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On Tue, 26 May 2009 12:26:17 -0500, Marvin the Martian <...@ontomars.org
One big problem is finding a cheap and efficient way to make enriched
uranium or the artificial element, Plutonium.
Second problem is putting it together without killing yourself.
Third problem is doing it without being detected.
Like someone said, you can look this up on Wikipedia. But then, most of
sci.physics threads could be looked up in Wikipedia or better yet, in a
physics book.
I'm thinking more physics books, less sci.physics.
--
Flamer & Trolls happily killfiled, as they should. No one should have to
tolerate their abuse. If a flamer should get luck and ask an intelligent
question and you want it answered, repeat it for them.
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 12:41:20 -0500, Tom Roberts <...@sbcglobal.net
It won't generate a nuclear explosion. That's because only U235 will
work in an atomic bomb, and U238 "poisons" it. U238 is natural abundance of Uranium. Because U235 and U238 have the same
chemistry, you need to separate them via physical means, and that is
difficult and very expensive. Existing supplies of "enriched Uranium":
(i.e. with a large fraction of U235) are closely held and guarded;
non-proliferation treaties limit the sale of this and other nuclear
materials.
As you say, if it were easy everybody would be doing it. Fortunately, it
is not easy.
Tom Roberts
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 10:44:49 -0700 (PDT), alien8er <...@gmail.com
On May 26, 10:11 am, Sanny <...@hotmail.com
You know, you could loo this stuff up rather than "I think" about
it.
Many don't want it; if they have it, they become targets of others
who already have many.
There's more available than you might think.
Why do you bother "supposing" stuff? Do you "suppose" the Bomb was
invented by people who "supposed" a lot?
Dude, you need a better grade of drugs.
Yeah, right.
As an aside, AFAIK no nuclear bomb "test" has ever resulted in
failure to detonate. Apparently they aren't all that difficult to
make...
Mark L. Fergerson
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 12:37:54 -0700 (PDT), dlzc <...@cox.net
Dear Sanny:
On May 26, 10:11 am, Sanny <...@hotmail.com...
If you had a container to keep your juices from simply spraying
(because you'd be liquified by the acceleration), you would be like
this manhole cover:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhole_cover#Propelled_into_space
Yes, it would be the size of a small rocky asteroid.
David A. Smith
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 12:56:53 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth <...@gmail.com
On May 26, 10:11 am, Sanny <...@hotmail.com
Sanny AI, this time your AI programming has gone bad.
Pull the plug and reboot before it's too late.
~ BG
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 01:26:34 -0700 (PDT), "Y.Porat" <...@gmail.com
On May 26, 7:11 pm, Sanny <...@hotmail.com
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would you like it to be easy to do ?? (:-)
Y.P
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 10:19:59 -0700 (PDT), Double-A <...@hush.com
On May 26, 10:11 am, Sanny <...@hotmail.com
The North Koreans haven't found them so difficult to build.
Making a nuclear bomb involves a lot more than filling an iron ball
with uranium. I would tell you what the process is, but then my
government would have to kill you!
Double-A
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 12:47:01 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse <...@gmail.com
On May 26, 9:19 am, Double-A <...@hush.com
I'm ok with that.
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 05:42:44 -0700 (PDT), "zzb...@netscape.net" <...@netscape.net
On May 26, 1:19 pm, Double-A <...@hush.com
Well, since that's mostly because they get a lot of nuclear help
from the Chinese, not because they know anything about bombs,
So that;s also why the people with post-1945 brains work on
GPS, Digital Terrain Mapping, Optical Computers, Digital Fiber
Optics,
Distrubuted Processing, CD+rw, CD+ram, DVD-rom, MP3, MPEG,
Laserdisk Libraries, Holographics and Holograms, Thermo-Electric
Cooling,
Microwave Cooling, Self-Assembling Robots, Self-Replicating
Machines, Cell Phones,
Broadband, AUVs, Cruise Missiles, Drones, Atomic Clock Watches,
Compact Flourescent Lighting, Light Sticks, All-In-One Printers,
Flat-Screen HDTV Software Debuggers, C++, XML, USB, On-Line
Banking, On-Line Shopping,
On-Line Publishing, Solar Energy, Pv Cell Energy, Biodiesel, Neo
Wind Energy,
Gas Turbine Engines, Phalanx, and Post-Jeep Electric Cars, rather
than with idiots
like Plutonium Physicsts anyway.
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 13:49:58 -0700 (PDT), Double-A <...@hush.com
On May 27, 5:42 am, "zzb...@netscape.net" <...@netscape.netwrote:
You think the Chinese really want North Korea building their own
nuclear bombs?
Double-A
> > Double-A
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Anonymous Wrote:
On May 26, 7:11 pm, Sanny <...@hotmail.com
Nuculear boombs are so difficult to make
because them atoms are so small.
That makes them difficult to handle.
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 14:43:08 -0700 (PDT), Darwin123 <...@yahoo.com
How come you, or no one else, asked where to find the uranium?
I mean, if I had 52 tons of uranium and $1.50, I could get a ride
on the Metro. And I may be able to do that with only $1.50.
And the nucleus is even smaller than the atom. A nucleus can be one
thousanth the size of an atom, or even smaller.
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:06:05 GMT, Jan Panteltje <...@yahoo.com
On a sunny day (Wed, 27 May 2009 14:43:08 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Darwin123
<...@r3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com
And then that little neutron they use as chisel to splice that nucleus
is even smaller.
And there are so many that you need to split...
One of them would not release enough energy to even boil water for the thee.
A lot of chiselling to do!
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 10:18:24 -0700 (PDT), PD <...@gmail.com
On May 26, 12:11 pm, Sanny <...@hotmail.com
Well, it's a good thing you don't know the first thing about fission,
then, isn't it?
You know, you could look this up. Tried wikipedia?
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 07:44:03 -0400, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol
Have you noticed that the kid cannot read?
/BAH
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 15:08:25 +0300, "Ahmed Ouahi, Architect" <...@welho.com
" There is a difference between human conceptions of what looks natural and
what is natural. "
-- Johannes Kepler
--
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
Best Regards!
"jmfbahciv" <...@news7.newsguy.com...
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 14:24:06 GMT, Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol
It's a practical joke and the giveaway is the question "How high will
the explosion lift me if I blow it under my chair?" There should be a
name for people who post stupid statements on the internet, to see
whether readers will get the joke. He can't be a troll, because he's
obviously got a sense of humor.
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 08:41:09 -0400, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol
Which has nothing to do with my comment about the suggestion.
/BAH
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 02:49:32 GMT, "Bill Hobba" <...@junk.com
"Sanny" <...@y33g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Not quite. The trick is to ensure the fissionable material (and that's
pretty hard to get) remains at critical density long enough to be really
effective. If not it won't be any more effective than TNT and spray a lot
of radioactive material about. In fact it the principle of dirty atomic
bombs that are perhaps even more destructive in their own way. Its one of
the things guys like Feynman had to figure out on the Manhattan project.
Figuring this out, while not beyond the capabilities of competent
scientists, is most certainly not trivial.
Thanks
Bill
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 21:13:32 -0600, MalKantent <...@hotmail.com
On Wed, 27 May 2009 02:49:32 GMT, "Bill Hobba" <...@junk.comwrote:
1. First, obtain about 25 pounds (~10 kg) of Plutonium239 at
your local supplier (see NOTES 1 & 2). A nuclear power plant is not
recommended, as you'll have to extract and separate it from spent fuel
rods, and it's a messy job. Besides, large quantities of missing
Plutonium tends to make plant engineers unhappy. We suggest that you
contact one of the former Soviet Republics, or perhaps the Junior
Achievement in your neighborhood.
Fig. 1The sheet metal and the completed enclosure. A small
rolling toolbox was chosen for the design, because of the ease of
transport. Note the various stickers, which add believability to the
disguise.
2. Fashion together a metal enclosure to house the device (Fig.
1). Most common varieties of sheet metal can be bent to disguise this
enclosure as, for example; a briefcase, a lunch pail, or a Buick. Do
not use tinfoil or gum wrappers.
3. Arrange the Plutonium into two hemispheral shapes (Fig. 2),
separated by about 4 cm. Use rubber cement to hold the Plutonium dust
together.
4. Now get about 100 pounds (44 kg) of trinitrotoluene (TNT).
Gelignite is much better, but messier to work with. Your helpful
hardware man or local Bomb Depot store will be happy to provide you
with this item.
5. Pack the explosives around the hemisphere arrangement constructed
in step 4. If you cannot find Gelignite, feel free to use TNT packed
in with Playdoh or any modeling clay. Colored clay is acceptable, but
there is no need to get fancy at this point.
6. Wrap this entire structure very tightly with duct tape. Use a whole
roll. This shall be the neutron reflector and inertial containment.
7. Insert the assembly from step 6 into the enclosure made in step 2.
Use a strong glue such as "Crazy Glue" to bind the hemisphere
arrangement against the enclosure to prevent accidental detonation
which might result from vibration or mishandling.
8. To fabricate a detonator for the device, obtain a radio controlled
(RC) servo mechanism, as found in RC model airplanes and cars. With a
modicum of effort, a remote plunger can be made that will strike a
detonator cap to effect a small explosion. These detonation caps can
be found in the electrical supply section of your local supermarket.
We recommend the "Blast-O-Mactic" brand because they are no deposit-no
return.
9. Now hide the completed device from the neighbors and children. The
garage is not recommended because of high humidity and the extreme
range of temperatures experienced there. Nuclear materials corrode
easily, and devices have been known to spontaneously detonate in these
unstable conditions. The hall closet or under the sofa will be
perfectly suitable.
10. Now you are the proud owner of a working nuclear device! It is a
great ice-breaker at parties; is nice to cozy around on a cold night;
and in a pinch, can be used for National Defense.
III. THEORY OF OPERATION
Oversimplified, the device basically works when the detonated TNT
compresses the Plutonium into a critical mass (smaller sphere). The
critical mass then produces a nuclear chain reaction similar to the
domino chain reaction (discussed in this column, "Dominos on the
March", February). The chain reaction happens really, really fast,
which promptly produces a big explosion. And there you have it, a 10
kiloton party favor!
IV. NOTES
1. Plutonium (PU), atomic number 94, is a radioactive metallic element
formed by the decay of Neptunium and is similar in chemical structure
to Uranium, Saturnium, Jupiternium, and Marsium. Not to be confused
with Unobtanium or Balonium.
2. Please remember that Plutonium, especially pure, refined Plutonium,
is somewhat dangerous. The shavings and dust have a nasty habit of
igniting spontaneously, and are practically impossible to extinguish
with materials found around the house.
Some Plutonium dust ignites spontaneously in a lab accident.
Wash your hands with soap and warm water after handling the material,
and don't allow your children or pets to play in it or eat it. Any
leftover Plutonium dust is excellent as an insect repellant. You may
wish to keep the substance in a lead box if you can find one in your
local junk yard, but an old coffee can will do nicely.
--
http://www.freelance-academy.org/slowread.pdf
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 14:19:18 GMT, Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.
"Bill Hobba" <...@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
@y33g2000prg.googlegroups.com.
I think it can be solved with a simple force balance, although
manufacturing quality coutrol would have to be high enough that it
didn't develop assymmetries. That may be the heart of any difficulty in
pit design.
The question is, was the Manhattan project just two halves thrown
together by dynamite (dipole) or did they use a higher order mulitpole?
Nobody in here knows the answer to that question.
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 07:36:48 -0700 (PDT), PD <...@gmail.com
On May 27, 9:19 am, Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.
The shaped charge definitely took into account higher order terms. See
discussion on pg 544 in Rhodes and associated figures, or pg 140 in
Coster-Mullen and associated figures. The real trick was getting an
even shock wave into the polonium/beryllium initiator.
