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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:13:42 -0400, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Marcia R." <...@newsfe16.iad...
This is a little bit more money, but has image stabilization, which is VERY
nice. And it also has some wide angle as well as telephoto (in the 35mm
film equivalent that they show below, 50mm is normal, so 35mm is slightly
wide angle, and 105mm is telephoto). I've had 3 mini Canon cameras... love
the small size. My big old 35mm camera was a Nikon built like a rock, but
after I got my first Canon-Elf mini film camera, I've been very satisfied
with them and have gotten several new generation ones. To me, nothing beats
small in a camera. If it's small you can have it with you all the time. If
you don't have it with you, you can't take pictures.
Canon SD1200
10.0 megapixel
Image Stabilization
Face Detection
35-105mm 35mm Equivalent
$189.99
http://www.costco.com/Browse/ProductSet.aspx?Prodid=11470597&whse=BC&Ne=4000000 &eCat=BC|79|83|87151&N=4040593&Mo=18&pos=2&No=11&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&cat=87151&N s=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&ec=BC-EC10604-Cat83&topnav=
Make sure you get at least a 2 Gig or 4 Gig card with it.
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:48:47 -0700, "Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
I'll check it out. Thanks.
Marcia
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Anonymous Wrote:
My wife uses an excellent Sony Cybershot and I use an older, clunkier
Hewlett Packard digital. Her Sony runs in the $165 -$185 range, I saw
one on sale last week for $139. I don't recall the exact specs on the
camera but it does have a good zoom capability, 12 megapixels and a
fairly large screen, 3" I think.
We bought a 4gb memory stick for it and the camera says it's ready to
take something like 1,600 pictures at fairly high resolution. 4 gig on
my HP is only good for about 1,000. Both will go on our cruise (two
weeks from today!) so we can just shoot our little hearts out and not
worry about space.
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:29:54 -0400, Thumper <...@comcast.net
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:11:28 -0500, griz...@webtv.net (Kenn
Oh yes, that Kodak M1033 EasyShare comes with a 4 gig card for
$129.00. It also has image stabilization, 10 megapixel, 3"screen and
takes beautiful pictures.
Thumper
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:42:19 -0500, "Seehorse Video" <...@seehorsevideo.com
"Kenn Smith" <...@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net...
Hi All,
I'm not into pix but my wife really takes pix. She loves her Cannon SD880
IS Digital ELPH. She got all the bells and whistles and spent almost $500.
That puts it way out of the suggested price range but it's small, easy and,
since she can use it, it must be fool-proof. And no, she doesn't read this
news group so I don't have to worry about divorce attorneys. (Basic camera
is about $300)
Harry Cooper
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:20:37 -0700, "Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
That's way too much money for a camera I'll probably never use again,
but thanks.
Marcia
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On 1 Nov 2009 02:39:31 GMT, Charles <...@his.com.remove.invalid
"Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
You can get something decent for around $250. Otherwise don't bother.
Might as well stick to a cell phone if you won' spend at least 250. Tom
K is giving the best advise in this thread in my opinion.
--
Charles
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:50:52 -0400, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Charles" <...@news.individual.net...
At Costco you can do Canon Elf for $180.
--Tom
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:12:16 -0700, "Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
That sounds good. I'll check that one out, thanks.
Marcia
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:40:26 -0400, Thumper <...@comcast.net
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:42:19 -0500, "Seehorse Video"
<...@seehorsevideo.com
I've got a $500 range camera and although small I finally realized
that I wasn't carrying it around because it was a pain. The pocket
sized ones have come a long way in the last few years and do most of
what a more expensive camera can do and some are really easier to
operate.
Thumper
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:36:35 -0400, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Thumper" <...@4ax.com...
I agree... tiny is best. The suggestion to look for the largest lens was
not a good one IMO.
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:37:32 -0400, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Seehorse Video" <...@giganews.com...
Actually basic Canon Elf is around or less than $180.
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:26:14 +0100, peter <...@stockton.com
On 10/31/09 4:11 PM, in article
1027...@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net, "Kenn Smith"
<...@webtv.net
Rather than rely on anecdotal evidence, however well-intended the authors
may be, Marcia could consult Consumer Reports and/or NY Times reviewer David
Pogue's tests. Below the $130 Marcia wants to spend, CR recommends the
subcompact Samsung SL102 ($100, scoring 67 points compared to 72 for
top-rated Canon Powershot SD880 priced $300) and the compact Panasonic Lumix
DMC LS85 ($120, scoring 69). She should certainly buy a large memory card,
but deleting unwanted pictures during the cruise also saves space and and is
generally more efficient than doing it at home.
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:10:58 -0700, "Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
Thanks. One of the reasons I'm asking here for "anecdotal evidence" is
that I read a good professional review about something, and then people
start posting that the pictures are awful or that the camera broke in a
week. I understand that stuff can be posted by anyone, so I can't
believe all of it. I just thought I'd see what people here own and have
actually used and get a jumping off point to do more research.
Thanks,
Marcia
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:31:38 -0400, Thumper <...@comcast.net
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:26:14 +0100, peter <...@stockton.comwrote:
I would also read the customer reviews for each camera you are
interested in.
I've seen some of the CR reviews so far off from reality it's
unbelievable.
Thumper
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:01:17 -0500, Old Sarge <...@richgreene.com
On 10/31/09 11:26 AM, in article C712...@stockton.com,
"peter" <...@stockton.com
http://www.dpreview.com is a great digital camera review site.
The old addage that you get what you pay for also holds true for digital
cameras. It all depends on what features you want and how fine and true you
want your photos to be.
For instance, the smaller cute digital cameras all have small and sometimes
plastic lenses compared to the larger lenses that will capture more light
and objects in the photo. My wife has a small Casio camera and I have two
Canons, a D20 and a G10. The G10 actually takes better photos than the
larger D20.
The bottom line when looking for a digital camera and most retailers will
agree, is to find one with the largest lens for the price you want to pay.
Your photos will turn out much better.
Better yet, most stores give you a two or three week return on digital
cameras. Buy what you think you want, take it and use it on your cruise,
and then if you don't like it, return it to the store. There are just too
many digital cameras on the market to make a quick decision, even with so
called expert opinions. Everyone has their own opinion on which camera is
best and which is not. Don't allow someone to make the decision for you.
But just remember, the larger the lens, the better the photos. You don't
need 10 megapixels. 3 or 4 megapixels are just fine for normal prints up
to 8x10. The more megapixels, the least amount of photos you will save on
your card and you will NEVER use that many megapixels unless you are in the
publishing business. More megapixels doesn't add up to better photos, just
larger ones. You may also want to look for one with "anti-shake" and
possibly face recognition capabilities. Both of those features work great
and won't cost much more. Just remember, if you pay $200 for a digital
camera you will get $200 quality photos. I paid $1,600.00 for my D20 Kit
and could never get a great photo out of it, so I got the G10 for Christmas
and I've been a happy camper ever since. The G10 is going for over $400
now, but Canon has a large range of great digital cameras. Please stay away
from those tiny lens cameras everyone sends their kids off to college with.
They ARE cheap.
