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On 15 Jun 2009 01:08:13 GMT, ray <...@zianet.com
mod=googlenews_wsj
Hardly correct since much of the world cares not at all about baseball.
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:14:46 -0400, ASAAR <...@22.com
Yeah, and the camera you use is really awful, no matter what it is.
Maybe even if it's the same one that I use.
I'm afraid to tell you to "Unlax, Doc." because I don't know if
you're familiar with the "Quip heard round the world." If you
aren't, it may Bug you no end.
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:33:22 -0700, "Frank ess" <...@fshe2fs.com
Seems to me the point was related to recognition of the photographer,
not the game.
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Frank ess
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On 15 Jun 2009 03:40:46 GMT, ray <...@zianet.com
Let me see: "shot seen round the world" tells me about the photographer.
Curious logic.
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On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:59:50 -0400, ASAAR <...@22.com
Not at all. The "shot" and the picture of it had all the fame it
needed or deserved. The articles that I and others pointed to were
almost entirely about the photographer who never earned a penny from
his famous photo, was finally returned to him just days before his
death, and that it will now help his sons. Since you probably
haven't read the article, I'll quote the last part of it here :
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124424737510590641.html
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On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:37:11 -0400, "Matt Clara" <...@myexpense.com
"ray" <...@mid.individual.net...
a) that's been covered
b) most of what we discuss here is of little concern to the world--your
point is?
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On 15 Jun 2009 17:15:23 GMT, ray <...@zianet.com
My point is only that I would consider the subject to be inaccurate.
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 03:27:53 -0700 (PDT), Rich <...@gmail.com
On Jun 10, 9:02 pm, ASAAR <...@22.com
Baseball? I thought someone had a picture of the assassination of
Archduke Ferdinand.
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:02:52 -0700, Savageduck <...@{REMOVESPAM}me.com
On 2009-06-13 03:27:53 -0700, Rich <...@gmail.com
The term "The shot heard around the World" has been used ever since
American Revolutionary times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_heard_around_the_world
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Regards,
Savageduck
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:15:40 -0700, "Frank ess" <...@fshe2fs.com
"Savageduck" <...@REMOVESPAMmecom...
Where did I see this, recently? Someone asked whether or not a UNC
socket and Whitworth screw (or vice versa) would wear one another to
the point of uselessness. Reference was to tripod and camera screw and
socket.
quote:
Never trust a Wikipedia page. They have been authored by
basement-living
trolls who are trying to live out a lifelong dream of being an expert
on
something, anything. The only reason that many of them are attracted
like
flies to author Wiki pages and finally have a voice in life is that
nobody
has ever wanted to listen to their nonsense in real life. At least on
a
Wiki page they can get away with it. Mostly they just copy some
passages
from elsewhere on the net without ever understanding what they have
read,
and never knowing that the information they copied was in error.
(Hmmm...
not unlike most of the posts in these groups.) I ran across that exact
type
of nonsense when researching Calrod manufacturing methods, then again
when
looking up information about several bird species. They then guard
their
stupidity like a troll under a bridge, hitting "undo edit" 24 hours a
day,
every time that someone corrects their blatant ignorance. People with
real-world experience and knowledge eventually give up trying to
educate
those relentless cretins who are now desperately protecting the only
thing
they've ever erroneously accomplished in life. What a sorry life those
Wiki-Trolls have chosen for themselves. Yet, an even worse life is
lived by
those that take any Wiki page as fact.
How To Use Any Wikipedia Effectively: Jump immediately to any external
links on the pages to see where they copied their information from, as
it
certainly wasn't from any real-life experiences of their own, then
search
beyond that for something the least bit closer to the truth.
"D. Langdon"
end quote
While I agree caution is advisable in accepting Wiki information as
gospel, there is much to be said in its favor.
After several rounds of discussion, it seemed to me the reasonable
conclusion was: in low-stress conditions, the mismatch is not fatal. A
little search would yield sources for matching components.
" ... apeshit stridency is self-limiting in its effect."
- Mike L.
"So one should be careful about giving advice and not having to deal
with the consequences of that advice".
