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On 22 Jan 2009 01:42:30 GMT, Jim Yanik <...@abuse.gov
Jim Thompson <...@4ax.com:
Canada has much the same thing with their Human Rights Court.
And it is coming here soon enough,with Obama elected and a Democrat
majority.
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Jim Yanik
jyanik
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kua.net
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:02:38 -0800, xray <...@msn.invalid
On 22 Jan 2009 01:42:30 GMT, Jim Yanik <...@abuse.gov
Like this?
http://www.dearzachary.com/bailreform/
(The movie is an excellent documentary.)
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:35:18 -0800 (PST), "J.A. Legris" <...@sympatico.ca
On Jan 21, 8:42 pm, Jim Yanik <...@abuse.gov
Human Rights Court???
We have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms but no special court. Laws
against hate-speech seem to work well-enough. We use them to muzzle
Nazis, racists, etc. Saves ammo.
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Joe
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:39:07 +0000, Eeyore <...@hotmail.com
Well ..... Hitler WAS supported by certain Muslims. It's historical fact.
Graham
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On 27 Jan 2009 04:26:33 GMT, Jim Yanik <...@abuse.gov
flipper <...@4ax.com:
they both definitely hated Jews.
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Jim Yanik
jyanik
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:18:14 GMT, Jan Panteltje <...@yahoo.com
On Jan 21, 4:57pm, Jim Thompson <...@My-Web-Site.com
As the Dutch government is one of the most precise followers of US policy,
and this announcement comes on the day Obamama grabbed power,
it would not surprise me one bit if they had first checked
with the US administration 'if it was a good idea' to do that.
I have seen that movie, it was a bit strong, but not untrue.
You may as well forbid the Koran too then,
So, if it is the new US administration's way, then YOU Thompson,
will have no other choice as to make Texas independent and become its king,
as you must have terribly upset the Oba-mama-ists by calling them 'leftists weenies'.
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 00:49:57 -0800, xray <...@msn.invalid
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:18:14 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<...@yahoo.com
Jeez! Aren't you guys taking notes? How can you argue policy points when
you don't have your basic geographic facts right??
GWB is clearly going to be the king of Texas.
Thompson will be a friendly neighbor monarch in the very dry republic of
ARIZONA. His first pronouncement will be to banish hot dogs as leftist
food. Book burnings and banishments or imprisonments may follow.
Larkin isn't tipping his hat, but may lead a coup to take control and
overthrow the Governator of Californication.
Some of this may be deferred for a time now.
Friggin' uniformed foriegniers!
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:04:51 +0100, "Frithiof Jensen" <...@diespammerdie.jensen.tdcadsl.dk
"Jan Panteltje" <...@news.datemas.de...
Nah - the Dutch are totally pussywhipped multi-culti weenies like the
Norwegians are; the Norwegians even made it the law that you have to prove
innocence of the "racism" that the <minority ethnic
Actually, It was crap: Nothing you could not get (worse) in 15 minutes from
liveleak.com or nothingtoxic.com .
That will happen - does people really think the rest of the country can
afford washington in the not-so-very long run. What we see now is smaller
currencies squished because everyone knows that the USD being the big
gorilla in the room will go down last. Once the USD goes in the tank - which
it will somewhere around 4 years into Obama's presidency, the sane states
will secede from the US and leave the nutters to hang.
Same can happen to the EU too. Ireland and England have this stench of
default around them.
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Anonymous Wrote:
On 21 jan, 18:18, Jan Panteltje <...@yahoo.com
Fat chance. The interesting point about the court ruling was that the
governemnt - specificly the ministry of justice -had decided not to
prosecute Gert Wilders, and a lawyer had disagreed with this choice,
and had found a way to take it to court.
The Dutch government is probably decidedly unhappy with the court -
the last thing they want is more publicity for the right-wing rat-bag,
and neither they nor the court in Amsterdam who made the ruling would
have consulted with any American on the subject.
If the law professor who was talking about the ruling on the news
tonight is anything to go by, the Amsterdam court's ruling was
distinctly worrying, since it effectively convicts Gert Wilders of
hate speech without his having had a chance to argue his case.
Not really. The Koran has been around for a while, and is an integral
part of a recognised religion. Gert Wilders is a right-wing politician
who wants to make political capital out of people's anxieties about
foreign minorities.
<snipped the rest of the silly speculation
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:39:05 GMT, Jan Panteltje <...@yahoo.com
On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:16:06 -0800 (PST)) it happened
bill...@ieee.org wrote in
<...@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com
Have you seen the movie?
Simply answer yes /no
that movie, in fact ,does _nothing else_ then quote the Koran.
So if you ban the movie, you should ban the Koran too,
Not exactly.
He is right wing, as far as that word still has meaning, but you must be aware
of the Islamic forces, for example the murder of v Gogh, based
on the intolerance of some Islamic people in the Netherlands.
The way politics work, is that all those forces can come together and _talk_,
to defuse potential bombs like that.
A too literal interpretation (I can call it fanaticism) by religious groups
always leads to violence.
So Geert Wilders has a point pointing out those dangerous parts of that book,
the Koran.
Re-education of those who come to the Netherlands as to accept our culture of
tolerance is the least on can propose, and that includes learning to look at
once own idiotic ideas, and idiotic aspects of your own pet religion.