One more item if I'm not too late: Try and find a camera that takes regular
AAA or AA batteries, rechargeable types. It will save you money on
proprietary batteries that some makers have to make more money.
Unfortunately for me, both of my Canon's take Canon batteries.
Storage is another item. Sony has memory sticks that are proprietary to
Sony only, while most other cameras use cards that can be used in most any
other camera or digital device. Purchase a card that will hold enough photos
until you can transfer them to another device so you can reuse the card.
So many things to tell you about digital cameras. Sheesh, why not just stick
with 35mm film. Damn technology today, where's it going tommorow?
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:06:54 -0400, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Old Sarge" <...@richgreene.com...
I can't agree with that. I'd burn through AA's if I used them in my camera,
and they're HUGE. Take up too much precious space. I want my camera as
tiny, yet powerful, as possible. I buy a spare rechargeable battery and
carry it with me. The one for my Canon Elf is tiny.
Dumb questions. You can take thousands of photos with digital for free once
you buy the memory card, and still print the ones you want later for cheap.
Film is becoming ancient history. Just like the slide rule. Besides...
without technology there wouldn't be any internet to talk to other cruisers
about things like this... you'd still be doing letters by hand or on an old
manual typewriter.
--Tom
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:18:51 -0700, "Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
You're not too late. ;-) I'm hoping to get something in the next few
weeks. Then I can use it on the Christmas displays around town to get
used to it and see how the pictures turn out. I won't be using it
enough in the long run to get an expensive camera. I would just like a
record of the cruise, and I'm tired of going to a show here when
everyone around me pulls out their cameras and I feel like the only one
in the room who doesn't own one. LOL. I'm more interested in decent
pictures (they don't have to be pro quality, but I've read reviews of
pics that have blotches in them or are fuzzy, which I certainly don't want).
As far as the batteries go, do you not just charge them like I charge my
cell phone? See, this is why I'm so confused. LOL.
Marcia
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:33:10 -0700, "Nonny" <...@cox.net
With the passage of time, I found that I was lugging around one
heck of a lot of wall warts and brick-type of chargers for about
every device we traveled with. Mrs. Nonny's scooter took the
biggest, but then if you add in a laptop and its brick, you're
starting to get some serious weight.
Whether it's a camera, cell phone, PDA or laptop, one of the most
important features I now look for is a single way to recharge
something. I'd not purchase a camera, for instance, if I could
not recharge the battery on a USB cable.
One of the handier new gizmos I've added to the suitcase, saving
me around 2-3 pounds, is a single brick-type of recharger that has
multiple tips various options for output voltages.
http://www.unitedsale.com/product_info.php?products_id=18195
The multiple tips fit most laptops, but then there's also a SECOND
output that you can plug a cigarette lighter-type of charger into,
and with its multiple tips you can do cell phones, cameras, GPS
units and virtually all other hand held devices. On its back is a
USB port, so anything that runs off of a USB port or recharges
from one can be plugged in as well.
Nonny
Have you ever wondered if the bills
in your wallet were ever in a stripper's butt crack?
Have a nice day ..
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:33:37 -0400, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Marcia R." <...@newsfe05.iad...
Yes, you want batteries that you charge like with your cell phone. NOT AA
or AAA. That was bad info.
--Tom
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:32:35 -0400, Bill <...@prodigy.net
My kids' and my Canon cameras all take AA batteries and we've
been very happy with them. It's easy enough to travel with a
battery charger and spare batteries are cheap. Yes, it may not
be as tiny as the proprietary batteries but I have no problem
with it.
Bill
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:20:25 -0500, Bill <...@prodigy.net
I know you're speaking from experience here but it doesn't match
my experience with my family's Canon cameras, specifically my
daughter's A720 (2 AA) and my S5 (4 AA). There are cameras that
eat batteries and there are cameras that are more efficient.
Also, you need to use decent quality AA rechargeable batteries.
Using alkalines is foolish and gets expensive (plus they do not
last long).
How much do those extra batteries cost compared to generic AA's?
You are overgeneralizing. I've taken a couple of hundred
pictures with cameras that take AA's. Obviously if you take a
lot of flash pictures your battery life will be less.
Which is where AA's have the advantage.
Bill
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:24:08 -0500, Rosalie B. <...@mindspring.com
Bill <...@prodigy.net
It is true that cameras vary. It's just that I've never heard of
problems with the proprietary batteries and I HAVE heard many
complaints about the AA batteries.
Each one is about $25.00. One came with the camera, and I bought an
extra. I've been using them since 2004. I've gone through the
complete set of numbers (9,999 pictures) four times, and have bought a
second camera just like it so I wouldn't have to change the type of
batteries.
But it isn't just about the cost. I'm willing to pay for the
convenience.
I'm talking about 100 to 200 photos per day. I try to avoid using
flash.
But these were not proprietary batteries for digital cameras. I
couldn't have bought them where I was. This was for a film camera
before I got a digital. We took 25 rolls of film with four
point-and-shoot film cameras on that two week trip, plus 5 or 6
disposable snorkeling cameras. All the cameras used those little
short cylindrical camera batteries, except the snorkeling cameras and
I think one really cheap camera that used AA batteries.
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:38:53 -0500, Bill <...@prodigy.net
Yes, I meant a couple of hundred pictures on one set of
batteries. Just as you did.
Well that really has no relevance to the discussion then. I
thought you were talking about running out to get another
proprietary camera battery now. Obviously you can get AA's at
most stores and many of the new varieties come precharged and
will hold their charge while on the shelf.
Bill
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:18:57 -0500, Rosalie B. <...@mindspring.com
Bill <...@prodigy.net
Well I meant 200 photos a day for the duration of the cruise. We
usually take more than a 7 day cruise so if the camera took two
batteries and I ran through a set each day, that would be 20 batteries
for a 10 day cruise, and I'd like to have extra. (Although I think my
AA battery camera takes 4 batteries.) I think that's too much.
My grandson whose camera took AA batteries had a whole knapsack with
batteries and electronic stuff in it. I wonder that they let him
through airport security with all of them. My other grandson who
had electronic equipment that he could plug in didn't have to carry as
much. Although eventually his game console died on the trip from
Miami to Madrid.
I was talking about having to get a battery in a central American
country where things were hard to get and they might not have the most
recent things. There weren't department stores or Best Buys or even
7-11 When we were there there were only about 3 traffic lights in the
whole country.
Even if I could buy batteries on the ship or in a store on land, I
thin I'd pay a premium for them. They wouldn't be near as cheap as at
home
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:30:53 -0500, Bill <...@prodigy.net
So you recharge your batteries every night, and you bring a
spare set with you for the day when you go out. Problem solved.
Isn't this what you do with your camera?? We're not talking
about disposable batteries here.
There is no restriction on traveling with batteries or chargers.
I'd be willing to bet that I'd have an easier time finding AA
batteries than you would finding a proprietary battery.
Bill
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:13:36 -0800, "Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
Not that I need to be more confused than I already am...are the
rechargeable batteries in a digital camera like the ones in a cell
phone, or do they need to be replaced a lot? I've had my cell phone for
a few years with the same battery it came with.