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 02:01:24 GMT, Odysseus <...@yahoo-dot.ca
In article <...@207.115.17.102 Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.
<snip
The "Little Boy" bomb dropped on Hiroshima was like a big gun with a
plugged muzzle, firing one subcritical chunk of uranium-235 at another.
Its function was deemed straightforward enough not to require testing.
The same design could have been used with plutonium, but would need to
be much larger, too big for any available delivery system -- i.e.
long-range bomber. Hence the "Fat Man" implosion design, tested at
"Trinity" and then dropped on Nagasaki, which compressed its plutonium
charge to criticality by simultaneously detonating numerous carefully
shaped explosive castings packed spherically around it, and moreover
kick-started the nuclear chain-reaction with a polonium initiator.
--
Odysseus
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 05:30:41 -0700 (PDT), PD <...@gmail.com
On May 27, 9:01 pm, Odysseus <...@yahoo-dot.ca
Almost. It was firing one THROUGH the other, the muzzle being uranium
and the projectile being uranium, as I understand it. The trick was
getting the projectile into the muzzle quickly enough so that enough
mass was in close contact. Too slow and the leading edge of the
projectile heats up, melts, and prevents further penetration. This was
the major problem with this design with plutonium. You'd have to get
the projectile into the muzzle completely inside a few milliseconds,
and for that you needed a longer throw to get the plutonium projectile
up to speed.
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:01:32 GMT, Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.
PD <...@b1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
You don't mean "muzzle." You mean "target." It would be interesting to
try to use the neutronics equations from basic reactor physics to
calculate the fizzle time constant. Again, I guess it would be a force
balance between the mass of the penetrator and the repulsion from
nuclear fission.
Assuming you know how to get the energy released, what equation would
you use to transform the energy into a force? And where did you get
that number "a few milliseconds"?
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 12:09:44 -0700 (PDT), jc <...@yahoo.com
They've successfully made A-bombs out of two things:
U235. "Little Boy". It's easy to make a U235
bomb, because It will explode if you fire
two sub-critical masses together.
However, natural
Uranium is only .7% U235, and you
have to enrich it to 10-20% to make a
bomb. Enrichment is difficult, and
hard to hide. Summary: bomb easy, materiel
hard.
Pu239. "Fat Man". Much easier to produce, because
It's a product of a fission reactor which
can be separated with a simple chemical
reaction. Easy to do; easy to hide.
However, because of the higher ambient
neutron yield, if you try to build a Pu239 bomb
like a U235 bomb, it will "fizzle" before it
explodes (which is actually still pretty bad).
So you build a sub-critical shell
and use focused charges to bring it all
together at once. This is hard to do,
particularly without testing. Summary:
materiel easy, bomb hard.
If the situation were reversed, we probably wouldn't
be here to talk about it.
Actually, the laws of physics have conspired in
such a way that nuclear bombs are "possible",
but "hard", and some of this is pure luck. Because
U235 has a shorter half life than U238, there used
to be more of it. A few hundred million years ago,
natural Uranium was reactor grade, and early in the
Earth's life natural uranium was *weapons grade*,
so if human life had evolved much earlier than
it did, any society with a basic knowledge of
explosives and metallurgy could make a nuclear
weapon!
-jc
On May 26, 12:11 pm, Sanny <...@hotmail.com
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 16:53:26 -0300, namekuseijin <...@gmail.com
jc escreveu:
Interesting. I guess while natural Uranium deteriorated, radiation was
killing or draging life around. Nature, it seems, is not without
purpose. :)
--
a game sig: http://tinyurl.com/d3rxz9
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 18:44:45 -0500, "jason" <...@theblackhole.com
"namekuseijin" <...@adenine.netfront.net...
Havent you thought that maybe because of this release of natural radation
may have caused the mutation the human chromosomes so that 2 of th
chromosomes combined into one to create the homo habalis which eventually
led to us?
one of the largest natural uranium deposits was found in africa...
--
God is really a pink elephant with television rabbit ears.... think I am
wrong?
Prove it
Assume nothing; expect everything
Please excuse my typos/misspelled words I have no spell checker
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 23:51:47 -0300, namekuseijin <...@gmail.com
Yeah, X-Men indeed. :P
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 14:34:52 -0700 (PDT), Darwin123 <...@yahoo.com
On May 26, 7:44 pm, "jason" <...@theblackhole.com Wrong type of mutation. Nuclear radiation does not cause fusion
type mutations, as far as is known.
The main type of mutation caused by nuclear radiation is gene
deletion, otherwise called "knock out" mutation. A gene is completely
destroyed. I don't think anyone has suggested a method by which a
radioactive element could cause chromosome fusion. There may be such a
process, but no one has suggested one. Never the less, the effect of
nuclear radiation on mutation has been studied in great detail. Knock
outs often cause saltations, which are very large changes in
phenotypes that are almost impossible to miss. The physical process of
knock-out is quite obvious.
Imagine a neutron coming in and hitting a a nucleus in a DNA
molecule point blank. The neutron has a large fraction of the mass of
the nucleus and thus knocks it out of the molecule. There is no
replacement. The gene is now ruined beyond repair. It no longer
functions either in RNA transcription nor in switching the
transcription. The same argument applies to alpha particles (i.e.,
helium nucleii) and gamma rays. The energy of high energy radiation is
so large, it most likely destroys the gene rather than modifies it
slightly.
Such a mutation is often seen in those "homeotic monsters." You
know. The antennae that turns into a leg, the apearance or
disappearance of eyes in strange places. If the gene is a regulatory
gene, the effect can be quite dramatic. A knock-out mutation can
involve the sudden appearance of an organ in the wrong place, as well
as the disappearance of organs. Regulatory genes often suppress the
growth of certain organs in certain places, so the deletion is likely
to cause these organs to grow where they aren't supposed to. In fact,
most knock out mutations are extreme and lethal. This is why nuclear
radiation is not supposed to be a big catalyst for evolution.
In any case, the mutation that turned an H. habilus into H. sapien
was not a homeotic monster. Our hominid ancestors had two arms, two
legs, two eyes, and the same numbers of all the same equipment in
pretty much the same places. The other great apes look pretty much
like us in terms of what organs there are, where, and how many. So I
don't think uranium had anything to do with it.
The mutation that you were suggesting, chromosome fusion, is not
likely to be caused by nuclear radiation. It may be caused by lesser
forms of mutation. Imagine a visible light photon (or UV photon)
creating a free radical, which causes a point polymerization, which
ends up fusing two chromosomes together. If you can't imagine it, read
an organic chemistry book |:-) Fusion would most probably not be
caused by any radiation at all. It could also be caused by some
corrosive chemical, like an alkali, causing a reduction in one of the
bases in the DNA molecule resulting in a fusion. It could be a random
accident during meiosis, caused by the gene hitting the other
chromosome during a window in the process.
The collision causing fusion would be thermal, having nothing to
do with radiation. High energy collisions would probably not cause
gene fusions or anything else than gene deletions.
Chromosome fusion has been studied especially in grass hoppers.
Chromosome fusion does not cause saltations, or at least not as big as
knockout mutations. Of course, this actually reinforces your other
point. A mutation that has a very small effect is less likely to be
lethal than a saltation.
The fusion you are talking about was very likely to have helped
create the human species. However, it is very unlikely to have been
created by nuclear radiation. So I don't think either uranium or
radium helped turn homo habilus into homo sapien. Maybe a beta ray
from uranium created a free radical that caused a fusion. I would like
to see any evidence that any form of radiation can cause two
chromosomes to fuse.
I suspect life formed and evolved despite the large abundance
of uranium and radium, not because of it.
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 16:32:30 -0500, "jason" <...@theblackhole.com
Very informative info thanks for your post. However let me ask you this.
What if by chance the radation cause the gene fusion when the genes were
being developed possibly during conception or somtime in the first trimester
of the pregnance. Especially during conception where as you said one gene
would be completely knocked out, and lets say that it was, then the
adjoining chromosome wou have in essence possibly taken over in its place or
something to that effect. maybe some of the dna was actually fused or the
remaining dna from that isolated chromosome was perhaps mutated in a way
that it was able to become the one. I want to say it was the 15th and 16th
chromosome that actually fused but I dont remember and just dont feel like
looking it up right now LOL.
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 17:07:55 -0700 (PDT), Darwin123 <...@yahoo.com
On May 28, 5:32 pm, "jason" <...@theblackhole.com I don't know the details of chromosome fusion enough to say
whether a gene deletion could lead to chromosome fusion. Or chromosome
fission, for that matter.
or somtime in the first trimester. Obviously, nculear radiation
rarely leads to chromosome fusion or fission. Alot experiments with
radiation has been performed. The only ones that have been regularly
reported are the straight gene deletions.
I would be very interested in studies or even speculation as to
what causes chromosomes to split or fuse. Chemically induced mutation
seems to me a more likely cause of chromosome fusion or splitting than
nuclear radiation.
I know that chromosome duplication is caused by a chemical called
choline. Although this can cause trisomies, some plants have been
hybridized successfully using choline. Since it is a natural chemical,
it seems possible. I know asbestos causes somatic mutations involving
the deletion of entire chromosomes, and rearrangement of all sorts in
chromosomes. There are so many chemical mutagens.
I seem to remember in the sixties there was a claim that LSD
caused chromosome splitting. I don't know what ahppened to these
studies. It was hypothesized taht this caused birth defects. In our
language, an inheritable birth defect would be a saltation. I remembe
later studies seem to indicate the effect of this gene splitting was
minor, phenotypically.
At the first trimester, the ratio of somatic to germ cells must
be already use. Thus, by the end of three months the tendency toward
mutation must be not much longer.
Most mutations are supposed to happen during meiosis rather than
conception. When the germ cell forms gametes (eggs or sperms), there
is a big dance where the motion of the chromosomes is highly
synchronized. It looks like a square dance only the number of turns
each chromosome makes is determined by spinning dice. It is during
this dance of chromosomes that a single mistep can cause a mutation.
I think a good analogy for the more minor types of mutation can be
made with square dancing. Two chromosomes fusing would be like a man
swing a woman and accidently finding himself with another man after a
dosey doe |:-) A gene deletion would be like when a man is a girl and
someone shoots her with a gun.
I suspect weird and unlikely combinations are more the studff of
evolution than gene deletions.
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Anonymous Wrote:
On May 26, 12:09 pm, jc <...@yahoo.com
To produce Pu239, you still need to have a substantial amount of
U235. So, the material is still rather difficult to come by. <shrug
During WWII, the Americans, the Germans, and the Japanese were trying
to create the bomb. To do so, you need to start with Pu235 by
enriching U238 regardless if you want to use Pu239 or just U235.
The Americans were very much concentrated on producing Pu239 since
Plutonium was discovered by Seeborg during the war. To enrich from
U238, the clowns at the Manhattan Project relied on electromagnetism
to do so. Since the war was about to be won by the Allies, these guys
were just playing it all along and busy playing practical jokes on the
others to pass time.
The Germans, on the other hand, were already enriching U238 through
centrifuge technique developed by Harteck. I am not sure if they knew
how to produce Pu239, but if they can produce U235, it is somewhat
certain that they could also do Pu239.
The bomb tested in New Mexico and the bombs dropped in Japan were
certainly of German origin. If the war were to continue for another
month, London and Paris would be toasted.
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 17:21:31 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse <...@gmail.com
Not even wrong. The German's effort was practically meaningless, and
Japan had no nuclear program whatsoever.
And _no_ amount of enrichment will get you Plutonium from Uranium.
No, the concentration was on plutonium since the design was easier and
less fissile material was needed. However both types of fission
devices were pursued.
The electromagnetic calutrons were only one of the methods pursued,
you history-ignorant shitstain.
Holy christ you are a true polystupid. Is there no aspect of history
which you are wrong about but are silent about?
WROOONNGGGGG.
