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On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:12:26 -0800 (PST), Yer Pal Al <...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 4, 9:15 am, "Hussein Obama" <...@aol.com> wrote:
Ask Tough Questions? Yes, They Can!
By Dana Milbank
Tuesday, March 4, 2008; A02
SAN ANTONIO It took many months and the mockery of "Saturday Night Live" t=o
make it happen, but the lumbering beast that is the press corps finally
roused itself from its slumber Monday and greeted Barack Obama with a
menacing growl.
The day before primaries in Ohio and Texas that could effectively seal the
Democratic presidential nomination for him, a smiling Obama strode out to =a
news conference at a veterans facility here. But the grin was quickly
replaced by the surprised look of a man bitten by his own dog.
Reporters from the Associated Press and Reuters went after him for his fal=se
denial that a campaign aide had held a secret meeting with Canadian
officials over Obama's trade policy. A trio of Chicago reporters pummeled
him with questions about the corruption trial this week of a friend and
supporter. The New York Post piled on with a question about him losing the
Jewish vote.
Obama responded with the classic phrases of a politician in trouble. "That
was the information that I had at the time. . . . Those charges are
completely unrelated to me. . . . I have said that that was a mistake. . .= .
The fact pattern remains unchanged."
When those failed, Obama tried another approach. "We're running late," the
candidate said, and then he disappeared behind a curtain.
Before he beat his hasty retreat, however, Obama found time to assign blam=e
for the tough questions suddenly coming his way. "The Clinton campaign has
been true to its word in employing a 'kitchen sink' strategy," he proteste=d.
"There are, what, three or four things a day?"
Spoken like a man who had just been hit on the head with a heavy piece of
porcelain.
Obama may be the front-runner in the race for the Democratic presidential
nomination, but to a large extent Hillary Clinton is setting the terms of
the debate in the final days before Tuesday's crucial primaries. If Clinto=n
doesn't win both states, even her closest advisers have said she'll face
pressure to pull out of the race -- and yet, for the first time in months,
she seems to have put Obama on the defensive.
First came her ringing-phone ad last week: "It's 3 a.m., and your children
are safely asleep. Who do you want answering the phone?" Then the Clinton
campaign trumpeted the acknowledgment that a top Obama aide had discussed
NAFTA with a Canadian official -- contradicting adamant denials by Obama a=nd
his underlings. Add to that the opening of the trial in Chicago for Obama
pal Tony Rezko, and Obama had lost any hope of controlling the theme of th=e
day.
Even the much-mocked Clinton assertion that she offers "solutions" instead
of Obama's "speeches" appears to have spooked him into a change in tactics=.
The candidate has largely disarmed himself of the mass rallies that have
been the high points of his campaign in favor of small and sober town hall
forums.
And so, Obama found himself in San Antonio on Monday, presenting a small
group of veterans with a collection of small-bore policies that sounded
downright Clintonian. "I led a bipartisan effort to improve outpatient
facilities. . . . I passed legislation to get family members health care
while they're caring for injured troops. . . . I've introduced legislation
to make sure each service member receives electronic copies of their medic=al
and service records upon discharge."
The modest proposals were met with modest applause.
For 40 slow minutes, Obama delivered his policy prescriptions and answered
questions from the veterans. "I want the budgets to come in on time!" he
told one questioner. He pledged to another his support for SR 1838, a new =VA
facility in the Rio Grande Valley. He told a third questioner about his pl=an
for a $4,000 tuition credit. And the great orator found himself proclaimin=g
that "it makes sense to have transferability."
Whatever. Reporters, at tables in the back of the room, answered e-mails a=nd
read newspapers. Obama, by making no news in his speech, had left them
plenty of time to plot their ambush -- executed minutes later to the obvio=us
surprise of the candidate.
"I don't have any preliminary statement," Obama said as he began his news
conference, encouraging reporters to "just dive in." That was a mistake.
Tom Raum of the Associated Press led off with a question about whether an
Obama aide had told Canadians not to take seriously the candidate's public
rhetoric critical of the NAFTA trade agreement. "Let me, let me, let me, l=et
me just be absolutely clear what happened," Obama answered, explaining tha=t
the meeting was a "courtesy" and involved no "winks and nods."