We would not accept a second 'inquisition' by the Catholic church either.
Any one proposing to do such a thing would be strongly fighting
the freedom we gained when fighting the Spanish in the 80 year war.
That is where the house of Oranje, the current monarchy has its roots.
You should really read up on the history of the country you are guest in.
Hell, you cannot even spell his name (Wilders) correctly.
And you always insult the other poster.
What is wrong with you?
Or do you have a science degree in politics too? If so what political party are you with?
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:06:00 +0100, "Bill Sloman" <...@ieee.org
"Jan Panteltje" <...@news.datemas.de...
No.
Selective quotation can create a rather misleading impression.
Every community has its lunatic fringe. Van Gogh went out of his way to
provoke Muslim fundamentalists, and he had the misfortune to provoke a
card-carrying psychopath who happened to be a Muslim.
Then - by your logic - he should also have pointed out the dangerous parts
of the Bible, which have prvoked a war or two in their time.
Tell that to Rouvoet (leader of the Christian Union faction in the Dutch
lower house).
I've read Jonathon Israel's History of the Dutch Republic twice now, not
to mention his Radical Enlightenment (on Spinoza). If you had, you'd be
less vocal about Dutch tolerance. You'd also be aware that the current
house of Orange has a fairly tenuous connection to William the Silent.
Sorry, It should have been Geert Wilders.
Only when they post nonsense.
Nothing that getting a job wouldn't cure.
I don't have a degree in political science, but then
again, I don't have a degree in electronics either.
None at the moment - I vote for the PvDA in the
local elections (where I do have a vote). I was active
- at the local level - in the U.K. Labour Party when I
lived in Cambridge, but that is a while ago.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:34:19 -0700, Jim Thompson <...@My-Web-Site.com
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:06:00 +0100, "Bill Sloman"
<...@ieee.org
>lived in Cambridge, but that is a while ago.
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:54:02 GMT, Jan Panteltje <...@yahoo.com
On a sunny day (Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:06:00 +0100) it happened "Bill Sloman"
<...@text.nova.planet.nl
Yes, but accusing him (Wilders) of selective quotation
would make it very difficult to address any issue.
Usually (and the Koran is a large work, as is the Bible), you
talk about that part that is an issue.
You do not talk about tubes either when discussing Hfe for transistors.
So, I can live with his 'selective quotation'.
Yes, v Gogh was provoking.
But that murderer was sort of sucked in (as others were, like that 'shoe bomber')
by fanatic Muslims, who were probably more then happy to
find somebody to do the dirty work,
So it is those fanatics, and their scriptures, or the part of the scriptures
they use to justify their lunatic ideas (did I offend somebody, bad for you then),
that you want to, let us say, 're-educate'.
Now re-education can be locking them up too, if normal arguments and methods
do not help, or at least send them back to wherever they came from.
This has already been done with some Muslim preachers that
were a bit too much.
I would suggest locking up a catholic who insisted that you burn all non
pope believers too.
It is nothing fundamentally against Islam, just against the idea of imposing
your ideas on others with force.
Well, I do not know the man, but I am sure he does not want to kill anybody
he disagrees with.
At least I hope so.
Well, these are difficult times, you could start something yourself perhaps.
You seem to have a background in chemistry, you know electronics, so maybe you
can make some stuff....
Ever tried to contact the VU in Amsterdam?
http://www.vu.nl/nl/werken-bij-de-vu/index.asp
They have a chemical-electronics lab for example.
Those people design electronics for the various experiments.
And maintain the equipment, from mass-spectrometer to NMI to DNA related
stuff, etc..
I was with the PVDA once, but got a bit pissed when they wanted to go green,
and then voted here locally against the windmills because of 'horizon pollution',
and / or noise.
No big line, just a lot of infighting.
And Bos is an ex Shell man, oil man, extension of GWBush.
Now, OK Netherlands lives from oil... natural gas, so that is OK.
Current government is not bad, wonder what changes Obamama will induce here.
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:31:10 +0100, "Bill Sloman" <...@ieee.org
"Jan Panteltje" <...@news.datemas.de...
The question is whether Wilders is "addressing an issue" or
drumming up anti-minority feeling to generate more interest in
his grubby little political party. The court should be able to
work this out.
The question is whether the Muslim minority in Dutch society should have
put up with his enthusiastic demonisation of their culture and values.
That invokes some kind of international conspiracy, which didn't feature in
the
reports I read about the trial of the murder and the other memebers of his
potty little group.
As a number of Americans have taken the trouble to demonstrate, Christian
scriptures can be interpreted as supporting equally daft ideas. Wilders'
dislike of
the Koran does lead him to blame the culture for psychopathic behaviour
which
comes up in all cultures.
I've got no problem with that.
That sounds like a very good idea. But take a leaf out of the Russian book
and
call the jail a "psychiatric institiution".
I've got no problem with that either
But he is happy to invoke the force of law to compel people to conform to
his own irrational ideas.
I did that at Nijmegen University for a few years, but the people who were
doing
that work were all around my age, and they wanted to make room to hire
younger
engineers in the usual Dutch fashion. I did apply for that kind of job from
time to
time, but I stopped getting interviews when I turned 60.
