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Ten questions about flu vaccines that doctors and health authorities refuse to answer

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:43:20 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

NaturalNews.com printable article
Originally published October 16 2009

Ten questions about flu vaccines that doctors and health authorities
refuse to answer

by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

(NaturalNews) Vaccine mythology remains rampant in both western
medicine and the mainstream media. To hear the vaccination zealots say
it, vaccines are backed by "good science," they've been "proven
effective" and they're "perfectly safe."

Oh really? Where's all that good science? As it turns out, there's
isn't any. Flu vaccines (including swine flu vaccines) are based
entirely on a vaccine mythology that assumes all vaccines work and no
vaccines can be scientifically questioned. Anyone who dares question
the safety or effectiveness of vaccines is immediately branded a
danger to public health and marginalized in the scientific community.

Here are ten questions vaccine-pushing doctors and health authorities
absolutely refuse to answer:

#1) Where are the randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies
proving flu vaccines are both safe and effective?

Answer: There aren't any. (http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v...)

#2) Where, then, is the so-called "science" backing the idea that flu
vaccines work at all?

Answer: Other than "cohort studies," there isn't any. And the cohort
studies have been thoroughly debunked. Scientifically speaking, there
isn't a scrap of honest evidence showing flu vaccines work at all.

#3) How can methyl mercury (Thimerosal, a preservative used in flu
vaccines) be safe for injecting into the human body when mercury is an
extremely toxic heavy metal?

Answer: It isn't safe at all. Methyl mercury is a poison. Along with
vaccine adjuvants, it explains why so many people suffer autism or
other debilitating neurological side effects after being vaccinated.

#4) Why do reports keep surfacing of children and teens suffering
debilitating neurological disorders, brain swelling, seizures and even
death following flu vaccines or HPV vaccines?

Answer: Because vaccines are dangerous. The vaccine industry routinely
dismisses all such accounts -- no matter how many are reported -- as
"coincidence."

#5) Why don't doctors recommend vitamin D for flu protection,
especially when vitamin D activates the immune response far better
than a vaccine? (http://www.naturalnews.com/027231_V...)

Answer: Because vitamin D can't be patented and sold as "medicine."
You can make it yourself. If you want more vitamin D, you don't even
need a doctor, and doctors tend not to recommend things that put them
out of business.

#6) If human beings need flu vaccines to survive, then how did humans
survive through all of Earth's history?

Answer: Human genetic code is already wired to automatically defend
you against invading microorganisms (as long as you have vitamin D).
(http://www.naturalnews.com/027231_V...)

#7) If the flu vaccine offers protection against the flu, then why are
the people who often catch the flu the very same people who were
vaccinated against it?

Answer: Because those most vulnerable to influenza infections are the
very same people who have a poor adaptive response to the vaccines and
don't build antibodies. In other words flu vaccines only "work" on
people who don't need them. (And even building antibodies doesn't
equate to real-world protection from the flu, by the way.)

#8) If the flu vaccine really works, then why was there no huge
increase in flu death rates in 2004, the year when flu vaccines were
in short supply and vaccination rates dropped by 40%? (http://
http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v...)

Answer: There was no change in the death rate. You could drop
vaccination rates to zero percent and you'd still see no change in the
number of people dying from the flu. That's because flu vaccines
simply don't work.

#9) How can flu vaccines reduce mortality by 50% (as is claimed) when
only about 10% of winter deaths are related to the flu in the first
place?

They can't. The 50% statistic is an example of quack medical
marketing. If I have a room full of 100 people, then I take the 50
healthiest people and hand them a candy bar, I can't then
scientifically claim that "candy bars make people healthy." That's
essentially the same logic behind the "50% reduction in mortality"
claim of flu vaccines. (http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v...).

#10) If flu vaccines work so well, then why are drug makers and health
authorities so reluctant to subject them to scientific scrutiny with
randomized, placebo-controlled studies?

Answer: Although they claim such studies would be "unethical," what's
far more unethical is to keep injecting hundreds of millions of people
every year with useless, harmful vaccines that aren't backed by a
shred of honest evidence.

Vaccine voodoo?
The vaccine industry is about making money, not actually offering
immune protection against the flu. Whether people get the flu or not
is irrelevant to the bottom-line profits of the drug companies. What
matters most is that people continue to take the flu shots, and making
that happen depends entirely on pushing the vaccine mythology that
infects the minds of doctors and health authorities today.

There was a time when all "good" doctors believed in bloodletting.
Sickness was caused by evil spirits, they thought, and releasing pints
of blood from the patient would clear the evil spirits and accelerate
healing. Any doctor who questioned the science behind bloodletting was
called a "denier." All the "good" doctors said, "We know bloodletting
works, so we don't need science to back it up."

Today, you hear the exact same thing about vaccines. "We know they
work," doctors claim, "so we don't need any real science to back it
up." Anyone who questions the safety of flu vaccines (or H1N1
vaccines) is branded a "denier." Anyone who asks for solid scientific
evidence supporting the efficacy of vaccines is called a troublemaker.
They don't need any evidence. They already know vaccines work.

With that being the case, why bother calling it medicine at all? Why
not just call it VOODOO? Why not accompany vaccines with the wave of a
magic wand and some shamanic chanting? Maybe doctors should tell their
patients to cross their fingers before being injected with a vaccine
because "that makes it work better."

Seriously. Everything that doctors accuse "quacks" of doing with
homeopathy, or herbs, or energy medicine is now being done by the
doctors themselves when it comes to vaccines. They are following the
exact same "quackery" they accuse other of pursuing.

This brings me to an important observation about modern medicine: MY
quackery is okay, but YOUR quackery isn't!

That's the attitude of vaccine-pushing doctors and health authorities.
As long as the quackery is widely agreed upon by the medical masses,
then to heck with actual scientific evidence.

Quackery only needs good company, not good science, to be accepted as
true.

Why natural medicine is inherently safer
Of course, these vaccine devotees might say, well, you don't have any
good evidence to support your anti-viral herbs, or your medicinal
teas, or your vitamin D nutrition either. But in saying that, they
miss the whole point: Foods, herbs and nutrition are all natural,
biocompatible healing elements that have been part of the human
experience for as long as humans have roamed this planet. A chemical
injection with a sharp needle that pierces the skin, on the other
hand, is extremely interventionist. It's unnatural and in many ways
quite radical. As such, it demands a higher burden of scientific proof
than something that human beings have evolved with over time.

Foods, herbs and natural medicines have been around for millions of
years. Vaccines have existed for less than a hundred years, and
routine season flu vaccinations have really only been pushed hard for
less than twenty years. They have no track record of success. They
aren't natural, they aren't compatible with human biology, and they
contain extremely toxic substances that clearly do not belong in the
human body.

Given such extremes, the burden of proof for both safety and efficacy
of vaccines falls onto those who would advocate them. And yet, to this
day, no such proof has been offered... or is even pursued. There isn't
even a plan in place to someday find out if flu vaccines really work.
The whole plan is to just pursue "business as usual" and keep
injecting people whether it really works or not.

Vaccine needles would be far more honest if they were shaped like
question marks.

Flu vaccines are the voodoo of modern medicine.

Seriously. You would have the same level of protection from the flu if
you brought your own personal voodoo doll to the clinic and had them
inject that with the vaccine instead of you!

That's an interesting idea, actually. We could really reduce national
health care costs if we just administered western medicines to our
voodoo dolls instead of our actual bodies. Got cancer? Just poison
your voodoo doll with chemotherapy. Side effects are almost non-
existent. Need heart bypass surgery? Just have them operate on the
doll (it's far less complicated). Want some protection from the winter
flu? Just vaccinate the doll. It's quick and painless.

The results would be no worse than what people are experiencing right
now. In fact, in most cases they might actually be better.Buzz up!vote
now

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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:05:47 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 18, 11:43 am, rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com
Of course Mikey Adams would characterize it that doctors *refuse* to
answer. He never bothered to look for the answers.

There is plenty, if Mikey bothered to look. Of course, with his head
up his ass far enough that he can look out of his mouth, he will never
know it.

Flu vaccines (including swine flu vaccines) are based

The word mythology tells you that even if he had answers to the
questions, he would not accept the answers. His "mind" is closed.

that assumes all vaccines work and no

Wrong. However, the way he is, he should be marginalized, since he is
not an intellectually honest advocate.

OMG, he cites himself. The fact is, that vaccine safety and efficacy
are better investigated by other forms of scientific testing.

Cohort studies are scientific. Mikey seems to not know this.

And the cohort

No, they have not. Can Mikey provide something to support his
conclusion? Other than citing himself.

A foreign language for Mikey.

there

Note how he disregards any evidence that may refute his conclusions,
before even being presented with the evidence. Logical fallacy.

Wrong, Mikey. Thimerosal is ethyl mercury. If you cannot get the
basics straight, can you get anything straight?

Thoroguhly debunked.

Incorrect. There are times when the companies acknowledge that there
are problems. But, Mikey needs to have a evil entity to go against.

One of the more important reasons is that there is no scienfic
evidence showing that Vitamin D is more effective than the vaccines.

Let's see...there should be no sickness in Africa as they get plenty
of sun to make vitamin D.

An assertion without proof. Mikey is good at this.