Then an agitator -- columnist Carol Marin with the Chicago Sun-Times -- =A0
broke in. Marin, a visitor to the Obama entourage who accused the regulars
of being too "quiet," accused the candidate of concealing details about
fundraisers Rezko had for him and a real estate transaction between the tw=o.
"I don't think it's fair to suggest somehow that we've been trying to hide
the ball on this," Obama answered. But this only provoked a noisy
back-and-forth between Marin, Sun-Times colleague Lynn Sweet and Michael
Flannery from Chicago's CBS affiliate. "How many fundraisers? . . . Who wa=s
there? . . . Disclosure of the closing documents?"
Obama, while repeating his formulation that it was "a boneheaded move" to =do
business with Rezko, tried to shut down the requests for more information.
"These requests, I think, could just go on forever," he said. "At some
point, what we need to try to do is respond to what's pertinent."
Reporters, however, had a different idea of what was pertinent, and the
questions about Rezko, NAFTA and other unpleasant subjects continued to
come. An aide called out "last question," and Obama made his move for the
exit -- only for reporters to shout after him in protest. "C'mon, guys," h=e
pleaded. "I just answered, like, eight questions."
The questioning, however, has only just begun.
I'd like them to ask more about his racist church and their
affiliation with Farfakahn.
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:41:22 -0800, "Titix" <...@spamfree.com> wrote:
"Hussein Obama" <...@aol.com> wrote in message
news...@roadrunner.com...
Ask Tough Questions? Yes, They Can!
By Dana Milbank
Tuesday, March 4, 2008; A02
SAN ANTONIO It took many months and the mockery of "Saturday Night Live"to
make it happen, but the lumbering beast that is the press corps finally
roused itself from its slumber Monday and greeted Barack Obama with a
menacing growl.
Judging from your handle, anything you post might be taken as a vomit from
an insecured racist. You can post all the crap you want, it wouldn't do you
any
good.
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:24:16 GMT, Bob Harrington <...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Titix" <...@spamfree.com> wrote in
news...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com:
"Hussein Obama" <...@aol.com> wrote in message
news...@roadrunner.com...
Ask Tough Questions? Yes, They Can!
By Dana Milbank
Tuesday, March 4, 2008; A02
SAN ANTONIO It took many months and the mockery of "Saturday Night
Live"
to
make it happen, but the lumbering beast that is the press corps
finally roused itself from its slumber Monday and greeted Barack
Obama with a menacing growl.
Judging from your handle, anything you post might be taken as a vomit
from an insecured racist. You can post all the crap you want, it
wouldn't do you any
good.
Nice response.
For an ostrich...
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On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:45:06 GMT, Matt Helm <...@roast.er> wrote:
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:41:22 -0800, "Titix" <...@spamfree.com>
mumbled:
anything you post might be taken as a vomit
69.230.116.227 = [ ppp-69-230-116-227.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net ]
Suckremento, Ca.
38.5803
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OrgName: AT&T Internet Services
OrgID: SIS-80
Address: 2701 N. Central Expwy 2205.15
City: Richardson
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 75080
Country: US
NetRange: 69.224.0.0 - 69.239.255.255
CIDR: 69.224.0.0/12
NetName: SBCIS-SIS80
NetHandle: NET-69-224-0-0-1
Parent: NET-69-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.PBI.NET
NameServer: NS2.PBI.NET
Comment: Contact IPAd...@sbcis.sbc.com
for general IP support.
Comment: Contact supp...@pacbell.net
for technical support issues.
Comment: Contact abus...@pacbell.net
for policy abuse issues.