-- Condoleezza Rice
--
Frank ess
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 03:25:52 -0700, Savageduck <...@{REMOVESPAM}me.com
On 2009-06-13 13:15:40 -0700, "Frank ess" <...@fshe2fs.com
If you check on the verbiage used in the the above quote and the full
headers of the post you got it from, you might also note D. Landon is
our notorious P&S troll in yet another sock.
True.
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Regards,
Savageduck
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 11:26:32 -0700, "Frank ess" <...@fshe2fs.com
[ ... ]
What a sorry life those Wiki-Trolls have chosen for
So you're saying whoever he is is wrong?
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Frank ess
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 11:41:33 -0700, Savageduck <...@{REMOVESPAM}me.com
On 2009-06-14 11:26:32 -0700, "Frank ess" <...@fshe2fs.com
I am saying the nature of his NG history has made all of his
contributions suspect. At this point it would be difficult for him to
maintain any sort of credibility with many frequent fliers in these
NG's.
He might very well have something useful to contribute, but his current
MO & agenda on with Usenet groups makes that unlikely.
I also doubt that it is not in his nature to temper his style so he
could participate as a non-troll.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 11:46:00 -0700, Savageduck <...@{REMOVESPAM}me.com
On 2009-06-14 11:41:33 -0700, Savageduck <...@{REMOVESPAM}me.com
Did I actually write, "doubt that is not in his nature?"
Let me clarify. It is NOT in his nature to temper his style so he could
participate as a non-troll.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:02:27 -0700, "Frank ess" <...@fshe2fs.com
So you're saying whoever he is is wrong?
--
Frank ess
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:18:10 -0400, ASAAR <...@22.com
Yes, most definitely, he is a very wrong individual, which is not
to say that he doesn't occasionally say something that is factually
correct. But even on those rare occasions, one should try to figure
out what his agenda is, because he is never without one, not unlike
you perhaps, but his agendas are malignant. Yours aren't, although
they often are also tipped with barbs.
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:44:11 -0700, Savageduck <...@{REMOVESPAM}me.com
On 2009-06-14 12:02:27 -0700, "Frank ess" <...@fshe2fs.com
I am saying however factual some of what he writes might be, he has
discredited his arguments with his underlying agenda, and it seems
unlikely that he will change.
If he ever decides to make a non-vitriolic balance contribution, he
would have to change many things including writing style, and all which
makes him so easily identifiable in his full headers.
For all I know he may already be making a decent contribution as some
other regular poster, using his current MO to play to some dark side of
his personality.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:55:33 +0100, Chris H <...@phaedsys.org
In message <...@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups
.com
Otherwise known as the girl's game of Rounders in the civilised world.
Quite...
Baseball, American Football and the like are relay only of interest in
the USA. So *any* event in Baseball only has local interest.
The problem is that Americans think that things that are important only
to Americans are of global significance.
--
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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:45:49 -0400, ASAAR <...@22.com
The deserved collapse of the British Empire so long ago is
evidently still a bitter pill. As far as Rounders is concerned,
baseball is an entirely different game that requires considerable
physical attributes and skill. The lure of high pay attracts
talented athletes from all over the world. I don't recall any from
G.B. that have been signed, but if there are a few, they're
certainly much more talented than even your most capable
schoolgirls.
That said, your parochial jibes aren't undeserved. Too many here
still shout "We're number one. We're number one!" even far after
that's no longer true. It's good that your infamous Paki Bashing no
longer occurs . . . or is it simply less widely reported?
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:14:34 -0400, tony cooper <...@earthlink.net
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:45:49 -0400, ASAAR <...@22.com
There are many professional athletes, playing for American teams, who
are from countries formerly part of the British Empire. The sun has
set on the Empire, though, and Britannia rules only over the waves on
the ponds on the greens.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:06:33 -0700, John McWilliams <...@comcast.net
In general, true, but there are exceptions. What else consititutes "the
like"?
Some Americans think this, just as some Brits, Aussies, French, German
etc etc etc. are chauvinistic and/or narrowminded and/or boorish clods
and/or misanthropic twits.