Marcia
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:19:15 -0500, Bill <...@prodigy.net
I've seen statistics for AA batteries that say they can be
recharged 1000 times. I've never had some that can't be
recharged. I am not sure what the stats are for the proprietary
batteries. With cell phones, after a year or two you will likely
notice them not holding a charge for as long as they used to be,
and you need to recharge them more often. Most people do not
bother replacing them until it gets really bad.
Bill
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:37:11 +0100, peter <...@stockton.com
On 11/2/09 7:13 AM, in article iMuH...@newsfe22.iad, "Marcia R."
<...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
Rechargeable camera batteries differ from brand to brand and generally also
from model to model. Expect to be able to use the battery for at least two
or three years. Depending on usage you may have to load them once every
couple of days. Consider buying a backup battery, though relatively
expensive. Note that putting the charger with cable attached in checked
bagage may trigger TSA inspection. As people advocating AA batteries
correctly point out, those are multipurpose and easier to find in Timbuktu
than Canon's specific battery for model 1200.
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:00:17 -0500, Thumper <...@comcast.net
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:13:36 -0800, "Marcia R."
<...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
In my experience the newer camera's batteries are like cell phones.
I went out of my way to get a camera that had AA' a few years ago when
I bought a camera because I heard so much about the convenience. I
have regretted it ever since. I bought the highest quality batteries
and a good charger and lugged the batteries and charger with me on
vacation. As someone said the only thing you need with the
proprietary batteries these days is a charger that is little more than
a cord. This time I went out of my way to get one that didn't have
aa's
I rarely take more than a couple of hundred pictures a day and just
plug the camera in at night. If I wanted more I would buy a
proprietary battery spare. Check out the prices on new AA's and you
will see that there isn't much difference in price.
By the way, there is a different downside to the AA's. They can be
used for many other things and in my family people frequently would
"borrow" them from my camera bag and never put them back or throw them
out when dead forgetting that they were rechargeable
Thumper
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:36:10 -0500, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Marcia R." <...@newsfe22.iad...
They last many years. I have some that are at least 6 years old and still
charging.
--Tom
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:56:41 -0500, Rosalie B. <...@mindspring.com
Bill <...@prodigy.net
That's not my point. My point is that with a proprietary battery and
a spare, I wouldn't even have to look for batteries to buy because I
wouldn't need any. One more thing not to have to worry about and one
less thing to have to pay extra for in a foreign place.
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:57:48 -0400, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"peter" <...@stockton.com...
I would tend to disagree. It's much easier to delete the photos from your
computer. PLUS... let's say you take 3 exact same shots... until you can
view them all on the larger computer screen, it's impossible to tell which
might be better focused. Once you get home you delete the worst ones and
save the best ones. Or even easier, save them all by burning them to a CD
or a DVD and only keep the ones you want on your computer. I wouldn't
delete any during the cruise. Plus there's always the risk of accidentally
deleting the whole flash card.... why take the chance?
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:24:37 -0700, "Island Grampa" <...@shaw.ca
I agree with you Tom
Several times when I used to delete files on my camera to make room for more
pictures, the other shots were compromised. I lost all my Volcano pictures
in Hawaii and my shots from Manzanillo also were screwed up. The thumbnail
images were there, but the actual files would not open.
Now, I never delete anything from my memory card until I have the pictures
downloaded to my computer, than format the card before I use it again.
Tobie
"Tom K" <...@cv.net...
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:24:36 -0400, Bill <...@prodigy.net
The operation of deleting a single picture is much different
than erasing the entire card, so I don't think that is a
concern. There are some pictures you take which are obviously
bad and can be deleted as soon as you view them, especially if
you are running low on memory.
Bill
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:53:20 +0100, peter <...@stockton.com
On 10/31/09 5:57 PM, in article 4aec...@cv.net, "Tom K"
<...@optonline.net
All very valid points and you might add that deleting the excess pictures
directly from the card costs extra battery power. But, once home, not many
people are going to sort out a couple of hundreds of pictures, though new
software from both Apple and Microsoft may make it easier to do that.
Actually most of the people on our last cruise admitted that they hardly
look at the pictures they take once home. As Marcia doesn't even own a
camera right now, how likely is it that she'll be an enthusiastic
photographer?
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:34:13 -0400, Thumper <...@comcast.net
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:53:20 +0100, peter <...@stockton.comwrote:
That's me. I look at them once and usually never see them again
unless I am cleaning up my drives.
Just curios, how many of you actually look at those expensive wedding
pictures you had taken?
Thumper
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:12:35 -0700, "Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
You know me. LOL.
Marcia
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:10:15 -0400, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Marcia R." <...@newsfe07.iad...
Then... look for simplicity. You want to make sure the camera you buy has a
very standard memory card, not something unique like a memory stick (Sony).
See what your computer has for input slots. Many have an SD slot. If it
has one, then make sure your camera has an SD (like the Canon's). Compact
flash is becoming a more obsolete size card (it's too big) so stay away from
that.
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:50:11 -0700, "Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
Thanks. I saw those SD cards.
Marcia
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:59:24 -0400, Thumper <...@comcast.net
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:50:11 -0700, "Marcia R."
<...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
I look at it differently. It really doesn't matter what card you
get. All the formats will be around for a long time. You also don't
usually need a card reader any longer. Almost every new camera has an
usb port and cord so if your computer has USB you can download
directly from the camera in seconds.
Thumper
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:06:16 -0400, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Thumper" <...@4ax.com...
For a novice, that's a potentially much more difficult way to do it. Easier
to plug in the SD card and treat it as an E Drive.
--Tom
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:51:42 -0800 (PST), -hh <...@huntzinger.com
Thumper <...@comcast.net
Typically, to download in this fashion requires that the camera be
powered up, for which most people will run the camera off of its
battery. The question is what happens during a long transfer if/when
the battery dies?
What doesn't help matters is that from-camera USB transfers are
typically even slower than the already-not-speedy USB port transfers,
so a system whcih you can get it started, then go have lunch is
preferrable.
BTW, some printers have SD card slots built into them...you might not
need to spend $15 for a card reader.
-hh
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:07:29 -0700, "Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
Thanks, I'm writing all of these down. I also just read some really
good review about the Kodak EasyShare on CNET.
Marcia
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:37:55 -0400, Thumper <...@comcast.net
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:07:29 -0700, "Marcia R."
<...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
Just after I posted about the EasyShare m1033 my wife called from
Bermuda saying she dropped the camera and now it wouldn't take any
more pictures and said it was full. I had her reseat the 4 gig card
and all is ok now except for a couple of battle scars. The card must
have gotten slightly dislodge when she dropped it. I'm really
surprised it still works. Dropping isn't usually good for
electronics.
Thumper
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:23:20 -0400, frijoli <...@dud.gov
Marcia, Kodak makes decent cameras, but there "easy Share"
software sucks! I have 4 digital cameras currently ranging
from small point and click, to 2 DSLR "prosumer" cameras and
I have used dozens of models and brands.
I would recommend almost everything else as a preference
over Kodaks for ease of use, and convenience.
The Samsung SL102 is a pretty good little camera for the
money. Also, look at the "tough" series from Olympus if you
think it might get banged around, or wet. They are a little
bit more price wise, but they are VERY TOUGH cameras.