You aren't sure? You demonstrate absolute certainty about other things
which you are entirely wrong. Why not take the extra step and claim
the Germans produced plutonium? It wouldn't really detract from your
overall point - its' like pissing in a toilet that's already full of
shit.
hahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Anonymous Wrote:
Gas centrifuge is practically the only method today to enrich uranium,
and it was Harteck who invented it. <shrug
Nonsense. Even the ever so politically correct History Channel
claimed what Japan had done in their nuclear program during WWII had
fared better than the US counterpart given the amount of resources
allocated, and that is no understatement. <shrugYukawa?
Hmmm... Statement like that proves you are still a college dropout.
<shrug
No, the design is not simpler. The effort leading to the required
amount of plutonium concentration still has to go through the very
necessary step in enriching uranium. Only Harteck’s centrifuge
technology is anything viable to do so. <shrug
Electromagnetism was the only serious effort by the clowns in the
Manhattan Project to enrich uranium. Not only it failed miserable, it
also depleted the entire US silver reserve to do so. These clowns
thought by using silver as wires they could gain an advantage in
slightly lower resistance, or is it because copper was a more wartime
necessity than silver?
Eric Gisse the college dropout, the troll, and the liar knows no other
history besides the piles of textbooks he sits on --- the very
textbooks that the Orwellian government try to dictate to zombies that
history should politically be. <shrug
Again, the choice of enriching uranium is centrifuge. Today, gas
centrifuge is found to be the most efficient --- the only practical
way. <shrug
That is right. Heisenberg was elusive during the war. He was even
more elusive after war. Being a master trying to be politically
correct, his actions became shrouded in mystery with multiple
interpretations. <shrug
Why is the college dropout, the troll, and the liar so certain that
what he is told is right? Would you bet your life on it? Only the
extreme shallow-minded individual would such as a college dropout, a
troll, and a liar. Tell-tale sign of lies can easily be cross-checked
by the technology and mathematics involved. You see. Logic always
prevails. <shrug
It is more probable that they did. As you know, the German nuclear
program during WWII consisted of two teams where each team pursued
different technology. <shrugProject consisted of a bunch of amateur who were just going for the
ride. It was a country club. <shrug
What toilet tricks are you experimenting again today? Please keep it
to yourself.
That is certainly a laughter of a the college dropout, the troll, and
the liar. <shrug
Why are you so upset that the Allies were so close to losing that
war? It must be political. Nothing can change the actual history,
but history must be presented as it was. <shrug
There were four great hoaxes in the 20th century. One was promoting
Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar into godhood. One
was the xxx (guess what that is). One was which side first enriched
uranium during WWII. The last one was the Apollo moon landing hoax.
You know “One small fraud for a man; one giant hoax for mankind.”
Hoaxes in the 21th century become ever more bodacious.
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 01:29:38 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse <...@gmail.com
Practically?
Try again.
http://www.chemcases.com/nuclear/nc-07.htm
Yukawa was a particle physicist.
I laugh at your usual complete lack of referenes supporting the
claims.
Thanks for proving your ignorance of basic nuclear chemistry.
Uh, yeah it was simpler. Or do you think a gun type bomb is 'simpler'
than an implosion type bomb?
Regardless, Plutonium comes from a reactor - not from Uranium
enrichment. But please try to continue burying yourself by saying
that's what you 'meant'.
BZZT, WRONG.
Wrong, and wrong. The silver reserve was NOT depleted in order to
build the electromagnetic calutrons at Oak Ridge. Study some history
instead of making shit up.
Apparently there's no effort that you won't shit all over. Nothing
impresses you unless you thought of it first.
Ah, so were you there?
Sure, but hindsight is 20/20. That a semipermeable membrane would be
the best choice only came after a few billion dollars of research and
development.
Sure, we could go with that. Or we could read what scholars have
written about Heisenberg, which contradicts your claims.
Would I...bet my life over matters of long established historical fact
as confirmed by living witnesses and every written acount ever made?
Wouldn't be much of a _bet_ now would it?
You should be medicated. Everything is a conspiracy to you.
Despite never building a working reactor.
Is being that stupid like a cool breeze passing over your frontal
cortex, or is more like a comfortable numbness?
I'm not because they weren't. Germany was stomped to the ground, and
Japan was confined to its' main islands.
Winning the war without atomic weapons would have cost more than a few
people's lives.
This is all matters of historical fact. Not that a insane and stupid
conspiracy loon like yourself gives a flying fuck about such things.
Oh I'm sure you can think of a few more if you use the same 'critical'
thinking skills on more basic things.
What's funny is that you completely miss more conventional but in your
face lies (Iraq), and instead focus on things that make you look like
a lunatic. Whatever flots your boat.
Keep up the good work, chicken little.
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Anonymous Wrote:
On May 27, 1:29 am, Eric Gisse <...@gmail.com
Centrifuge technology was abandoned because the clowns of the
Manhattan Project did not know what they were doing said the article.
It is cute that they also tried the enrichment program through gas
diffusion. Even electromagnetism would offer you enough material in
only after 250 years. <shrug
<shrug
The development of nuclear weapon falls under the expertise of
particle physicists. <shrug
Electromagnetism was the only serious effort carried out by the clowns
in the Manhattan Project to enrich uranium. All other efforts lead
nowhere fast. <shrug
Well, I maybe exaggerate it, but the effort did require a tremendous
pile of silver since copper was a wartime necessary item.
So, Gisse the college dropout, the troll, and the liar has nothing to
say besides the brainy material in his intestine. There is no need to
continue then. <shrug
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 05:34:36 -0700 (PDT), PD <...@gmail.com
Regarding the history of the atomic bomb, I do recommend avoiding the
History Channel and instead picking up a copy of Richard Rhodes' book
on the subject. It's probably THE definitive history, and it will
correct many of the misapprehensions exhibited above.
PD
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 14:14:20 GMT, Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.
PD <...@b1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
hahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Rhodes doesn't discuss pit design and implosion, which is where the
rubber meets the road. AFAIK, more is known about the h-bomb, because
the implosion is driven by x-ray light pressure. No such detail about
the a-bomb has even been released.
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 07:21:36 -0700 (PDT), PD <...@gmail.com
On May 27, 9:14 am, Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.
Well, yes, that will likely always be classified. But Rhodes did make
it clear why shaping the charges was crucial to successful energy
production.
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 13:17:17 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse <...@gmail.com
On May 27, 6:14 am, Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.
Rhodes is a historian, not a physicist, engineer, or weapon designer.
Are you truly, honestly, surprised that the pit design might have been
left out of a historical work?
That is, assuming, that the design isn't still classified.
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 04:07:27 GMT, Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.
Eric Gisse <...@k19g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
I'm guessing that the critical issue is shaping both the explosive
charges and the Pu segments in such a way that the implosive blast
optimally shapes the Pu segments for supercriticality at the precise
moment that they all meet in the center to form a sphere, and so that
all faces of the segments become flat and meet at precisely the same
instant.
This will determine the number of pieces and whether they're evenly
distributed according to some multipole structure or whether the
dynamics of the explosive demands something different.
Another important issue is choosing the conventional explosive. High
energy density is important, because many of the things have to be kept
small, for artillery shells and such. Chemical stability may be even
more important, because the things sit around unused for interminable
lengths of time.
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 02:35:29 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse <...@gmail.com
On May 27, 8:07 pm, Bluuuue Rajah <...@Rajah.[...]
Timing of the explosion and a predictable consistency are also
important. There are simply a shit-ton of subtle engineering and
physics issues that just don't belong in a historical monograph.
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 10:16:56 -0700 (PDT), jc <...@yahoo.com
On May 27, 7:34 am, PD <...@gmail.com
If you're a slower reader, most of the key technical
information is in the dry but very informative "Atomic
Energy for Military Purposes", by Henry D. Smyth, the
official declassified report on the Manhattan Project,
published almost immediately after the war.
Re-skimming through it, they had major efforts in both
gaseous diffusion and electromagnetic separation, but
by the end of the war only the electromagnetic separation
had produced sufficient quantities for a bomb.
-jc
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 03:41:34 GMT, Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.
jc <...@o14g2000vbo.googlegroups.com:
hahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
There's also a newer, cheaper one by the same author, dated 2007 and
entitled "Atomic Energy 1940-1945 : A General Account of the Development
of Methods of Using Atomic Energy for Military Purposes Under the
Auspices of the United States Government." Maybe it also dates from the
war but was more recently declassified.
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 17:48:58 GMT, "hanson" <...@quick.net
Guys, for info on nukes, google/groups for [ Carey.Sublette ]
The dudes posts & websites are worth 2 semesters in nuke engineering.
Careful, don't get any on you, but still, have fun... ahaha... ahahahanson
"jc" <...@o14g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...
On May 27, 7:34 am, PD <...@gmail.com
If you're a slower reader, most of the key technical
information is in the dry but very informative "Atomic
Energy for Military Purposes", by Henry D. Smyth, the
official declassified report on the Manhattan Project,
published almost immediately after the war.
Re-skimming through it, they had major efforts in both
gaseous diffusion and electromagnetic separation, but
by the end of the war only the electromagnetic separation
had produced sufficient quantities for a bomb.
-jc
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 04:28:41 GMT, Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.
"hanson" <...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net:
Sublette seems to be away from Usenet for the last 3.5 months. I wonder
if he'd know the answer to my multipole question.
@o14g2000vbo.googlegroups.com.
hahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 06:11:54 GMT, "hanson" <...@quick.net
Guys, for info on nukes, google/groups for [ Carey.Sublette ]
The dude's posts & websites are worth 2 semesters in nuke
engineering.
Careful, don't get any on you, but still, have fun... ahaha...
ahahahanson
Sublette seems to be away from Usenet for the last 3.5 months.
I wonder if he'd know the answer to my multipole question.
yes, Sublette does. He had all the clearances when he worked
at the now DOE, then AEC or its predecessors at the nuke
labs. Don't expect him to repeat for you what he has sketched
written about and posted and repeated already 100's of times.
Don't such a lazy fuck and do your own search, for instance in
Carey.Sublette's archive and then also comb thru the
343,000 google hits for -- [multipole nuclear ]---
IIRC, your "multipole" is jargon that was popularized
years and decades later when the story tellers began
to pontificate about the nuke development history in their
useless but very pompous "mathematical" treatises.
These jonny-come-latelies will tell you nothing new that
was not already know in the 1930's, and measured with
protocols and tools that are archaic by today's standards...
...ahahaha....
Also be keenly aware that in any such historic endeavor
scores & hordes of me-too-inventors and cons do surface
attempting to nuzzle into the circle to get post-game fame....
So, by now you'll will never get to know with full certainty
of who did what first. Too much shit has been smeared
over it. ... which of course makes the entire story even
funnier the it really was... ahahahaha... hahahahanson
>
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Anonymous Wrote:
On May 27, 11:11 pm, "hanson" <...@quick.net
The account reads like a fairy tale. When the enriched material were
required, they would just miraculously appear on the spot. It is
smeared with typical signatures of Einstein Dingleberries to cover up
crap that they had produced. <shrug
The clowns of the Manhattan Project had already given up on centrifuge
technology. That is to give them the benefit of doubt to their own
claim. The gas diffusion was also canned in favor of electromagnetic
separation, and yet the article continued to claim the benefit of gas
diffusion. The whole $hit just does not add up just like relativity.
Facts are:
** The allied won the war.
** Nuclear weapons were deployed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki kill
hundreds of thousands of civilians and tens of thousands of allied
POWs.
** The Americans were the first to produce these atomic bombs to do
all these horrendous but unnecessary killings.
Myths are:
** The clowns in the Manhattan Project at Los Alamos enriched the
necessary uranium through electromagnetic separation. This will take
a long time beyond the life span of a human to achieve even critical
mass. That is why it is never utilized in modern-day enrichment
program.