You consistently engage in bashing others, and with a broad brush. Could
you rethink this?
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john mcwilliams
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:34:11 -0400, Robert Coe <...@1776.COM
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:55:33 +0100, Chris H <...@phaedsys.org: In message <...@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups
: .com: : : : : : :
: Otherwise known as the girl's game of Rounders in the civilised world.
:
: : :
: Quite...
:
: Baseball, American Football and the like are relay only of interest in
: the USA. So *any* event in Baseball only has local interest.
You don't say. Actually, it's quite possible that there are more baseball fans
in Japan than there are soccer fans in England.
Bob
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:27:23 -0400, tony cooper <...@earthlink.net
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:34:11 -0400, Robert Coe <...@1776.COM
I've never heard of any "baseball hooligans" in Japan.
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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:45:01 -0400, "J. Clarke" <...@cox.net
That's because Japan is a bit of a drive from Germany.
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:51:34 -0500, Ron Hunter <...@charter.net
Never been to Japan, have you?
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:00:54 -0700, Savageduck <...@{REMOVESPAM}me.com
On 2009-06-13 07:55:33 -0700, Chris H <...@phaedsys.org
Bear in mind baseball & Softball are now Olympic sports, and just try
and tell a Cuban or Nicaraguan that it is an exclusively American
sport. The Japanese, Australians and South Africans also produce teams
which are able to compete at the international level.
...and they are definitely not playing rounders.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:34:41 -0400, ASAAR <...@22.com
Nor are the many current Dominican baseball stars. It's also not
a new phenomenon, as shown by Roberto Clemente (Puerto Rico) being
drafted by the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1954 and Luis Aparicio
(Venezuela) who won the "Rookie of the Year" award in 1956 when he
replaced another Venezuelan shortstop, Chico Carrasquel.
This Aparicio info came from the following website, which shows
that baseball is not just a USA pastime, it's not even a global
pastime, it's an interplanetary pastime, thanks to the contributions
of the infamous Bill Veeck (as in wreck).
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/luis_aparicio_biography.shtml
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:54:43 -0400, Robert Coe <...@1776.COM
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:00:54 -0700, Savageduck <...@{REMOVESPAM}me.comwrote:
: On 2009-06-13 07:55:33 -0700, Chris H <...@phaedsys.org:
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: Bear in mind baseball & Softball are now Olympic sports, ...
Are you sure about that? Maybe softball still is (for women only, I believe),
but I think baseball has been dropped.
Bob
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 03:00:33 -0700, Savageduck <...@{REMOVESPAM}me.com
On 2009-06-13 19:54:43 -0700, Robert Coe <...@1776.COM
The IOC voted to drop baseball & softball from the 2012 Olympic
program, perhaps this was due to the lack of enthusiasm from the London
hosts.
However since 1992 16 nations have competed The UK conspicuous by its
abscence. The full list of competing nations was:
Australia
Canada
China
China Taipei
Cuba
Dominican Republic
Greece
Italy
Japan
South Korea
Netherlands
Nicaragua
Puerto Rico
South Africa
Spain
USA
The Gold medalists have been:
1992 Cuba
1996 Cuba
2000 USA
2004 Cuba
2008 South Korea
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:41:10 -0400, "Matt Clara" <...@myexpense.com
"Chris H" <...@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
Sounds like a logical fallacy of generalization. Prick.
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:14:40 -0400, tony cooper <...@earthlink.net
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:55:33 +0100, Chris H <...@phaedsys.orgwrote:
Not just in the civilized world. I think the game is called
"rounders" in the UK, too.
You've not heard of Japan?
The _Wall Street Journal_, the source of the article, is an American
publication. It's quite natural for an American publication to
contain articles of interest to Americans. It's quite possible that
"The Grauniad" carries articles of interest only to Brits.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:06:55 +0100, Chris H <...@phaedsys.org
In message <...@earthlink.net
:-)
OK so 2 countries..
It does but it does not make them out to have global significance
"the shot seen around the world" as long as "the world" is mainland
USA.