Clay
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:01:58 -0400, Thumper <...@comcast.net
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:23:20 -0400, frijoli <...@dud.gov
Why are you using the EasyShare software if you don't like it? You
don't have to. You can download just as if it's a removable drive and
there is plenty of free software to use. Try Picassa for some basic
downloading and editing.Thumper
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:59:57 -0700, "Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
Thanks everyone. My biggest problem seems to be one person likes one
thing and the next hates the exact some thing. That's happening here as
well as customer reviews online. Grrrr. As far as recharging batteries
go, at least for this cruise I'm guessing I'll be taking most of my
pictures as we're going through the fjord. Since we'll still be on the
ship...and probably on the balcony...I'll charge it before and after we
go through. How many pictures are we talking about per charge? I'm NOT
that much of a camera person, so I doubt that will be a problem. Since
I have some vision problems, I'll mostly be using the screen and not the
view finder. I'm not usually rough with my things. When you say wet,
do you mean like dropping it in water or just being out in the rain?
Marcia
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:50:46 -0400, frijoli <...@dud.gov
I say wet as in you can play catch in the ocean with it
without harm. They have a video to prove it!
If you're not going to do anything like that then don't head
that way.
Really, go to BestBuy and play with the cheapest cameras
there and see what you understand the easiest. You don't
need anything with special features, you need what you can use!
Stay with a name brand, and avoid Kodak, and you will be fine.
I forgot my camera when I went to a Vintage Motorcycle
rally, and took really good pictures for three days with my
cell phone!
Clay
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:59:33 -0400, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Marcia R." <...@newsfe18.iad...
On a good battery like the one that comes with the Canon Powershot Elf (they
often use the term Elf for the mini's but not always) that I gave you the
URL for, you can easily get 100-200 photos out of one charge.
If you're going to be in the Fjords, that gives even more priority for wide
angle as I said in my original post. You're SO close to the sides of the
mountains that you need wide angle at times to see things like the Seven
Sisters Waterfall in Geiranger Fjord.
I've done 2 trips to the fjords with my Canon Powershot. If you'd like to
see some of the photos, I have some at a website, e-mail me at
tkan...@optonline.net and I'll send you the link. It will give you a good
idea of the camera's capability.
--Tom
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:07:44 -0800 (PST), -hh <...@huntzinger.com
"Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
The AA battery debate is a good example - what it really comes down to
is that there are some good/bad things about either choice, so what's
important to the individual is what determines what's "better" (for
them).
For example, if your battery is dead, you can find (disposable) AA's
anywhere...but if you're very good about always keeping your battery
charged, then you're less likely to have this problem. But on the
other hand, if you have lots of little electronic toys, not having
them all standardized (such as on rechargable AA's), you're now toting
a half dozen chargers around...my AA charger is as small as my Canon
BP-511A battery charger.
IMO, probably the easiest advice to give her is to ask how well you
keep your cellphone charged. If you never have a problem because
you're a faithful recharger, then you don't need to worry too much
about having a dead camera because you forgot to recharge its
proprietary battery.
I think that you'll probably be okay with nearly any product today,
even though the "high resolution" answer is that it varies:
a) by the vendor's product,
b) by how much flash you use
c) by how long you leave the camera on between shots (the LCD display
burns power).
-hh
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:54:50 -0800, "Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
I keep my cell phone charged, so I'm good about that. Since I probably
won't be using the camera all that much, I'll probably just charge it up
the night before I know I'm going to take it someplace. I did see the
Canon at Costco yesterday, and I really like it. The fact that it's so
small and light means I can toss it in my purse probably more often than
a heavier one, which is good.
Can you give me a clue how many pictures we're talking about, even in
the worse case scenario? Is it 100 or 15???? I really have no clue
about this stuff yet, but can I just plug in the charger when I'm
looking through the pictures at the end of the day so I don't waste more
of the battery?
Thanks,
Marcia
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:23:10 +0100, peter <...@stockton.com
In the best case scenario the Canon will give you 260 pictures on a full
battery, the Samsung 102 (only $100, also 5oz) will give you 20 more.
And it comes in a color that McCann Erickson thinks women like.
http://tinyurl.com/ykaz3xw
I really have no clue
It's not like a cellphone, you have to take the battery out of the
camera and put it in the charger.
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:59:17 -0500, Thumper <...@comcast.net
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:23:10 +0100, peter <...@stockton.comwrote:
Really? My kodak charges through the charger cord directly to the
Camera. I thought most did these days.
Thumper
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:18:47 +0100, peter <...@stockton.com
I bought a Panasonic Lumix FX37 earlier this year and it has a separate
charger. So does my older Konica Minolta. Same thing with the Canon 1200
that Marcia was convinced to buy:
http://tinyurl.com/ckpgnz
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:37:33 -0500, Thumper <...@comcast.net
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:18:47 +0100, peter <...@stockton.comwrote:
One more reason I like my Kodak.
Thumper
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On 4 Nov 2009 21:43:12 GMT, Charles <...@his.com.remove.invalid
Thumper <...@comcast.net
There is a disadvantage to that. You can't use the camera when
recharging batteries. I would not buy a camera that did not have a
seperate charger.
--
Charles
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:20:11 -0500, Thumper <...@comcast.net
On 4 Nov 2009 21:43:12 GMT, Charles <...@his.com.remove.invalidwrote:
Oh well, You can't use a camera when charging the battery anyway
unless you have a spare(s). If you have a spare then you don't have
to charge the battery until later. I don't know too many people who
take that many vacation photos and if you do then you should have
several spares. We could go round and round. It's simply a matter of
what works for you. What I do know is that I have had 4 digitals
ranging from $700 for my first to$120.00 for the one I have now and
the newest on for me is the most convenient and actually takes the
best pictures. My body has a nikon D90 which takes incredible
pictures but he lugs a camera bag around with lenses etc and the
camera itself isn't small by today's standards. He takes pictures of
everything and sends tons to me which takes up a lot of room. Of
course we aren't talking the same thing that Marcia needs. I used to
lug around my Minolta and even at it's small size just got to be too
much on vacation, I found myself leaving it in the hotel safe. Also
if I get a camera wet or drop it I would rather it be $130 one than a
$700 one.
Cheers,
Thumper
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On 5 Nov 2009 21:16:16 GMT, Charles <...@his.com.remove.invalid
Thumper <...@comcast.net
I agree that all should go for what works for them. I don't think your
way is the wrong way even though I do it a different way.
On the cruise I am on now which is my rest and relaxation cruise I am
taking a rest after all the picture taking I did in Norway. I think I
have taken ten pictures. Been to all the ports and same type pf ship
before.
--
Charles
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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:08:08 -0500, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Charles" <...@news.individual.net...
Very good point. With a spare battery and a separate charger, you can
constantly keep one battery charging while the other is in use in the
camera.