I don't think so. Shell saw the sense in claiming to be green a long time
before
Exxon-Mobil, and I suspect that Bos was always a politician first and an a
Shell employee second.
Not a lot. There may well be more enthusiasm for reducing CO2 emissions, but
not when it puts any kind of perceptible restriction on economic growth, at
least
not in the immediate future.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:11:37 -0700, Jim Thompson <...@My-Web-Site.com
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:31:10 +0100, "Bill Sloman"
<...@ieee.org
>not in the immediate future.
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:26:26 -0600, Kris Krieger <...@dowmuff.in
Jan Panteltje <...@news.datemas.de:
I haven't seen the movie, but I've gotten about halfway through a
translation of the Koran. Although there definitely are quotes that one
could take out of context and present as an excuse for violence, the same
is, and has been, true of both the Old Testament and the New Testament.
Not to mention writers as diverse as Jung, Nietzche, Blake, and so on, ad
infinitum.
So, no, one cannot ban an original book because sone or another person
cherry-picks qoutes and uses them to "justify" or promote criminal actions.
[snip]
[snip]
As I mentioned, I didn't see the film, so I have no idea whether its tone
was educational, or whetehr its tone was intended to promote violence
againt ALL/ANY people who follow the Koran.
As with the Bible, most of the people who follow it look at the overal
spirit of it, and apply it to leading a peaceful, productive life;
unfortunately, however, there are always a few poeple who love violence,
and cherry-pick a line here, and line there, in an attempt to legitimize
their own inability to actually solve problems, or get along with others.
Of course, that is pretty muich the same thing that proponents of religios
persecution do. It's one thing to point out the pitfalls of such a
practice, and diffuse the power of such cherry-picked phrases, but it's an
entirely different matter to claim that all/any who read one religios book
as opposed to another should be subject to violence.
At the same time, I personally think that no nation should be *required* to
alter its fundamental laws, ideals, valuies, and/or character so as to suit
immigrants - if once chooses to go to a certain country, on eassumes it's
because one likes the overall culture and wishes to be a part of it. There
is a difference between preserving one's heritage, and attempting to
forcibly mold an entire nation and its populace into becoming a carbon-copy
of the country you chose to leave.
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:48:14 GMT, Jan Panteltje <...@yahoo.com
On a sunny day (Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:26:26 -0600) it happened Kris Krieger
<...@dowmuff.in
I think it is on youtube, but have not tried it there now:
http://www.fitnamovie.net/tag/fitna-youtube/
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:16:48 -0600, Kris Krieger <...@dowmuff.in
Jan Panteltje <...@news.datemas.de:
I saw part of something that was filed under "FITNA" but was mostly a
partial history of Isalm, as seen froma Western perspective - I know
somehting of the history, and what I saw did not diverge from that. The
Arabic tribes *were* in contention with one-another, they did worship
multiple gods, and many of the tribesmen did resent Mohammed's teachings
about the One God of Abraham (he was, after all, *quite* familiar with both
the Old Testament, and the teachings of Jesus), and there was fighting
between those who chose to follow Mohammed's teachings, and those who did
not.
Most of the associated links, however, demand an email addresss and
"account signup" to see the clips/films, which IMO sucks - I'm sick and
tired of having to provide my personal info to every tom, dick, and harry
who demands it =
As I mentioned, tho', I've gotten through about hald of the Koran in
translation, and I don't find it to be all that much more violent than the
Bible. The main difference is in the number of people who emphasize (and
vastly expand) the idea of "holy war". It seems to me that the emphasis on
violence is, for those individuals, both personal and specifically-
cultural, by which I mean, someone who grew up in unending wartime
conditions is likely to have a more violent view of the world than is
someone who grew up in peace and prosperity.
As for recruiting, any leader of a violent group, and any cult leader,
knows enough about psychology to find, and manipulate, potential converts.
Fo one thing, many young poeple do tend to see their parents' generation as
unjust, and many young poeple also do seek a higher cause, whcih is, BTW,
is not in any way asscoiated with their parents!, to which they can
dedicate themselves. It's therefore (and for other reasons as well) not all
that difficult to manipulate young people, especially since they haven't
yet seen enough of life/the world to have developed skepticism.
Islam in and of itself is no worse than the Old Testament, or much of
what's in the letters of Paul, or so on. The difference is in the fact
that a certain violent subgroup was able to gain a great deal of money and
power (see Wahibism: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wahabism) which
it has used to overpower the more peaceful messages of the Koran and of
Islam.
It's idiotic to compare the Koran to 'Main Kampf', unless of course one has
never read either. As with all other religious extremism and wars/violence
based thereupon, people with a propensity for violence and a lust for power
tend to be good at manipulating the less Machiavellian members of the
population, and know that one fo the fastest ways to manipulate people is
through their religious beliefs. Much evil is propagated via religion, not
because religion is inherently evil, but because too many people are ready
and willing to trust even the most crass manipulator merely because the
latter invokes the name of God and cherry-picks lines from holy writings
that seem to support his (or her!) manipulations.
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:29:02 GMT, Jan Panteltje <...@yahoo.com
On a sunny day (Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:16:48 -0600) it happened Kris Krieger
<...@dowmuff.in
Yea, I have a very very long list of passwords and user names for 'sites'.....
And encrypted it too.
All religions basically come from the same experience inside that us humans
can have.