Reconstructed facts are:
** Harteck’s centrifuge technology allowed Germany to enrich uranium
to adequate weapon-ready levels.
** Heisenberg was coerced to say whatever crap to fool the Russians
that the atomic weapon was totally developed by the Americans alone.
Thus, the Americans were not obliged to share the uranium-enrichment
technology with the world according to (I think it was) the Yalta
Conference.
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On Fri, 29 May 2009 02:44:59 GMT, "hanson" <...@quick.net
<...@gmail.com
"hanson" <...@quick.net--"Re: Why is Nuclear bomb so difficult to make?"--
Guys, for info on nukes, google/groups for [ Carey.Sublette ]
The dude's posts & websites are worth 2 semesters in nuke
engineering...
The account reads like a fairy tale.
... ahahahaha... Right!, if you mean by "account" the historic tales
of the U235 enrichment development, but IIRC Sublette's "account"
is almost exclusively technical with little reference to histories that
were memorable to me.
I addressed Blu Rajah's question about his term "multipole" which, as
he gives me the impression is, that Rajah refers to the simultaneous
explosion ignition over the entrire RDX sphere to compress the
Pu239 Ball which needs a uniform shock front to initiate & propagate
fission, which was already commented on by poster PD(?).
You, KW, on the other hand, are discussing history of the enrichment
technology of U235 from natural Uranium ore and you suggest that
the Germans had successfully done so already in the 1930's....
... Interesting...
When the enriched material were required, they would just
miraculously appear on the spot. It is smeared with typical
signatures of Einstein Dingleberries to cover up crap that they
had produced. <shrugThe clowns of the Manhattan Project had already given up on centrifuge
technology. That is to give them the benefit of doubt to their own
claim. The gas diffusion was also canned in favor of electromagnetic
separation, and yet the article continued to claim the benefit of gas
diffusion. The whole $hit just does not add up just like relativity.
---------------------- Facts are: --------------------
** The allied won the war.
** Nuclear weapons were deployed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki kill
hundreds of thousands of civilians and tens of thousands of allied
POWs.
** The Americans were the first to produce these atomic bombs to do
all these horrendous but unnecessary killings.
---------------------- Myths are: -----------------
** The clowns in the Manhattan Project at Los Alamos enriched the
necessary uranium through electromagnetic separation. ==[1]==
This will take a long time beyond the life span of a human to achieve
even critical mass. That is why it is never utilized in modern-day
enrichment program.
--------------- Reconstructed facts are: -------------------
** Hartecks centrifuge technology allowed Germany to enrich uranium
to adequate weapon-ready levels.
** Heisenberg was coerced to say whatever crap to fool the Russians
== [2]== that the atomic weapon was totally developed by the Americans
alone.
Thus, the Americans were not obliged to share the uranium-enrichment
technology with the world according to (I think it was) the Yalta
Conference.
I have never had the need to delve deeply into the history of the U235
enrichment, but your tripe above is entirely plausible. But, whether all
of it is "true", meaning "as it actually happened" or how much of it is
inferred, conjectured, "logically" deduced, or out-right made up, I
just don't know.
So, now that you have tickled my fancy, I took a cursory look into
published materials that mentions Harteck. Look at the time lime:
in --- http://tinyurl.com/lgdoxa -- 1966, David Irving writes about the
"dismantling the Haigerloch Atomic pile in April 1945"... That is
one full generation after the event... "..
----------- The kid is re-telling daddy's war stories" -----------
and in --- http://tinyurl.com/n6fv9w -- on about 1989/1991, Mark Walker,
writes about the same subject, in yet another litany... That is TWO full
generations after it happened... like
------------ The grandson explaining the war to his cronies ---------
----- from the tales that Grandpa bragged about... ahahaha... ----
Then after yet a another generation has come & gone widespread
and general pontification, pharisee-ing and fabulation sets in like
in --- http://tinyurl.com/m8c7w3 -- on March 12, 2004 -- wherein
Gentian Rrudho writes a British version about the same tripe, only
to be followed by hordes and hordes of opining internet bloggers...
in --- http://tinyurl.com/n2gcn8 --- on 7 June 2005, wherein Simon G.
& Jeremy Bernstein, in --- http://tinyurl.com/lafjro --- on May 25, 2006,
do surface and perform their standard Yiddisher street corner acts,
all the way to the present in -- http://tinyurl.com/mqlnrt -- on Jan 05,
08 to Jan 29, 2009, wherein they produce evermore louder notions
about evermore distant & fainter echoes out of the past... ahahahaha...
I already said in my previous post: ... ...nothing new is noticeable in
these current or recent account/retold stories that was not already
known in the 1930's, when & where it was measured with protocols
and tools which are archaic by today's standards... ...ahahaha...
Also, be keenly aware of that in any such historic endeavor scores &
hordes of me-too-inventors and cons do surface attempting to nuzzle
into the circle to get post-game fame.... So, by now you'll will never get
to know with full certainty of who did what first. Too much shit has been
smeared over it. ... & people love to talk about shit, from religious crap
all the way down to Einstein's Dingleberries, with stories about events
which makes the originally banal happening assume truly mystical
proportions...
It's just like with the incessant & constant stealing of land that was first
relabeled as "settlement" and which Netanyahu now refers to, without
shame nor hesitation, as "the natural growth of Israel"... AHAHAHA....
ahahahaha... ahahahaha... So in what you hear & read ... and in what
is and was... there is usually a chasm of truly mystical proportions
Thanks for the laughs, dude... ahahahahaha... ahahahahanson
ref to your remark in ==[1]== above, about Los Alamos U235 tech:
.... and [next]... about 7 more pages in:
http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/establishing_los_alamos.htm
& what you probably referred to as "The account reads like a fairy tale":
http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/events.htm
ref to your remark ==[2]== above, about "fooling the Russians", a
comment by poster uncle rect-Al Schwartz deserves mention.
rect-Al often and proudly posts that "The Manhattan Project had
more Jews/m^2 than Auschwitz" but rect-Al conveniently leaves
out that "The Manhattan Project had more Jews/m^2 than any
other group of workers who were traitors to the USA, who spied
and sold their country out to the Soviet Russians"... ahahaha...
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 07:00:47 -0700 (PDT), jc <...@yahoo.com
True, but that can be part of a "peaceful" reactor program, as
(technically) allowed by the NNPT, so it can in principle
be purchased from other states. I should have said
that "easy" meant in the context of a reasonably
sophisticated technological power, not a bunch of guys
living in a cave.
Desperate to find something that would work, the US
pursued both concepts. They also briefly considered
other things, like Thorium and U233.
Hardly a "joke". They made enough
U235 to destroy Hiroshima. They were so confident
it would work (and so worried about wasting
materiel) that they never even tested it. It would have
taken quite a while to make another using the
techniques available at the time.
The Nagasaki bomb used PU239, like the bomb
tested at Trinity. I believe they could have
produced these at the rate of about 1/month
at the end of the war.
Of course, capacity for both types went up
dramatically shortly thereafter.
You should really not talk about things you don't understand.
Pu239 can only be made in in quantity in a reactor. Since
the Germans had not yet made a working reactor, they
couldn't very well make Plutonium, could they?
Huh?! Now you're just running off the rails. The German bomb
program was going nowhere fast. A crucial miscalculation
(which Heisenberg tried to argue he made on purpose) led them
to believe that a critical mass was about a metric ton,
which led their efforts in a totally wrong direction.
When captured, the Germans were working on their first
atomic pile. Because of their miscalculations, it
would probably have killed everyone on the area
if they had gotten around to starting it.
-jc
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 01:36:58 GMT, Odysseus <...@yahoo-dot.ca
In article
<...@v2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com jc <...@yahoo.com
<snip
ISTR reading somewhere that they also had serious problems with their
graphite control rods, later determined to have been caused by
contamination with boron, which drastically changed the material's
neutron-absorbing properties.
--
Odysseus
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 20:49:02 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse <...@gmail.com
On May 27, 5:36 pm, Odysseus <...@yahoo-dot.ca
....and having the wrong scattering cross section for Uranium didn't
help.
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Anonymous Wrote:
On May 27, 8:49 pm, Eric Gisse <...@gmail.com
Hmmm... These engineering problems can easily be corrected over
time. The very first step is to enrich uranium. The only viable
method available to these pioneers of atomic engineers was the
centrifuge. The Americans did not have it, but the Germans did.
<shrug
... and the scattered mind of a college dropout certain would have
great fallout on the scatterness of his very scattered intellects.
<shrug>
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Anonymous Wrote:
On May 27, 7:00 am, jc <...@yahoo.com
During WWII, where are you going to buy U235 from to produce Pu239
from U238?
During WWII, the only way to get to Pu239 was through U235 which
needed to be enriched from U238. <shrug
Desperate while the war was about to be won?
There is no doubt the clowns of the Manhattan Project considered a lot
of things just never the centrifuge technology to enrich U235 from
U238. <shrug
There is no way to produce U235 without the centrifuge technology at
the infancy of the atomic program. The U235 that destroyed Hiroshima
unnecessarily cannot have originated from the clowns at Los Alamo.
<shrug
If it did not work, who cared? I am sure the victims of Hiroshima
would prefer it that way. <shrug
The material in the initial three bombs including Trinity came from
the 60 tons of enriched or semi-enriched Uranium flown back to the US
from Germany in June of 1945.
Once the centrifuge technology was disclosed, the production went up.
<shrug
You might be right about the Germans not have produced Pu239, but they
certainly have U238 at hand.
You still have not connected the dot. Without centrifuge technology,
there is no U235 and no Pu239. The clowns at Los Alamo did not have
the centrifuge technology. Centrifuge technology was developed by
Harteck as a member of the German atomic development program. <shrug
This miscalculation bull$hit is a propaganda for the US to grab the
German technology without sharing it with the Russians after it was
agreed upon by the allies to share German technology equally amount
themselves. <shrug
In the meantime, try to connect the dots. <shrug>
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 12:36:22 -0700 (PDT), jc <...@yahoo.com
Next time, would you please be polite enough to
say up front you're a conspiracy kook before
I waste time replying to you.
-jc
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Anonymous Wrote:
I am much a better detective than you will ever be. I can spot lies
miles away. Logical deductions and scientific methods are all I have
implemented to do so. So, don’t be jealous of me if you remain ever
so under the influence of occult and lies. <shrug
Again, without centrifuge technology, there is no U235 and no Pu239.
The clowns at Los Alamos did not have the centrifuge technology.
Centrifuge technology was developed by Harteck as a member of the
German atomic development program. <shrug
On May 27, 12:36 pm, jc <...@yahoo.com
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 21:20:35 -0700 (PDT), Benj <...@iwaynet.net
Oh right, you are such an atomic genius! Here's a test: please find
your own ass for us; you are allowed to use both hands. I knew you
couldn't do it.
1. gaseous diffusion process.
2. electromagnetic separation.
3. idiot.
4. Thanks Uncle Al, I love your style!
Honestly I am appalled at the display of total ignorance in this
thread. Simple historical facts are mysteries. Simple physics of
Atomic Energy are unknown let alone understood. And myth and
fairytales rife. The facts of the development of the Atomic Bomb are
an amazing story far more interesting than the lies in any novel. That
you guys haven't a clue about any of it is truly disgusting and
frightening given that you all claim interest in science. And I'm not
even grading you down for not knowing where the first uranium bomb was
actually tested.
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Anonymous Wrote:
On May 27, 9:20 pm, Benj <...@iwaynet.net
Hmmm... This sounds so kinky. Is this one of the reality shows in
the making? I will pass on this one. <shrug
> [snipped the rest of nonsense]
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 13:53:32 -0700 (PDT), PD <...@gmail.com
As says any conspiracy nutjob. Well self-stereotyped, there, KW.
