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free market fundamentalists austrian, chicago, calgary schools of
crank science, just cannot grasp what deflation is, and what it does to a
economy:Bank of England Governor Mervyn King should print money now and
abandon economic assumptions that have failed to save the U.K. from its worst
recession since World War II
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Anonymous Wrote:
free market fundamentalists austrian, chicago, calgary schools of
crank science, just cannot grasp what deflation is, and what it does
to a economy:Bank of England Governor Mervyn King should print money
now and abandon economic assumptions that have failed to save the U.K.
from its worst recession since World War II
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=aWPDskg_8RFE
King’s BOE Should Print Money in U.K., Fathom Says (Update1)
By Svenja O’Donnell
Feb. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Bank of England Governor Mervyn King should
print money now and abandon economic assumptions that have failed to
save the U.K. from its worst recession since World War II, a group of
former central bank economists said.
King and his colleagues are too reliant on an economic model that
doesn’t pay enough attention to credit and housing bubbles, said Danny
Gabay, director of Fathom Financial Consulting and a former author of
the bank’s quarterly inflation report. Ignoring these key drivers of
the downturn bears “some responsibility for the current malaise,” he
said.
“Things are awful,” Willem Buiter, a former member of the central
bank’s rate-setting panel, said at a panel discussion in London today.
“This is a globally coordinated slump. Bank rates should be at zero
and should have been there for a while.”
The Bank of England has so far stopped short of increasing the supply
of money even after cutting its benchmark rate to a record low of 1
percent this month. Officials should now cast off the mindset of “the
Threadneedle Street establishment” in favor of faster action and
“bold, fresh thinking,” Fathom says, referring to the central bank’s
address.
‘Printing Money’
“The bank should be printing money by now, and should have started
doing it some time ago,” said Gabay, who will present an alternative
approach to the crisis in London today. “The framework at the Bank of
England is based on an economic nirvana. If you assume, as we feel
they did, that it represents reality, you end up in the kind of mess
we’re in now.”
Buying homes on the verge of repossession to add money to the economy
may prove an effective tool to fight the recession, Fathom says. U.K.
economic prospects may be even “bleaker” than those released in the
Bank of England’s quarterly inflation report tomorrow, it forecasts.
The Bank of England’s inflation-targeting approach, which King helped
draw up in the 1990s, is showing cracks after successfully helping
policy makers keep consumer prices under control for most of the past
decade. Inflation breached the Bank of England’s upper 3 percent limit
last year after a surge in oil prices. The credit crisis has now
sparked fears among policy makers that inflation will turn negative in
coming months.
‘Framework Worked’
“The Bank of England’s analytical framework worked well in terms of
anchoring inflation between 1997 and 2007 but its inability to respond
to the housing bubble and the subsequent crisis of the last 18 months
has exposed its shortcomings,” said Gabay.
U.K. gross domestic product will drop 2.8 percent this year, the most
since 1946 and more than any other industrialized country, the
International Monetary Fund said on Jan. 28. The Bank of England said
last week there’s a “substantial risk” inflation will undershoot its
central 2 percent target.
Purchases of homes by the Bank of England would help put a bottom on
the decline in the housing market and help fight deflation by pumping
money into the financial system, Fathom says. Housing sales in Britain
dropped to the lowest level since at least 1978 in the quarter through
January, the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors said today.
“The underlying problem in the economy lies in falling asset prices,
notably housing,” Fathom said in the report. “The government should
buy houses directly and instruct the Bank of England to print the
money to pay for them.”
Interest Rates
The Bank of England on Feb. 5 cut the benchmark rate to 1 percent, the
lowest level since the bank was founded in 1693. The Treasury last
month granted it unprecedented powers to buy assets, as rates head
towards zero, forcing the bank to adopt less conventional monetary
policy tools.
DeAnne Julius, who served on the Bank of England’s policy committee
from 1997 to 2001, said she wouldn’t cut rates any further than 1
percent and urged Brown’s government to limit the budget deficit.
“The situation is indeed dire,” Julius said. “Britain cannot afford to
run budget deficits of 8 percent to 10 percent of GDP for any length
of time. Britain is not the U.S. I would like to see the government
commit itself to a cap on the budget deficit -- rather than saying
we’ll do whatever it takes whenever we need it.”
To contact the reporter on this story: Svenja O’Donnell in London at
sodo...@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: February 10, 2009 04:42 EST
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:16:59 -0800 (PST), Werner <...@mac.com
Britain is hardly known for free markets. Government budget deficits
are a function of politics, not free markets.
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea -
anyone who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. The Fed is making a lot of
paper fish. This is an illusion of wealth. The real fish are gone.
----
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/how.shtml
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Feb 10, 6:16 am, Werner <...@mac.com
You really need to give it up. It is a statement about your poor
character as a reflection of it in your stance towards others.
Greed is not good. Greedy people can game any political or
economic system.
People of character will not ignore the needs of others. They
will share in required deprivation while they try to mitigate it.
I'll admit that my character doesn't match my ideal. I have
not been able to weigh all of the alternatives when face with
the depravity of greedy people. Is it better to deny them
their lust by exceeding their skill at harvesting or to act as
if they did not exist? I don't sufficiently mitigate the effects
to third parties who lack the tallents and skills to compete.
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:59:23 -0600, kim <...@everywhere.net
I agree. I have seen greedy people behave in a way that I wish they
were locked up in the high security prisons that houses the most vile
criminals.