That is very true, and I fear for the future generations of those Palestinians,
for sure Israel must be creating people that will for generations want to destroy it.
Until one day they get nukes, and that will be the end of Israel.
Predictable.
Not that wars will end there... no way.
I have some personal experience,
the religious leaders, be it Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Krishna, or whoever, were not so much
into war, but the followers, without the 'master', have their own agenda of power,
and they will threaten to kill, and actually kill, just to gain
their objectives, objectives that have nothing to do with what their
founders were about.
I have been threatened too.
New generations....
I have not read the Koran, except those excerpts, and some pieces.
Where do you have that translation from?
I started on Mein Kampf, but after a chapter or so it go so much into Jew hating
it made me sick, so I stopped reading.
Sure Hitlers policies were sick.
I am not Jewish, and disagree completely with what Israel does in Palestine,
but that crap in mein kampf is anti-human.
OTOH it is just possible that it was sort of snapback reaction to what the Jews did
in the past.
I mean there must be some sort of reason.
It also shows how a bad leader can make the masses do anything, no matter how
irrational it may be.
Maybe it is that many people never learned to observe and analyse for themselves.
The way the school system is, it is known Hitler (and GWBush) and others like
them, never address the intelligentsia, just the ignorant masses, and the masses outnumber
the intelligentsia, so 'democracy' then support those leaders.
Exactly.
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:58:21 GMT, Rich the Philosophizer <...@example.com
I think that religious believers of all flavors are going to be terribly
surprised when they get to the pearly gates and find out that Satan has
been in charge all along.
Cheers!
Rich
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:25 pm, Vladimir Vassilevsky <...@hotmail.comwrote:
And the Falklin Islands are Argintine territory too.
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:52:33 -0600, Vladimir Vassilevsky <...@hotmail.com
WTF are you talking about? "Every american knows that there are only two
countries in the word: the United States and Texas" (c) Mark Twain.
VLV
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Jan 21, 9:44 pm, "Tut...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org"
<...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org
Thanks, I don't spend too much time checking my spelling here becuase
I know that it gives others the oportunity to show their stuff!
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 03:41:29 -0800, xray <...@msn.invalid
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:59:04 -0800 (PST), bule...@columbus.rr.com
wrote:
Falkland, Flakland, Falkin, who gives a falk? They're all Floriners,
right? We're Amerikans! They'll figger out what we ment.
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:51:30 -0700, Jim Thompson <...@My-Web-Site.com
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:44:35 -0800,
"Tut...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org"
<...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org
How about "Argintine", you dumb shit-for-brains?
...Jim Thompson
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Liberals are so cute. Dumb as a box of rocks, but cute.
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:22:46 -0800, JosephKK <...@yahoo.com
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:51:30 -0700, Jim Thompson
<...@My-Web-Site.com
Oh no, jim is getting potty mouth like dimbulb.
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:38:48 -0700, Jim Thompson <...@My-Web-Site.com
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:22:46 -0800, JosephKK <...@yahoo.comwrote:
AlwaysWrong, and all his nyms, drive me to it ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:45:31 -0800, JosephKK <...@yahoo.com
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:38:48 -0700, Jim Thompson
<...@My-Web-Site.com
Do not descend to its level, you owe it to yourself to hold yourself
to a higher standard.
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:29:11 -0500, PeterD <...@hipson.net
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:18:14 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<...@yahoo.com
I wasn't aware that they were part of the US now. When did they apply
for statehood?
If it is not untrue, then it *MUST* be protected. If not then you have
a true leftist weenie state.
Excellent idea. It is certainly a work designed and written to instill
hate and violence.
Jim simply calls 'em as he sees 'em... Nothing wrong there. You can
either have freedom of speach, or not. There is little or no middle
ground.
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:29 pm, PeterD <...@hipson.net
"speach"?
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:46:37 -0700, Jim Thompson <...@My-Web-Site.com
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:29:11 -0500, PeterD <...@hipson.net
I was recently confronted by a local school teacher who proclaimed
that she was offended by an editorial I wrote for Ahwatukee Foothills
News.
To which I replied, "Tough titty".
She was NOT amused ;-)
I then went on to point out that "offended" is a self-inflicted
wound... get over it, it's protected speech.
I sure hope so. If we're overcome by "feel good" we're doomed :-(
...Jim Thompson
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Labor Unions Cause Global Warming
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 03:11:40 -0800, xray <...@msn.invalid
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:46:37 -0700, Jim Thompson
<...@My-Web-Site.com
From the smiley, I guess you were.
While you're around, "feel good" won't be a prevalent problem.
Thanks for saving us from that.
If you are into protected speech, why do you keep plonking people who
annoy you?
It is a self-inflicted wound. A mild "tough titty" from the other guy,
and you make a pronouncement and eliminate them from upsetting your
sensibilities.
Unilateral. Hypocritical? Overweening cocksureness? Probably all but
mostly the latter.
Ok. Understood, you have your criteria and rules. For a while the
offender wears a star in your mind. If they transgress again,
banishment. Hmmm, sounds familiar somehow.
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On 22 Jan 2009 01:45:52 GMT, Jim Yanik <...@abuse.gov
Jim Thompson <...@4ax.com:
You shoulda asked here where the "right to not be offended" originated,or
told her there's no such right.