Your "logical deductions" are inferences influenced by emotion, not
fact, and you wouldn't know a scientific method if it walked up to you
with a propeller hat and a name tag that said, "Hi, I'm Scientific
Method!". That's precisely the point: you suspect all evidence
gathered by the scientific method to be tainted by lies and
obfuscation. This is not a good start to using scientific methods. It
is, however, a good start to narrowing the choice of antipsychotics to
prescribe.
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Anonymous Wrote:
On May 27, 1:53 pm, PD <...@gmail.com
Hmmm... In reality, there is no such thing as conspiracy. It is
another pun word thrown at opponents in a debate. It is all about the
validity of hypotheses. <shrug
Is the children’s book-writer done with his ranting?
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 07:07:06 -0700 (PDT), jc <...@yahoo.com
On May 27, 3:53 pm, PD <...@gmail.com
OK, I think I've calibrated Mr. Kooboo. I found a
thread on another NG where he tries to argue
that GPS satellites don't use relativity.
Actually, the little "<shrugleads me to believe he may be the infamous
Ken Seto. Am I right?
-jc
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 07:40:15 -0700 (PDT), PD <...@gmail.com
On May 28, 9:07 am, jc <...@yahoo.com
No, actually not. Ken Seto is famous for making statements that do not
make sense from the beginning of the sentence to the end, but his
comments are a little less bile-filled about the physics community.
Seto is a retired chemical engineer who wants a little fame attached
to his family name so his kids will think more highly of him.
KW, on the other hand, exhibits crankiness of the conspiracy cabal
form, where he has a personal disgust with any accolades afforded to
one particular person, and in support of which he is willing to assume
that it's all a massive cover-up to protect this one guy. He's stated
that he's a retired aeronautical engineer, and that engineers do all
the worthwhile work and that physicists do nothing worthwhile.
KW picked up the <shruggesture. Seto picked it up later, because "You are a runt of the
SRians" got to be old and feeble-sounding.
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 11:46:33 -0700 (PDT), jc <...@yahoo.com
On May 28, 9:40 am, PD <...@gmail.com
You're right. On reading more closely, it's pretty obvious he's not
Seto. KW's discussion of GPS is nonsense, but he never
says "clock second"
-jc
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 15:07:30 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse <...@gmail.com
On May 28, 10:46 am, jc <...@yahoo.com
[...]
Seto is merely pathetic, while KW is contemptable and just generally
disgusting.
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Anonymous Wrote:
Ahahaha... This is a whining conversation among three black-eyed dead-
beats with sore butts.
All thanks to Hanson’s research, is there any doubt to what I have
concluded?
Again for these nimble minded,
** The world now use centrifuge to enrich uranium.
** Harteck invented the centrifuge technology.
** Gas diffusion suggested by the clowns at the Manhattan Project was
a joke.
** Electromagnetic separation was a hoax to fool the money-supplying
US government.
However, these clowns at Los Alamos did find a pile of gold fell right
on their laps. After the surrender of Germany, they suddenly found
themselves to 60 tons of enriched uranium all thanks to Harteck’s hard
work. From that, these shameless clowns were able to produce these
bombs to kill innocent civilians and POWs.
Did the German scientists involved in the bomb development really that
sensitive to humanity issues? I strongly doubt it. These guys just
never had a chance to develop techniques to make them work because of
constant allied harassment. After the war, they would say anything to
keep them from going to jails or worst executions. Didn’t they just
witnessed whole bunch of guys were murdered through the Nuremberg
trial cover-up?
When enriched uranium is secured with enough material to make fission
bombs, it is just a matter of time for engineers to work out all the
obstacles to make them work. It only took the clowns at Los Alamos
two months after obtaining enough enriched uranium. Imagine if it
were left to the hands of real professionals like Heisenberg and
Harteck with a stable working environment. <shrug
Here is another kick to the three stooges’ butts. <whack
The three stooges are
** PD the children’s book writer
** Gisse the college dropout, the troll, and the liar
** jc the zealous and very opinionated newcomer
Ahahaha...
If even this small $hit can be covered up, imagine what other $hit can
be covered up. As I said before, there were four great hoaxes in the
20th century:
** Einstein was a nitwit, a plagiarist, and a liar, and yet he is
worshipped as a god today. Ahahaha...
** You fill in the blanks. It is a big hoax where some folks are
still collecting a lot of money.
** The clowns in the Manhattan Project were indeed clowns who were
totally defeated by their adversaries. But due to extreme luck and
due to their adversaries’ ingenuity, they were able to ride
shamelessly on this very undeserved fortune.
** Apollo manned missions were consistent with the radiation received
from the LEO (low earth orbit) where all manned missions have been
confined to. It is absolutely impossible for these astronauts to
achieve what they had done without been blinded traveling through the
Van Allen belts and succumb to radiation sickness beyond the Van Allen
belts.
These Einstein Dingleberries have their faith scattered by these
facts, but yet they still manage to toss out logics and embrace the
crap they were fed with. This situation is ever so similar to folks
with so-called lesser religions that they’ve looked down upon. The
whole thing is totally ridiculous, but it exists in our academics.
Ahahaha...
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On Fri, 29 May 2009 00:44:32 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse <...@gmail.com
[snip]
Ahh, fun are the memories of watching you deny the results of the
sattelite particle counters that disproved your idiocy.
[...]
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On Fri, 29 May 2009 05:54:37 -0700 (PDT), PD <...@gmail.com
Oh my. Coherence now lost.
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On Sat, 30 May 2009 01:55:59 GMT, "hanson" <...@quick.net
AHAHAHA... This one is for the annals of the Usenet!... AHAHAHA
ahahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... since it is the truth, the whole truth
and nothing but the truth, as Professor Q.B. Wubli sees it, in his
-------- ABSOLUTELY SUPERB INSTRUCTIONAL -----------
---- a must-read for Zios, their brain washed goyim serfs -------
-- & mandatory for Einstein Dingleberries whose Rel-shit ------
------- was NOT needed anywhere to make the A-bomb -----
Seto is merely pathetic, while KW is contemptable and just
generally disgusting.
KW <...@gmail.comAhahaha... This is a whining conversation among three
black-eyed dead-beats with sore butts, [eric, PD & jc....].
All thanks to hansons research, [in http://tinyurl.com/n3u3st ],
is there any doubt to what I have concluded?
Again for these nimble minded, [eric, PD & jc....]
== ** The world now uses centrifuge to enrich uranium.
== *** Harteck, [a German], invented the centrifuge technology.
== **** Gas diffusion suggested by the clowns at
the Manhattan Project was a joke.
== ***** Electromagnetic separation was a hoax to fool the
money-supplying US government.
However, these clowns at Los Alamos did find a pile of gold fell right
on their laps. After the surrender of Germany, they suddenly found
themselves to 60 tons of enriched uranium all thanks to Hartecks hard
work. See ref [==1==] below. From that, these shameless clowns were
able to produce these bombs to kill innocent civilians and POWs.
Did the German scientists involved in the bomb development really that
sensitive to humanity issues? I strongly doubt it. These guys just
never had a chance to develop techniques to make them work because of
constant allied harassment. After the war, they would say anything to
keep them from going to jails or worst executions. Didnt they just
witnessed whole bunch of guys were murdered through the Nuremberg
trial cover-up?
When enriched uranium is secured with enough material to make fission
bombs, it is just a matter of time for engineers to work out all the
obstacles to make them work. It only took the clowns at Los Alamos
two months after obtaining enough enriched uranium. Imagine if it
were left to the hands of real professionals like Heisenberg and
Harteck with a stable working environment. <shrugHere is another kick to the three stooges butts. <whackThe three stooges are
--- * PD the childrens book writer
--- ** Gisse the college dropout, the troll, and the liar
--- *** jc the zealous and very opinionated newcomer
Ahahaha... If even this small $hit can be covered up, imagine what
other $hit can be covered up. As I said before, there were four
great hoaxes in the 20th century:
== ** Einstein was a nitwit, a plagiarist, and a liar, and yet he is
worshipped as a god today. Ahahaha...
== ** You fill in the blanks. It is a big hoax where some folks are
still collecting a lot of money.
== ** The clowns in the Manhattan Project were indeed clowns who
were totally defeated by their adversaries. But due to extreme
luck and due to their adversaries ingenuity, they were able to
ride shamelessly on this very undeserved fortune.
== ** Apollo manned missions were consistent with the radiation
received from the LEO (low earth orbit) where all manned missions
have been confined to. It is absolutely impossible for these
astronauts to achieve what they had done without been blinded
traveling through the Van Allen belts and succumb to radiation
sickness beyond the Van Allen belts.
These Einstein Dingleberries have their faith scattered by these
facts, but yet they still manage to toss out logics and embrace the
crap they were fed with. This situation is ever so similar to folks
with so-called lesser religions that theyve looked down upon. The
whole thing is totally ridiculous, but it exists in our academics.
Ahahaha... signed: koob...@gmail.com
Ref ==1==.. (see above):
Declassified reports, true or not, have it that the 1st load of German
U235 fell into American hands in 1940, when the crew from a US
Ship/sub retrieved it (and other intelligence items) from a German
Long Range "Condor" Bomber which was shot down by the Allies
on the Arctic shores at the North tip of Norway on its way to Japan
via the Polar route....
This event was alledgedly initiated & guided by leaks from Admiral
Canaris' Abwehr, a dubious double agent setup, which then also
led, during the next 2-3 years, to the raiding or sinking of German
U-Boats in the Atlantic, notably the U-Boats 234 and U-571, all of
them carrying Uranium destined for Japan.... and then of course
there was the mother load of weapans grade U235 in April 1945
from the allegedly working German atomic pile in Haigerloch.
On orders of the IS or the OSS, the Americans did not bomb
the German Reactor facilities out of commission but the US
sharpies counted on getting the "fruits" of the German labor
and use it against the Japanese... Good intelligence work.
A similar heist was done by the Zios ~ 25 years after WWII
when they stole the entire nuke fuel load from/off a French ship
to start up their own nuke industry in Dimona, Israel. This event
led to their 1st A-bomb, in collaboration with the then Apartheid
South Africa. The device was detonated in 1979, South East off
the cape in/over the Antarctic Ocean & was explained away as
the flash having been a rare atmospheric lighting phenomenon,
known as a "Super Bolt"... ahaha... a great line... ahahahaha...
.. just like today's line that the Israelis' "settlements" on stolen
Pali land are explained away, by Israel's PM Netanyahu, as
repesenting the "Natural Growth of Israel"... hahaha... ahahaha...
KW, shit like this happens all the time. Remember 1974's Howard
Hughes' Glomar Explorer, officially built to scrape up Manganese
MnO2 nodules from the Sea floor when in fact the ship was
a contraption to lift a sunken Soviet Submarine that carried
nuke war heads... ahahaha... Fact and Fiction for the Licken'.
So again, thanks for the laughs... ahahaha.. ahahahahahanson
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Anonymous Wrote:
On May 29, 6:55 pm, "hanson" <...@quick.net
I doubt it if this is true. In 1940, the war was going well for the
Germans. There was no need to share enriched uranium with Japan.
From Norway to Japan, the hapless FW-200 still has to cross a vast
chunk of Siberia. The Russians would most likely not have welcomed
it. Besides that was too early for centrifuge technology, and Canaris
was still not yet virulent. Besides the battle of Britain, he did
most of his damage to the Nazis in the battles of Stalingrad and
Kursk.
These events were more probable. Perhaps, these were where the clowns
at the Los Alamos got their enriched uranium from.
I doubt it if this is the case. The Americans cannot afford to have
the Germans come up with any A-bombs. After all, the technique of
smashing two uranium pieces together was most likely developed by the
Germans in the first place. After all, the Americans were betting
solely on Plutonium where they did not even have any clues to enrich
uranium to get them to Plutonium.
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On Sat, 30 May 2009 06:07:39 GMT, "hanson" <...@quick.net
<...@gmail.comMore people should think and analyze info KW like does.