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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:00:37 -0400, "Peter" <...@nospamoptonline.net
"Chris H" <...@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
Don't be so insular.
Add most of East Asia, many countries in Latin America, oh! yes, The Czech
Republic, etc
--
Peter
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:24:53 -0400, "J. Clarke" <...@cox.net
Guess you haven't heard of Cuba either. Commies they may be, but they love
"beisbol".
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:43:43 -0400, Robert Coe <...@1776.COM
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:24:53 -0400, "J. Clarke" <...@cox.netwrote:
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
: Guess you haven't heard of Cuba either. Commies they may be, but they love
: "beisbol".
:
: : : : : : : : : : :
Not just Cuba, but several other Latin American countries. La República
Dominicana, por ejemplo, is a hotbed of béisbol interest.
And (to a somewhat lesser extent) Canada, despite Rich's smartass remark.
Bob
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:41:38 -0400, tony cooper <...@earthlink.net
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:43:43 -0400, Robert Coe <...@1776.COM
Actually, this was a shot "seen round the world". Even in 1951, there
were Americans who avidly followed baseball living and working in all
corners of the globe. There was a large group of Americans spending
some time in Korea in 1951. There's no claim that the (photograph)
shot was of interest to anyone but Americans, but the claim of it
being seen 'round the world is valid.
The line is misquoted, though, since the term is the "Shot heard
'round the world" based on a line in a poem by Ralph Waldo Emerson.
The misquotation is a deliberate play on words, but the original usage
regarding the photograph was "heard" because it described Bobby
Thompson's home run hit. A "shot" is a slang term for a home run or a
photograph. Still is to this day:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090604&content_id=5141520&vkey=recap& fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:16:11 -0400, tony cooper <...@earthlink.net
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:24:53 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<...@cox.net
Chris is doing exactly what he accuses Americans of doing, but in
reverse. He accuses Americans of being interested only what is done
in America as a Brit who is not interested in anything that is not
done in the UK.
That's OK, though. We Americans are not interested in the shove
ha'penny finals, the Aunt Sally cup matches, or the conkers death
matches and we don't feel the least bit arrogant about it.
The British media have other priorities. BBC feels that women with
large breasts are far more deserving of coverage than a baseball game.
http://www.hiddenfeet.com/my-big-breasts-and-me-bbc-documentary/
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:04:39 -0400, "Peter" <...@nospamoptonline.net
"tony cooper" <...@4ax.com...
But, many of us used to be very interested in the Irish Sweepstakes.
Over a mouthful is wasted.
--
Peter
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:50:12 +1000, Bob Larter <...@gmail.com
Sounds reasonable to me. ;^)
--
W
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\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:55:29 +0100, Chris H <...@phaedsys.org
In message <...@earthlink.net
No idea where you get that idea from.. I travel a fair bit and I am
interested it the rest of the world
However we don't make claims like "The Shot Seen 'Round the World" for
local UK or EU stuff
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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:04:41 -0700, John McWilliams <...@comcast.net
I get that you are well traveled and well educated.
However, you frequently display chauvinism and Yankee bashing.
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John McWilliams
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:22:05 +0100, Chris H <...@phaedsys.org
In message <...@comcast.net
Probably from having had to work with Americans (civilians in military)
both in the US, Europe and ME. However as they have not shot at me for
over a decade I am starting to soften a bit :-)
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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:31:50 -0400, tony cooper <...@earthlink.net
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:55:29 +0100, Chris H <...@phaedsys.orgwrote:
It was the "The shot seen 'round the world". If the photograph was
viewed by people in all parts of the word, the title is accurate. If,
for example, it was published in the _International Herald Tribune_ (a
globally distributed newspaper), it was seen 'round the world.
Certainly the event, the 1951 World Series, was a news item globally.
It may not have been of interest to all, but it was in the news.
The _Guardian_ is currently running articles on the NBA finals. The
event may be of interest mainly to Americans in the UK, but the
_Guardian_ considers it to be newsworthy enough to publish articles
about it. In this case, it's a Brit editor who thinks an American
event is significant in the UK.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:19:52 -0400, ASAAR <...@22.com
My take was that your initial reply was just a bit of gentle but
well deserved teasing, that provoked me enough to reply in kind.