Leftists rarely are when their beliefs are opposed.
Leftists operate on feelings,not rational thought based on real data.
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Jim Yanik
jyanik
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kua.net
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Anonymous Wrote:
On 22 jan, 02:45, Jim Yanik <...@abuse.gov
Jim does have his little delusions, based on gut feelings, rather than
real data.
In fact it is rightists who have this weakness. Al Gore wrote a book
about it recently
"The Assault on Reason" ISDN 978-0-7475-9097-2
which includes extensive documentation. Admittedly, most of his
examples are drawn from the
antics of the Bush-Cheney administration, whose faith in non-existent
weapons of mass destruction and Sadddam Hussein's support for Al Qeda
makes them a particularly easy target.
Closer to home, Jim-out-touch-with-reality-Thompson is another fine
example of the breed.
John Larkin has equally silly ideas, but at least he can support them
by references to pseudo-scientific books - "The Bell Curve" is the
classic example - written to make Republicans feel good about their
favourite delusions. If he broadened his reading a little he might
post less off-topic nonsense.
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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:26:31 -0700, Jim Thompson <...@My-Web-Site.com
On 22 Jan 2009 01:45:52 GMT, Jim Yanik <...@abuse.gov
In case you haven't noticed I tend to play "shock and awe" on
people... it's so much fun ;-)
The newspaper editor has called me many times, laughing so hard he was
gurgling ;-)
Unfortunately a few times he's refused to print what I said... like,
when bicyclists in Spandex think it's proper to cycle side-by-side
down a 50MPH thoroughfare, I said, "Do I get extra points if I run
over more than one of them at a time?"
Queers, fairies, and Democrats... is there a difference ?:-)
...Jim Thompson
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Liberals are so cute. Dumb as a box of rocks, but cute.
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Anonymous Wrote:
On 22 jan, 03:26, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-
Site.com
Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson confirms his status once again.
Since Barak Obama is a happily married Democrat with kids, as are Bill
Clinton and Al Gore, we have to assume that Jim Yanik is going to
write off Jim Thompson as a leftist, or at least ask him to post
evidence documenting his belief.
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 03:28:12 -0800, xray <...@msn.invalid
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:26:31 -0700, Jim Thompson
<...@My-Web-Site.com
Jim, sweetie. What a guy.
Hey, hey, hey. Cute "shock and awe" jokes.
Even if I was a government sanctioned baby killer, (and essentially I
was once) I'd stay on the other side of the room from you to protect my
reputation.
You are such a great spokesman for your cause. Keep up the verbal vomit.
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:50:19 -0700, Jim Thompson <...@My-Web-Site.com
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 03:28:12 -0800, xray <...@msn.invalid
Don't you just love freedom of speech ?:-)
...Jim Thompson
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Liberals are so cute. Dumb as a box of rocks, but cute.
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:05:03 -0800, JosephKK <...@yahoo.com
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:26:31 -0700, Jim Thompson
<...@My-Web-Site.com
Oh, you are trying to be a neocon toxic shock jock. Thanks for
telling.
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:21:04 -0700, Jim Thompson <...@My-Web-Site.com
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:05:03 -0800, JosephKK <...@yahoo.comwrote:
Of course. I have admitted, in prior posts, that a major flaw in my
personality type is that I enjoy tweaking people to the point of their
enragement... just for sport ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:41:22 -0800, JosephKK <...@yahoo.com
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:21:04 -0700, Jim Thompson
<...@My-Web-Site.com
You seem to have gotten tired of tweaking Bill Slowman, why is that
case different?
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:52:51 -0700, Jim Thompson <...@My-Web-Site.com
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:41:22 -0800, JosephKK <...@yahoo.comwrote:
He became boorish and repetitive, so I simply eliminated him ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 00:52:08 +0100, "Bill Sloman" <...@ieee.org
"Jim Thompson" <...@My-Web-Site.combericht news...@4ax.com...
I wonder when Jim will get around to eliminating himself?
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:10:56 -0800 (PST), Richard Henry <...@hotmail.com
On Jan 21, 11:46 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.comSome is some isn't. How a bout a link to your editorial?
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Anonymous Wrote:
On 21 jan, 20:29, PeterD <...@hipson.net
They didn't. Jan is being silly.
The right to free speech doesn't extend to shouting "Fire" in a
crowded theatre.
And get rid of the Old Testament while you are about it.
Jim may call them as he sees them, but his vision is more than a
little distorted. The protection of free speech doesn't license libel
and slander, or speech acts that appear to be designed to provoke
breaches of the peace.
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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:06:52 -0800, "Joel Koltner" <...@yahoo.com
<...@a39g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
"The right to free speech doesn't extend to shouting "Fire" in a
crowded theatre."
Yes, but it should definitely extend to the expression of filthy, awful,
hateful *opinions* said (and drawn, animated, etc.) by those you oppose.
I agree with you that pretty much all religious books have plenty of hate and
violence in them, although there is a marked difference in how much emphasis
different books place on the continued use of violence as a means to an end.
"Jim may call them as he sees them, but his vision is more than a
little distorted. The protection of free speech doesn't license libel
and slander, or speech acts that appear to be designed to provoke
breaches of the peace."