People could have been exposed to the flu before the vaccine. No
vaccine is 100% effective. Two good answer that rapidly come to mind.

What about pneumonia deaths?

Actually, most flu deaths are from secondary pneumonia which the
victim would not have developed if they did not have the flu.

This is an excellent example of how Mikey does not understand
terminology or stats.

Asked and answered above.

We can see Mikey's irrationality here.

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:04:49 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <...@aol.com

On Oct 18, 7:05�pm, Mark Probert <...@gmail.com
NaturalNews.com printable article
Originally published October 16 2009

Ten questions about flu vaccines that doctors and health authorities
refuse to answer

by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

(NaturalNews) Vaccine mythology remains rampant in both western
medicine and the mainstream media. To hear the vaccination zealots
say
it, vaccines are backed by "good science," they've been "proven
effective" and they're "perfectly safe."

Oh really? Where's all that good science? As it turns out, there's
isn't any. Flu vaccines (including swine flu vaccines) are based
entirely on a vaccine mythology that assumes all vaccines work and no
vaccines can be scientifically questioned. Anyone who dares question
the safety or effectiveness of vaccines is immediately branded a
danger to public health and marginalized in the scientific community.

Here are ten questions vaccine-pushing doctors and health authorities
absolutely refuse to answer:

#1) Where are the randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled
studies
proving flu vaccines are both safe and effective?

Answer: There aren't any. (http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v...)

#2) Where, then, is the so-called "science" backing the idea that flu
vaccines work at all?

Answer: Other than "cohort studies," there isn't any. And the cohort
studies have been thoroughly debunked. Scientifically speaking, there
isn't a scrap of honest evidence showing flu vaccines work at all.

#3) How can methyl mercury (Thimerosal, a preservative used in flu
vaccines) be safe for injecting into the human body when mercury is
an
extremely toxic heavy metal?

Answer: It isn't safe at all. Methyl mercury is a poison. Along with
vaccine adjuvants, it explains why so many people suffer autism or
other debilitating neurological side effects after being vaccinated.

#4) Why do reports keep surfacing of children and teens suffering
debilitating neurological disorders, brain swelling, seizures and
even
death following flu vaccines or HPV vaccines?

Answer: Because vaccines are dangerous. The vaccine industry
routinely
dismisses all such accounts -- no matter how many are reported -- as
"coincidence."

#5) Why don't doctors recommend vitamin D for flu protection,
especially when vitamin D activates the immune response far better
than a vaccine? (http://www.naturalnews.com/027231_V...)

Answer: Because vitamin D can't be patented and sold as "medicine."
You can make it yourself. If you want more vitamin D, you don't even
need a doctor, and doctors tend not to recommend things that put them
out of business.

#6) If human beings need flu vaccines to survive, then how did humans
survive through all of Earth's history?

Answer: Human genetic code is already wired to automatically defend
you against invading microorganisms (as long as you have vitamin D).
(http://www.naturalnews.com/027231_V...)

#7) If the flu vaccine offers protection against the flu, then why
are
the people who often catch the flu the very same people who were
vaccinated against it?

Answer: Because those most vulnerable to influenza infections are the
very same people who have a poor adaptive response to the vaccines
and
don't build antibodies. In other words flu vaccines only "work" on
people who don't need them. (And even building antibodies doesn't
equate to real-world protection from the flu, by the way.)

#8) If the flu vaccine really works, then why was there no huge
increase in flu death rates in 2004, the year when flu vaccines were
in short supply and vaccination rates dropped by 40%? (http://
http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v...)

Answer: There was no change in the death rate. You could drop
vaccination rates to zero percent and you'd still see no change in
the
number of people dying from the flu. That's because flu vaccines
simply don't work.

#9) How can flu vaccines reduce mortality by 50% (as is claimed) when
only about 10% of winter deaths are related to the flu in the first
place?

They can't. The 50% statistic is an example of quack medical
marketing. If I have a room full of 100 people, then I take the 50
healthiest people and hand them a candy bar, I can't then
scientifically claim that "candy bars make people healthy." That's
essentially the same logic behind the "50% reduction in mortality"
claim of flu vaccines. (http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v...).

#10) If flu vaccines work so well, then why are drug makers and
health
authorities so reluctant to subject them to scientific scrutiny with
randomized, placebo-controlled studies?

Answer: Although they claim such studies would be "unethical," what's
far more unethical is to keep injecting hundreds of millions of
people
every year with useless, harmful vaccines that aren't backed by a
shred of honest evidence.

Vaccine voodoo?
The vaccine industry is about making money, not actually offering
immune protection against the flu. Whether people get the flu or not
is irrelevant to the bottom-line profits of the drug companies. What
matters most is that people continue to take the flu shots, and
making
that happen depends entirely on pushing the vaccine mythology that
infects the minds of doctors and health authorities today.

There was a time when all "good" doctors believed in bloodletting.
Sickness was caused by evil spirits, they thought, and releasing
pints
of blood from the patient would clear the evil spirits and accelerate
healing. Any doctor who questioned the science behind bloodletting
was
called a "denier." All the "good" doctors said, "We know bloodletting
works, so we don't need science to back it up."

Today, you hear the exact same thing about vaccines. "We know they
work," doctors claim, "so we don't need any real science to back it
up." Anyone who questions the safety of flu vaccines (or H1N1
vaccines) is branded a "denier." Anyone who asks for solid scientific
evidence supporting the efficacy of vaccines is called a
troublemaker.
They don't need any evidence. They already know vaccines work.

With that being the case, why bother calling it medicine at all? Why
not just call it VOODOO? Why not accompany vaccines with the wave of
a
magic wand and some shamanic chanting? Maybe doctors should tell
their
patients to cross their fingers before being injected with a vaccine
because "that makes it work better."

Seriously. Everything that doctors accuse "quacks" of doing with
homeopathy, or herbs, or energy medicine is now being done by the
doctors themselves when it comes to vaccines. They are following the
exact same "quackery" they accuse other of pursuing.

This brings me to an important observation about modern medicine: MY
quackery is okay, but YOUR quackery isn't!

That's the attitude of vaccine-pushing doctors and health
authorities.
As long as the quackery is widely agreed upon by the medical masses,
then to heck with actual scientific evidence.

Quackery only needs good company, not good science, to be accepted as
true.

Why natural medicine is inherently safer
Of course, these vaccine devotees might say, well, you don't have any
good evidence to support your anti-viral herbs, or your medicinal
teas, or your vitamin D nutrition either. But in saying that, they
miss the whole point: Foods, herbs and nutrition are all natural,
biocompatible healing elements that have been part of the human
experience for as long as humans have roamed this planet. A chemical
injection with a sharp needle that pierces the skin, on the other
hand, is extremely interventionist. It's unnatural and in many ways
quite radical. As such, it demands a higher burden of scientific
proof
than something that human beings have evolved with over time.

Foods, herbs and natural medicines have been around for millions of
years. Vaccines have existed for less than a hundred years, and
routine season flu vaccinations have really only been pushed hard for
less than twenty years. They have no track record of success. They
aren't natural, they aren't compatible with human biology, and they
contain extremely toxic substances that clearly do not belong in the
human body.

Given such extremes, the burden of proof for both safety and efficacy
of vaccines falls onto those who would advocate them. And yet, to
this
day, no such proof has been offered... or is even pursued. There
isn't
even a plan in place to someday find out if flu vaccines really work.
The whole plan is to just pursue "business as usual" and keep
injecting people whether it really works or not.

Vaccine needles would be far more honest if they were shaped like
question marks.

Flu vaccines are the voodoo of modern medicine.

Seriously. You would have the same level of protection from the flu
if
you brought your own personal voodoo doll to the clinic and had them
inject that with the vaccine instead of you!

That's an interesting idea, actually. We could really reduce national
health care costs if we just administered western medicines to our
voodoo dolls instead of our actual bodies. Got cancer? Just poison
your voodoo doll with chemotherapy. Side effects are almost non-
existent. Need heart bypass surgery? Just have them operate on the
doll (it's far less complicated). Want some protection from the
winter
flu? Just vaccinate the doll. It's quick and painless.

The results would be no worse than what people are experiencing right
now. In fact, in most cases they might actually be better.Buzz up!
vote
now

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responsibility for all content. Truth Publishing sells no hard
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NaturalNews.com is presented for educational and commentary purposes
only and should not be construed as professional advice from any
licensed practitioner. Truth Publishing assumes no responsibility for
the use or misuse of this material. For the full terms of usage of
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Marla didn't like it because he cannot stand the truth.
So, as usal he insults, and lies.
While remaining silent when disbarred.


On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:15:38 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 18, 10:04 pm, Jan Drew <...@aol.com
My response was snipped by the lying antivaccinationist, Jan Drew. I
have replaced it:

Of course Mikey Adams would characterize it that doctors *refuse* to
answer. He never bothered to look for the answers.

There is plenty, if Mikey bothered to look. Of course, with his head
up his ass far enough that he can look out of his mouth, he will
never
know it.

Flu vaccines (including swine flu vaccines) are based

The word mythology tells you that even if he had answers to the
questions, he would not accept the answers. His "mind" is closed.

that assumes all vaccines work and no

Wrong. However, the way he is, he should be marginalized, since he is
not an intellectually honest advocate.