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:06:39 GMT, "Econotron" <...@hotmail.com
<...@z27g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
free market fundamentalists austrian, chicago, calgary schools of
crank science, just cannot grasp what deflation is, and what it does
to a economy:Bank of England Governor Mervyn King should print money
now and abandon economic assumptions that have failed to save the U.K.
from its worst recession since World War II
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=aWPDskg_8RFE
Kings BOE Should Print Money in U.K., Fathom Says (Update1)
By Svenja ODonnell
Feb. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Bank of England Governor Mervyn King should
print money now and abandon economic assumptions that have failed to
save the U.K. from its worst recession since World War II, a group of
former central bank economists said.
[snip]
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Sure. The same people, who did not have a clue what was going to happen and
issued no warnings, have now crawled out of the hiding places to teach us
what to do, what stocks to buy, and how to run governments. Fathom, Kramers,
Paulsons, Summerses, Geithners - they know better. But let us hear from
someone who did make the right calls (although not as consistently as few
others):
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02092009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/our_deadly_debt _154169.htm
and the original article:
http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/03/america-japan-recession-opinions-columnists_02 05_nouriel_roubini.html
(just links, not to deprive the OP of cutting and pasting pleasures :-))
e.
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Feb 10, 10:06 am, "Econotron" <...@hotmail.com
hehehe, of course he is taken out of context, just as you take me out
of context, because you do not understand, you are standing at the
north wall, whilst the real problem is at the south wall.
what roubini means, and i have listened and read much of what he has
said since the early 1990's, is that we need to clean up the banks,
just as FDR did. some will have to fail, others will need to be busted
up, and the management replaced. it was what FDR did as one of his
first acts. he declared a banking holiday, closed down the bad banks,
replaced the bad management, seized the toxic liabilities,
recapitalized the banks, stabilized the toxic crap into real assets,
and sold them back a few years later.
japan did not do any of that. instead they kept the banks alive.
japan was, and is a nation of savers, with low inflation, yet they
keep on deflating.
you already have a historical period where nothing was done, and it
failed miserably, 1928-1933. same for japan, 1989-2009.
prior to 1950, inflation peaked during the 1920-1933 period, from
1933, till 1950, inflation actually dipped back down to pre 1920
levels. yet we spent like wildfire, to re-inflate.
so roubini is not advocating doing nothing, he is advocating for
cleaning them up. roubini has ferverently spoken out against laissez
faire. he calls it the law of the jungle, and a dismal failure, and
rightly so. he has advocated for flooding the world with money, to
defeat deflation, before it sets in, all contrary to austrian dogma.
that is the reason austrian economics is called crank science. they
will grasp at any straw, take history out of context, rewrite history,
take others out of context, anything to alter reality, to fit their
dogma.
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Feb 10, 10:06 am, "Econotron" <...@hotmail.com
the true face of a deflationary spiral, it maybe to late to reverse
this in a short time period:Wholesale inventories plunge by most in 16
years, Despite the sharp cut in inventories, sales are falling even
faster, which means it is taking longer for distributors to sell their
goods
we may see even further asset deflation, and slashed retail pricing,
of course that means more unemployment, which means more deflation.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Wholesale-inventories-plunge-apf-14309035.html;_y lt=Asc0D1A0c6McF1ukQqJFXO67YWsA
Wholesale inventories plunge by most in 16 years
Wholesale inventories plunge 1.4 percent in December, steepest drop in
16 years
• Christopher S. Rugaber, AP Economics Writer
• Tuesday February 10, 2009, 10:27 am EST
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Wholesalers cut back on their inventories in
December by the largest amount in 16 years, slashing stockpiles amid
the deepening recession.
The reduction means wholesalers ordered fewer new goods, leading to
reduced production and potentially more job layoffs.
The Commerce Department said Tuesday that wholesale inventories
plunged by 1.4 percent, nearly double analysts' expectations of 0.8
percent. It also was the fourth straight monthly decline.
Sales at the wholesale level dropped 3.6 percent, slightly steeper
than analysts' expectations, but less than November's record 7.3
percent drop.
Wholesale inventories are goods held by distributors who generally buy
from manufacturers and sell to retailers. They make up about 25
percent of all business stockpiles. Factories hold another third of
inventories and the rest is held by retailers.
Despite the sharp cut in inventories, sales are falling even faster,
which means it is taking longer for distributors to sell their goods.
The inventories-to-sales ratio rose to 1.27 in December, up from 1.24
in the previous month. The ratio measures how many months it would
take to clear inventories at the current sales pace. The ratio is at
its highest level since March 2002.
Slowing retail sales are sending shock waves through the supply chain,
forcing wholesalers to rapidly reduce supplies as their sales slow.
Consumers are cutting back on spending as jobs disappear and major
investments, such as homes and retirement plans, decline in value.
Consumer spending plunged more than 3 percent in the third and fourth
quarters of last year, the steepest consecutive drops since records
began in 1947.
Many retailers last week reported sharp sales drops in January. Target
Corp. reported a 3.3 percent decline in same-store sales, or stores
that have been open at least a year.
J.C. Penney Co. Inc.'s same-store sales fell 16.4 percent. Macy's Inc.
sales sank 4.5 percent and the company also announced that it would
eliminate 7,000 jobs, or almost 4 percent of its work force.
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