--Tom
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:47:30 -0600, Old Sarge <...@richgreene.com
On 11/4/09 5:08 PM, in article 4af2...@cv.net, "Tom K"
<...@optonline.net
Most digital camera batteries today, fully charged, would be more than
enough power to shoot photos for days on end. I strongly recommend a camera
that takes regular rechargeable NimH AAA or AA batteries which are easily
found in any store. You may or may not be able to use the charger that came
with the camera, but small chargers are inexpensive. If one plans to take a
lot of video for YouTube or other uses, the battery will probably deplete a
lot quicker due to the constant motion and in service time. A separate
video camera should be used instead.
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:16:54 -0500, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Old Sarge" <...@richgreene.com...
I find it easier to charge my little camera battery overnight. On an
expensive vacation where I'd want to take 200-300+ pictures a day (Norwegian
Fjords, Baltics, Mediterranean), there's no way I'd risk shooting for
several days on one charge. That's a high risk, zero reward situation. Bad
odds, so to speak. I would never recommend to someone that they go for
several days on one charge, for fear that they lose out getting an important
photo.
My camera is so small and compact (just slightly larger than my cell phone)
that using AA batteries would basically double the size of the camera. To
me that's a terrible trade off. I simply don't want something that bulky
and heavy... like those huge, early generation cell phones. I want small
and compact. I think your recommendation to buy a camera that uses AA or
AAA batteries makes no sense. That's dated technology... which makes your
camera twice the size it needs to be. You're just lugging extra size and
extra weight. Illogical. If you take a lot of pictures, just buy a spare
battery instead of buying another battery charger. And they're much smaller
and much newer technology.
--Tom
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:25:41 -0600, NOSPAMER <...@richgreene.com
The drawback to not using AA or AAA batteries and using proprietary
batteries is cost. If I purchased a spare battery for my G-10 it would
cost me around $35.00, and for my digital SLR which uses BP-511's,
around $30. For those prices you could purchsed a lot of NimH AA or AAA
batteries, plus a small charger. If your batteries run low, just drop
into any store and pick up a pack of batteries. Beats the high cost of
manufacturer batteries. Fortunately for my G-10, I can take photos for
days on one charge, then again, size and color depth will depend on how
many I can get on my 4gb card. My SLR takes CF's and I have a 4gb mini
drive that fits as well. In either case, you need to lug a separate
charger along with you, unless you want to waste your money on regular
batteries.
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:33:19 -0600, NOSPAMER <...@richgreene.com
A couple more items:
My G-10 is small enough to fit in my pocket, PLUS it could take AAA or
AA batteries if Canon allowed it to do so. Therefore, your statement
about dated technology is moot. And dated technology also depends on if
you have a lot of spare cash on hand to stay up to date with daily
changes in technology. I for one am always a few steps behind and if I
don't need today's technology, I don't waste my money on it. I've had
the same cell phone for four years now and I find no reason to get a new
one and get sucked into another two year contract.
As for taking one fully charged battery to shoot a lot of photos, I
should have reworded my statement. I also wouldn't take just one fully
charged battery on a shoot. I meant to say that my G-10 will take
photos all day long without recharging depending on content. On a cruise
where you return to the ship every evening, I can do with one battery. I
also carry my digital SLR with me and I have several batteries for it I
found on ebay. They work very well.
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:55:40 -0600, Old Sarge <...@richgreene.com
On 11/4/09 7:18 AM, in article hcru...@aioe.org, "peter"
<...@stockton.com
A lot depends on how large the photos are you are taking. If for instance
you are like me and take photos at the maximum megapixel range PLUS in Raw
mode, you won't get too many photos on a 1 or 2 Gigabyte card as those
photos will exceed the capacity of the card. If you instead take photos at
the normal range of about 4 or 5 megapixels that will print well on 4" photo
paper, you should be able to save a days worth or even more to your card.
There are a lot of factors involved that I won't go into. If there's a lot
of white areas in your photo, that's basically zero space. If there's a lot
of dark colors, that's a lot of space. Experimenting well before a cruise
is a good idea so you can return the camera to the store in exchange for
another one if desired. Kodak sells well because it has name recognition
with film. It's my personal opinion the two best digitals on the market are
Nikon and Canon, with Sony running a close third. These of course are the
35mm Digital SLRs. You get what you pay for. Cheap camera, cheap photos.
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:57:41 -0500, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Marcia R." <...@newsfe04.iad...
With a new camera (not one that's 10 years old when technologies were very
different) you should get 150-200 pictures a day from a fully charged
battery.
Since I spent a lot of money to do Norway, I got a spare from Canon. My
worry wasn't how many pictures I was taking, but more that I was taking a
photo every minute or two while in the fjords and in the small towns and
cities, so it was constantly on. When I do that, I tend to turn the LCD
screen off in the back on occasion (when I think about it), but still don't
recall needing the second battery. And most days I got like 200 pics.
If you're going to take like 100-200 pics while in port, you'll be fine. If
you want to take a zillion pics while on the ship, you can always charge it
over lunch.
New batteries are much better technology, and new camera LCD displays don't
chew power like old ones did. Charge it overnight, every night. Don't let
people scare you. You'll easily be able to come home with 1000 pics. Your
bigger restriction might be memory card, but those are cheap these days. 2
Gig or 4 Gig cards are ultra cheap at Costco (I see a 4 gig for $20). For
one of those it doesn't hurt to have a spare. But again not necessary....
it just doesn't hurt.
--Tom
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:59:37 +0100, peter <...@stockton.com
On 11/4/09 12:57 AM, in article 4af0...@cv.net, "Tom K"
<...@optonline.net
As discussed, according to laboratory tests by CR: 260 shots on a full
charge.
Are you saying that on a 14 nights cruise you might end up with almost 1500
to 3000 pictures???? Then what?? How do you "manage" those pictures? Do you
ever revisit them?
I guess the answer is yes. I doubt that Marcia - who never bothered to buy
a camera - will be getting anywhere close to that number.
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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:41:18 -0800 (PST), -hh <...@huntzinger.com
peter <...@stockton.com
My personal record is ~4500 images in a single trip (two week Tanzania
safari).
However, one big thing with digital is that things are different
because of the change in "per image" economics: you're more willing to
try shots that you wouldn't consider with film because it was
'marginal' or 'redundant', because the cost of a single digital image
is very low.
It does require a software management tool (Apple's iPhoto, or other
manufacturer's copies thereof), and a good software tool will let you
sort & prioritize keepers quickly & easily than in the old days.
For revisiting, there's websites where one can upload images for
friends (smugmug, flickr, even facebook), as well as 'turnkey'
software that allows you to easily build your own website albums...
<http://www.photo-hh.com/Photos-I/Pages/Southern_Tanzania.html
...plus there's applications that allow you to digitally assemble your
own photo album, which then can be purchased online for the printing
of the hardcopy, or massage its output file and put a .PDF of it
online. An example:
<http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2006/Tanzania_album-2006s.pdf
In general, the laborious part of the project is in reviewing, to cull
down the number of "keepers". However, this is "revisiting", so this
can be managed to be enjoyable...it only becomes work when you're on a
deadline to get a photo album done as a gift, etc.