OMG, he cites himself. The fact is, that vaccine safety and efficacy
are better investigated by other forms of scientific testing.

Cohort studies are scientific. Mikey seems to not know this.

And the cohort

No, they have not. Can Mikey provide something to support his
conclusion? Other than citing himself.

A foreign language for Mikey.

there

Note how he disregards any evidence that may refute his conclusions,
before even being presented with the evidence. Logical fallacy.

Wrong, Mikey. Thimerosal is ethyl mercury. If you cannot get the
basics straight, can you get anything straight?

Thoroguhly debunked.

Incorrect. There are times when the companies acknowledge that there
are problems. But, Mikey needs to have a evil entity to go against.

One of the more important reasons is that there is no scienfic
evidence showing that Vitamin D is more effective than the vaccines.

Let's see...there should be no sickness in Africa as they get plenty
of sun to make vitamin D.

An assertion without proof. Mikey is good at this.

People could have been exposed to the flu before the vaccine. No
vaccine is 100% effective. Two good answer that rapidly come to mind.

What about pneumonia deaths?

Actually, most flu deaths are from secondary pneumonia which the
victim would not have developed if they did not have the flu.

This is an excellent example of how Mikey does not understand
terminology or stats.

Asked and answered above.

We can see Mikey's irrationality here.

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:53:55 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <...@aol.com

NaturalNews.com printable article
Originally published October 16 2009

Ten questions about flu vaccines that doctors and health authorities
refuse to answer

by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

(NaturalNews) Vaccine mythology remains rampant in both western
medicine and the mainstream media. To hear the vaccination zealots
say
it, vaccines are backed by "good science," they've been "proven
effective" and they're "perfectly safe."

Oh really? Where's all that good science? As it turns out, there's
isn't any. Flu vaccines (including swine flu vaccines) are based
entirely on a vaccine mythology that assumes all vaccines work and no
vaccines can be scientifically questioned. Anyone who dares question
the safety or effectiveness of vaccines is immediately branded a
danger to public health and marginalized in the scientific community.

Here are ten questions vaccine-pushing doctors and health authorities
absolutely refuse to answer:

#1) Where are the randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled
studies
proving flu vaccines are both safe and effective?

Answer: There aren't any. (http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v...)

#2) Where, then, is the so-called "science" backing the idea that flu
vaccines work at all?

Answer: Other than "cohort studies," there isn't any. And the cohort
studies have been thoroughly debunked. Scientifically speaking, there
isn't a scrap of honest evidence showing flu vaccines work at all.

#3) How can methyl mercury (Thimerosal, a preservative used in flu
vaccines) be safe for injecting into the human body when mercury is
an
extremely toxic heavy metal?

Answer: It isn't safe at all. Methyl mercury is a poison. Along with
vaccine adjuvants, it explains why so many people suffer autism or
other debilitating neurological side effects after being vaccinated.

#4) Why do reports keep surfacing of children and teens suffering
debilitating neurological disorders, brain swelling, seizures and
even
death following flu vaccines or HPV vaccines?

Answer: Because vaccines are dangerous. The vaccine industry
routinely
dismisses all such accounts -- no matter how many are reported -- as
"coincidence."

#5) Why don't doctors recommend vitamin D for flu protection,
especially when vitamin D activates the immune response far better
than a vaccine? (http://www.naturalnews.com/027231_V...)

Answer: Because vitamin D can't be patented and sold as "medicine."
You can make it yourself. If you want more vitamin D, you don't even
need a doctor, and doctors tend not to recommend things that put them
out of business.

#6) If human beings need flu vaccines to survive, then how did humans
survive through all of Earth's history?

Answer: Human genetic code is already wired to automatically defend
you against invading microorganisms (as long as you have vitamin D).
(http://www.naturalnews.com/027231_V...)

#7) If the flu vaccine offers protection against the flu, then why
are
the people who often catch the flu the very same people who were
vaccinated against it?

Answer: Because those most vulnerable to influenza infections are the
very same people who have a poor adaptive response to the vaccines
and
don't build antibodies. In other words flu vaccines only "work" on
people who don't need them. (And even building antibodies doesn't
equate to real-world protection from the flu, by the way.)

#8) If the flu vaccine really works, then why was there no huge
increase in flu death rates in 2004, the year when flu vaccines were
in short supply and vaccination rates dropped by 40%? (http://
http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v...)

Answer: There was no change in the death rate. You could drop
vaccination rates to zero percent and you'd still see no change in
the
number of people dying from the flu. That's because flu vaccines
simply don't work.

#9) How can flu vaccines reduce mortality by 50% (as is claimed) when
only about 10% of winter deaths are related to the flu in the first
place?

They can't. The 50% statistic is an example of quack medical
marketing. If I have a room full of 100 people, then I take the 50
healthiest people and hand them a candy bar, I can't then
scientifically claim that "candy bars make people healthy." That's
essentially the same logic behind the "50% reduction in mortality"
claim of flu vaccines. (http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v...).

#10) If flu vaccines work so well, then why are drug makers and
health
authorities so reluctant to subject them to scientific scrutiny with
randomized, placebo-controlled studies?

Answer: Although they claim such studies would be "unethical," what's
far more unethical is to keep injecting hundreds of millions of
people
every year with useless, harmful vaccines that aren't backed by a
shred of honest evidence.

Vaccine voodoo?
The vaccine industry is about making money, not actually offering
immune protection against the flu. Whether people get the flu or not
is irrelevant to the bottom-line profits of the drug companies. What
matters most is that people continue to take the flu shots, and
making
that happen depends entirely on pushing the vaccine mythology that
infects the minds of doctors and health authorities today.

There was a time when all "good" doctors believed in bloodletting.
Sickness was caused by evil spirits, they thought, and releasing
pints
of blood from the patient would clear the evil spirits and accelerate
healing. Any doctor who questioned the science behind bloodletting
was
called a "denier." All the "good" doctors said, "We know bloodletting
works, so we don't need science to back it up."

Today, you hear the exact same thing about vaccines. "We know they
work," doctors claim, "so we don't need any real science to back it
up." Anyone who questions the safety of flu vaccines (or H1N1
vaccines) is branded a "denier." Anyone who asks for solid scientific
evidence supporting the efficacy of vaccines is called a
troublemaker.
They don't need any evidence. They already know vaccines work.

With that being the case, why bother calling it medicine at all? Why
not just call it VOODOO? Why not accompany vaccines with the wave of
a
magic wand and some shamanic chanting? Maybe doctors should tell
their
patients to cross their fingers before being injected with a vaccine
because "that makes it work better."

Seriously. Everything that doctors accuse "quacks" of doing with
homeopathy, or herbs, or energy medicine is now being done by the
doctors themselves when it comes to vaccines. They are following the
exact same "quackery" they accuse other of pursuing.

This brings me to an important observation about modern medicine: MY
quackery is okay, but YOUR quackery isn't!

That's the attitude of vaccine-pushing doctors and health
authorities.
As long as the quackery is widely agreed upon by the medical masses,
then to heck with actual scientific evidence.

Quackery only needs good company, not good science, to be accepted as
true.

Why natural medicine is inherently safer
Of course, these vaccine devotees might say, well, you don't have any
good evidence to support your anti-viral herbs, or your medicinal
teas, or your vitamin D nutrition either. But in saying that, they
miss the whole point: Foods, herbs and nutrition are all natural,
biocompatible healing elements that have been part of the human
experience for as long as humans have roamed this planet. A chemical
injection with a sharp needle that pierces the skin, on the other
hand, is extremely interventionist. It's unnatural and in many ways
quite radical. As such, it demands a higher burden of scientific
proof
than something that human beings have evolved with over time.

Foods, herbs and natural medicines have been around for millions of
years. Vaccines have existed for less than a hundred years, and
routine season flu vaccinations have really only been pushed hard for
less than twenty years. They have no track record of success. They
aren't natural, they aren't compatible with human biology, and they
contain extremely toxic substances that clearly do not belong in the
human body.

Given such extremes, the burden of proof for both safety and efficacy
of vaccines falls onto those who would advocate them. And yet, to
this
day, no such proof has been offered... or is even pursued. There
isn't
even a plan in place to someday find out if flu vaccines really work.
The whole plan is to just pursue "business as usual" and keep
injecting people whether it really works or not.

Vaccine needles would be far more honest if they were shaped like
question marks.

Flu vaccines are the voodoo of modern medicine.

Seriously. You would have the same level of protection from the flu
if
you brought your own personal voodoo doll to the clinic and had them
inject that with the vaccine instead of you!

That's an interesting idea, actually. We could really reduce national
health care costs if we just administered western medicines to our
voodoo dolls instead of our actual bodies. Got cancer? Just poison
your voodoo doll with chemotherapy. Side effects are almost non-
existent. Need heart bypass surgery? Just have them operate on the
doll (it's far less complicated). Want some protection from the
winter
flu? Just vaccinate the doll. It's quick and painless.

The results would be no worse than what people are experiencing right
now. In fact, in most cases they might actually be better.Buzz up!
vote
now

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Mark S Probert's insults and lies deleted.
He cannot figure out his very own words show him to be a proven liar.