But many in the newsgroups from the USA don't want to see much of
this lest it leads to some "tortured" discussions of some of the
reasons for this rather widespread attitude.
Not having lived in, let alone traveled to the UK I can't dispute
this, but as bragging is a universal trait, I'd have to think that
someone's putting something in your water if no similar bragadocious
claims have ever been made.
TSSRtW is literally true from some perspectives, even if it wasn't
of major significance to most people around the world. Now I get to
use what I normally consider a mildly loathsome word. Whatever.
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:41:01 +0100, Bruce <...@nospam.net
Chris H <...@phaedsys.org
Don't we? Surely World Series Conkers is seen around the world
(including the USA) on television?
And hasn't Shove Ha'penny been officially accepted as a new Olympic
sport for London 2012?
;-)
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:26:31 -0400, tony cooper <...@earthlink.net
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:41:01 +0100, Bruce <...@nospam.net
We are eagerly looking forward to David Beckham and Eric Cantona to
tour the US with Dwile Flonking exhibition matches. It's expected
that the Spice Girls will do the girting.
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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:36:41 GMT, the Omrud <...@gEXPUNGEmail.com
I suspect that you had to look up the spelling, possibly from my last
recollection of the Great Match on the Sands at Cromer in about 1973.
"girting"? Did you mean "gurning"? That's a North-West occupation,
rather than East Anglia.
--
David
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:57:08 -0400, tony cooper <...@earthlink.net
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:36:41 GMT, the Omrud
<...@gEXPUNGEmail.com
Unless it's played in the US, it can't be a "world" event. We have
claim to that.
Don't you follow your own National Sports? "Girting" is dancing
around a member of the flonking team. "Gurning" is making faces.
If a gurner is added to the tour, I suggest Heather Mills. She can't
very well dance, can she?
Oh, wait. She does. I've never watched that show, though.
(Yes, I checked the spelling. The Brits have this habit of sticking
the letter "u" in things, and I didn't want to flunk the test.)
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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:06:47 GMT, the Omrud <...@gEXPUNGEmail.com
Hardly. I take part in sporting activities, but I can't grok the point
of watching others do so.
Ah, I see - I had forgotten the term. But the girting activity is not a
separate action - it's part of the game which is undertaken by the
current "fielding" side, as it might be in cricket or that American form
of rounders you play. If the Spice Grils were to take time off from
being Chief Scout in order to girt, then they would be Dwile Flonking
themselves. You may not yet have a mental image of what a match looks like.
Yes, I did go to Manchester University, and that was one of the first
things they taught us.
She dances like Sara Bernhardt.
Me neither. I'm not sure I know what she looks like, although I
understand she's a shoe-in for the role of Tarzan (Spigot by name and
spigot by nature).
I collected the Metro system in Munich this week, but that was putting a
Brit in a U-bahn, rather than the other way around.
--
David
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:44:51 -0400, tony cooper <...@earthlink.net
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:06:47 GMT, the Omrud
<...@gEXPUNGEmail.com
I admit to that. Readily. When I first saw the term, I thought that
some guy named Dwile was getting a lot of action. (If you know what I
mean. If you know what I mean. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge)
That's why you need to put a Dwile Flunking team on tour. From the
sound of it, it's not something silly like Morris Dancing. I'm sure
Americans would take to it.
I know of no American sport where the participants dance around the
opposing side. Participants and coaches often dance around the
referees or umpires over a disputed call, but it's a rather awkward
step since the essential moves are scuffing dirt and belly-bumping.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:07:28 GMT, the Omrud <...@gEXPUNGEmail.com
Quite likely - in case it's not obvious, I must tell you that the main
point of the game is to drink a lot of beer.
--
David
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:14:11 -0500, John Turco <...@concentric.net
Hello, Chris:
Basketball is an American invention, which became internationally
popular. It's probably the world's most widespread team sport, in
fact.