But most just dangle like Dingleberries and adore the author
and believe whatever they are being told or given to read.
Mais c'est la vie, dude. Kudos to you, KW. --- hanson
On May 29, 6:55 pm, "hanson" <...@quick.net
KW inserted:
I doubt it if this is true. In 1940, the war was going well for the
Germans. There was no need to share enriched uranium with Japan.
From Norway to Japan, the hapless FW-200 still has to cross a vast
chunk of Siberia. The Russians would most likely not have welcomed
it. Besides that was too early for centrifuge technology, and Canaris
was still not yet virulent. Besides the battle of Britain, he did
most of his damage to the Nazis in the battles of Stalingrad and
Kursk.
Maybe, maybe not. Where there is smoke there maybe fire. But
your doubts are well reasoned and to boot the story may have been
issued to boost the moral on the Allied side... ahahaha...
Earlier, hanson continued:
KW inserted:
These events were more probable. Perhaps, these were where the
clowns at the Los Alamos got their enriched uranium from.
hanson continued:
KW inserted:
I doubt it if this is the case. The Americans cannot afford to have
the Germans come up with any A-bombs. After all, the technique of
smashing two uranium pieces together was most likely developed by the
Germans in the first place. After all, the Americans were betting
solely on Plutonium where they did not even have any clues to enrich
uranium to get them to Plutonium.
Who knows. I was not there. So, I cannot vouch for it. But generally
the intelligence services were far better on the Allied side especially
the Limeys', and supremely more devious, then were the Axis powers'.
But then in wars it's ONLY the victor who gets the bragging rights to
tell the story, and report it as he saw it, which makes the truth to be
the victim AGAIN after the war's end... just like the truth fell victim as
the first casualty when the war started...
It's bad enough to lose a war and even worse to start AND lose
a war... with one interesting caveat: Once the Jews were gone from
Germany, the Germans recuperated very fast, had their Wirtschafts
wunder, paid all their reparations and enjoyed a lasting peace for
the last 60 years.... OTOH, the kikes live in an uninterrupted state
of war and mayhem without any peace in sight for the last 60 years
and need US assistance to the tune of $3-7 Billion each year for the
last 60 years. These $$ Billions given to the kikes, are all part of
taxes which are extorted off the tables from poor American families.
---- What did we ever get back from Israel for that? -----
Earlier, hanson continued:
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Anonymous Wrote:
On May 29, 11:07 pm, "hanson" <...@quick.net
Thanks. All it takes is logic deductions and inclinations towards
scientific method. They work wonders. In doing so, they do expose a
lot of lies.
Lack of technological understandings like you and I, the great
historian David Irving still has not figured out that the Americans
could not have enriched uranium to produce these bombs. So far, only
the centrifuge method can do so.
Yes, we can only assert a probability in such case. In 1940, the US
still had not entered the war yet. Arctic region was no-man’s claim.
Neither was I. In fact, if the axis were to win the war, there is no
possibility that I can exist today.
That is debatable. Somehow, Canaris and his ill-cohorts reasoned that
the Nazis must be defeated at the expense of millions of his own
countrymen. That was without any monetary rewards. Although I am not
even 50% happy with the US policies throughout the globe, most of us
would never have done such a thing like Canaris.
Yes, indeed.
As you said, the victors can say whatever they want regarding the
defeated foe. There are indications and facts that showed Hitler did
not start the war. The great historian David Irving probably had
addressed them already.
It helps if a people thrive to better themselves according to Mozi’s
teachings 2,500 years ago in China. Being parasites would not get
anybody anywhere achievable.
Genocide of the Palestinian people, alienations of peoples half a
globe away, my higher taxes, etc.
Uncle Al has been very quiet. What’s up with that? He must have read
our discussions.
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On Fri, 29 May 2009 20:12:14 +0800, "Tom Potter" <...@mailinator.com
"Eric Gisse" <...@gmail.comOn May 28, 10:46 am, jc <...@yahoo.com
[...]
Eric, you seem to be more interested in the posters in sci.physics,
than you are in the posts,
and you seem to have built up a database of the qualities of all the posters.
Unfortunately, as I am interested more in the messages,
than I am in who posted the message,
I have neglected to pay attention to the qualities of all of the posters.
It would be helpful to me, and I am sure others,
if you would post a one line insult/complement for each person in the list below,
so that I, and other folks won't have to make up our own insults/complements
when we interact with these people.
Note that I have entered the data on the posters you analyzed in your post.
A.Real Scient
a_friend
Aaron
AcesLucky
Adam Funk
Agent Smith
ah
Ahmed
Al
Al Klein
Albert
Albert van der Horst
andnothingbut
Androcles
Android
Angle
anonymous
Aratzio
Art Deco
Astro Jetson
Autymn
bartoszszczesny
bd4...@earthlink.ne
ben b
Ben newsam
Bible Believer
Bilge
Bill Habr
Bill Mwme...@bellsouth.ne
Bill Snyder
Black
Black Knight
Bob
Bob Cain
Bob Casanova
bob600
Bret Cahill
Bretts the Baptist
Brian
Brian Fletcher
Brian Gaff
BruceS
Bud
Bud news
Budikka666
Burgerman
BURT
BusyGuy
cactus
Cameron
Cardinal Chunderc
chiron613
Chris McGonnell
Christopher A. Lee
chrisv
cirejcon
cl
Clive
Coin
Coin...@netscape.net
Crank
Crank Hunter
CrankHater
Cris Isham
ctyguy
Cujo
d4
Daedalus
Dan Fox
Dan Krueger
Dan Skunk dansk
Darkwing
darwinist
Dave
Daven
Dave...@nowhere.com
David A. Smith
David DeLaney
Demon Lord of Confusion
Demosthenes
Desertphile
Doc
Doc Smartass
dogsnus
Don Freeman
Don H
don stockbauer
Double-A
Douglas Berry
Douglas Eagleson
Dr. HotSalt
Dudley
Enkidu
Enkiduox
Eric Brzebrze
Eric Gisse
Errol
euroxpoo
explainer
fadeToblack
Ferrous
foolsrushin
francoistremblay
Fred
Fred Hall fkh
G.
G. L. Bradford
Gary
Gary Eickmeier
GeekBoy
gigo448
Glenn Knickerbocker
goozlefotz
Gordon
Gordon
graham
Greywolf
Hammond
hanson
Hatter
Helmut Wabnig
Hexenmeister
Ian Smith
Immortalist
It's
It's a Miracle
J notanymore
J. Horta b
j2
jambaugh
JanPB
jcon
Jean-Paul Turcaud
Jeff_Relf
Jens Tingleff
Jim
Jim Black
JJ
John
John Baker
John Blake
John Christiansen
John Henryj
John Schutkeker jschutke
john_ramsden
JohnM
JohnN
Josef
Josef Matz
jtem01
Kadaitcha
Kain
Kain Hifford
karandash
Kaskir
Ken S. Tuckerdynam
Kevin S. Wilson
kevirwin
kingdoodle
KW ***contemptable ***
L.
L. Raymond
Laurent
Leo
Leo Pardin
Lester
Lester Mosley
Lizz
Lizz Holmans
Loki
Lorrill
Loudermilk
madMental
Mahatana Dicknos
malibu
Mani Deli
Marco Licetti
Marcus Denning
marika
Mark Edwards
Mark K. Bilbo
Mark Martin
Martin
Mart...@etiqa.co.uk
Masked Avenger
Matt Giwer
Matthew L. Martin
Michael Baldwin
Michael Gray
Mich...@ix.netcom.com
Midjis
Mr Baggins
Mret
Mucho Grande
Murf
n3v3r-0n-5und4y
N:dlzc
navi-gater
Nick
nightbat
NoEinstein
Norman Bates
Nosterill
Not Martin Stone
odin
Olrik
opamp
OsherD
Otto Bahn
panamfloyd
Pangur
paranormal
Pastor Kutchie
Paul Buni...@verizon.net
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
Paula
PD
PEER
pekka.virta
Pentcho Valev
Peter Bowditch
Peter J Ross
Phineas T PuddleDuck
Pittsburgh
PJR
platopes
Pmb
Prai Jei
puppet_sock
Pyriform
quibbler
R.L.Measures
rAgAv
Randy A1godless
Randy Poe
Rat-zinger
raving.loonie
Researcher
Richard Tobin
riplin
Robert Weldon
Robibnikoff"
Rocket
Rocket Scientist
Roger
Roger Johansson"roger4
Ronald 'More-More'
Roy L. Fuchs
Roy Schestowitz
Sammybaby
Samuel W. Heywood
Sanity's
Sanity's little helper
Sanny
Schoenfeld
Schornak
Sean sant...@yahoo.com
Seto - ***merely pathetic***
sir.jean-paul.turc
SleepyHeed simo...@hotmail.co.uk
sm00101010
Smil...@Joe.King.com
softrat
Sorcerer
Stephen Knig...@comcast.net
Steve Ralph s
Stew Dean
Strife767
Sue
Sue suzy...@yahoo.com.au
Sven Hesse
Syd M.
tadchem
TeaLady
The Chief Instigator
The Demon Prince of Absurdity
The Ghost In The Machine
The Kat
The Rev Dr Hugh
thorazineshuffle
Tim delaney
Tim Chmielewski
tinplated
TMG
Tom Capizzi
Tom McDonald
Tom Potter
TomGee
Tony Lance
Toupin
Turtoni
Turt...@alt.philosophy
Uncle Al
Uncle Vic
user13
vane...@cox.net
Vigyazat
visual word
Wake
Waketaswak
Wanker
Wiblur the Once
Wizard of Odds
Woodchuck Bill
Wordsmith
xxein
Yang,
Z
Z 1 Y 0 N 3 XZiy...@gmail.com
Zagan
ZenIsWhen
zzbunker
--
Tom Potter
http://tdp1001.spaces.live.com/
http://www.tompotter.us/misc.html
http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm
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On Sat, 30 May 2009 02:42:56 -0400, George Hammond <...@notspam.com
On Fri, 29 May 2009 20:12:14 +0800, "Tom Potter"
<...@mailinator.com
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[Hammond]
Yor kidding Potter...where has noted physicist <Chris Ishambeen posting on Usenet? Lately?
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Anonymous Wrote:
The following treats each “nym” (person) as if it were a usenetPage
― xRanking it the same way Google PageRanks a webpage.
Message-ID's (replies) are the links.
The higher the xRank, more more the nym's being watched.
Although businesses pay good money to get more attention
(to show up at the top) being watched might mean the nym's a clown.
From most to least watched ( Sci.Physics, last 19 days ):
1. 9/ Martian• ― averaging about 9 posts per day
2. 2/ Greg...@MOVEsympatico.ca
3. 29▲ 2/ Sanny• ― made 29 posts
4. 2/ Jeff•Relf ― 2 posts per day; made 30+ posts, the limit.
5. 2/ Moroney•
6. 6/ Yousuf•Khan
7. 13/ Paul•Draper
8. 10▲ 1/ The•...@ix.netcom.com
9. 16/ Sam•...@mchsi.com
10. 7/ Andr...@Hogwarts.physics
11. 15/ h...@..Henry•Wilson•DSc
12. 4/ hans...@quick.net
13. 11▲ 1/ Hard...@gmail.com
14. 4/ Lofty•Goat
15. 13▲ 1/ mich...@aol.com
16. 28▲ 2/ tadc...@comcast.net
17. 14▲ 1/ Bluuuue•Rajah<Bluuuuue@Rajah.