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:14:01 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 18, 9:53 pm, Jan Drew <...@aol.com

Of course Mikey Adams would characterize it that doctors *refuse* to
answer. He never bothered to look for the answers.

There is plenty, if Mikey bothered to look. Of course, with his head
up his ass far enough that he can look out of his mouth, he will
never
know it.

Flu vaccines (including swine flu vaccines) are based

The word mythology tells you that even if he had answers to the
questions, he would not accept the answers. His "mind" is closed.

that assumes all vaccines work and no

Wrong. However, the way he is, he should be marginalized, since he is
not an intellectually honest advocate.

OMG, he cites himself. The fact is, that vaccine safety and efficacy
are better investigated by other forms of scientific testing.

Cohort studies are scientific. Mikey seems to not know this.

And the cohort

No, they have not. Can Mikey provide something to support his
conclusion? Other than citing himself.

A foreign language for Mikey.

there

Note how he disregards any evidence that may refute his conclusions,
before even being presented with the evidence. Logical fallacy.

Wrong, Mikey. Thimerosal is ethyl mercury. If you cannot get the
basics straight, can you get anything straight?

Thoroguhly debunked.

Incorrect. There are times when the companies acknowledge that there
are problems. But, Mikey needs to have a evil entity to go against.

One of the more important reasons is that there is no scienfic
evidence showing that Vitamin D is more effective than the vaccines.

Let's see...there should be no sickness in Africa as they get plenty
of sun to make vitamin D.

An assertion without proof. Mikey is good at this.

People could have been exposed to the flu before the vaccine. No
vaccine is 100% effective. Two good answer that rapidly come to mind.

What about pneumonia deaths?

Actually, most flu deaths are from secondary pneumonia which the
victim would not have developed if they did not have the flu.

This is an excellent example of how Mikey does not understand
terminology or stats.

Asked and answered above.

We can see Mikey's irrationality here.

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:56:41 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:53:55 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <...@aol.com

Mike Adams, Jan Drew and other illiterates spread lies. Lies, which, when
followed, can lead to the death of children.

Here is some facts about Hib, a very dangerous infectuous disease:

Look at this picture:
"Haemophilus influenzae type b
Sepsis with gangrene of hand."
in http://www.cispimmunize.org/mediapgs/slides/182.html

In Germany vaccination against Hib began in 1992. Before 1992 each year about
1600 children got ill with Hib. Of these childen 200 died and 400 children kept
a lasting brain damage.

After vaccination began, the number of cases of illness with Hib dropped to
about 20 per year.
</quote.
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How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:08:29 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanatic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusions_of_grandeur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCD

On Oct 18, 6:05 pm, Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 18, 7:08 pm, rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com
Was there any point to that string of URLs?

Are you having a problem?


On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:16:47 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <...@aol.com

On Oct 18, 7:32�pm, Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:17:37 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 18, 10:16 pm, Jan Drew <...@aol.com

Of course Mikey Adams would characterize it that doctors *refuse* to
answer. He never bothered to look for the answers.

There is plenty, if Mikey bothered to look. Of course, with his head
up his ass far enough that he can look out of his mouth, he will
never
know it.

Flu vaccines (including swine flu vaccines) are based

The word mythology tells you that even if he had answers to the
questions, he would not accept the answers. His "mind" is closed.

that assumes all vaccines work and no

Wrong. However, the way he is, he should be marginalized, since he is
not an intellectually honest advocate.

OMG, he cites himself. The fact is, that vaccine safety and efficacy
are better investigated by other forms of scientific testing.

Cohort studies are scientific. Mikey seems to not know this.

And the cohort

No, they have not. Can Mikey provide something to support his
conclusion? Other than citing himself.

A foreign language for Mikey.

there

Note how he disregards any evidence that may refute his conclusions,
before even being presented with the evidence. Logical fallacy.

Wrong, Mikey. Thimerosal is ethyl mercury. If you cannot get the
basics straight, can you get anything straight?

Thoroguhly debunked.

Incorrect. There are times when the companies acknowledge that there
are problems. But, Mikey needs to have a evil entity to go against.

One of the more important reasons is that there is no scienfic
evidence showing that Vitamin D is more effective than the vaccines.

Let's see...there should be no sickness in Africa as they get plenty
of sun to make vitamin D.

An assertion without proof. Mikey is good at this.

People could have been exposed to the flu before the vaccine. No
vaccine is 100% effective. Two good answer that rapidly come to mind.

What about pneumonia deaths?

Actually, most flu deaths are from secondary pneumonia which the
victim would not have developed if they did not have the flu.

This is an excellent example of how Mikey does not understand
terminology or stats.

Asked and answered above.

We can see Mikey's irrationality here.

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:39:13 -0700 (PDT), pautrey2 <...@gmail.com

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whiner
To complain or protest in a childish fashion.

On Oct 18, 6:38 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:10:08 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:39:13 -0700 (PDT), pautrey2 <...@gmail.com

Well, that calls for a reminder:

<quoteFrom: rpautrey2 <...@gmail.comNewsgroups:
sci.med.psychobiology,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.autism,misc.kids.healt h
Subject: Re: Cyberstalking is a crime & I'm being stalked
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:32:03 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <...@26g2000yqk.googlegroups.comNNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:32:03 +0000 (UTC)

Probert, Peter B., Bob Officer, & you have insulted me numerous times.
Probert & Peter B. have made threatening comments and are trying to
incite a hate crime..
You, Probert, Bob Officer, and Peter B., chronically cyberstalk
my posts and other peoples posts with nothing constructive, pro or
con.
You talk about fishing trips, vacations, relocating to another
residence, etc.
Bob Officer and Peter B. normally tag spam links to your posts
that have nothing to do with the topic.

Etc, Etc, Etc.

All I've seen from any of you is incredibly childish behavior.
How are people supposed to respond to your bizarre posts.
You take articles that paint a clear picture of reality, and you
stack 10's to 100's of nonrelated comments to the original article
to prevent anybody from taking the time to go back and find the
original post.
Your actions are obviously meant to discredit the article, the poster,
and the group.
Mark Probert has a vested interest(stock) in a medical device
manufacturer and I
suspect there are others of you that have pharmeceutical and related
stocks.
I don't know what to make of the uncivilized behavior you characters
display.

What's up with your links to your website?
Other than you, who speaks german in this group?
When you first started cyberstalking me your normal comment was
(paraphrased):
"If you think that's something, you need to read this".
The link you provide is your german language site.
You paint a picture of your self that says ' your an insane
cyberstalker'.
In the very beginning I told you I didn't follow 'loon links'.
Out of curiosity I eventually followed your links on a few occasions
and
you reinforced me belief that you're a loon.

HO,

Grow Up!

On Aug 21, 12:54 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com</quote--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:45:07 -0700 (PDT), pautrey2 <...@gmail.com

crybaby (plural crybabies)
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crybaby

1.A baby that cries excessively.
2.Someone whose feelings are very easily hurt, also by trivial matters

On Oct 18, 6:38 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:10:41 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:45:07 -0700 (PDT), pautrey2 <...@gmail.com

Trivial matters... Oh, so...

<quoteFrom: rpautrey2 <...@gmail.comNewsgroups:
sci.med.psychobiology,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.autism,misc.kids.healt h
Subject: Re: Cyberstalking is a crime & I'm being stalked
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:32:03 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <...@26g2000yqk.googlegroups.comNNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:32:03 +0000 (UTC)

Probert, Peter B., Bob Officer, & you have insulted me numerous times.
Probert & Peter B. have made threatening comments and are trying to
incite a hate crime..
You, Probert, Bob Officer, and Peter B., chronically cyberstalk
my posts and other peoples posts with nothing constructive, pro or
con.
You talk about fishing trips, vacations, relocating to another
residence, etc.
Bob Officer and Peter B. normally tag spam links to your posts
that have nothing to do with the topic.

Etc, Etc, Etc.

All I've seen from any of you is incredibly childish behavior.
How are people supposed to respond to your bizarre posts.
You take articles that paint a clear picture of reality, and you
stack 10's to 100's of nonrelated comments to the original article
to prevent anybody from taking the time to go back and find the
original post.
Your actions are obviously meant to discredit the article, the poster,
and the group.
Mark Probert has a vested interest(stock) in a medical device
manufacturer and I
suspect there are others of you that have pharmeceutical and related
stocks.
I don't know what to make of the uncivilized behavior you characters
display.

What's up with your links to your website?
Other than you, who speaks german in this group?
When you first started cyberstalking me your normal comment was
(paraphrased):
"If you think that's something, you need to read this".
The link you provide is your german language site.
You paint a picture of your self that says ' your an insane
cyberstalker'.
In the very beginning I told you I didn't follow 'loon links'.
Out of curiosity I eventually followed your links on a few occasions
and
you reinforced me belief that you're a loon.

HO,

Grow Up!

On Aug 21, 12:54 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com</quote--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:32:52 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <...@aol.com

On Oct 18, 10:10�pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

Now, that is the truth.


On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:55:11 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:32:52 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <...@aol.com

THIS is the truth:

Look at this picture:
"Haemophilus influenzae type b
Sepsis with gangrene of hand."
in http://www.cispimmunize.org/mediapgs/slides/182.html

In Germany vaccination against Hib began in 1992. Before 1992 each year about
1600 children got ill with Hib. Of these childen 200 died and 400 children kept
a lasting brain damage.