Cordially,
John Turco <...@concentric.net>
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:11:20 +1000, "Paul Bartram" <paul.bartram AT OR NEAR lizzy.com.au
I have to say, I've never seen that photo before, nor can I see what is
special about it, not being a baseball fan. As a photograph, it looks like
any one of millions of 'point & shoot' shots taken from the stands at any
sports event over the years. I'm sure it is historical with regards to the
sport, but to me... nehh.
Just my personal opinion, YMMV.
Paul
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:24:01 -0400, ASAAR <...@22.com
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:11:20 +1000, "Paul Bartram" <paul.bartram AT
OR NEAR lizzy.com.au
You have to realize that the image quality on that web page is
quite poor. The Busch Pressman was a medium format camera and
although I don't know which film size Rudy Mancuso used (it may have
been 4x5, 6x9 or one of the other sizes, the image quality must have
easily surpassed that of most of today's P&S cameras. Back in 1951
cameras weren't quite that ubiquitous, nor were videos capturing the
entire game (from multiple positions and angles) the way they are
today. From the way it was described, Mancuso probably captured the
only shot of what was widely known as 'the Shot Heard 'Round the
World'. Heard, not seen.
You may have no interest in that photo and even that sport, just
as there are probably many historical moments in football (soccer),
rugby, cricket that are unknown to me. But were I to come across an
account of any of them, including pictures, I'd probably find them
interesting. I'd say "Hmm, interesting.", not "to me... nehh."
That's more like the attitude of uncurious George, our last
president, who was not one that set many (if any) good examples to
follow.
From comments made by many that read that WSJ article, what was of
most interest wasn't even the photo and the well known event that it
captured. Much more interesting to them was how Mancuso finally
came into possession of the long lost negative, just days before he
died, and its final disposition.
Of course. It's hard to disagree with truisms.
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:29:23 GMT, "David J Taylor" <...@blueyonder.not-this-part.nor-this.co.uk.invalid
Completely agree.
David
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:56:51 +1200, Me <...@domain.invalid
We saw ed sullivan on TV back then, but as the consulates (under the big
M signs) weren't yet established, we never got any really important news
like that from the US. But thank god for president gates' invention of
the internet - now we know - and that little snippet has every chance of
achieving it's headline.
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:27:26 -0400, ASAAR <...@22.com
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:11:20 +1000, "Paul Bartram" <paul.bartram AT
OR NEAR lizzy.com.au
You have to realize that the image quality on that web page is
quite poor. The Busch Pressman was a medium format camera and
although I don't know which film size Rudy Mancuso used (it may have
been 4x5, 6x9 or one of the other sizes, the image quality must have
easily surpassed that of most of today's P&S cameras. Back in 1951
cameras weren't quite that ubiquitous, nor were videos capturing the
entire game (from multiple positions and angles) the way they are
today. From the way it was described, Mancuso probably captured the
only shot of what was widely known as 'the Shot Heard 'Round the
World'. Heard, not seen.
You may have no interest in that photo and even that sport, just
as there are probably many historical moments in football (soccer),
rugby, cricket that are unknown to me. But were I to come across an
account of any of them, including pictures, I'd probably find them
interesting. I'd say "Hmm, interesting.", not "to me... nehh."
That's more like the attitude of uncurious George, our last
president, who was not one that set many (if any) good examples to
follow.
From comments made by many that read that WSJ article, what was of
most interest wasn't even the photo and the well known event that it
captured. Much more interesting to them was how Mancuso finally
came into possession of the long lost negative, just days before he
died, and its final disposition.
Of course. It's hard to disagree with truisms.
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:46:39 -0400, ASAAR <...@22.com
Much, much better photo, thanks. Some very nice comments too,
balanced by the ignorant ones such as "Baseball sucks -- NASCAR
rocks!" that begs for a tap on the temple with a spanner.
