deliver a message as well. If they permitted me to do it, this is what I'd
say: "Good day, gentlemen. You have 24 hours from right now <presses
button on watch to start timercrew-well and unharmed, and yourselves into my custody at <name of some
salient, easily found point nearby
Failure to do so will result in a United States SEAL team assault on the
<name of the vessel being heldShould the ship or the crew be damaged or harmed in any way-your fault, our
fault, nobody's fault; we will use your bodies to learn who you were. We
will then track down and exterminate your entire family; men, women,
children and any other persons found in their homes with them, summarily
and without further trial. If any of your family attempt to hide or evade
prosecution, we will destroy the village, town, or city they are in or the
next nearest one to where they were last known to be.
Radar traffic reconstructions will tell us which ship carried you out to
the <name of the vessel being heldport harboring that vessel will be obliterated. Should the <name of the
vessel being heldthis operation, we will destroy two towns, villages, or cities on the coast
on each side of a line drawn from the <the name of the vessel being heldto the nearest land. This will continue until such operations cease. You
have 23 hours, 58 minutes and 42 seconds left in which to comply. <Turns
around and smartly departs
I suspect that if you did that once and started with dropping one of those
20,000 pounders on 'em, this business would.shall we say, "fold!"
But hey! That's just me and my built-in, bad-ass, "Don't tread on me!"
attitude.
As Will pointed out, with the CiC we have today, the closest we'll get to
the above will probably be: "Hey now! Why don't you just take this 100
billion dollars, and we'll see to it that we double that amount if you have
to go to the trouble of having to do this again..."
Dusty -- An ACORN street-thug/political-organizing group somewhere is
missing its useless idiot! Please send him back!
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Apr 11, 12:10 pm, "Just plain Dusty" <RV-
drag...@OneAmeriREMOVETHIScanPatriot.com
Aww Dusty....Why ya want to do all 'at messing around ??
Why not go over there an Nuke their Asses and end it quickly.
Yer gonna kill 'em all anyway...Ya been reading to many
spy novels.
HAW HAW
EWW
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:33:31 -0700, "Just plain Dusty" <...@OneAmeriREMOVETHIScanPatriot.com
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Nah. Too many or 'em spread out too far, as well as them being the
nucleous of a growing "cottage industry". Besides, nuking 'em won't leave
anybody left to "get" the message. You want to leave most of those near
them alive so that they can spread "the word" that you don't 'F' with the
boats that fly the S&S.
Nope. I used to live that life so I don't read those. I just don't like
to see little piss-ants like that impact our foreign policy in the negative
way the idjits in DC are going to shape this and up-coming events.
You should all put your seats into their full up-right positions and stow
your tray-tables. Make sure your seatbelts are fastened, and hang on. The
ride is gonna getting a lot more bumpy than smooth for some time to come...
Dusty
-- An ACORN street-thug/political-organizing group somewhere is missing
its useless idiot! Please send him back!
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:39:46 -0400, bill horne <...@rye.net
The Bainbridge is not a frigate - it's a destroyer, and it has .50 cal
machine guns. I would think they'd be manned in this situation, but I
don't know what the ROE's are for ships on pirate patrol.
I agree with that, but I certainly hope some SEALs are on the way.
The French special forces recently freed 4 of 5 hostages (one died) on
a hijacked yacht, and killed 2 of the 5 pirates
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 06:07:29 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"bill horne" <...@news.astraweb.com...
Your are right. I screwed up. I was thinking of one of the other ships
being called in, the USS Halyburton (FFG-40). As an old DE sailor from
the ancient Navy (1968-1977) I have a special fondness for the smaller DE's
that were reclassified at about the time I left the Navy to Frigates.
Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:48:38 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
One of my brothers did 2 tours in Korean waters aboard a destroyer. At
the inchon landing those of the crew not
assigned to other duties were at the rails firing their M-1 Garands at
targets on the beach.
They also sent armed patrols on shore at Pusan when that was the only
part of Korea we still controlled.
I hope the Navy has not forgotten annual small arms training. Even the
Air Force still does that.
LZ
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:21:37 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"Lone Haranguer" <...@mid.individual.net...
Actually, current Navy personnel are given more small arms training than I
initially received back in 1968. Both of my sons and my son-in-law did
their military obligation in the Navy. My youngest was discharged a little
over a year ago. They all had more initial indoctrination and follow-up
qualifying than I ever remember.
For a while I was stationed at a transmitter site in Ponce, Puerto Rico.
The local independence group were staging a protest against the US Navy
activity on the island and threatened to hack saw the coaxial cables that
fed the antennas in the antenna field. I was issued an old 45 and a clip
with one round in it and ordered to patrol the antenna field in a pickup
truck. I was required to keep the 45 holstered and the magazine with the
round in it in my pocket.
Felt like Barney Fife on "Andy of Mayberry".
Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:26:06 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
A real gun? I recall in basic training standing guard with a tent stake
for a "weapon".
Of course in the gunnery field we got to mess around with weapons a lot
more than the average AF dude but someone dropped the ball
when they sent AF weather personnel to be attached to the Army without
giving them additional training.
At that time M-14s were the standard weapon and they had never even seen
one. Most had qualified with an M-1 carbine which is almost a toy gun
compared to the heft and recoil of an M-14. We were a laughingstock on
the rifle range. How embarrassing. Fortunately I knew the guys in the
Advanced Marksmanship Unit and they were kind enough to give us extra
sessions to try to raise the standard.
LZ
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:51:05 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:39:46 -0400, bill horne <...@rye.netwrote:
Send in the Israeli forces.
--
If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:16:48 -0600, "Max" <...@sbcglobal.net
"bill horne" <...@news.astraweb.com...
Oh, the hell you say. The US Navy has it's work cut out for it don't they.
Somali pirates.
I personally would want as many of those MFers present as possible.
Their tactic is to threaten suicide if an attempt is made to capture them.
That way when I blow them out of the water the casualties would be more
impressive.
Max
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:10:21 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
I don't know how far the captain got when he made his attempted escape
but had the Navy been close enough they could have poured some rounds
into the lifeboat while he wasn't in it.
Or do they have orders to resolve the problem without hurting anyone?
I wouldn't be the least surprised if they had such orders. We don't
want anyone mad at us ya know.