After vaccination began, the number of cases of illness with Hib dropped to
about 20 per year.
</quote.
--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:05:29 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

Aribert Deckers (Yappy Rotten Cyberstalking Beast),

Have you seen these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=Miz7gRgAAAD0tBe7vuCQ4GF06Gyy1C G7t8hJfEQ0GIACcxszmoT0jQ
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/07/AR2008110701898 _pf.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081028205658.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jester
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creature_from_the_Black_Lagoon
http://legalcatch.wordpress.com/2006/10/24/criminal-insanity-law-definition/
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crybaby
http://sify.com/news/imagegallery/galleryDetail.php?id=jkpaapiagei?hgallery=149 14982&slide=2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanatic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_O'Clock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusions_of_grandeur
http://www.collectiondx.com/gallery2/gallery/d/53247-5/1.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_More_Pallbearer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_calling_the_kettle_black
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-righteousness
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-tattletale.htm
http://images.google.com/images?q=the+creature+from+the+black+lagoon&rls=com.mi crosoft:en-us&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7GFRI_enUS301&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=5nPQSurhHuKptgfBl9mE BA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQsAQwAA
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-74802930/shrink-missouri-campaign-fi nance.html
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whiner
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wishy%20washy
Etc.

On Oct 18, 9:10 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:14:27 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:05:29 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

THIS?:

<quoteFrom: rpautrey2 <...@gmail.comNewsgroups:
sci.med.psychobiology,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.autism,misc.kids.healt h
Subject: Re: Cyberstalking is a crime
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:52:37 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <...@b14g2000yqd.googlegroups.comInjection-Info: b14g2000yqd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=166.137.7.11;
posting-account=ezXmYwoAAAA5ReSVHFJ6iUzzsZGy0Tn6
[...]

Disbarred Attorney,

Now you're playing Mr. Innocent.

Tell your boys to backoff!

You're not going to like what I might post.
</quote

I have a good archive...

.
--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:18:35 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudologia_fantastica

FU!

Proof Of Nothing!

On Oct 18, 10:14 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:21:49 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:18:35 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

Proof of nothing? Oh, that is something for the judges to decide...

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:32:18 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

Ralph Paul Autrey, Jr. is a criminal stalker. He publicly insulting others as
"beast", "satan", "female genital", "Satan," "Satan Whore", "Nazi", "Idiot!",
"Insane!", "Possessed!", "Get an exorcism!", and so on. All the time long... An
impressive list of hate crime committed by Ralph Paul Autrey Jr.

Just an example:

<quoteFrom: rpautrey2 <...@gmail.comNewsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.freemasonry
Subject: Re: The Caduceus Decoded: Secret Symbols Reveal Dark Agenda of
Western Medicine
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:05:47 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.comInjection-Info: s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com; posting-host=96.19.44.55;
posting-account=ezXmYwoAAAA5ReSVHFJ6iUzzsZGy0Tn6

Allopathy Whore,

Grow Up!

On Jul 16, 4:02 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com</quote

The attorneys of state have homework to do.
.
--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:26:16 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusions_of_grandeur

On Oct 18, 10:21 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com


On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:31:06 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:26:16 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

Oops, now - again - Ralph Paul Autrey, Jr. got out of control of himself...

He should learn to read, I might say.

.
--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:21:33 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

Beast ( http://sify.com/news/imagegallery/galleryDetail.php?id=jkpaapiagei?hgallery=149 14982&slide=20
),

Who cares?

Is that a threat?

On Oct 18, 10:14 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:40:19 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:21:33 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

Meta-medicine is a deadly threat. 5 dead found in Norway.

http://www.deathsect.com/#metamediziner

<quoteThe Fraud of the Metamediciners
Mega-Scandal in the American Film-Industry

Material about the meta-mediciners you can find here:
Die Metamediziner:
http://www.transgallaxys.com/~kanzlerzwo/board.php?boardid=211

The meta-mediciners gain a foothold in Great Britain, Germany, Norway, and the
USA, where they defrauded at least 2 dozen screen actors. The meta-mediciners
made the actors believe that the meta-mediciners are engaged in breastcancer
research. The screen actors, among them celebrities like Geena Davis and Ben
Kingsley, are abused with their names and photographs taken for the PR of the
meta-mediciners.

PICTURE: Screenshot of the web-site healbreastcancerawards.org,
with fotographs of 20 film und TV actors

I informed the American Screen Actors Guild, also some spokespersons of the
actors. If they will realize the goings-on ... is another question... One more
if they will admit to have brought their clients, the actors, into this
situation. Because it is not the actors themselves, but their agents and
spokespersones, who are responsible for these things.

Open Letter to the Screen Actors Guild
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
<quoteScreen Actors Guild
Hollywood
5757 Wilshire Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90036-3600
Tel: 001-(323) 954-160-0 Main Switchboard
-6729 Agency Department
http://www.sag.org
Screen Actors Guild

Bremerhaven, Germany, March 9th., 2007

Dear Sirs,

I ask you to please help me in a very serious and sad matter: a case of
fraud in which world famous film actors are victims.

In the web-page

http://www.healbreastcancer.org/awards_overview.php

you can see some of the victims:

<quoteOUR BENEFIT COMMITTEE

Geena Davis
Ben Stiller
Rosie O'Donnell
Ben Kingsley
Alfre Woodard
Tommy Lee Jones
Paula Abdul
Harold Perrineau
Allison Janney
Lourdes Benedicto
Antonio Sabbato jr.
Kathy Griffin
Mario Lopez
Lisa Vidall
Terri Polo
Laura Innes
Jon Seda
Tyler Hilton
Kendall Payne
Andy Dick
</quote
The actors are abused for PR. They were made believe that they do something
good: that they are helping to fight cancer. But the truth is that an
international group of criminals is abusing them as public PR tools. The
group deals with "meta-medicine". (There are several versions of this word.)
You can see it at the bottom of that very web-page:

http://www.healbreastcancer.org/awards_overview.php

<quoteCopyright © 2006 Heal Breast Cancer Foundation
News Privacy Policy Disclaimer Contact Us META-Medicine
*************
</quote

The background behind "meta-medicine" is the "Germanische Neue Medicine"
("New German Medicine") of the criminal psychopath Ryke Geerd Hamer.

Ryke Geerd Hamer was a medical doctor, who lost his approbation in 1986 as
his patients died because of his murderous nonsense "treatment". There are
media articles about him since the beginning of the 1980ies.

This is his biography, written by one of us: http://hamer.wordpress.com/

For some years now I investigate and publish about Hamer and his death sect.
Hamer has a network of helpers, many of whom being ill with cancer
themselves. They believe him --- and they die. So far I could find 130 death
cases related with Ryke Geerd Hamer and his scene.

As the Hamer scene denied that even ONE person died because of Hamer's
madness, I tried to find the victims and made a list:

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ham2.htm

I had found 87 dead, when some weeks ago I was given material about 43 more
dead: patients who died in the time about 1982, 1983.

There are 2 large groups of dead, the one mentioned with 43 patients and one
with 50 in Austria, mainly in the time from 1990 to 1995, when Hamer's
"center" in Burgau was closed by the justice and he fled to Spain (where he
still is). The material of that time in Austria is with the Austrian
Ministry of the Interior in Vienna. (The attorney office department(s) in
Vienna refuse any comments, but forward to the Ministry of the Interior.)

I have more than 2 dozen web-pages about Hamer in my web-site, the most
important being the obituaries for Michaela Jakubczyk-Eckert (who died in
november 2005) and for Christina Connell. I do very intensive
investigations, so I have no time for translating the pages - nearly all are
in German. The obituary for Christina Connell is in English:

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amachris.htm

Mrs. Connell was a musician and lived in Carthage, Missouri. She died in
march 2006, a victim of

Ilsedora Laker,
c/o Herbs and Health Holistic Centre,
6022 Yonge St.,
Toronto, ON M2M 3V9
Canada

Ilsedora Laker
3 Willer Ave.
Ajax ON L1T 3P4
Canada
Phone: 905-427 2790

which are a base in the USA and in Canada with http://www.newmedicine.ca


I am in contact with Mrs. Connell's son Stephen and her husband Dennis. I am
also in contact with families of other victims in Belgium, Switzerland, and
Germany.

The fotographs in the obituary for Michaela

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amamiche.htm

(that is the English version) show much more than words ever could what a
cruel crime is done to the ill. Now, imagine that these patients are
forbidden to take medication against pain... Hamer makes them believe that
Morphium would kill them rightaway...

Hamer makes the ill believe that their dieing is their healing. The worse
the situation is, the worse the pain becomes, the more the ill believe that
they are near to health. And so they die.

The families are under such a pressure that they break. For years these
people are not able to talk about what happened - even with families of
other victims.

And now look at the "Gala" with the world famous film actors being abused
for this crime....

I have contacts with journalists in TV and in print media.

This is one of the reports about deaths caused by Hamer, boardcasted by the
SWR in 2002:

http://www.swr.de/report/archiv/sendungen/021118/04/index.html

A report by the RBB in 2005:

http://www.rbb-online.de/_/kontraste/beitrag_jsp/key=rbb_beitrag_3362703.html

Some weeks ago there was one by the "defakto" TV magazine of the Hessischer
Rundfunk.