-hh
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:01:11 -0600, Old Sarge <...@richgreene.com
On 11/4/09 12:59 AM, in article C716...@stockton.com,
"peter" <...@stockton.com
I think when one buys a digital camera for the first time, they tend to take
photos of everything they see. The best part about going digital is the
fact you get instant results. If you don't like the photo, you can delete
it and make room for another. I have also found that especially on a
cruise, one tends to take a lot of ship photos and once that's finished,
there's nothing else to shoot except faces and ports. Well traveled
cruisers probably don't need cameras since they have seen everything before
anyway and have plenty of photos.
I saw no mention of anyone suggesting a device to copy the photos to such as
a small notebook computer with sufficient hard disk space or a DVD/CDR
drive, or one of those rather expensive Epson devices where you can insert
your card and move your photos over to it, erase the card, and carry on.
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:25:52 -0400, Thumper <...@comcast.net
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:16:18 -0700, "Marcia R."
<...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
Kodak easy share m1033. $119.oo at Walmart
Thumper
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Anonymous Wrote:
Never will forget the time I was on a tour bus in Hong Kong, and a
teenage asian boy boarded the bus carrying a tripod, and had 2 very
expensive cameras around his neck. I sat on the bus with my little
inexpensive brownie camera on the lap. Talk about feeling intimidated!
Lol
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:11:07 -0400, Paul Krause <...@comcast.net
In article <...@newsfe16.iad "Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
Look for something from Canon. Always top rated and takes great pictures.
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:12:53 -0400, Paul Krause <...@comcast.net
In article
<...@news.eternal-september.org Paul Krause <...@comcast.net
A great resource is http://www.stevesdigicams.com
has reviews on just about every camera out there
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:01:34 -0400, frijoli <...@dud.gov
+1
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:41:59 -0400, Bill <...@prodigy.net
I had a Canon S1 IS which was known to have a CCD problem (as
did many other of their models, it was a Sony CCD). Canon
offered a lifetime warranty on those models CCD's and when mine
died (the night before a cruise, just to keep it on topic here),
I contacted them, and they replaced it with an S5 (allegedly
refurbished but it looked new to me, they have since started
repairing the S1's and sending them back). After that, I am very
loyal to Canon.
BTW if you have a Canon camera or camcorder that is a few years
old and has developed a problem with a purple image in the
viewfinder, be sure to Google that model and Canon CCD and see
if it's covered as well. I went to a family event last year and
found two people who had the same camcorder that had died with
this problem, and they just stuck it in the closet and bought a
new one.
Bill
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:25:23 -0400, "LVTravel" <...@nothere.com
"Marcia R." <...@newsfe16.iad...
Haven't seen it mentioned on here, so here goes. Whatever camera you
purchase make sure that it uses standard batteries, such as AA size. If you
purchase a camera with rechargeable, proprietary batteries in them you WILL
run out of charge at exactly the wrong time and not be able to find a place
to plug in the charger and/or buy a new battery for the camera. With AA
type batteries you can purchase a replacement set almost anywhere but not
some of the harder to find standard camera batteries.
I own an older Sony camera (heavy body, viewfinder and small LCD, 3.2 MP)
and a newer Kodak camera (Easy Share Z1285, 12 MP), both of which I am happy
with that use AA batteries. I also own another Kodak camera (5 MP) that I
purchased two years ago prior to a cruise to replace the Sony camera that
used rechargeable batteries and they always died at the worst possible time
(even with a spare that I purchased at the same time as the camera.) Anyone
want to buy a camera cheap ;-)!
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:43:00 -0400, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"LVTravel" <...@news.eternal-september.org...
No way. Bad idea. Better idea is to get a spare battery and put it in your
pocket fully charged. It's not much larger than a "quarter". Another
"secret".... if you plan to use a camera all day, use the eye piece instead
of the LCD display. The LCD chews up a lot of battery power.
And AA's are way too big, and way to expensive when chugging through them.
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:30:56 -0400, Thumper <...@comcast.net
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:43:00 -0400, "Tom K" <...@optonline.netwrote:
I agree.
Thumper
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:59:42 -0400, Sue Mullen <...@comcast.net
When we are away and know we will be taking lots of pictures, we make
sure to charge it every night and have never had a problem. I have heard
a lot of people that buy camerss that uses AA's and they all complain
about them.
Tom, a lot of new cameras do not have an eye piece. Our new one, a year
old, doesn't and as long as we recharge the battery every night, we have
no problems with it.
sue
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:14:49 -0400, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Sue Mullen" <...@mid.individual.net...
I made sure my new one did have an eye piece. It was an important feature
for me.
--Tom
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:28:11 -0400, Sue Mullen <...@comcast.net
One year ago we got a new Olympus, no eye piece and never had a problem
with it. As long as we charge it every night, we have never had a
problem with battery life. I was more interested in how much zoom we have.
sue
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:04:26 -0400, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Sue Mullen" <...@mid.individual.net...
With new cameras with so many megapizels, zoom is less critical. You can
crop and end up with the equivalent of zoom. But you can't add scenery that
you could otherwise capture with wide angle. To me wide angle was more
important than zoom.
--Tom
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:18:29 -0400, Sue Mullen <...@comcast.net
Zoom will let you get some pictures that you couldn't get without a lot
of zoom. I take pictures with and without zoom, sometimes both ways, all
depending on what I am taking a picture of.
This is an example of a picture that would not of worked if I didn't
have a lot of zoom. This picture was taken from our balcony at French
Mans Reef in St Thomas and it would of been a dot without my being able
to zoom in on it:
http://family.webshots.com/photo/2225837250014545039fnAsYK
sue
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:05:21 -0400, "LVTravel" <...@nothere.com
"Tom K" <...@cv.net...
Some disagreement with your comments. At least we can agree to disagree.
Not all cameras have an eyepiece viewfinder (even expensive ones) and even
if they do, with two fully charged batteries (quarter sized) when using
flash do not last for the 150-200 flash pictures that I wanted to take in
one day as I have experienced with the proprietary battery system that I
described using Kodak's KLIC-7001 rechargeable batteries. Maximum flash
pictures I have ever gotten with a fully charged battery with that camera on
one battery was about 50 with the LCD screen on (it does not have a
viewfinder.) Over the life of the Li-ion rechargeable battery that came
with the camera (lasted about 50 recharges - less than one year's use) the
number of pictures I could take with it went down drastically between
recharges. The two replacements cost $30.00 each plus shipping and tax.
With the 12 MP camera, using standard alkaline AA batteries I get about 50
flash pictures . With 2 Energizer Lithium AA batteries I get 100 or more
flash pictures.
The AA batteries are not really that much larger in a pocket (I have a
carrier that will store two batteries together to keep the contacts away
from keys, etc.) As a matter of fact the rechargeable battery for the one
camera that I don't use often is 1/2 inch shorter but 1/2 inch wider than
two AA batteries. The two AA batteries are 1/4" thicker than the
rechargeable. Basically a tradeoff in size and considering the Lithium AAs
are the same weight as the rechargeable but lighter than the Alkaline, and
when bought in bulk, are not much more expensive than alkaline AAs I am very
happy using a readily available battery when I run out of power.