LZ
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:58:55 -0700, "Dave Thompson" <...@invalid.invalid
"Lone Haranguer" <...@mid.individual.net...
The current position of the State Department as articulated by Secretary
Clinton is the hope that it be resolved with no loss of life. That implies
no shooting on the part of the Navy.
Dave Thompson
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:15:24 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Why play by the rules with those clowns? They got their wounded comrade
back in exchange for the captain and then reneged on the deal.
We don't owe them anything at this point, not even a decent funeral. If
we can kill them without endangering the captain, we shouldn't pass up
the opportunity.
LZ
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:25:04 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:10:21 -0700, Lone Haranguer
<...@gmail.com
I will bet the Navy has been ordered to stand down so we can put a
bailout package together.
--
If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:46:10 -0400, "Peter Pan" <...@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info
"JD" <...@4ax.com...
you do know that the navy isn't even onsite yet..... only a drone....
estimated late tonight/sunday arrival.....
bit hard to stand down when they aren't even there yet to stand up
oddly enuf, the ship itself has already docked (the Alabama is Docked in
Mombassa Kenya), and the FBI and news media are there, guess the law
enforcement and news are way faster than the military.....
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:58:02 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"Peter Pan" <...@earthlink.com...
Where have you been for the past 3 days? The USS Bainbridge has been
sitting about 200 yards from the lifeboat containing the pirates and the
hostage for the past 3 days. Another Navy ship, a Frigate, arrived
yesterday and a third is due shortly.
It's interesting how the story is every changing as reported by the press.
The latest version related to the captured German vessel piloted by pirates
that was supposed to go out and shield the lifeboat from the Bainbridge was
hailed by the latter before they even got close and ordered to not come any
closer. They returned to port. Same with some other smaller pirate
controlled boats. They decided that the US warship probably meant
business, so they booked it back to port.
Wimps.
Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:16:47 -0400, "Peter Pan" <...@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info
"Eisboch" <...@giganews.com...
which ship followed the alabama to kenya to dock? (and were they both there
when the cargo ship left, so one could follow it while the other stayed with
the lifeboat?) and for that matter, no need to shoot, why not just run it
(the lifeboat) over?
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:31:49 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"Peter Pan" <...@earthlink.com...
Based on what I understand, no ships escorted the cargo ship to Kenya.
A compliment of Navy personnel were put aboard to provide added security and
they rode the ship to port. The USS Bainbridge stayed on scene with the
lifeboat containing the 4 pirates and the hostage. It was later joined by
another Navy Frigate, yesterday.
As for ramming the lifeboat, why? The whole purpose of the standoff is to
try to secure the safe release of the American hostage.
Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:44:46 -0400, "Peter Pan" <...@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info
"Eisboch" <...@giganews.com...
so they have to decide if they want to sink or swim... Sort of like spike
strips on land.... Can we just drop an anchor on em and say oops? Saw that
in a movie once (Big ship dropped an anchor on a small boat)
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:04:14 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
You need to switch to Fox News and stay current with events.
LZ
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Apr 11, 5:04 pm, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
CNN reported this morning that a ship was about 100 yrds. from the LB
and
the capt. was swimming toward it when the pirates fire around him...
The ship crew didn't have time to do anything before
the pirates jumped in the warter and recaptured him.
Eddy
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:58:59 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
I think if a shooter had his gun trained on the raft and his finger on
the trigger he could have hosed them, even if he only had 20 seconds to
do it.
Most likely they have orders not to shoot without explicit permission
from U-NO-HOO.
LZ
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:17:45 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:58:59 -0700, Lone Haranguer
<...@gmail.com
I will bet big $$ that is the case. Like c-man (cigar man) Klinton
and Osama. He could never make up his mind. 'Course it is hard to
think when you have an ugly broad sucking you off!
--
If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:01:48 -0700, "Owen McKenzie" <...@escapees.com
My understanding from my reading is that the US ship is about 200 yards
away, and the captain was only in the water for "a few" seconds before the
pirates started firing. It wasn't clear where they were firing, in the air
or at the captain, although I believe they were probably firing to convince
him he couldn't escape that way.
--
Owen McKenzie
Posting from Mesa, AZ
Seeing, contrary to popular wisdom, isn't believing. It's where belief
stops, because it isn't needed any more.
Terry Pratchett
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On 11 Apr 2009 07:58:01 -0500, nothermark <...@not.here
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:01:48 -0700, "Owen McKenzie"
<...@escapees.com
I assume it didn't happen because a weapons system wasn't hot. It
would have been interesting to see what any of the smaller caliber
anti missile systems would have done to the lifeboat once the Captain
was in the water.
It the pirates are sending out a ship to rescue their buddies I would
regard it as a legitimate target. Perfect example for bargaining
purposes.
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:04:38 -0400, "Peter Pan" <...@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info
"nothermark" <...@4ax.com...
Hard to find out, but there was only one us ship onsite, and it followed
protected the cargo ship when it left....
The Bainbridge had arrived earlier Thursday near the Alabama and the
lifeboat. Maersk shipping company spokesman Kevin Speers told AP Radio the
lifeboat was out of fuel and "dead in the water."
The U.S. Navy sent up P-3 Orion surveillance aircraft and had video of the
scene.
Gen. David Petraeus, head of the U.S. Central Command, said more ships would
be sent to the area because "we want to ensure that we have all the
capability that might be needed over the course of the coming days." U.S.
officials said the guided-missile frigate USS Halyburton was among the ships
en route.
notice, one ship onsite (and it shadowed the cargo ship when it left, not
the lifeboat), the rest enroute.....
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:20:11 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"nothermark" <...@4ax.com...
What "smaller caliber" anti-missile system are you referring to?
I am not an expert on modern shipboard weapons but I don't know of
any other than maybe an RPG which would also likely have taken out the
hostage as well.
I hope the opportunity comes to blow the pirates to smithereens, but
meanwhile the
Navy is under rules of engagement that don't allow risking the hostage's
life with firepower. Firing at the lifeboat in the middle of the night from
over 200 yards with anything puts him at risk if he's on or anywhere near
the lifeboat.
Unless the ROE are changed or an opportunity arises that pretty much
precludes any danger to the hostage captain, the Navy's hands are tied.