That last bit ("...designed to provoke breaches of the peace") is a very
slipperly slope -- plenty of people felt that, e.g., Martin Luther King's or
the Black Panthers' speeches were designed to provoke breaches of the peace,
after all.
Many of the laws we already have are redundant anyway -- it's absurd to make
it a crime to talk about, e.g., your desire to physically harm someone you
find offensive, when you're obvious breaking the law if you actually take
action on that desire. And it's not like people murder folks they like -- in
all likelihood there was plenty of hate *think* involved before the murder was
committed, so what's the point in making it a worse crime to talk hatefully
about someone and then kill them over just killing them without ranting about
it in the first place?
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 03:03:02 +0100, "Bill Sloman" <...@ieee.org
"Joel Koltner" <...@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
Perhaps.
Martin Luther King organised and encouraged non-violent protest, and it is
would be somewhat unreasonable to blame him for the consequent breaches
of the peace. Bull Connor wasn't all that reasonable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_Connor
The Blank Panthers were something rather different.
As long as it's your desire to physically harm someone, there might be some
substance to your objection, though in practice emphatic verbal
confrontation
can be unpleasant enough to constitute an offense in its own right.
Inciting others to commit illegal violence is isn't covered by your caveat.
Take a look at the former Yugoslavia, and think again. Slobodan Milosevic
incited Serbian nationalism as a means to maintain his own political power,
and seems to be largely responsible for the disintegration of Yugoslavia
and
the consequent civil wars between the various fragments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobodan_Milo%C5%A1evi%C4%87
It took quite a while to end the fighting. If he'd been clapped in jail
somewhat
earlier in his political career, quite a few lives could have been saved,
and the
ex-Yugoslav refugees I got to know when I was learning Dutch might well
have had easier and more productive careers.
He's not the only politician who has exploited divisions within his
community
as a route to political power, and it's an approach that I'd like to see
vigorously discouraged.
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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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On 22 Jan 2009 01:58:00 GMT, Jim Yanik <...@abuse.gov
"Joel Koltner" <...@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com:
Sure it does,but that right doesn't protect you from the consequences of
your action,if someone were harmed by a FALSE claim of "fire".
There's no prohibition against shouting "fire" in a theater if there
actually is a fire.
How else could people debate things?
If some things are "taboo",then they cannot be discussed.It's like trying
to discuss homosexuality;if you say something contrary to the Politically
Correct theme,you are branding "homophobe",Fascist,etc.
No mentioning the negative aspects of homosexuality.It's taboo.(in the PC
world.)
I note Tom Hanks is calling Mormons "anti-American" for backing their
beliefs with donations to the Kalifornia Prop 8 referendum;seems to me that
IS exactly the American Way;to voice your opinions and support politically
those who believe the same way.
IOW,Incitement to riot.
The Muslims certainly do a lot of rioting,when they get "offended" by
comments on Islam or Mohammed.
But nobody calls THEM on it.
Supose the statement is designed to invoke DEBATE or discussion?
Well,there is a difference between "conspiracy" and discussion.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
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kua.net
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:15:49 -0800, "Joel Koltner" <...@yahoo.com
"Jim Yanik" <...@74.209.136.84...
I wonder what they charge someone who yells "fire" (when there isn't one)?
"Disturbing the peace?"
Yep, agreed.
There's often a thin line between "incitement to riot" and "vociferous
expression of free speech." :-) (Although I have a hard time thinking the
printed word or illustrations could ever be considered incitement...)
Some people consider "debate" as "breaches of the peace." :-(
I'm assuming conspiracy followed by murder... seems that just arresting the
guy for "murder" covers it -- I always figured "conspiracy" is on the books
only in case the cops find out about the crime before you actually commit it.
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:39:52 -0800 (PST), Martin Brown <...@nezumi.demon.co.uk
On Jan 22, 1:06 am, "Joel Koltner" <...@yahoo.comwrote:
I am inclined to agree. And in the UK we have more liberal free speech
laws than on parts of mainland Europe. One UK historian David Irving
has famously been prosecuted and jailed in Austria for his Holocaust
denial.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4733820.stm
But then we were never occupied by Nazi Germany. On the continent they
do have some specific laws about Holocaust denial for instance. There
is still a fear there of another ultra-right NeoNazi party.
I don't approve of censorship, but I do think the guy should be made a
pariah for the lies that he peddles. YMMV
The Koran itself is no worse than the Bible. Some extremist readings
of it are pretty bad though. And in historical times before the
Christians started the Crusades against Islam the main world religions
coexisted fairly amicably. Some of the greatest seats of learning were
in the Islamic world and scholars of every religion were welcomed to
work on translations of original books on algebra and astronomy into
Latin. The mathematics and some of the observations that led
Copernicus to propose a heliocentric universe came from Persia.
What put the Western world ahead was that with the advent of the
printing press movable type was much more amenable to the Roman family
of languages that to Arabic script. From that point European
scientists had the advantage of relatively cheap mass prodiced books
to disseminate learning.
Incitement to riot, race hate or murder are the ones that the UK will
act upon - for example the odious Abu Hamza.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4690224.stm
I believe he will be extradited to the US after he gets out of our
jail.