I also use rechargeable AA LI batteries in one camera (the Sony) but don't
really get a lot of flash reserve (about 20 flash pictures) but if no flash
I can get 50-60 shots using its LCD screen. Granted this camera has always
been a power hog even with the Lithium AA batteries that last so long with
the 12 MP camera.
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:43:00 -0400, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
Nope, you are wrong. Digital cameras have come a long way since they hit the consumer market. I will only purchase P&S cameras
that take AA's because you can buy batteries anywhere. My current one, a Canon S5 IS will take over 400 shots on a set of NiMH
AA's. In an emergency, using Alkalines it will take over 200. I keep 2 sets of charged AA's with it in plastic containers in the
camera case, they are not bulky. Of interest, my first digital camera, an Olympus C340L, took barely 50 shots on NiMH AA's but
only 10 on Alkalines.
I also own a big DSLR camera, but find it too bulky to take away on holidays so the P&S is the way to go.
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:35:57 -0400, Thumper <...@comcast.net
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 00:17:35 -0500, Gerry <...@email.com
I agree with using a camera that takes AA batteries. Normally we use
good grade rechargables but when we travel overseas with strange
voltages, it sure is handy to be able to buy some AAs at a local shop.
Came in very handy in China. Our travelling companion had problems
getting his proprietary Nikkon batteries charged. If possible, we like
to take our laptop along and download the pics to the hard drive each
night. We just ordered a 10" netbook. We'll be hauling that along on
our upcoming trips to Egypt and Israel.
Gerry
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On 1 Nov 2009 02:39:34 GMT, Charles <...@his.com.remove.invalid
"Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
You are not going to get much for $130. Might as well just use the
camera on your cell phone..,
--
Charles
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 02:32:05 -0500, Bill <...@prodigy.net
That is a ridiculous comment. Most people's cell phones cameras
are crap unless you have a high end phone, certainly not what
you'd want to use for vacation. I just checked Amazon and they
have a Canon A1100IS, 12mp 4x optical zoom with image
stabilization for $130. Is it the right camera for you? Probably
not. But for someone who said they only want to spend $130, and
has no use for it other than vacation, I am sure it will take
excellent vacation photos. Marcia should not feel pressured into
spending more than she wants just because you don't think that
there is anything usable under $250.
And yes, it uses 2 AA batteries.
Bill
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:10:06 -0700, "Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
I don't have a camera on my cell phone.
Marcia
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:26:32 -0400, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Marcia R." <...@newsfe14.iad...
Then spend the extra $50 on the Canon Powershot.... look at it this way,
you've spent a lot to go to Europe... kick in the extra $50 and get
something good instead of something you'll potentially be disappointed in.
It takes great pictures. It has a rechargeable battery that's tiny. The
camera is tiny so you can have it with you all the time. It has both
telephoto and wide angle. And SD is the most popular format... you can take
your photos to Walgreens on the SD card and they'll print them right there
for you.
Other than the extra $50, there's no downside. Want a TV? Buy Sony. Want
an old 35mm film camera? Buy Nikon. Want a mini digital? Buy Canon.
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:58:38 -0700, "Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
I don't mind spending a little more money. I just don't need a $300
camera, so I wanted to narrow things down a little. ;-) Please tell me
the model number of the Canon you mean. I see several different ones on
their website. Thanks.
Marcia
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On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 15:27:34 -0500, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"Marsha" <...@xeb.net
Mine is the Canon SD800IS, but it's an older model. It's the exact same one
Charles has, and I liked the fact his had wide angle, so I got the same one.
--Tom
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:10:16 -0700, "John Sisker" <...@sprynet.com
Wow! This is one of the quickest and biggest responses I have seen to an
off-topic post in a long time. And I am usually the one who gets the heat
for doing this. Oh, I know some will related it to a cruise in a way, which
is indeed alright, for that is mainly what the camera will be used for -
right?
In spite of the fact that I am a semi-professional photographer, along with
a long background in graphic design (including the Walt Disney Company),
this is something I don't think I am going to say too much about. For one,
most everyone is simply telling you about the camera that they bought,
almost to the point of trying to justify their purchase. Likewise, you will
also notice that everyone's recommendations seems totally across the board,
very inconsistent in their endorsement of brand, make and model.
Likewise, at that price range, you are not looking at professional
equipment, a nice camera to do the job yes, but not anywhere near the
quality of pictures that would fit the bill for me. Personally, my camera is
an Olympus, and that was only after must research and evaluation. Likewise,
my model has even been updated since I purchased it a few years ago, and
when I do consider upgrading, it will still be an Olympus. In fact, even my
sister and grand nephew when out and purchased an update model of my Olympus
after they saw the caliber and quality of the pictures it took. Yet, while
not into the real high-end price range of truly professional digital
cameras, the price range was still around $375.
I did notice that you said you would consider going a bit above the $130
price range, but I'm sure you are not taking about that high. However, even
without spending $375, today you can get a pretty good quality digital
camera that should definitely do the job for you. Since this was not the
first digital camera that I had purchased, in fact, being in photography
itself for many years, here are a few musts - at least in my eyes.
Based on actual experience, I would not consider any digital camera without
at least a 10x optical zoom (not digital). Likewise, while everyone seems
very concerned with the number of mega-pixels, which is indeed important,
just as important is the quality of the lens itself. I have seem many
so-called high-end digital camera with a high number of mega-pixels, take
rather poor quality pictures, simply because little concern was given to the
lens. That is why I opted for the Olympus that I did. It has a very high
quality lens.
The bottom line is really the photographers. As the old saying goes, cameras
don't take pictures, photographers do. I have seem some really great looking
pictures taken with the cheapest digital camera out there, and some really
bad pictures taken with the most expensive of cameras. It is just that with
the slightly most expensive cameras, it is a little easier to get those
really great shots, in addition to having the ability to do many extra and
special techniques.
John
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:41:18 -0700, "Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
I'm pretty sure I've settled on the Canon SD1200 at Costco...Thanks
again, Tom. I am buying it mostly for our cruise, since I'm not a big
camera person. I do appreciate all the input, so thanks everyone.
Marcia
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 08:24:45 +0100, peter <...@stockton.com
On 11/1/09 7:41 AM, in article h4aH...@newsfe15.iad, "Marcia
R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
That's a great choice Marcia. It's rated #2 by Consumer's Report with a
score of 71 (#1 is also a Canon, the wide-angle SD880 but priced $100
higher) and has a viewfinder. Of course, if you buy it at Costco for $180,
you will exceed your budget by about 50%. So make sure you will use it a lot
and that you'll bother to frequently watch your pictures. Otherwise, an
iPhone would have been a much more versatile alternative - as someone
correctly suggested, phone cameras take very decent pictures these days.
Don't forget to read the SD1200 manual carefully. Consider a photography
course, that will help you use the camera's many capabilities to the
fullest. HAL and Celebritry ships typically offer basic photography courses
free or for a nominal fee.
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:41:53 -0500, Bill <...@prodigy.net
Yes, and it will only cost $30 a month for 2 years for a data
plan that I doubt she needs. What a great deal. She said she
doesn't even have a camera on her phone. What are the odds she
has any interest in something like an iPhone???