The ships the pirates have called upon for reinforcements also have hostages
aboard.
These scum of the earth are presently holding over 200 hostages as prisoners
from previous
acts of piracy.
Tough call for those on the scene.
Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:14:49 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
And 200 yards is a piddling distance to someone with a properly scoped
sniper rifle. Even my old Remington 742 that I've had since '67
can put bullets in a 4" circle at 200 yards. I bought it in Germany and
they allow night hunting so I had an adjustable 4-10 power scope with a
60MM
objective lens. When you are only allowed to shoot a SPECIFIC animal,
you better be able to identify it.
I think the main problem is no one on the scene has the authority to do
anything. Every decision has to be cleared through Foggy Bottom and the
White House.
AKA "dithering central".
LZ
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:05:38 GMT, AJ <...@gmail.com
BINGO .. People say look we sent the Navy to patrol .. so what
.. these are 4 piss ant terrorists that are holding what used to be
the most powerful nation in the world at bay... and another US
flagged ship has been captured by these terrorists. If we can do
nothing but wring our hands then maybe we should dock the Navy and use
the money saved to pay all the ransoms that will result.
--
Jim
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:17:51 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
And you can bet the farm that the entire world is watching to see
exactly how we handle this situation.
Whether Obama and his handlers realize it or not, how this situation is
resolved will either upgrade or downgrade our future security.
LZ
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:36:36 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"Lone Haranguer" <...@mid.individual.net...
I am far from being a supporter or fan of Obama, but I think he is handling
this situation appropriately. He is reserving public comment and keeping
the pirates and their supporters guessing. No one is in immediate danger,
so allowing professional negotiators to do their job is the right move.
That doesn't mean paying a ransom. It means the slow process of convincing
the pirates that their situation is hopeless and surrender is in their best
interests.
Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:22:42 -0400, "Peter Pan" <...@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info
"Eisboch" <...@giganews.com...
I think we should run over the lifeboat... Sink or swim will speed things
up..... I would think seeing the water coming up, knowing they are 250+
miles from shore, would convince them real quick that it's hopeless
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:01:34 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
More likely is that he and his handlers don't have a clue as what course
to take so they are just having meetings and stalling, hoping the
captain escapes or
the pirates get hungry.
No one is in
The "professional negotiatiors" probably went to the same FBI
negotiating school that did such a great job with the Davidians.
That doesn't mean paying a ransom. It means the
And if they don't value their lives that highly and would rather make
their point by killing the captain and committing suicide?
I doubt most of the Beltway gang has the faintest clue as to how to deal
with people having the pirate's background.
They couldn't even handle dealing with the civilized people who were
killed at Waco and they think they can out-maneuver some primitive
pirates operating on a completely different value system?
I'll have to see this happen. My bet is we will probably starve them
out simply by waiting. This would have been a good strategy at Waco but
the FBI/ATF wanted revenge so they rushed it. In this hostage case,
waiting does not make us look like a superpower. It makes us look like
some ineffectual backwater republic.
LZ
> Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:35:54 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"Lone Haranguer" <...@mid.individual.net...
I know this may make me sound like a liberal which I am far from, but the
outcome of this may make us look smart.
These pirates are Muslims, but they are not the religious nutcases that want
to die for 72 virgins or strap bombs around their waist and blow themselves
up in the name of Allah. They are nothing but hoodlums and gangs, but they
want to live. Otherwise, a multi-million dollar ransom would be
meaningless to them.
The FBI has screwed up before, but they've also done very well. They have
trained experts that know how to deal with people under enormous stress and
pressure.
Since no one is in immediate danger, let them do their thing, IMO.
Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:47:03 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Might, but no matter the outcome the spin will try to make it look that
way. However the world isn't always fooled
by White House spinmeisters and the ACTUAL story will leak out.
Really? It all depends on which Mullah they heard last.
or strap bombs around their waist and blow
I think you are in over your head. The Palestinian suicide bombers
routinely killed themselves after being assured their families would
be getting $25K.
They have? Give us some examples. The people they were dealing with
weren't always the brightest bulbs.
They
We saw those in action at Waco and Ruby Ridge. I was not impressed.
I think we'd be better off not talking to the pirates at all. Just
watching and waiting would be harder on their nerves. Just negotiating
with them is already
a sign of weakness. They double-crossed the crew when they got their
wounded pal back, why trust them to negotiate in good faith now?
They made their demands. We should make our demands and tell them to
call us when they are ready to accept them.
LZ
> Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:59:43 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"Lone Haranguer" <...@mid.individual.net...
I'd go along with that. But then again, I am not much of a negotiator.
Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:39:56 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
I don't consider myself a good negotiator either but I once spent 4
straight hours negotiating a complicated real estate deal with a CPA who
was a real prick.
The other broker in the deal had gotten so pissed he took a hike and
returned to just watch and seethe. When we finally agreed and the guy
left the broker said he'd been in the business 25 years and he would
never have lasted that long. I'm not always patient but I can be when
properly motivated. In this case I just didn't want the old owner to
get screwed and taken advantage of.
LZ
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:18:03 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:05:38 GMT, AJ <...@gmail.com
Our ships wil now be attacked on a daily basis. I hope the hnwaic is
happy!
--
If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:46:02 -0400, "Peter Pan" <...@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info
"JD" <...@4ax.com...
not sure what you mean, us flagged vessels have been getting hijacked for
years (note the word HIJACKED, they've been hijacking us flagged boats in
miami for years, heck they even hijack aircraft!) the term pirated was only
started being used again a few years ago.... you never heard about
boats/sailboats from southern florida(and elsewhere) being hijacked and the
crew held for ransom? have no clue who started that bilge about no pirate
attacks on a us flagged vessel for 200 years, but hint, they have been
HIJACKED (even for ransom) for years....
maybe it's a word thing, one of our presidents essentially declared a war on
piracy, and the next administration discouraged use of the word piracy
wanted us to use the wordhijack instead, sort of like their used to be
terrorists/a war on terrorism, but now we have to call it something else....
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:05:51 -0400, "Peter Pan" <...@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info
"William Boyd" <...@news.x-privat.org...
Sure it wasn't Cargo or Commercial? Standard 20 and 40 ft containers haven't
been around that long (for sure not 200 years, how could a "container" ship
be pirated if cargo "containers" weren't in use yet?)....