There also is an expert statement by the Deutsche Krebsgesellschaft:

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ha47.htm

We collected a lot of material during the last years - and I can give you
material and contacts to the media here and in Austria. In France is an
association against sects, the UNADFI:

http://www.unadfi.org

France is the most active country: Hamer was sentenced to prison for 3 years
(by far not enough!) and was kept in prison for half of that time. The
UNADFI played an important role in those law-suits.

To ease your investigations I uploaded 2 archives:

http://www.ariplex.com/agb/metamed1.zip
http://www.ariplex.com/agb/metamed2.zip

They contain

a) material about the sites as they are now
b) material from the web-archive to show earlier pieces of proof

The best to do is to download the files, each in a directory on HDD, unpack
it there and the do a full-text search, mainly because of entries in the
meta-tags. In case you need help, please let me know.

Please pass on this information to the actors and their agents. I suggest to
have advice of lawyers. The dimension of what happened and still happens is
beyond imagination... We must take action so that such a thing will not
happen again.
</quote---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------
</quote--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:44:52 -0700 (PDT), pautrey2 <...@gmail.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusions_of_grandeur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception

On Oct 18, 10:40 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:49:26 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:44:52 -0700 (PDT), pautrey2 <...@gmail.com

The guide on how to survive misc.health.alternative
---------------------------------------------------

16.10.2009

Rule #1

Do not fall for the lies of the naturopathic mafia.
***************************************************

There is no "alternative medicine". Either something works, then it is
integrated into scientific medicine, or it does not work, then it is crap and no
medicine.

Question: Who is the naturopathic mafia?

Answer: We do not know who ALL are behind the goings-on in
misc.health.alternative, BUT we know that there are some criminals acting here
(and in other news-groups).

Question: Who is abusing misc.health.alternative - and why?

Answer: The question about WHO is abusing misc.health.alternative is easy to
answer, but the WHY we can only guess.

Reason: As long as these persons do not confess in public why they abuse this
news.group, we only can guess their motives. But some are quite obvious.
Stupidity is the simplest one (sic!).

The following persons are abusing the news-group mish.health.alternative:

1. Janet Mae Stidd, known as Jan Drew of Bloomington, Indiana
****************
There is a FAQ about her, which is irregularly posted.

Jan Drew even cannot count to 2.

Acts as a shill for Hulda Clark, for Mercola, and other charlatans.

To follow the medical claims of Jan Drew can lead to the death of your
children and of yourself.

2. Ralph Paul Autrey, Jr.
He agressivley insults and stalks other participants.
Typical: "Nazi", "Whore", etc...

Acts as a shill for Hulda Clark, for Mercola, and for other charlatans.

A list of typical quotes of him is irregularly posted.

3. Ilena Rosenthal <...@mundo.com She aggressively insults other users and libels them.

An example:

<quoteFrom: Ilena Rose <...@mundo.comNewsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing,talk .politics.medicine,uk.people.health
Subject: GORSKI, M.D.: THE WORLDWIDE WANKER OF "WOO"
*******************************************
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:47:06 -0600
Message-ID: <...@4ax.com[...]
Haven't read this piece, but wanted to add that David Gorski (who for
years hid behind "Orac" ... is a very active participant on Wikipedia,
the Healthfraud List, the Snake oil Vigilante Brigade ... while being
a recipient of money from the DOD. He has several pro-vacccination
industry blogs ... and haunted Usenet for years tho prefers arenas
where their is censorship in his favour.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/05/david-gorski-md.html
</quote
A list of typical quotes of Ilena Rosenthal is irregularly posted.


4. ironjustice <...@hotmail.com Repeats his nonsensic claims like a record disk with a crack.

5. "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <...@thetruth.com
A list of typical quotes of Andrew B. Chung is irregularly posted.

Andrew B. Chung supports mass murder.

<quoteFrom: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <...@thetruth.comNewsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.chri stnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Daily Spirit-guided WDJW health tip for 08/10/09
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:21:53 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <...@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com
Retiring people from existence in this world and taking them up to
******************************************************************
heaven is not murder :-)
********************
</quote

"Leeerooy Jenkins" <...@j.com Message-ID: <...@giganews.com
<quoteAndrew Chung:

Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google)

Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many
Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now
banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google
sock accounts and email addresses in the format lo.....@thetruth.com (#
being a number)

Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job
after just over 80 days

Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite
having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals

Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the
ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website

Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates,
which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets)

Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet,
then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits
to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process.

Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he
demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover onto
food.

Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from
the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe

Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird
flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and
changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which
naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to.

Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of
Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of
being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong.

Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity
is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a
church.

Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some
time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as "being
on vacation".

Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as
endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his
'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and
has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google.

Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as
the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming the
blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when they
pass away.
</quote

GreatSageItchy <...@greaterthanheaven.com description of Andrew B. Chung in
Message-ID: <...@greaterthanheaven.com
<quoteSubject: Re: Being perseveringly kind (WDJW) and praying for H.O.'s perishing
soul ...
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:10:01 -0700
From: GreatSageItchy <...@greaterthanheaven.comNewsgroups: sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.bible.prophecy,
alt.messianic.yeshua,alt.christnet.theology

In article
<...@z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.comAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <...@thetruth.com
Andrew B. Chung is INSANE. He is a Supreme Egoist. He has NO
spirituality or humanity, nothing but EGO.
All EGO all the time. ZERO spirituality. And he never will.

Opposites Attract...

It is quite common for such people to be attracted to that which is
most opposite from them. Jesus and spirituality.
But camels will fly through the eye of a needle and cows will jump over
the moon before even a glint of the Holy Spirit enters the body of a
total EGOIST like Chung. Such people are evil and DANGEROUS.
Stay far away. €€WARNING€€€€WARNING€€WARNING€€WARNING€€

DO NOT FEED SICK ASSHOLE TROLLS.

There is NOTHING anyone can do for Chung. His condition is far beyond
any help. A diamond hard egoist, like Chung, is "always right", and
everyone else is "always wrong" in the delusional world they live in.
Soon enough, such defective people are cleaned from this world, usually
by violence or horible disease. Such people are DANGEROUS.. Stay far
away. €€WARNING€€€€WARNING€€WARNING€€WARNING€€

Everyone familiar with Andrew B. Chung knows he is a sick asshole. Even
his parents. He knows he is a sick asshole. There is NOTHING
"spiritual" or "religious" about him. He has absolutely NO HOPE of real
spirituality.

In fact, he is the opposite of spirituality, ALL EGO, and NOTHING BUT
EGO. Chung has no real friends, and never will. No one wants to be
around a TOTAL ASSHOLE. His only hope is to try to learn how real
humans behave by observation, then pretend to be like them.
He will always be a total asshole, but he will learn to hide it and
fake being like a real human. He will not fool a real human for long,
but will have something that resembles a human life. There is no
other way for him. His condition (total arrogance) is permanent.
Camels will fly through the eye of a needle before he even reach
spiritual kindergarden. his life will go badly, and end ugly.
A total egoist will NEVER admit to any imperfection, but Chung knows
that every word of the above is true.
-GSI
</quote--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:53:20 -0500, "t" <...@gmail.com

"Happy Oyster" <...@ariplex.comnews:kvmnd51pbjr5fhmt8a Crap

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:02:25 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 18, 8:45 pm, pautrey2 <...@gmail.com
I see. So when you were demanding that I control HO's posting because
you did not like what he was posting about you, you were a what?

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:17:47 -0700 (PDT), pautrey2 <...@gmail.com

That's not exactly the way it was.

I didn't want to come down to 'your sides' level.

I don't have a problem with that anymore.

On Oct 18, 8:02 pm, Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:10:05 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 18, 9:17 pm, pautrey2 <...@gmail.com
Close enough.

I see. So you are like those in 1930's Europe who sat on their hands
and kept silent.

Good thing.


On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:30:23 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <...@aol.com

On Oct 18, 10:10�pm, Mark Probert <...@gmail.com Just read who is posting about keeping silent.

The charges involve 22 counts of the respondent's failure to cooperate
with the Grievance Committee in its investigations into complaints of
professional misconduct.

The charges, if established, would require the imposition of a
disciplinary sanction against the respondent. Since the respondent has
chosen not to appear or answer in these proceedings, the charges must
be deemed established. The petitioner's motion to hold the respondent
in default and impose discipline is, therefore, granted. Accordingly,
the respondent is disbarred and his name is stricken from the roll of
attorneys and counselors-at-law, effective immediately.

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:19:18 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 18, 10:30 pm, Jan Drew <...@aol.com
Yes, Jan, people such as yourself, people who approved of the
genocide, kept silent during the the 1930's and 1940's.

I bet you even washed those sheets for the guys in the Klan.

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:15:50 -0400, Mike <...@none.xxx

<snip
This remark is a classic case of "1984"-style double think:
believing in something and then immediately believing its opposite
if needed.

Vaccine flacks would happily point to a double blind placebo
controlled study of vaccine efficacy (and references can easily be
found for pneumococcal vaccine for example). But when it comes to flu
vaccination they invent all kinds of reasons why it cannot or should
not be done.

The answer remains: there aren't any.