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:51:44 -0500, John Turco <...@concentric.net
<edited for brevity
<edited
Hello, ASAAR:
Hey, man, let's allow those poor, unfortunate Australian wretches (and
their countless counterparts, in other non-U.S., English-speaking nations),
to broaden their horizons, shall we? :-)
Wikipedia - Shot Heard 'Round the World (baseball)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_Heard_'Round_the_World_(baseball)
An excerpt, from the above Web page:
"In baseball, the 'Shot Heard 'Round the World' is the term given to the walk-off home run hit by New York
Giants outfielder Bobby Thomson off Brooklyn Dodgers pitcher Ralph Branca at the Polo Grounds to win the
National League pennant at 3:58 p.m. EST on October 3, 1 951. As a result of the 'shot' (baseball slang
for 'home run' or any hard-hit ball), the Giants won the game 54, defeating the Dodgers in their pennant
playoff series, two games to one. It is also referred as the most famous case of sign-stealing in baseball.
"The phrase shot heard 'round the world is from a classic poem by Ralph Waldo Emerson, originally used
to refer to the first clash of the American Revolutionary War and since used to apply to other dramatic
moments, military and otherwise. In the case of Thomson's home run, it was particularly apt as U.S.
servicemen fighting in the Korean War listened to the radio broadcast of the game."
Personally, I've never been much of a baseball fan, until the playoffs
and World Series roll around. Good, ol' American-style football, has
always been my preferred spectator sport. <g
By the way, the Wikipedia article refreshed my memory, about a bit of
chicanery I'd read of (on the Web), a few years ago.
Here's the relevant quote:
"In February 2001, Joshua Harris Prager of the Wall Street Journal reported that the Giants had positioned
coach Herman Franks with a telescope in the Giants' clubhouse during the latter half of the season, including
the game itself, and had stolen the pitching signs of the Dodger catcher, Rube Walker, subbing for the injured
Roy Campanella in the playoff game[2]. Prager concluded that the spy had signalled pitches to the Giants'
batters, including Thomson, thus enabling Thomson to know in advance what pitch Branca was going to throw him.
According to Prager's research, Franks was hidden in Giant manager Leo Durocher's office, which was positioned
in the Polo Grounds center field and offered a line-of-sight view of the catcher. A buzzer system was installed
so that Franks could signal a player in the Giants' bullpen, located on the field of play in deep left field.
The player would then signal the batter as to what pitch was coming.
"However, acknowledging that sign-stealing was not made a violation of rules by Major League Baseball, and
that it had been a part of baseball since the inception of signs as a means of communication between pitcher
and catcher, Prager in an interview with CNN on February 3, 2001, left it to readers to determine if the
sign-stealing, which Thomson denied, diminished the stature of the event. While the Prager article said that
MLB had formally outlawed sign-stealing in the 1960s, his followup book in 2006, The Echoing Green, notes
that the major leagues to this writing have not outlawed the practice.
"The burden of uncovering sign-stealers is consigned to the opposing team, typically the visiting team. The
fact that the visiting teams won the first two games of the playoff series raises the question of how effective
the alleged sign-stealing really was. Nonetheless, Prager points out in The Echoing Green that Thompson hit
over .100 higher after the sign stealing scheme began in July 1951 and 'no doubt' received advanced notice
of the two fastballs Branca threw at him that day."
Oh, well, there was defeated their crosstown rivals (the Giants), 4 games to 2, in the 1951
World Series. :-J
Cordially,
John Turco <...@concentric.net>
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:06:04 -0400, ASAAR <...@22.com
Nah, lets just throw a few of them on the barbie. Good to see
you've returned. Unfortunately so has the infamous Mssr. Navas.
It would have been just as enjoyable had the "shot" never happened
and the Yanks ended up beating "Dem Bums" instead! :)
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:14:26 -0500, John Turco <...@concentric.net
Hello, ASAAR:
It's good to be back, although...I started posting here, again, away
back on June 1, 2009. <g
Those "other" New York Giants did ruin my evening, about 17 months ago.
They put on a late "rally" of their own, and dashed the New England
Patriots' dream of an unprecedented 19-0 season and Super Bowl title.
I guess that one could logically say (in this day and age of global
electronic media) Giants wide receiver David Tyree made "The Catch
Seen And Heard - And Replayed, Over And Over Again - 'Round The
World." :-P
Cordially,
John Turco <...@concentric.net>
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