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:25:30 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:46:02 -0400, "Peter Pan"
<...@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info
I don't believe we have had a ship hijacked in 200+ years. I am not
including pleasure/private boats.
--
If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:44:49 -0400, "Peter Pan" <...@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info
"JD" <...@4ax.com...
Commercial, probably no, but then again there are only 16 US flagged
commercial vessels, and thousands of pleasure/private boats, and remember to
use the term pirated instead of hijacked... Odd distiction, so a boat
chartered for fishing or a cruise, that gets hijacked/pirated, but the capt
of it registers it as non commercial, so he saves 10 of thousands in
registration fees, can't legally be hijacked/pirated? Is that one of those
silly word things like you can't be killed by a bomber cuz they are now
called suicide bombers and not homicide bombers?
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:07:11 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:44:49 -0400, "Peter Pan"
<...@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info
From Black's Law Dictionary -
Piracy. Those acts of robbery and depradation upon the high seas
which, if committed on land, would have amounted to a felony.
Brigandage committed on the sea or from the sea. Whoever, on the high
seas, commits the crime of piracy as defined by the law of nations,
and is afterwards brought into or found in the United Statss, shall be
imprisoned for life.
Hijacking - Robbery of goods while in transit, commonly from trucks.
May involve robbery of only goods or of bothvehicle and goods.
As you can see, under the Admiralty Laws, hijacking is not applicable.
These are the acts of Pirates doing piracy.
--
If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:11:31 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Oh for the good old days when they hung them up to dry in the sun.
LZ
> Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:28:22 -0400, bill horne <...@rye.net
What these people seem to be mostly doing is shipnapping and
kidnapping for ransom.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:19:23 -0400, Hunter Hampton <...@geemail.com
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:05:38 GMT, AJ <...@gmail.com
So, you would sacrifice all the hostages if you were in charge?
Hunter
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:32:08 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Maybe. I certainly would not pay a ransom. Hostages would become
"collateral damage" as in any war if that was the only
way to get the pirates to be the losers. The stakes are too high to
allow them to become the winners in this confrontation.
Did you whine when Clinton bombed Serbia for 78 days and killed a couple
of thousand civilians? Basically we bombed their infrastructure to
force them to
allow occupation of one of their major provinces. Then we offered them
cash if they would dump their president. All this with the approval and
support of
our liberals. Then these same liberals had the gall to criticize Bush
about Gitmo as if they stood on higher moral ground.
Give us a break. The hypocrisy of liberals knows no bounds. We know
that whatever Obama decides to do the liberals will cheer him as being a
genius.
I'm keeping barf bags handy.
LZ
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:55:37 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"Lone Haranguer" <...@mid.individual.net...
Not to argue, but there's a fine line between "collateral" damage to
civilian innocents and willingly condemning them to certain death. More
often than not a strike on a enemy that may cause collateral damage is
warned about in advance, allowing the civilians a chance to evacuate, should
they desire to. The strike is not intended to produce civilian
casualties, although that's where the fine legal or moral line exists
because it usually does. In the case of a hostage situation where the
hostage's life is the bargaining chip, to ignore that and strike anyway is a
different issue. That's why Rules of Engagement exist and why they are
modified depending on the situation by higher authority.
Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:02:20 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Bullshit. It's all in which side you believe later......as in the
Chinese Embassy in Serbia.
More
Then you don't know a thing about how we bombed Serbia.
The strike is not intended to produce civilian
You must live in a different world than the one I live in. The pirates
have the same moral code as the people who flew aircraft into
the WTC. Causing civilian casualties is the primary goal. The people
on ships are civilians. The pirates are the ones who did the targeting
and put them in harm's way. Any harm coming to them NOW is strictly
THEIR responsibility. They hold the cards.
In the case of a hostage situation where the
SWAT teams do it all the time. Take a chance that they nail the bad guy
and if the hostage dies, too bad. We tried.
That's why Rules of Engagement exist and why
The Rules of Engagement are something thought up after the fact, in most
cases. If things turn out badly, the perps lie about the Rules of
Engagement so as to place blame elsewhere. Usually the media helps them
get away with it. Remember Ruby Ridge?
Anyone go to jail for obvious premeditated murder? Nope.
LZ
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:11:33 -0400, Hunter Hampton <...@geemail.com
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:55:37 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.comquoted LZ:
You mean like Waco?
If Obama went into that lifeboat, guns blazing, you would be screaming
that he murdered the hostage.... ad nauseam.
I'm pretty sure that Obama isn't calling the shots. He has people on
his staff who are making the decisions. Those in the Pentagon, the FBI
negotiators...
Hunter
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:24:23 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"Hunter Hampton" <...@4ax.com...
For the record, you are attributing the quoted section to the wrong person.
Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:26:08 -0400, Hunter Hampton <...@geemail.com
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:24:23 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.comwrote:
I attributed it to LZ, who was it?
Hunter
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:09:40 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Contrary to White House propaganda, there were no hostages at Waco.
There was absolutely no reason not to wait them out.
Where did I say that would be my solution? Personally I would let them
run out of food if no other opportunity presented itself. Just as the
feds should have done at Waco. We don't know if the pirates have that
much patience though.
They may be giving advice but Obama will be calling the shots. Unless
the results don't turn out favorably, THEN it will be someone else
getting the credit.
He's an obvious control freak and neither he nor his handlers will ever
accept blame. Credit yes, blame no.
LZ
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:31:15 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:11:33 -0400, Hunter Hampton
<...@geemail.com
Obama calls ALL the shots. He may get input from advisors but it has
been clear from the beginning, HE calls all the shots.
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If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:02:03 GMT, AJ <...@gmail.com
And you would risk all future hostages because the terrorists now
know that we will do nothing that will cost them anything. We need to
make the cost to the terrorists too high for them to continue their
business.. They have assets that we should take out wherever we can
find them. They have already shown that they are not good to their
word so we should just treat them like what they are terrorists! If
this was an Israeli flagged ship would we be having this debate????
Their language reminds me of organized crime as they talk about
defending themselves.
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Jim
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:13:54 -0400, Hunter Hampton <...@geemail.com
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:02:03 GMT, AJ <...@gmail.com
Whoa, I wrote that last night... what makes you think I've changed my
mind?