Regards,
Martin Brown
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:19:23 -0800, JosephKK <...@yahoo.com
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:39:52 -0800 (PST), Martin Brown
<...@nezumi.demon.co.uk
Complete and utter nonsense. Movable type works for all languages
that have character based scripts. Comparing cursive forms to
separated character forms is a disingenuous red herring at best.
>Martin Brown
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:19:23 GMT, Rich Grise <...@example.net
I once went to Taipei, Taiwan on R&R. (ca. 1972). Wandering the streets, I
passed by a shop of sorts where there were a dozen or so typists using
Chinese Typewriters, that typed in Chinese characters. They were similar
to this: http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsall/images/typewrit.gif
and seeing them in action was fascinating - there were hundreds of type
slugs on a movable carriage, and the typist would move it around until the
character she wanted was under the crosshairs, and press a large lever
which sent a sort of little claw-thing to pick up the typeslug, and whack
the platen with it, put it back, and so on.
The pic is the closest one I could find to what I saw, but I hope it gets
the idea across.
Cheers!
Rich
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:09:00 -0800, JosephKK <...@yahoo.com
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:19:23 GMT, Rich Grise <...@example.net
Based on similar principles I'll bet. Your photo seems to be an early
printer.
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:21:32 -0800 (PST), Martin Brown <...@nezumi.demon.co.uk
On Jan 24, 5:19 pm, JosephKK <...@yahoo.com
The problem appears to have been more one of implementation. Early
printed Arabic books are incredibly rare - they stayed with manual
transcription for longer. I understand the Bodleian library in Oxford
has the earliest known printed book in Arabic type dating from 1514. A
part of the problem was that the typesetters made a much larger number
of mistakes. And mistakes were considered intolerable in sacred works.
An *extremely* rare first printed edition of the Koran (replete with
lots of typos) has been found in one of the major libraries. It is the
only copy known. There is a series at present on BBC4 exploring the
various contributions of Arabic science to the Renaissance in Europe.
http://www.cems.ox.ac.uk/exploring_texts3.shtml
(IIA2 para 8)
It served European conquerers to play down the level of sophistication
of Persian astronomy, medicine and science. But you only have to look
at the names of things like alcohol, alchemy, algebra, algorithm, and
even the common bright star names that US telescope makers
(annoyingly) still use for telescope alignment even today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khwarizmi#Astronomy
Modern convention uses alpha, beta, gamma <constellation namedescending order of brightness for the naked eye stars. This is a lot
easier than "Alcor" that requires you to know which star in the sky
has that name. Most people can find Polaris. They eventually "fixed"
this problem by adding a GPS reciever so the scope can roughly point
towards the right star and the user then just has to tweak it a bit.
Regards,
Martin Brown
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:05:52 -0800, JosephKK <...@yahoo.com
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:21:32 -0800 (PST), Martin Brown
<...@nezumi.demon.co.uk
It is a mixed blessing / curse. On the other side of the coin the
abruptly lower cost of decent optics and frames for primary lens /
mirror sizes from 70 mm to 700 mm and even above coupled with the
astonishingly better ease of use has created an armature astronomy
resurgence that may shame the 1960s. I think i will take the renewed
interest in astronomy.
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:05:50 -0600, krw <...@att.zzzzzzzzz
In article <...@yahoo.com says...
Which constellation is the "motor"? ;-)
IMO, the reason amateur astronomy hasn't taken off again is light
pollution. Even a halfway decent comet isn't seen by most.
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:48:15 GMT, Jan Panteltje <...@yahoo.com
On a sunny day (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:05:50 -0600) it happened krw
<...@att.zzzzzzzzz
I wanted to buy a big telesscope some time ago, but some stuff was
only available in the US, and too heavy to ship, then
I sat back and did some sanity checks:
Why build a small Keck in your garden, while you can get 10000x better
pictures from the internet?
So that saved some money. freezing cold nights sitting outside too.
In my view, the days of that stuff are counted (not for everybody I know).
There is so much data online, not only from earth based telescopes,
but also from Hubble etc, better quality data too, that it makes
little sense spend a small fortune to get worse results.
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:25:51 -0500, Spehro Pefhany <...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:48:15 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<...@yahoo.com
Very little is "too heavy to ship". Certainly not good telescopes,
where the shipping cost is usually less than 10% of the value, even
for used 'scopes.
http://www.takahashiamerica.com/catalog/documents/PriceList1.pdf
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:48:36 -0800 (PST), Martin Brown <...@nezumi.demon.co.uk
On Jan 27, 3:25 pm, Spehro Pefhany <...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhatwrote:
Most of the stuff available worldwide will be AstroFest in London 6-7
Feb (Friday is quieter and the really keen amateurs are there then
when the vendors have time to talk).
http://www.astronomynow.com/astrofest/
Find a local society if you are serious about owning a scope. That way
you won't get burned with something that ends up as a very expensive
hitech doorstop.
Taks are Japanese scopes and available in through European dealers
too. APM on the continent has a fair amount of interesting and some
bigger gear by US designer TMB. As do several enterprising Russian
makers - unclear to me how good their newest stuff is. Some of it was
optically very good in the past if a bit agricultural mechanically.
A few monster scopes are rarely available. There is someone in the UK
trying to sell a 50" f5 Newtonian at the moment (comes with a large
step ladder - the focus can be up to 250" that's 20 feet off the
ground). An 18" scope I used as a student nearly killed someone who
leaned over a bit too far one night to get a better view.