18. 3/ Jim•...@yahoo.com
19. 4/ jim...@specsol.spam.sux.com
20. 6▲ 2/ Mich...@yahoo.com
21. 15▲ 3/ john...@accesscomm.ca
22. 8▲ 1/ Rob•...@verific.com
23. 4▲ 4/ e^x&...@gmail.com
24. 4/ Phil...@fornux.com
25. 4▲ 1/ Rexx...@triple.doom
26. 8▲ Pupp...@hotmail.com
27. 3/ Sue....@yahoo.com.au
28. 4/ Ken•Seto
29. 4/ NoEi...@bellsouth.net
30. 3/ RP&l...@yahoo.com
31. 1▲ Edwa...@jensen.invalid
32. 6▲ 1/ dlzc...@cox.net
33. 5/ VMCM...@gmail.com
34. 5▲ Spil...@verizon.net
35. 11/ jaso...@theblackhole.com
36. 8▲ 1/ Mark...@gmail.com
37. 4/ Klau...@yahoo.com
38. 4/ Uncl...@hate.spam.net
39. 2/ Mich...@gmail.com
40. 3▲ Rich...@yahoo.com
41. 7▲ greg...@gmail.com
42. 5/ Benj...@iwaynet.net
43. 15▲ 4/ Bret...@yahoo.com
44. 6/ Tom•Potter
45. 1▲ jmor...@idirect.com
46. 3/ Jack...@invalid.uk
47. 6/ Brad...@gmail.com
48. 5/ plut...@gmail.com
49. 10▲ 1/ Jan•...@yahoo.com
50. 2/ Paul...@somewhere.no
51. 6▲ 2/ Hayd...@gmail.com
52. 2▲ Chri...@yahoo.com
53. 18▲ 2/ Henr...@insidejob.gov
54. 1▲ no-t...@motz.invalid
55. 3▲ Seam...@live.ca.nospam
56. 2/ Miguel•Rios
57. 17▲ 2/ mitc...@gmail.com
58. 28▲ 2/ Nimo...@gmail.com
59. 27▲ 2/ Heli...@yahoo.com
60. 4▲ Mark...@sonic.net
61. 1▲ 1/ Mike...@mjcoon.+.com
62. 15▲ 5/ Seam...@live.ca.invalid
63. 7▲ jc&l...@yahoo.com
64. 1▲ 1/ as&l...@yahoo.com
65. 16▲ 1/ Giga...@yahoo.co
66. 2/ T•J
67. 5▲ 1/ Jimm...@yahoo.com
68. 9/ mpc7...@gmail.com
69. 1▲ math...@onet.eu
70. 3▲ Xavi...@free.fr.NOSPAM.invalid
71. 2/ G<...@gmail.com
72. 1▲ eins...@gmail.com
73. 20▲ 1/ Darw...@yahoo.com
74. 7▲ john...@accesscomm.ca
75. 3/ doug...@xx.com
76. 10▲ 1/ Mich...@pacbell.net
77. 5▲ jeff...@gmail.com
78. 2/ treBert•
79. 27▲ 2/ Ahme...@welho.com
80. 19▲ 2/ Simo...@spam.spam
81. 1▲ Eric...@uniserve.com
82. 21▲ 1/ koob...@gmail.com
83. 18▲ 1/ Tim•...@invalid.invalid
84. 2▲ Phil...@electrooptical.net
85. 5▲ 1/ Bill...@gmail.com
86. 11▲ 1/ |-|e...@r.c
87. 20▲ 1/ Cwat...@TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com
88. 3/ Y.Po...@gmail.com
89. 22▲ 1/ BURT...@yahoo.com
90. 7▲ 1/ socr...@yahoo.com
91. 14/ Eric•Gisse
92. 26▲ 3/ TKea...@hushmail.com
93. 5▲ 1/ *•US•*
94. 8▲ Bill...@junk.com
95. 3▲ Ange...@att.net
96. 2▲ Guyl...@gmail.com
97. 8▲ 1/ send...@gmail.com
98. 2/ Bruc...@my-deja.com
99. 15▲ 1/ The•...@gmail.com
100. 1▲ 1/ Ed•C...@live.com
101. 25▲ 2/ A•A
102. 9▲ 1/ Mich...@verizon.net
103. 6▲ 1/ Pat•...@daktel.com
104. 1▲ Sche...@gmail.com
105. 2▲ 1/ Neil...@caloricmail.com
106. 1▲ 1/ Bret...@peoplepc.com
107. 2▲ Doct...@mailinator.com
108. 2▲ Adam...@ducksburg.com
109. 1▲ 1/ Stev...@canada.com
110. 3▲ Geor...@mixmaster.it
111. 1▲ Peter•J•Ross
112. 8▲ N:dl...@cox.net
113. 3▲ Phan...@sdf.lonestar.org
114. 7▲ habs...@anony.com(habshi
115. 6▲ Jean...@free.fr
116. 6▲ Don•...@hotmail.com
117. 28▲ 2/ zzbu...@netscape.net
118. 1▲ whit...@ymail.com
119. 8▲ 1/ G.•L...@insightbb.com
120. 1▲ wali...@gmail.com
121. 2/ Ceph...@comcast.net
122. 13▲ 1/ chum...@invalid.com
123. 1▲ TimC...@no.spam.accepted.here-astro.swin.edu.au
124. 21▲ 2/ soll...@gmail.com
125. 3▲ pcar...@volcanomail.com
126. 13▲ 1/ edco...@edconrad.com
127. 4/ Dorn•Strich
128. 4▲ BOfL...@gmail.com
129. 1▲ John...@lycos.com
130. 8▲ 1/ Terr...@hotmail.com
131. 4/ T.•K...@ktcnslt.com
132. 7▲ 1/ fran...@yahoo.com
133. 2▲ hal
134. 1▲ Terr...@hotmail.com
135. 1▲ »Q«&...@gmx.net
136. 10▲ 1/ Uncl...@hotmail.com
137. 3▲ Immo...@yahoo.com
138. 1▲ John...@microsoft.com
139. 4▲ usen...@mantra.com•and/or•www.mantra.com/jai(Dr.•Jai•Maharaj
140. 2▲ The•amorphous•agglomeration•of•fatty•tissues•hot•air•and•hubris•better•known•as• Rush•
141. 1▲ 1/ Sean...@juno.com
142. 1▲ Davi...@mindspring.com
143. 1▲ Dami...@gmail.com
144. 2▲ rom1...@sbcglobal.net
145. 2▲ 1/ Fran...@comcast.net
146. 19▲ 1/ Mark...@yahoo.com
147. 6▲ 1/ Dirk...@gmail.com
148. 2▲ Paul...@hovnanian.com
149. 3▲ qqq_...@q.q
150. 1▲ 1/ Tim•...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us
151. 6▲ Bill...@atown.com
152. 4▲ Tim•...@yahoo.com
153. 4▲ 4/ OneT...@gmail.com
154. 2/ Mart...@gmail.com
155. 1▲ Mark...@gmail.com
156. 6▲ 1/ sir....@neuf.fr
157. 7▲ 1/ knew...@yahoo.com
158. 5▲ Eeyo...@hotmail.com
159. 15▲ 1/ alie...@gmail.com
160. 12▲ 1/ undi...@googlemail.com
161. 3▲ hrub...@odds.stat.purdue.edu(Herman•Rubin
162. 4▲ davi...@chemistry.gatech.edu(David•Bostwick
163. 2▲ Mort...@go.com
164. 1▲ erat...@gmail.com
165. 2▲ dang...@gmail.com
166. 7▲ glir...@aol.com
167. 1▲ .p.j...@see_my_sig_for_address.com
168. 3/ Juan...@canonicalscience.com
169. 1▲ Jon•...@xmission.com
170. 5▲ 1/ gala...@gmail.com
171. 9▲ 1/ Old•...@gmail.com
172. 4▲ 2/ Anta...@swbell.net
173. 3▲ Sir•...@fuzzysys.com
174. 3▲ robe...@yahoo.com
175. 2▲ Uncl...@greenba.com
176. 1▲ Phuk...@gmail.com
177. 4▲ xxei...@gmail.com
178. 1▲ Mr.T<MrT@home
179. 1▲ Ann&...@gmail.com
180. 2▲ Grea...@neuf.fr
181. 2/ Dono...@comcast.net
182. 1▲ Ultr...@yahoo.co.uk
183. 2▲ Davi...@rocketmail.com
184. 2▲ 1/ name...@gmail.com
185. 9▲ 1/ herb...@gmail.com
186. 4▲ 1/ Schi...@hotmail.com
187. 1▲ maxk...@optusnet.com.au
188. 10▲ 1/ Max•...@optusnet.com.au
189. 1▲ Hipu...@roadrunner.com
190. 1▲ ctie...@hotmail.com
191. 5▲ Emoc...@verizon.net
192. 1▲ Brot...@nomail.net
193. 3▲ Amnd...@yahoo.com
194. 10▲ 1/ Daryl•McCullough
195. 1▲ Roge...@adnc.com
196. 2▲ Frit...@spamexpire-200905.rodent.frell.theremailer.net
197. 1▲ grey...@sbcglobal.net
198. 2▲ isw&...@witzend.com
199. 1▲ Terr...@noaddress.com
200. 3▲ 1/ Aeth...@best.net
201. 3▲ Hoof...@yahoo.com
202. 1▲ Surf...@spam.net
203. 7▲ 1/ Scou...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net
204. 5▲ Rust...@yahoo.com
205. 5▲ Orbi...@yahoo.com
206. 1▲ Paul...@guesswhatuia.no
207. 1▲ Ken•...@yahoo.com
208. 1▲ Jean...@rediffmail.com
209. 2▲ Tegi...@gmail.com
210. 14▲ 1/ jmfbahciv<jmfbahciv@aol
211. 1▲ Salm...@sbcglobal.net
212. 16▲ 1/ Pete...@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au
213. 1▲ Lits...@yahoo.com
214. 1▲ fool...@central-london-english.co.uk
215. 6▲ Mist...@gmail.com
216. 2▲ Hatu...@cox.net
217. 9▲ 1/ math...@luukku.com
218. 1▲ Mich...@earthlink.net
219. 1▲ 1/ faud...@gmail.com
220. 2▲ kang...@gmail.com
221. 2▲ Roy•...@work.com
222. 4▲ Dorn...@gmail.com
223. 6▲ Patr...@America.Com
224. 1▲ marc...@gmail.com
225. 3▲ Stra...@flashlight.net
226. 1▲ jmor...@idirect.com
227. 2▲ leon...@gmail.com
228. 6▲ Jack...@gmail.com
229. 2▲ 1/ Odys...@yahoo-dot.ca
230. 3▲ Bob•...@bigpond.com
231. 1▲ hagm...@von-eitzen.de
232. 1▲ Thic...@toronto.com
233. 4▲ 1/ grey...@yahoo.com(Gray•Ghost
234. 1▲ 1/ Ragn...@NOSPAM.com
235. 1▲ Bio•...@FakeAddress.com
236. 6▲ Tom•...@sbcglobal.net
237. 11▲ 11/ The•...@gone.com
238. 1▲ CBFa...@yahoo.com
239. 2▲ parr...@yahoo.com
240. 1▲ 1/ D.•S...@bde-arc.ampr.org
241. 6▲ john...@accesscomm.ca
242. 2▲ Jona...@thistime.net
243. 1▲ Albe...@spenarnc.xs4all.nl
244. 1▲ 1/ Jaba...@hotmail.com
245. 4▲ John...@winona.edu
246. 2▲ Last...@primus.ca
247. 2▲ Mich...@verizon.net
248. 1▲ clan...@dingdong.net
249. 1▲ Ace0...@hotmail.com
250. 5▲ mike...@yahoo.com
251. 9▲ 1/ Sean...@exemail.com.au
252. 4▲ trot...@hushmail.com
253. 2▲ Rock...@yahoo.com
254. 1▲ jaco...@nospam.org
255. 5▲ zook...@yahoo.ca
256. 1▲ Rom•
257. 1▲ Crai...@aol.com
258. 2▲ pant...@gmail.com
259. 1▲ Clif...@verizon.net
260. 1▲ eery...@gmail.com
261. 2▲ Andy...@tesco.net
262. 1▲ 1/ zvik...@gmail.com
263. 1▲ 1/ bruc...@hotmail.com
264. 1▲ Paul...@bellsouth.net
265. 2▲ Edmu...@9M6v2C8l3D4f6H3u1Ot5G.com
266. 25▲ 1/ Oshe...@ca.rr.com
267. 1▲ Dang...@gmail.com
268. 2▲ 1/ Gove...@gmail.com
269. 1▲ Roma...@libero.it