You mean like when I said we should take out their mansions and put
them back into mud huts?
What debate?
You didn't answer my question, would you sacrifice the hostage?
Hunter
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:25:41 GMT, AJ <...@gmail.com
I would take some action whose desired result would be freedom for
the hostage(s). If that did not happen I would continue to raise the
cost to the terrorists till piracy was no longer profitable for them.
What do you propose to do about all the future hostages once the
terrorists are sure we will do nothing but posture??? It might just
be that one life might have to be traded for tens or hundreds in the
future.
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:13:36 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Many people are not thinking that far ahead. Unfortunately. They
identify with the present hostage and
future hostages don't exist to them.
You can't expand the mind of other people. I've tried that and you may
as well try it on rocks.
LZ
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:38:29 -0400, Hunter Hampton <...@geemail.com
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:25:41 GMT, AJ <...@gmail.com
Like what?
If that did not happen I would continue to raise the
I understand. What would you do to save the hostage?
So, you would sacrifice the hostage?
See, I think the US government wants to insure his safety before they
take any aggressive action. He did save the lives of his crew... no
matter if he lives or dies he's a real hero... and I think the US is
doing what they can to keep him safe.
The kidnappers have no food, no water and possibly aren't even in
agreement about their plight right now. I don't think we'll have to
wait too long before this thing will be resolved one way or the other.
Your reactions are mild compared to my feelings, but I think this
hostage needs to be kept alive.
Hunter
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:54:03 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
I would stop talking to the pirates. I'd cut off their communications
by jamming any frequency they try to use.
I'd tell them to let the hostage go or their home port with all their
relatives would be bombed into rubble and that would be my final word.
The ball would be in their court. Let them fight among themselves about
the decision.
LZ
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:24:48 -0700, "Frank Howell" <...@yahoo.com
I would send you there and with a megaphone you could talk them to death.
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Frank Howell
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:34:03 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Not a bad idea and smarter than anything we've tried so far.
#################
A small naval party from one of the warships approached the lifeboat on
Saturday, but was forced back when the pirates opened fire, CNN reported
from Bahrain, where the US Fifth Fleet is based.
The naval party retreated back to its mother ship without further
incident to avoid antagonizing the situation any further, CNN said,
citing a US official familiar with the situation.
********************
I thought they were going to play it cool?
***************
Pirate hostage standoff intensifies
April 12, 2009 - 12:49PM
Negotiations over American captain Richard Phillips held hostage by
Somali pirates aboard a small boat have collapsed after US officials
insisted that the pirates be arrested after Phillips's return, The New
York Times reports.
################
So far we have sent a small boat to their vicinity which departed in
haste when shots were fired.
What was that in aid of? The world's biggest superpower running like
scared chickens from 4 scruffy pirates.
In the negotiations, we insisted the pirates be turned in for
prosecution after freeing their captive.... That ended negotiations.
Another stupid blunder. You don't threaten punishment while they have a
hostage.
Obama is following the Clinton example of treating terrorism and piracy
as mere criminal acts. Have you forgotten what a flop this policy was
under
Clintoon?
Our ship of state is being steered by a total doofus who can't read maps
and doesn't know what a GPS is.
LZ
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:11:39 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:24:48 -0700, "Frank Howell"
<...@yahoo.com
Thats what 0bammy is doing.
--
If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:07:43 -0700, "Bruce S" <...@gmail.com
While I agree that 200 yards is fairly trivial, the problem is that the
sniper would b e shooting from a moving boat, at a moving boat. The shot
would have to be perfect, or the hostage would die. This is a case where a
4" circle is aobut 3.5" too big.
Bruce
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:26:03 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Actually the lifeboat with the pirates and hostage is "dead in the
water" according to earlier reports.
There is no reason someone on a large ship could not hit a man-size
target at 200 yards. I've shot running deer at 300 yards with one shot
in Wyoming
and several where it took a couple of rounds, using dust kicked up to
correct my lead.
As a B-26 gunner we shot at stationary ground targets at night while
zooming along at speeds over 200 MPH. Gun emplacements that fired
tracers were often destroyed on my first burst and in one instance I hit
an ammo truck heading south while we were inbound to our target (heading
north) at 250 Knots at 8,000 ft. I'd seen the blackout lights on the
ground and got permission to test fire. One short burst and the sky lit
up for 20 miles in all directions. Our photo flash camera mounted in
the tail was triggered and got it all on film. Being a good shot is a
matter of practicing and discipline. The AMU guys at Grafenwohr shot at
paper saucers from 1,000 meters using customized M-14s. No scopes were
used either.
We have better shots and better equipment these days, I'm sure. Heck, I
bet bill H. could handle it.
LZ
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Apr 11, 5:26 pm, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Shit Linus....I got that beat...Back before I wore glasses (20/15
vision then}
I shot onea them Canada Honkers when he was coming to land
on Lake Anhuac (sp) in S E Texas.
He was about 200 yds., about 20 off the water and I use a
.22 Mag pistol...One shot and he was down...
BH or you ain't got nuthin on me....LOL
Eddy
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:22:53 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Damn! That's good. I'd have run to town and bought a lottery ticket.
Just to mention that weird things can happen, I was sitting out on my
front patio one evening, using my pellet gun to snipe at rabbits heading
for my garden.
When I decided to go inside, I didn't want the gun loaded and cocked so
I just pointed it up in the air and fired off the pellet. There is a
big ash tree overhanging the patio and after my shot a dead chipmunk
came tumbling down. I had no idea he was even up there. What are the odds?
LZ
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:11:59 -0700, "Bruce S" <...@gmail.com
Both boats are still bobbing up and down in the water as well as moving with
the waves. Makes for a lot of movement.
Man sized is not the issue. When you are shooting at someone who is holding
a hostage, you MUST completely stop him - meaning make it impossible for him
to even pull the trigger one time - or he can still shoot the hostage. Even
at point blank range, a shot in the heart will leave the crook alive for at
least 10 seconds so he can take that shot. What that means is that to
insure an instant stop, all brain function must stop as soon as the bullet
hits. I might think twice about taking that shot under those conditions if
the hostage meant anything to me.