Regards,
Martin Brown
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:33:49 GMT, Jan Panteltje <...@yahoo.com
On a sunny day (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:25:51 -0500) it happened Spehro Pefhany
<...@4ax.com
Sure, US ships hole armies...
Does not mean I want to pay for it.
Internet is faster, cheaper better.
None of that is needed if you have DSL.
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:44:00 -0800 (PST), Martin Brown <...@nezumi.demon.co.uk
On Jan 27, 1:05 pm, krw <...@att.zzzzzzzzz
Unfortunately the leading US maker looks like it might go pop :(
Dunno but there are two of them in my LX200.
That spelling mistake is particularly annoying when it occurs in
sci.astro.amateur
Sadly true at least in cities and many folk have never seen the Milky
Way either.
Although there are plenty of dark skies around in the countryside.
About the darkest US site I have observed from was near Zion Canyon.
They have very good anti-light pollution statutes on the very few
lights that there are out there in the desert. Same applies around
some of the US optical observatories although people moan about the
requirement for almost monochromatic low pressure sodium lights.
The big new thing in amateur work is using cooled CCD to survey
galaxies in amateur-pro collaborations and modified cheap webcams to
exploit moments of good seeing. Amateurs can now get some stunning
results with modern gear at relatively modest cost. The star alignment
makes it like a professional scope in that you dial in what you want
to look at and it appears magically in the eyepiece (on a good day).
The old timers whinge on about star hopping being the one true way.
Most astro club members are aging ones from the glory days of Apollo.
Regards,
Martin Brown
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:42:31 -0600, krw <...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:44:00 -0800 (PST), Martin Brown
<...@nezumi.demon.co.uk
Andromeda is the impressive one, IMO. All it takes is a pair of
7x50s, or similar. In fact, when I was a kid we spent the better part
of a night trying to find it in a 6" Newtonian, until I picked up the
binoculars. We'd found it alright. We were looking right through it.
;-)
Even small cities are pretty bad. I remember far better viewing when
I was in HS than I've ever had since. I haven't lived in a big city
either. Rural Vermont was really dark but about the only time it
wasn't cloudy was when it was -10F or lower.
I hear AZ has some pretty tough light regulations.
I liked the challenge of star hopping. If I want neat pictures I'll
go to APOD, my home page.
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:46:26 -0800, JosephKK <...@yahoo.com
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:44:00 -0800 (PST), Martin Brown
<...@nezumi.demon.co.uk
I have a friend that just loves his 18 inch Dobsonian mount. He can
look at some of the brighter colorful nebulae and see the color with
naked eye.
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:43:28 -0800, PhattyMo <...@not.net
So,then.. You must be fine with the KKK spewing hate,and pure ignorance
all over the place? Or the people in the middle east spouting off how
much they hate the USA and want to kill us? Do you use the N-word much?
They have the right to free speech too,they can say whatever they
like,but that doesn't make it 'OKAY',or even...intelligent.
(IMHO,The KKK/white power folks are the dumbest mortar forkers on the
planet.Bar-none.)
I'm all for free speech,but they're right -The line has to be drawn
somewhere.
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:14:29 -0800, PhattyMo <...@not.net
Fine,You Mother Fucker.
Better? Happy now?
Go choke on a pretzel fuck wit.
In some situations foul language is unbecoming..But,Not to worry,I
usually swear like a sailor in my normal everyday life.
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:56:40 +0000, Raveninghorde <raveninghorde@invalid
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:43:28 -0800, PhattyMo <...@not.net
Last time I was over the pond working in a factory in Florida I said
that finding a problem was like looking for a nigger in a wood pile.
Wow, I was hurried out of there PDQ.
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:19:21 -0800, PhattyMo <...@not.net
In some places in the south,I'm sure that word is still used fairly
commonly....Up here,You'll get your ass beaten PDQ -And not just by the
black people.
I have terminated long-term friendships over racist shit like that. It's
completely uncalled for.
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:35:45 +0000, Raveninghorde <raveninghorde@invalid
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:19:21 -0800, PhattyMo <...@not.net
There's nothing racist about a word. It's all about the way it is
used. I only posted because of your PC crap, "the N-word". It's
stupid. The Q-word the F-word the W-word the M-word.
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:47:43 -0800, PhattyMo <...@not.net
It's called respect.
I'm free to say (or type) "nigger" all I want,but would rather not.It's
been carelessly thrown around for too long already.
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:19:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <...@yahoo.com
On a sunny day (Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:53:35 -0800) it happened UltimatePatriot
<...@4ax.com
That is not correct.
The forming of gangs has nothing to do with drugs.
Parrot Killer Jive
And neither with schematics.
An other Jompson political rant there started,
due to lack of other on topic input.
Jompson is Spam Gang
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:59:33 GMT, Jan Panteltje <...@yahoo.com
On a sunny day (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:56:14 -0800) it happened UltimatePatriot
<...@4ax.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^^^^
That word alone gives away the original poster.
Needed an other alias?
Well, it seems you are mentally disabled.
I am sorry for you.
In this severe case of you it makes no sense to try
to educate you on the history of gangs, human behaviour and such.
Have yourself treated, or, get well, maybe a gang ....
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