270. 1▲ port...@gmail.com
271. 1▲ lwal...@lausd.net
272. 1▲ 1/ Dave...@sbcglobal.net
273. 1▲ fkas...@sbcglobal.net
274. 1▲ Zinn...@gate.net
275. 3▲ The•...@gmail.com
276. 1▲ Uncl...@rocketmail.com
277. 1▲ Karl...@kleinpaste.org
278. 1▲ Thru...@yahoo.com
279. 16▲ 1/ Crai...@gmail.com
280. 4▲ Stra...@sdf.lonestar.org
281. 1▲ 1/ moll...@gmail.com
282. 1▲ 1/ ro...@trash.whim.org(Rob•Johnson
283. 2▲ Tim•...@little-possums.net
284. 1▲ Anon...@nymu.eu
285. 4▲ old•Coot
286. 1▲ harr...@epfl.ch
287. 5▲ Zerk...@erkonx.net
288. 2▲ Will...@gmail.com
289. 8▲ 1/ Helm...@•.-•---•-.•dotat
290. 1▲ Jess...@phiwumbda.org
291. 4▲ The•...@gone.com
292. 1▲ 1/ St.•...@yahoo.com
293. 9▲ Igor...@excite.com
294. 1▲ bob•...@netvigator.com
295. 7▲ 1/ Robe...@yahoo.com
296. 1▲ Herm...@frontiernet.net
297. 1▲ cjco...@yahoo.com
298. 1▲ Bret...@aol.com
299. 1▲ 1/ Amer...@comcast.net
300. 2▲ L•Al...@xxgmail.com
301. 8▲ amor...@xenon.Stanford.EDU(Alan•Morgan
302. 1▲ Kunt...@gmail.com
303. 1▲ Free...@once.net
304. 1▲ srp2...@gmail.com
305. 2▲ Zaga...@somewhere.org
306. 7▲ 1/ Dirk...@nospAm.hotmail.com
307. 3▲ chaz...@yahoo.com
308. 1▲ Toni...@yahoo.com
309. 1▲ fish...@your-mailbox.com
310. 1▲ se...@sig.for.address(Victor•Eijkhout
311. 3▲ Edmu...@v2C8l3D4f6H3u1Ot5G2x7.com
312. 1▲ ms.s...@gmail.com
313. 1▲ Pete...@AT.frankenexpress.de
314. 1▲ Char...@SPAMTRAP.west.net
315. 1▲ 1/ Bill...@worldnet.att.net
316. 2▲ 2/ disg...@yahoo.co.uk
317. 5▲ Rod•...@gmail.com
318. 3▲ 3/ Mart...@gmail.com
319. 1▲ 1/ Dwib...@gmail.com
320. 1▲ 1/ Loua...@yahoo.com
321. 1▲ 1/ kunz...@atlas.cz
322. 1▲ 1/ kT&l...@lifeform.org
323. 3▲ 3/ chaz...@yahoo.com
324. 1▲ 1/ HIPA...@verizon.net
325. 1▲ 1/ Zura...@yahoo.com
326. 4▲ 2/ s.a....@comcast.net
327. 1▲ 1/ Mike...@comcast.net
328. 7▲ 1/ seal...@gmail.com
329. 1▲ 1/ Miss...@gmail.com
330. 1▲ 1/ 7<...@www.enemygadgets.com
331. 1▲ 1/ Rotw...@hotmail.co.uk
332. 13▲ 1/ solu...@hotmail.com
333. 1▲ 1/ Daef...@gmail.com
334. 1▲ 1/ Dave...@Juno.com
335. 1▲ 1/ Huan...@yahoo.com
336. 1▲ 1/ AGG&...@Corn-on-the-Cobbs.ac
337. 1▲ 1/ Bill...@megabucks.com
338. 1▲ 1/ Clav...@cablespeed.com
339. 1▲ harm...@hotmail.com
340. 1▲ af25...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA(John•Park
341. 1▲ Poet...@Talk-n-Dog..com
342. 2▲ 1/ Dime...@sonic.net
343. 1▲ John...@sbcglobal.net
344. 1▲ MalK...@hotmail.com
345. 1▲ name...@gmail.com
346. 1▲ rich...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk(Richard•Tobin
347. 4▲ J.H....@xs4all.nl
348. 1▲ SaPe...@HotMail.com
349. 1▲ Timo...@physics.uq.edu.au
350. 1▲ r•wi...@southslope.net
351. 1▲ mL&l...@elsewhere.xxx
352. 2▲ Ray•...@shaw.ca
353. 6▲ Stud...@gmail.com
354. 1▲ Hey•...@yahoo.com
355. 4▲ The•...@invalid.invalid
356. 1▲ José...@fc.up.pt
357. 1▲ Robe...@bellsouthNOSPAM.net
358. 1▲ JEMe...@xs4all.nl
359. 1▲ A•No...@nowhere.com
360. 2▲ z<...@snail-mail.net
361. 2▲ bon...@rocketmail.com
362. 2▲ Matt...@earthlink.net
363. 6▲ Mens...@aol.com
364. 1▲ oogi...@yahoo.com(Oogie
365. 1▲ John...@rochester.rr.com
366. 1▲ scho...@gmail.com
367. 1▲ Anth...@telus.net
368. 1▲ Dick...@ymail.com
369. 1▲ marc...@yahoo.com
370. 1▲ Stev...@hotmail.com
371. 1▲ extr...@hotmail.com
372. 3▲ Haga...@sahm.name
373. 1▲ opti...@gmail.com
374. 1▲ Bill...@airmail.net
375. 1▲ ster...@gmail.com
376. 1▲ I•R•...@invalid.invalid
377. 3▲ jem&...@xxx.xxx
378. 1▲ jesk...@gmail.com
379. 1▲ Joro...@abv.bg
380. 1▲ Bob•...@nethere.com
381. 1▲ Mahi...@gmail.com
382. 2▲ edit...@netpath.net
383. 1▲ Eric...@P5d9M6v2C8l3D4f6H3u1O.com
384. 1▲ Lump...@digitalcartography.com
385. 1▲ Slim...@pickins.com
386. 1▲ glha...@indiana.edu
387. 1▲ Badg...@hotmail.com
388. 1▲ Garr...@gmail.com
389. 1▲ Herb...@cox.net
390. 1▲ inf...@central-london-english.co.uk
391. 1▲ Ian•...@tpg.com.au
392. 1▲ Marc•Mertens<marc.mertense@nospam
393. 3▲ gaby...@gmail.com
394. 1▲ Mike...@hotmail.com
395. 1▲ Jens...@nowhere.org
396. 1▲ db...@gatekeeper.vic.com(David•DeLaney
397. 1▲ Ron•...@ronjones.org.uk
398. 1▲ Edmu...@M6v2C8l3D4f6H3u1Ot5G2.com
399. 1▲ Edmu...@6v2C8l3D4f6H3u1Ot5G2x.com
400. 1▲ Ryan...@gmail.com
401. 1▲ mimu...@hotmail.com
402. 3▲ pv+u...@pobox.com(PV
403. 2▲ thro...@sheol.org(Wayne•Throop
404. 1▲ Fred...@gmail.com
405. 1▲ Tim....@redbridge.gov.uk
406. 2▲ Mark...@yahoo.com
407. 1▲ qart...@a51.mi1
408. 1▲ OM&l...@sci.space.history
409. 1▲ Mart...@my.place
410. 1▲ Davi...@tribble.com
411. 1▲ Dann...@nospam.com
412. 1▲ Day•...@gmail.com
413. 3▲ AllY...@conversent.net
414. 2▲ Morp...@yahoo.com
415. 1▲ Rich...@verizon.net
416. 1▲ What...@fool.ami
417. 1▲ AZ•N...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM
418. 1▲ marc...@casual.com
419. 1▲ dida...@yahoo.com
420. 1▲ Mark...@nowhere.com
421. 1▲ Alan...@bigpond.com
422. 1▲ Dr•I...@brunel.ac.uk
423. 1▲ Z<...@BearHoller.net
424. 1▲ Bork...@pseudo.borked.net
425. 1▲ Cybe...@remailer.cyberiade.it
426. 1▲ Anon...@awxcnx.de
427. 3▲ stja...@googlemail.com
428. 1▲ shri...@gmail.com
429. 1▲ Just...@gmail.com
430. 1▲ rich...@gmail.com
431. 2▲ gusk...@hotmail.com
432. 1▲ Bert...@iphouse.com
433. 1▲ Omni...@hotmail.com
434. 2▲ oldo...@gmail.com
435. 3▲ Virg...@comcast.net
436. 1▲ Batr...@count.com
437. 1▲ JSH&...@gmail.com
438. 2▲ harr...@virgin.net
439. 1▲ Albe...@gmail.com
440. 1▲ Enri...@aol.com
441. 1▲ usma...@gmail.com
442. 3▲ John...@droffats.ten
443. 3▲ gusk...@hotmail.com
444. 1▲ turt...@fastmail.net
445. 1▲ John...@aol.com
446. 1▲ Jang...@chol.com
447. 2▲ Joe•...@mail.dk
448. 2▲ prod...@prodos.com
449. 2▲ john...@accesscomm.ca
450. 2▲ calv...@windstream.net
451. 1▲ jell...@yahoo.com
452. 1▲ John...@bizniz.net
453. 1▲ john...@yahoo.com
454. 1▲ mste...@walkabout.empros.com(Michael•Stemper
455. 1▲ eagl...@yahoo.com
456. 1▲ rabb...@my-deja.com
457. 1▲ OG&l...@gwynnefamily.org.uk
458. 1▲ Ken&...@aol.com
459. 1▲ Speh...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat
460. 1▲ Davi...@aol.com
461. 1▲ gb1j...@gmail.com
462. 1▲ dora...@optusnet.com.au
463. 1▲ Mark...@blartco.co.uk
464. 1▲ Earl...@comcast.net
465. 1▲ Abbe...@castlefrankenstein.org
466. 1▲ Edmu...@2C8l3D4f6H3u1Ot5G2x7N.com
467. 1▲ Edmu...@C8l3D4f6H3u1Ot5G2x7N9.com
468. 1▲ Edmu...@1K9h4Y3a3B2p5Q2x6R8c7K3.com
469. 1▲ Carl...@invalid.com
470. 1▲ carl...@physics.ucdavis.edu
471. 1▲ Indu...@hotmail.com
472. 1▲ Sjou...@ppllaanneett.nnll
473. 1▲ Rich...@example.net
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On Fri, 29 May 2009 19:32:09 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse <...@gmail.com
[snip all]
Have you noticed that in all the years you have been babbling about
your shitty newsreader that not once has anyone ever encouraged you to
keep doing so?
Why do you persist?
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Anonymous Wrote:
Eric Gisse <...@gmail.com
Not to mention why he thinks anyone is interested in whom he watches,
much less the order. He makes a good kookbaiting target, however.
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On Fri, 29 May 2009 23:48:34 -0700 (PDT), Sanny <...@hotmail.com
From where you get this details?
I want to know simmilar statistics about other people. Have you
subscribed to some forum?
Please send a link for that.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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On Fri, 29 May 2009 13:37:14 -0700 (PDT), Eric Gisse <...@gmail.com
On May 29, 4:12 am, "Tom Potter" <...@mailinator.com
Which is why I'll write a long response to you insanity.
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