Bruce
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:32:10 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
I'd have to be there to judge but many, many times I have shot flying
ducks while sitting or standing in a bobbing canoe. You compensate with
body motion.
I'd certainly be willing to give it a try, any time.
Once the hostage was in the water I would have been pouring fire into
the boat. Would they have returned fire to save themselves or
focused on the escaping prisoner? He could swim underwater and just
surface occasionally, ya know. How big was the opening he escaped through?
If you are hit with a .50 caliber, you will be immobilized, I don't care
where you get hit.
Ever heard of one of these? Barrett Firearms is the premiere
manufacture of .50-caliber sniper rifles. ... The Model 82A1 series
rifle is a rugged, dependable semi-automatic rifle. ...
With these some of our snipers can kill people a mile away. I don't
think you've been keeping up with developments in weapons.
In any case, I doubt anyone on the Navy ship could make that decision.
LZ
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:51:13 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"Lone Haranguer" <...@mid.individual.net...
Only problem is that you have to see what you are sniping.
The pirates and hostage are in an enclosed lifeboat and only come out
briefly to piss.
Which one will you shoot?
Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:13:28 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
When the hostage was in the water I would have opened fire on the boat
or anyone that stuck their head out.
Had I been the ship commander I would have had a few shooters with their
guns trained and fingers on the trigger at all times.
Of course I assume he is under strict orders to do no such thing. But
after the Cole incident I'm not too impressed with how our ship
commanders think.
LZ
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:01:56 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"Lone Haranguer" <...@mid.individual.net...
That's too bad. I have the utmost respect for them and their training.
Far more professional than the old Navy I was in.
Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:30:11 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:01:56 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.comwrote:
You can bet your ass that 0bammy has slapped a lid on the principals
in the matter and the truth will not come out.
--
If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:42:01 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Really? If you were the commander of the Cole would you have had
sailors waving at boats headed toward your ship instead of shooting at them?
You must have been in the Navy when Zumwalt was running it.
LZ
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 05:23:24 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"Lone Haranguer" <...@mid.individual.net...
I was and I remember his influences. Some were good, some not so good.
I went *in* in 1968 and left active duty in 1977.
He was CNO from '70 to '74.
Regardless, if you were to go visit a modern Navy warship and talk to the
crew, both commissioned and enlisted, I think you would be very impressed
with the commitment and professionalism they exude.
Eisboch
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 07:22:38 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
If you say so. I don't get to see sailors much but I see a lot of Army
troops.
By and large they seem pretty competent and morale is a lot higher than
during the Clinton years.
LZ
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 07:54:43 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
A small naval party from one of the warships approached the lifeboat on
Saturday, but was forced back when the pirates opened fire, CNN reported
from Bahrain, where the US Fifth Fleet is based.
The naval party retreated back to its mother ship without further
incident to avoid antagonizing the situation any further, CNN said,
citing a US official familiar with the situation.
********************
I thought they were going to play it cool?
***************
Pirate hostage standoff intensifies
April 12, 2009 - 12:49PM
Negotiations over American captain Richard Phillips held hostage by
Somali pirates aboard a small boat have collapsed after US officials
insisted that the pirates be arrested after Phillips's return, The New
York Times reports.
Phillips has been held hostage since Wednesday.
***************
I wouldn't have made that stupid request at this time. How does this
help negotiations?
Dummkopf Obama must be calling the shots.
LZ
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:18:07 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 07:54:43 -0700, Lone Haranguer
<...@gmail.com
I would have told them, we will let you go if you let Cap'n Phillips
go. When the exchange is complete, blow their asses out of the water
and laugh all the way home.
--
If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:42:08 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Even if we promise them amnesty they won't believe it. Nor would I
trust them to release the hostage based on their promises.
Now they are paddling/drifting back to Somalia. Maybe we should send
the SEALS in to make holes in the boat?
Or string a net between two anchored buoys?
Wringing hands and holding meetings does not seem to be solving
anything. Meanwhile our enemies are laughing at our impotence and
consider our Messiah as a eunuch selling stud services. Long on
promises....short on delivering.
LZ
> Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:43:31 -0400, "Peter Pan" <...@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info
"Lone Haranguer" <...@mid.individual.net...
What makes you think that ANYTHING will be done?
Let's face it, You think the bailouts waste money, what has this
administration (or for that matter the world) done recently? Why pay taxes
for armed forces that don't do diddly?
is anything any better? has the ethnic cleansing in darfur stopped (only
slowed down cuz theres less people to kill).. is N korea shooting missles?
is iran moving to nukes?
even the aspirin factories are safe under the current administration... so
why pay taxes for a military that won't be used? (one good thing, save the
aspirin factories from missles, the worlds gonna need em)
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:04:11 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Obama will need to polish his image. He can't have those clay feet showing.
Maybe they'll suffer a communications breakdown and take action on their
own?
Well, the UN said the bad guy was under arrest. Only one problem. The
bad guy is in Darfur and the UN is in New York.
is N korea shooting
Only way to find out if they work or not.
is iran moving to nukes?
Since day one.
The CIA is shivering in their boots. Leon Panetta is the boss and you
can't tell him anything Obama doesn't want to hear.
They may be needed to stop the tax protesters?
(one good thing,
I'm more worried about the breweries and distilleries...
LZ
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Anonymous Wrote:
From early reports, it appears the military on site did the right
things, except perhaps by not killing all four thugs. It remains to
be seen whether BH0 influenced events in any way or whether he'll just
take the credit. Guesses?
Will Sill
"Votes can be bought,
Respect can only be earned."
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:44:33 -0400, bill horne <...@rye.net
No need to guess.
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Phillips was in "imminent danger" of being killed before U.S. Special
Operations forces shot the pirates in an operation personally approved
by Obama, U.S. officials said.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-04-12-captain-rescued_N.htm
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:59:56 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
I was happy to see they did exactly as I recommended. They were primed
to shoot and when the captain did his dive,
the pirates were perforated by snipers. The one who survived was
talking on the Navy ship when it happened.
A big cheer to them from shooters everywhere although I understand they
were close enough to nearly cause powder burns.
Those E-V-I-L guns did the job they were designed for.
LZ
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:32:19 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"Lone Haranguer" <...@mid.individual.net...
As *you* recommended?
Please.