Bill
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:58:26 -0800, "Marcia R." <...@spamlessinlasvegas.net
That would be no interest at all. ;-)
Marcia
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:25:13 -0500, Brian K <...@earthlink.net
Marcia R. wrote On 10/30/2009 8:16 PM:
I would first check out Consumer Reports at your library. Look for a
current article that will usually include a section about how to
select/buy a digital camera.
A good online source of reviews technical is Cnet. They even have video
clips demonstrating the pluses and minuses of cameras they review. My
personal suggestion is look for a camera that you can grow into; after
you learn the basics you may want some additional features. Some that
I've found useful are a macro setting, a spot/average metering toggle,
various flash settings including red eye reduction and fill-in flash.
Another useful option is a connection for an external flash and a means
of using one or both. Indoors I've used an external flash to bounce the
flash off of the ceiling for a softer lighting source.
Having all kinds of advanced settings are of little use if you cannot
select a setting easily. For me user settable shortcuts are a must for
specialized settings I use frequently and don't want to dig through
nested menus to turn the setting on or off.
--
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:07:22 -0500, Thumper <...@comcast.net
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:25:13 -0500, Brian K
<...@earthlink.net
My camera has almost all of that except a hookup for external flash
for $130. My guess is that Marcia will never want to use one. My
house is full of cameras that I thought I would grow into.
Thumper
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:25:37 -0600, "D Ball" <...@removespamball.net
Hi, Marcia,
Wow, you sure know how to start a conversation, LOL!
I am so late to this discussion, you've probably already made your purchase
by now...but just in case you're still deliberating, I'll offer two thumbs
up for the Canon you found at Costco that's within your budget because in my
very lay camera user's opinion, Canon offers more bang for the buck in the
"entry level digital compact camera for casual photographers" market.
And for folks like you and me, who are such casual photographers that we
will rarely if ever exhaust battery power as a result of a single day's use,
the whole discussion about camera batteries is really irrelevant. If you can
remember to put the camera battery in a charger at the end of every
day...just like you do with your cell phone, iPod, laptop, etc....you'll be
AOK. (Investing in a backup is a good idea, too. I recently had to buy a
replacement battery and was so put off by the ridiculously high retail
prices, I hit the 'net and found the best price at batterydepot.com (for a
proprietary new in the box, not a refurb or off-brand) and they accepted
PayPal, which I like to use for privacy purposes.)
What I like about Canon compact line is, their cameras are so easy to use
and still deliver great quality. I'm not saying you're a dummy, but for me,
the "for Dummies" version is really and truly all I want...in fact, if it's
not easy to use, I won't use it, wholly defeating the purpose! My husband is
a gadget purchaser (and would consider himself a lay expert on this
particular consumer item), so since the inception of compact digitals, we've
owned and tried out a lot of them. Canon has definitely emerged as a
favorite, and I love, love, love the one I claimed as "mine," the
now-discontinued SD 880 model (which I think is the same one both Tom and
Charles said they owned...not such a coincidence when you consider most
reviewers ranked it #1 in the under-$300 category for a relatively long
time).
I know you will be relieved just to make a decision and start having fun
with it. Good luck!
Diana Ball
Austin, TX
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:22:40 +0100, peter <...@stockton.com
On 11/3/09 7:25 AM, in article 7la0...@mid.individual.net, "D Ball"
<...@removespamball.net
You may be AOK, but if it's a NiCd battery it won't; it will suffer from the
so-called memory effect. Li-ions shouldn't have this.
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:04:09 -0800, "John Sisker" <...@sprynet.com
I though I would just cut to the chase on this one, since there seems to be
so much side talk; from everything from brands and makes of cameras, to what
type of batteries it does or does not use.
As I had mentioned before, I personally purchased an Olympus digital camera.
If some would note, I purposely did not mention the model, for what I have
is a more expensive one and seems to be way out of line for what you are
looking for anyway. My point in mentioning the Olympus to begin with is,
that it is a well know brand name with a good reputation, and perhaps should
warrant some consideration on your part. Likewise, while many other brands
were mentioned as well, so was the make and model, almost to the point of
some tying to justify their own purchase. Remember, misery sometimes loves
company, so instead of just getting what someone else tells to you to get,
you are far better off in determining your intended use of the camera to
begin with. That is... is it just for vacation type snap shots? Do you
intend to e-mail some pictures to friends and family? Will you want to put
your picture in one of those online photo albums? Do do want to print out
hard copies of select images? All this, and more, should be the first
questions you need to get answers to.
But now I want to add my 2-cents as well to the discussion on batteries.
Likewise, I also noticed that some seem to be complicating what could
actually be a rather simple solution. Therefore, let me tell you what I have
done with my Olympus, that is, for what it is worth. Obviously, this may or
may not work for others. My camera does use special batteries, which are
obviously more expensive than buying generic ones at the local drug store.
Yet, of the other hand, it can also use 4 - AA batteries instead. That was a
major selling point to me, and the fact that 4 batteries were required, not
just 2. This way, I can take a lot more pictures, even with flash, with 4
batteries than I could with a camera that only takes 2. The disadvantages
is, the camera is a bit bigger and heavier than some of these pocket size
digital cameras. But size was not my concern; professional quality and extra
features was.
I ended us with a pretty stock routine while I am out taking pictures. I
purchased 3 sets of 4 each rechargeable batteries. Oh, while I am thinking
of it, I simply throw the recharger in my tote bag, and not once have I ever
been stopped or questioned at any airport or cruise line terminal. Now,
while I am out and about taking pictures of just about everything I can, I
have one set of recharged batteries in the camera itself, but another set
with me as a backup just in case the first set can no longer do the job.
Meantime, back in the hotel and/or cabin, I have the third set charging up
all day, so I can simply use those for the next days shoot. It's easy,
simple and works like a charm. Likewise, on one set of recharged batteries,
I can easily take 200+ pictures, and with flash if necessary. This is just
food for thought, but something worth considering.
Smooth sailing to all...
John Sisker - SHIP-TO-SHORE CRUISE AGENCY
(714) 536-3850 or toll-free at (800) 724-6644 & (Agency ID: 714.536.3850)
http://www.shiptoshorecruise.com
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:42:08 -0500, "Tom K" <...@optonline.net
"John Sisker" <...@earthlink.com...
I gave up on a bigger/heavier camera at least 20 years ago. It's just too
much trouble dragging a big camera around with everything else these days.
At least for me. I like small and portable. I like a laptop over a
desktop. I like a mini camera over a large size camera. I like a small
cell phone that easily fits in my pants pocket. I like mini binoculars that
I take to sporting events or on cruises. Dragging around a big camera bag
is not what I want to do on vacation. I want a tiny camera that fits in my
pocket. My whole camera isn't much bigger than 4 AA batteries.
Your plan sounds logical if you don't mind lugging around a big camera, but
no way I want one. My old heavy Nikon has been collecting dust for 25 years
or more...
--Tom
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:34:33 -0500, Brian K <...@earthlink.net
Tom K wrote On 11/2/2009 4:42 PM:
But now I want to add my 2-cents as well to the discussion on batteries.
If you don't have camera shake compensation a certain amount of weight
helps keep the camera steady during low light conditions where flash is
not permitted.
--
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