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:18:04 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:15:50 -0400, Mike <...@none.xxx

It is quite obvious, that you do not understand immunology and statistics.
--
"Die Frau ist ein Mißgriff der Natur... mit ihrem Feuchtigkeits-Überschuß
und ihrer Untertemperatur körperlich und geistig minderwertiger... eine
Art verstümmelter, verfehlter, mißlungener Mann...die volle Verwirklichung
der menschlichen Art ist nur der Mann."
Thomas von Aquin, hl., Kirchenlehrer, 1225-1274
Heilsames über christliche Lebensart: http://www.reimbibel.de

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:42:56 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 19, 12:15 am, Mike <...@none.xxx
Wrong. If you understood medical ethics, which neither you nor Mikey
Adams does, you would know that it is unethical to withhold any
treatment that a physician reasonably believes would benefit a patient
who would otherwise accept that treatment.

Thus, a double blind study, where a portion of the participants are
given placebo, is inherently unethical when discussing vaccination.

There is no double think. However, if I were you, I would attempt
single think before posting as you did.

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:22:18 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:43:20 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

That is insane crap.
--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:01:21 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:35:27 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <...@aol.com

Jan Drew, as usual, has no facts.
--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:11:43 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 18, 9:35 pm, Jan Drew <...@aol.com
Wake up and make the coffee, you have KP.

http://bands.army.mil/music/bugle/calls/reveille.mp3

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:34:47 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <...@aol.com

On Oct 18, 10:11�pm, Mark Probert <...@gmail.com
I do not drink coffee.

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:51:03 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:34:47 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <...@aol.com

And she cannot count to 2.

--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:37:25 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 18, 10:34 pm, Jan Drew <...@aol.com
I did not say you should drink coffee. I said make the coffee. On
second (that means a thought after the first one, innumerate person)
thought, you are probably incapable of making coffee as it is too
complicated for you.

However, you should wake up. You have been cutting ZZZzzzzz's in this
newsgroup for years.

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:59:30 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanatic

On Oct 18, 11:22 am, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:04:50 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:59:30 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

Only someone who is either damned stupid or a plain criminal would call a
scientific research and scientific facts fanatic.

Ralph Paul Autrey, Jr., by the way, is a criminal stalker. He publicly insulting
others as "beast", "satan", "female genital", "Satan," "Satan Whore", "Nazi",
"Idiot!", "Insane!", "Possessed!", "Get an exorcism!", and so on. All the time
long... An impressive list of hate crime committed by Ralph Paul Autrey Jr.

The attorneys of state do have homework to do.

How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:14:32 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusions_of_grandeur

On Oct 18, 5:04 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:39:58 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <...@aol.com

Yappy's rant deleted.

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:28:31 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:39:58 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <...@aol.com

Too bad. Too bad... Too bad that I have an archive. ;O)

See:

Mark Thorson <...@sonic.netof Jan Drew :

Message-ID: <...@sonic.net
<quotePart 1: Jan Drew's Hatred For Jews

Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:24:47 GMT

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030203003915.08900.00000405%40mb-mf.aol.com

Perhaps it was some kind of ritual
abuse by someone of the Jewish faith.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20021230161232.23430.00000342%40mb-mw.aol.com

I have no problem with anyone being Jewish,
God has a problem when people deny
that Jesus is the son of God.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20021230003534.02142.00000045%40mb-fn.aol.com

Thank you, and expect to be attacked by
Mark Probert, a jew.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020620012318.03061.00000738%40mb-bg.aol.com

The only reason I called Andrew a jew boy
is because he posted 10 commmandments and
he doesn't believe in God or the bible.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020506134413.21486.00007488%40mb-fj.aol.com

And my calling Andrew a jew boy was NOT racists.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020506012459.00812.00008001%40mb-bg.aol.com

If I had called him, ass clown, idiot, moron,
a lying stack of shit, or told him to F**k off,
that would be A OK,,,,,,,,,,right?

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020505002125.00763.00008303%40mb-bg.aol.com

What's the big deal? Calling you a jew boy was
exactly because you are a jew. The same as you
calling me a methodist or baptist girl.
It doesn't even come close to all the names
you have called and your constant trash talk.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020504003536.28298.00007240%40mb-fe.aol.com

Little do you know anything about the
*10 Commandments* Jew Boy.
</quote

Message-ID: <...@sonic.net
<quotePart 2: Jan Drew's Hatred For Jews

Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:26:46 GMT

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030718213628.28226.00000180%40mb-m24.aol.co m

Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group) with the
exception of IIena, they have proven themselves
to be liars, deceitful and insulters.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030630184145.13643.00002027%40mb-m11.aol.co m

That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it,
yet they cover for each other.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030614013041.10617.00001458%40mb-m15.aol.co m

The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need
to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their
ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO
are lead by Satan.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030613000639.06893.00001804%40mb-m19.aol.co m

The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing
but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030612202124.06893.00001784%40mb-m19.aol.co m

I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030612014151.04369.00001280%40mb-m15.aol.co m

No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived
as Eve was when Satan debunked
God's word.
That was the start of debunking.
Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried
to debunk his words, and even
debunked his miracles whch happened right
before their eyes.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030612011123.04369.00001278%40mb-m15.aol.co m

Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works,
and now debunking and lies are second
nature to them. That is how Satan works.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030610213830.23300.00000368%40mb-m26.aol.co m

Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030324214236.16466.00000249%40mb-mf.aol.com

It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
with hate.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030324214236.16466.00000249%40mb-mf.aol.com

It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
involved.
</quote

Message-ID: <...@sonic.net
<quotedPart 3: Jan Drew's Hatred For Jews

Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:27:32 GMT

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040224182922.19410.00000351%40mb-m16.aol.co m

Indeed, the Jews and atheists on this ng have lied over
and over, as well as posting nasty hateful lying websites
trying to personally trash. That is the facts.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040223172959.20223.00000244%40mb-m04.aol.co m

There is an EXCELLENT example of one hate filled jew
(on this ng).

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040221204234.20451.00000208%40mb-m28.aol.co m

To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,
IT IS THE TRUTH.
To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those
who practice lying is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.
To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,
IT IS THE TRUTH AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040220213242.12315.00000073%40mb-m02.aol.co m

We have seen every single Jew here lie, but it isn't limited
to them.
</quote

Don't let yourself be lulled in.

Don't get blinded by Jan Drew's forgeries and tricks.

And, do not forget: to follow Jan Drew's medical claims
can lead to the death of your children and of yourself.
--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:31:05 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

Antisocial personality disorder
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Not to be confused with Avoidant personality disorder.
Antisocial personality disorder
Classification and external resources
ICD-10 F60.2
ICD-9 301.8
MeSH D000987

Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD or APD) is defined by the
American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual
as "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the
rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and
continues into adulthood."[1] The individual must be age 18 or older,
as well as have a documented history of a conduct disorder before the
age of 15.[1] People having antisocial personality disorder are
sometimes referred to as "sociopaths" and "psychopaths", although
some
researchers believe that these terms are not synonymous with ASPD.[2]

On Oct 18, 9:28 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:44:40 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <...@aol.com

Jan Drew <...@aol.com
Yappy's rant deleted.

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:01:56 +0100, "john" <...@bt.com

"rpautrey2" <...@g19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanatic

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/propaganda3.html


On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:05:33 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:01:56 +0100, "john" <...@bt.com

Only someone who is either damned stupid or a plain criminal would call a
scientific research and scientific facts fanatic.

The attorneys of state do have homework to do.

--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:44:30 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <...@aol.com

Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com
[ ]

1289 posts in 18 days.


On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:20:17 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-tattletale.htm

On Oct 18, 5:05 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:35:36 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:20:17 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:59:30 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

Only someone who is either damned stupid or a plain criminal would call a
scientific research and scientific facts fanatic.

Ralph Paul Autrey, Jr., by the way, is a criminal stalker. He publicly insulting
others as "beast", "satan", "female genital", "Satan," "Satan Whore", "Nazi",
"Idiot!", "Insane!", "Possessed!", "Get an exorcism!", and so on. All the time
long... An impressive list of hate crime committed by Ralph Paul Autrey Jr.

The attorneys of state do have homework to do.

How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:05:23 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

http://www.collectiondx.com/gallery2/gallery/d/53247-5/1.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCD

Obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) is a mental disorder characterized
by intrusive thoughts that produce anxiety, by repetitive behaviors
aimed at reducing anxiety, or by combinations of such thoughts
(obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions). The symptoms of this anxiety
disorder range from repetitive hand-washing and extensive hoarding to
preoccupation with sexual, religious, or aggressive impulses. These
symptoms can be alienating and time-consuming, and often cause severe
emotional and economic loss. Although the acts of those who have OCD
may appear paranoid and come across to others as psychotic, OCD
sufferers often recognize their thoughts and subsequent actions as
irrational, and they may become further distressed by this
realization.

OCD is the fourth most common mental disorder and is diagnosed nearly
as often as asthma and diabetes mellitus.[1] In the United States, one
in 50 adults has OCD.[2] The phrase "obsessive–compulsive" has become
part of the English lexicon, and is often used in an informal or
caricatured manner to describe someone who is meticulous,
perfectionistic, absorbed in a cause, or otherwise fixated on
something or someone.[3] Although these signs are often present in
OCD, a person who exhibits them does not necessarily have OCD, and may
instead have obsessive–compulsive personality disorder (OCPD), an
autism spectrum disorder or some other condition.