You recommended nothing of the sort.
Kudos to Obama for not negotiating with terrorists for ransom.
Kudos to the Navy for pulling off a very difficult rescue.
LZ, I suggest you go back to your memoirs of 1950's military tactics.
Eisboch
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:32:09 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
When the hostage was in the water I would have opened fire on the boat
or anyone that stuck their head out.
Had I been the ship commander I would have had a few shooters with their
guns trained and fingers on the trigger at all times. "
*****************
Sent yesterday at 6:42 PM
Which is EXACTLY the course of action that was taken. You are one
dishonest motherfucker.
But he was negotiating. Is your memory defective? You were telling us
yesterday how great those FBI negotiators were that Obama sent to the scene.
All they did was get the negotiations halted which put the hostage in
serious danger. When this happened the pirates in the lifeboat became
"extremely agitated" according to the hostage.
Thanks to the shooters for doing what they train for.
What were you trained for? Peeling potatoes?
Unlike you, I stay current with equipment and plans which work.
LZ
> Eisboch
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:18:33 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
One question remains. Why is the media calling this a "firefight" when
apparently all 3 dead pirates were executed by "sniper" fire simultaneously?
The range is said to be "25-30 meters". This is shooting ducks on the
water, especially for trained snipers.
A "firefight" supposes that bullets were going in both directions. From
news reports this is not the case, it was simple execution prior to trial.
Which, as far as I'm concerned, was perfectly justified under the
circumstances.
Not to say that Spain or The Netherlands won't prosecute us for war
crimes now or condemn us in the UN for "hasty actions".
I suggest we recover the pirate's corpses and ransom them back to the
families. See how they like being the victims.
LZ
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:56:21 -0500, William Boyd <...@hotmail.com
The problem with the rules of maritime shipping is the treaty drawn up
by the UN preventing merchant ships from arming their selves. What is
the difference between merchant ships and war ships. Is it the lack of
training of the merchant ships crews. Can't the Navy, maybe ride the
merchant ships and be armed for the ships self defense.
Information just announced was the arming of merchant crews was the ship
owners call. I find that hardly believable, it was a ships crew member
providing that information. I would rather think that crew armed their
selves with out the UN being aware of it.
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BILL P.
&
DOG
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:26:22 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:56:21 -0500, William Boyd
<...@hotmail.com
But, as usual, WE follow the rules and to not carry weapons. And
guess what folks, the bad guys DO. Whaddaya know?
They cheat. Huh.
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If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:17:47 -0700, JD <...@gmail.com
I heard that the commanders over there (over there, dah de dah, dah de
dah... But I digress), asked 0bammy twice if they could fire
(presumably at a good opportunity) and were told "Yes" twice. Question
... if they had permission once, why the hell ask again? Sounds like
0bammy cover to me. I'm betting he said no at least to the first
request and prolly to the second but they went ahead on their own.
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If your nose runs and your feet smell, you are built upside down!
$$$$$$$$$%%
Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:56:32 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
In real life they probably kept an open line. From the Bainbridge to
whatever admiral has jurisdiction over it, to the Pentagon and from the
Pentagon to the
White House. Messages had to be relayed and with communications' lag
time this is just not a good way to handle such a situation where
microseconds are
critical.
Study the times when the CIA tried to launch on Bin Laden or when our
ship (the Liberty) was under attack by the Israelis.
Lots of messages back and forth, all too late to have an effect.
LZ
> Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:47:26 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"nothermark" <...@4ax.com...
The Phalanx is an great defensive weapon against a missile attack, but you
couldn't use it in this situation. It will only fire on moving targets
approaching the ship and that have a velocity within a certain range which
is how it gets it's radar locked accuracy.
Furthermore, it isn't designed to shoot at the angle that would be required
to hit the lifeboat.
Do do so would enable it to hit the ship it's mounted on.
It also fires depleted uranium rounds. Anything within the general
proximity of the target is shredded. Goodbye hostage.
Eisboch
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On 12 Apr 2009 10:41:01 -0500, nothermark <...@not.here
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:47:26 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.comwrote:
I guess you skipped the links. From Wikipedia:
Does surface boats:
The Block 1B PSuM (Phalanx Surface Mode, 1999) adds a forward looking
infrared (FLIR) sensor to allow the weapon to be used against surface
targets. This addition was developed to provide ship defense against
small vessel threats and other "floaters"
Not DU:
The rounds are armor-piercing tungsten penetrator rounds with
discarding sabots.
If I was running the show there would be a unit tracking the lifeboat
and somebody with his finger near the fire button.
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:26:03 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"nothermark" <...@4ax.com...
Right. Thankfully, you are not running the show.
Eisboch
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:22:47 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
And your vaunted negotiators screwed the pooch and endangered the
hostage more than any other factor.
I don't think you know much about shooting. Maybe you should attend a
shooting demonstration sometime?
I recall one Wyoming deer hunting trip in the late '70s. Our host had
some shirt-tail relatives visiting who he wanted to be rid of but
they couldn't seem to fill their tags. He asked us to help out so I
told him to put me at the end of a drive. 4 whitetails came out at full
throttle and 4 quick shots later they were all lying in a row. We waved
at his relatives and departed for our own hunting area. Our party of
hunters did not consider it a big deal but
the yahoos stood there with their chins drooping.
LZ
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On 12 Apr 2009 20:56:02 -0500, nothermark <...@not.here
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:26:03 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.comwrote:
Seems like somebdoy that thinks like me did. It will be interesting
to find out the details tomorrow.
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:12:07 -0500, "Ron Recer" <...@aol.com
<...@4ax.com...
A. Nothing.
B. Make a strong statement about how they better never do that again.
C. Issue a statement about it being the ships fault for being in that part
of the world.
D. Ignore the situation.
E. Apologize for a US flagged ship contributing to global warming by sailing
the worlds oceans.
Take your pick. Please note most of these are not original and some were
used extensively in the late 90's.
Ron
PS I know better than to get into these discussions, but I just can't help
myself!
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:12:07 -0500, "Ron Recer" <...@aol.comwrote:
Will:
RR:
The veracity of an idea is not determined by how many
people agree with it - but by truth.
The trouble with you is that you understand what's going on better
than most.
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:02:06 -0400, "Carl A. in FL" <...@yahoo.com
"Ron Recer" <...@news.astraweb.com...
You forgot F. ----
Carl A. in FL
http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/
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On 11 Apr 2009 07:47:13 -0500, nothermark <...@not.here
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:02:06 -0400, "Carl A. in FL"
<...@yahoo.com
You mean the US arms industry didn't supply those Chinese AK-47's and
the Russian RPG's?
;-)
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:43:06 -0500, "John A. Weeks III" <...@johnweeks.com
In article <...@news.astraweb.com "Ron Recer" <...@aol.com
You must not be following the new. Mr. Obama sent the US Navy, and
air craft carrier, and unmanned drones. The a Navy ship is along
side the escape boat and preventing it from moving towards shore.
Marines have been deployed to the cargo ship to provide armed protection
as it moves towards its destination. This multi-million dollar
commitment of troops and equipment is hardly nothing or ignoring the
situation.
Most ocean-going ships burn heavy bunker oil, which is basically the
sludge left over from refining oil. This stuff burns poorly and gives
of huge quantities of particulate matter. This causes breathing problems
and lung cancer. Shipping industry studies say that thousands of
deaths each year are caused by this bunker oil exhaust. The problem has
gotten bad enough that the US Navy is converting away from bunker oil,
and it is in the process of being banned by many countries. You bet
someone should have to apologize for this huge loss of life.
-john-
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:18:52 -0600, "Max" <...@sbcglobal.net
"John A. Weeks III" <...@news-1.octanews.net...
My understanding is that the ship in question uses *boiler fuel", the same
fuel that is used, (when appropriate, depending on fuel costs and other
factors) by El Paso Electric in a generating plant not far from where I
live. If that's the fuel you refer to, by all means provide me with enough
facts that I can use them to start a protest against El Paso Electric.
Max
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:19:47 -0400, Matt Colie <...@nospam.net
The US naval forces moved in, but the order to fire on approaching
Somali reinforcements was reversed by someone in the administration.
"You may attempt to keep them at bay by your presents."
What you know about modern ship operations is so minute that, if the
total was put in your left eye, it would not bother you at all. All of
the information in the above paragraph is BS.
Matt
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:40:46 -0400, Hunter Hampton <...@geemail.com
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:19:47 -0400, Matt Colie <...@nospam.netwrote:
They're giving them gifts? <g
Hunter
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:42:14 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"Lone Haranguer" <...@mid.individual.net...
Using the German ship as a shield was a dumb idea anyway. The Bainbridge
could easily have disabled it's ability to maneuver without causing loss of
life.
Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:28:29 -0500, William Boyd <...@hotmail.com
We are in this mess because we did not take definitive action with the
first act the pirates committed. When only a few hostages were involved.
Now they know no one will prevent their pillage.
--
BILL P.
&
DOG
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:44:06 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"William Boyd" <...@news.x-privat.org...
Who's "we"? The containership was the first US flagged vessel boarded by
the pirates in over 200 years.
Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:06:02 -0500, William Boyd <...@hotmail.com
Maybe so but I'll bet many of the other ships seized were U.S. owned.
Every one expects the U.S. to protect all interests.
--
BILL P.
&
DOG
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:39:04 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"William Boyd" <...@news.x-privat.org...
Ah, you are learning well, young one.
Maybe if we focus on taking care of us before taking care of everyone else
things will change.
Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:56:31 -0500, William Boyd <...@hotmail.com
Damed you must be a very old fart to be calling me young one.
Never the less, if they would blockade the life boat and any other group
of Pirates (separately), I do not think the pirates would do any thing
to their hostages. Then wait them out.
--
BILL P.
&
DOG
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:30:00 -0400, "Peter Pan" <...@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info
"William Boyd" <...@news.x-privat.org...
note the wording, it is the first us flagged CONTAINERSHIP that was boarded
by PIRATES, not just any old ship/vessel. many others have beeen boarded by
hijackers/pirates (used to just be called hijackers) and the people held for
ransom, matter of fact #53 on the NYT list was written by a guy that had his
sailboat boarded and he was held for ransom (obviously he's alive, he wrote
the book)
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:15:40 -0400, "Eisboch" <...@nowhere.com
"William Boyd" <...@news.x-privat.org...
Heh. No, I suspect you have me beat. I am still working on my
qualifications for a senior citizen discount on Tuesdays at the grocery
store.
It appears that the tactic you described is the one being implemented.
Eisboch
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:06:03 -0500, William Boyd <...@hotmail.com
Eight years ago the state said I was old enough that I do not have a
fishing license.
I also do not have to pay property tax. Speaking of being old.
Mathusal.(sp) :-)
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BILL P.
&
DOG
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:56:35 -0700, "Dave Thompson" <...@invalid.invalid
"John A. Weeks III" <...@news-1.octanews.net...
You really need to play catch up. There are very few bunker fuel powered
ships plying the oceans. Bunker oil is used in steam boilers and must be
heated to flow. Practically 100% of ships under way today are diesel
powered and use anything from No 2 to No 4 diesel fuel.
The US Navy uses Number 2 diesel fuel, Jet A and nuclear.
You really need to apologize for your lack of knowledge.
Dave Thompson
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:11:04 -0700, Lone Haranguer <...@gmail.com
Weeks gets all his information at the barber shop.
LZ
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:54:29 -0500, "Mike Simmons" <...@yhti.net
"Dave Thompson" <...@news.astraweb.com...
That'll never happen....
Mike
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:53:35 -0500, "John A. Weeks III" <...@johnweeks.com
In article <...@news.astraweb.com "Dave Thompson" <...@invalid.invalid
In a 2007 court case where the Bush adminisration's refusal
to regular shipping pollution, the courts ruled that Bush was
wrong in his refusal to regulate the use of bunker oil. The
ruling by the court said that particulate matter from ships
burning bunker oil was the single largest pollutant from ships
that dock in US harbors. Further, if you look at the list of
oil spills reported at the EPA website, the vast majority in
Los Angeles harbor and SFO bay are from bunker oil spilled by
commercial ships.
You are incorrect, and you can feel free to apologize to me
any time you would like to admit your ignorance on the topic.
-john-
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John A. Weeks III 612-720-2854 joh...@johnweeks.com
Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
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