On Oct 18, 5:35 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:30:01 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:05:23 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

Ralph Paul Autrey, Jr. publicly insults others as "beast", "satan", "female
genital", "Satan," "Satan Whore", "Nazi", "Idiot!", "Insane!", "Possessed!",
"Get an exorcism!", and so on. All the time long... An impressive list of hate
crime committed by Ralph Paul Autrey Jr.

Does he want to grab for an apology for his deeds?

The attorneys of state do have homework to do.
--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:15:21 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <...@aol.com

Yappy finally posts the truth about himself.

http://www.collectiondx.com/gallery2/gallery/d/53247-5/1.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCD

Obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) is a mental disorder characterized
by intrusive thoughts that produce anxiety, by repetitive behaviors
aimed at reducing anxiety, or by combinations of such thoughts

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:22:29 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

Antisocial personality disorder
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Not to be confused with Avoidant personality disorder.
Antisocial personality disorder
Classification and external resources
ICD-10 F60.2
ICD-9 301.8
MeSH D000987

Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD or APD) is defined by the
American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual
as "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the
rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and
continues into adulthood."[1] The individual must be age 18 or older,
as well as have a documented history of a conduct disorder before the
age of 15.[1] People having antisocial personality disorder are
sometimes referred to as "sociopaths" and "psychopaths", although some
researchers believe that these terms are not synonymous with ASPD.[2]

On Oct 18, 9:19 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:26:15 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:22:29 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:43:04 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <...@aol.com

Yappy finally posts the truth about himself.

http://www.collectiondx.com/gallery2/gallery/d/53247-5/1.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCD

Obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) is a mental disorder
characterized
by intrusive thoughts that produce anxiety, by repetitive behaviors
aimed at reducing anxiety, or by combinations of such thoughts


On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:52:29 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

Isn't that what you would picture Yappy to look like?

Happy Oyster Lips!

Cosmetic Surgery?

He should try alternative medicine for those yellow warts.

Allopathy didn't do him any good.

On Oct 18, 9:43 pm, Jan Drew <...@aol.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:23:11 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:52:29 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

Ralph Paul Autrey, Jr. is a criminal stalker. He publicly insulting others as
"beast", "satan", "female genital", "Satan," "Satan Whore", "Nazi", "Idiot!",
"Insane!", "Possessed!", "Get an exorcism!", and so on. All the time long... An
impressive list of hate crime committed by Ralph Paul Autrey Jr.

Just an example:

<quoteFrom: rpautrey2 <...@gmail.comNewsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.freemasonry
Subject: Re: The Caduceus Decoded: Secret Symbols Reveal Dark Agenda of
Western Medicine
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:05:47 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.comInjection-Info: s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com; posting-host=96.19.44.55;
posting-account=ezXmYwoAAAA5ReSVHFJ6iUzzsZGy0Tn6

Allopathy Whore,

Grow Up!

On Jul 16, 4:02 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com</quote

The attorneys of state have homework to do.
:
--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:34:50 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

http://www.collectiondx.com/gallery2/gallery/d/53247-5/1.jpg
http://sify.com/news/imagegallery/galleryDetail.php?id=jkpaapiagei?hgallery=149 14982&slide=2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanatic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusions_of_grandeur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCD

On Oct 18, 6:30 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:24:15 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:34:50 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

Ralph Paul Autrey, Jr. is a criminal stalker. He publicly insulting others as
"beast", "satan", "female genital", "Satan," "Satan Whore", "Nazi", "Idiot!",
"Insane!", "Possessed!", "Get an exorcism!", and so on. All the time long... An
impressive list of hate crime committed by Ralph Paul Autrey Jr.

Just an example:

<quoteFrom: rpautrey2 <...@gmail.comNewsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.freemasonry
Subject: Re: The Caduceus Decoded: Secret Symbols Reveal Dark Agenda of
Western Medicine
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:05:47 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.comInjection-Info: s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com; posting-host=96.19.44.55;
posting-account=ezXmYwoAAAA5ReSVHFJ6iUzzsZGy0Tn6

Allopathy Whore,

Grow Up!

On Jul 16, 4:02 pm, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com</quote

The attorneys of state do have homework to do.

.
--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:07:21 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 18, 6:20 pm, rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com
If I recall correctly, you threatened me.


On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:09:37 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

Casey Anthony,

You're A Liar!

On Oct 18, 6:07 pm, Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:34:47 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 18, 7:09 pm, rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com
Do no liken me to a woman who is suspected of killing her child. This
is purely defamatory on your part.

Like I said, if I recall correctly, YOU were threatening me. I have
never threatened you.


On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:37:01 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

...the deceitful words of Mark S. Probert, disbarred by the New York
Supreme Court in November, 1992.
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/propagandistprobert.html

On Oct 18, 6:34 pm, Mark Probert <...@gmail.com


On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:56:51 -0500, "t" <...@gmail.com

Are you confusing this with your schoolyard experiences when everyone was
threatening to you? Or is it that you still are fearful of everyone?
"Mark Probert" <...@g31g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 18, 6:20 pm, rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com
If I recall correctly, you threatened me.


On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:01:11 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 18, 7:56 pm, "t" <...@gmail.com
sTools, I do not live in fear. I used to go hunting VC nd NVA in a
three man team in the jungles of Vietnam. If I felt fear, it would
have been then.

"Mark Probert" <...@gmail.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:42:09 -0500, "t" <...@gmail.com

You fear disease. You fear death from disease.
"Mark Probert" <...@k4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 18, 7:56 pm, "t" <...@gmail.com
sTools, I do not live in fear. I used to go hunting VC nd NVA in a
three man team in the jungles of Vietnam. If I felt fear, it would
have been then.

"Mark Probert" <...@gmail.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:44:07 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 19, 4:42 am, "t" <...@gmail.com
I do not fear it. However, why not just avoid it by a few sensible
measures, like vaccination?

"Mark Probert" <...@gmail.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:11:50 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

On Oct 18, 6:07 pm, Mark Probert <...@gmail.com
...the deceitful words of Mark S. Probert, disbarred by the New York
Supreme Court in November, 1992.
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/propagandistprobert.html

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:36:20 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 18, 7:11 pm, rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com
Personal attack deleted.

You did threaten me. If it is wrong for anyone to threaten you, it is
wrong for you to do it to others.

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:14:48 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

Casey Anthony,

Have you read this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

Antisocial personality disorder
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Not to be confused with Avoidant personality disorder.
Antisocial personality disorder
Classification and external resources
ICD-10 F60.2
ICD-9 301.8
MeSH D000987

Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD or APD) is defined by the
American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual
as "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the
rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and
continues into adulthood."[1] The individual must be age 18 or older,
as well as have a documented history of a conduct disorder before the
age of 15.[1] People having antisocial personality disorder are
sometimes referred to as "sociopaths" and "psychopaths", although some
researchers believe that these terms are not synonymous with ASPD.[2]

On Oct 18, 6:36 pm, Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:12:30 +0200, Happy Oyster <...@ariplex.com

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:14:48 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com

<quoteFrom: rpautrey2 <...@gmail.comNewsgroups:
sci.med.psychobiology,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.autism,misc.kids.healt h
Subject: Re: Cyberstalking is a crime
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:52:37 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <...@b14g2000yqd.googlegroups.comInjection-Info: b14g2000yqd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=166.137.7.11;
posting-account=ezXmYwoAAAA5ReSVHFJ6iUzzsZGy0Tn6
[...]

Disbarred Attorney,

Now you're playing Mr. Innocent.

Tell your boys to backoff!

You're not going to like what I might post.
</quote--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:50:03 -0500, "t" <...@gmail.com

"Happy Oyster" <...@ariplex.com> wrote in message news:61jnd5t

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:15:20 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 18, 10:14 pm, rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com
Why would I read anything posted by an asshole who persists in
likening me to a woman who may have murdered her daughter? Any person
who would post such a thing is irrational and not worth the time.


On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:23:07 -0500, "t" <...@gmail.com

As Mark runs away, with his fingers in his ears, saying loudly "I can't
hear you,! I can't hear you! This is because Mark is very immature. He does
not want any information that counters his misinformed opinion about
everything. Such behavior could very well have contributed to his failure as
an attorney. Too bad he has a family that is subject to his wrong headed
ideas.
"Mark Probert" <...@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 18, 10:14 pm, rpautrey2 <...@gmail.com
Why would I read anything posted by an asshole who persists in
likening me to a woman who may have murdered her daughter? Any person
who would post such a thing is irrational and not worth the time.


On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:47:20 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <...@gmail.com

On Oct 19, 9:23 am, "t" <...@gmail.com

Wrong, Piss4Brains.

This is because Mark is very immature. He does

Wrong. I want quality information all the time. I want my ideas to be
challenged. So far, anti-vac liars have not done so.

Such behavior could very well have contributed to his failure as

I see, so you want to bring my family into this.

When you post with your real name, verifiable email address, and have
a header where there is a NNTP Posting Host, then come back and tell
me about fear.

Until then you are a coward in my eyes, and also in Jan Drew's
opinion.

"Mark Probert" <...@gmail.com