RegDate: 2004-02-18
Updated: 2007-05-25
RTechHandle: PIA2-ORG-ARIN
RTechName: IPAdmin-PBI
RTechPhone: 1-800-648-1626
RTechEmail: IPAd...@sbcis.sbc.com
OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE6-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse - Southwestern Bell Internet
OrgAbusePhone: 1-800-648-1626
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On 05 Mar 2008 00:00:00 GMT, Amanda Williams <...@fu.com> wrote:
Matt Helm <...@roast.er> allegedly said in
news...@4ax.com:
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:41:22 -0800, "Titix" <...@spamfree.com>
mumbled:
anything you post might be taken as a vomit
69.230.116.227 = [ ppp-69-230-116-227.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net ]
Suckremento, Ca.
38.5803
-121.4790
OrgName: AT&T Internet Services
OrgID: SIS-80
Address: 2701 N. Central Expwy 2205.15
City: Richardson
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 75080
Country: US
NetRange: 69.224.0.0 - 69.239.255.255
CIDR: 69.224.0.0/12
NetName: SBCIS-SIS80
NetHandle: NET-69-224-0-0-1
Parent: NET-69-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.PBI.NET
NameServer: NS2.PBI.NET
Comment: Contact IPAd...@sbcis.sbc.com
for general IP support.
Comment: Contact supp...@pacbell.net
for technical support issues.
Comment: Contact abus...@pacbell.net
for policy abuse issues.
RegDate: 2004-02-18
Updated: 2007-05-25
RTechHandle: PIA2-ORG-ARIN
RTechName: IPAdmin-PBI
RTechPhone: 1-800-648-1626
RTechEmail: IPAd...@sbcis.sbc.com
OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE6-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse - Southwestern Bell Internet
OrgAbusePhone: 1-800-648-1626
OrgAbuseEmail: abus...@sbcglobal.net
WTF?
You run an IP addy through WhoIs...
rotfl...
Are we supposed to be IMPRESSED or something ???
Fucking typical reichtard n00b ....
--
AW
<small but dangerous>
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:10:03 GMT, Matt Helm <...@roast.er> wrote:
On 05 Mar 2008 00:00:00 GMT, Amanda Williams <...@fu.com> mumbled:
Are we supposed to be IMPRESSED or something ???
63.218.45.252 =
OrgName: Beyond The Network America Inc.
OrgID: BNA-42
Address: 450 Springpark PL
Address: Suite 100
City: Herdon
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20170
Country: US
NetRange: 63.216.0.0 - 63.223.255.255
CIDR: 63.216.0.0/13
NetName: BTN-CIDR5
NetHandle: NET-63-216-0-0-1
Parent: NET-63-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS.CAIS.COM
NameServer: NS2.CAIS.COM
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 1999-12-09
Updated: 2004-11-12
OrgAbuseHandle: PAD13-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: PCCW AUP Department
OrgAbusePhone: 1-703-621-1637
OrgAbuseEmail: prob...@pccwglobal.com
OrgNOCHandle: NOC1582-ARIN
OrgNOCName: NOC
OrgNOCPhone: 1-703-621-1637
OrgNOCEmail: supp...@btnaccess.com
OrgTechHandle: CDO54-ARIN
OrgTechName: Downes Chris
OrgTechPhone: 1-703-621-3195
OrgTechEmail: cdow...@pccwglobal.com
CustName: Newshosting
Address: 807 W Morse Blvd
Address: Suite 101
City: Winter Park
StateProv: FL
PostalCode: 32789
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Updated: 2006-10-19
NetRange: 63.218.45.0 - 63.218.45.255
CIDR: 63.218.45.0/24
NetName: NHBTN01
NetHandle: NET-63-218-45-0-1
Parent: NET-63-216-0-0-1
NetType: Reassigned
Comment:
RegDate: 2006-10-19
Updated: 2006-10-19
OrgAbuseHandle: PAD13-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: PCCW AUP Department
OrgAbusePhone: 1-703-621-1637
OrgAbuseEmail: prob...@pccwglobal.com
OrgNOCHandle: NOC1582-ARIN
OrgNOCName: NOC
OrgNOCPhone: 1-703-621-1637
OrgNOCEmail: supp...@btnaccess.com
OrgTechHandle: CDO54-ARIN
OrgTechName: Downes Chris
OrgTechPhone: 1-703-621-3195
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On 05 Mar 2008 12:48:37 GMT, Amanda Williams <...@fu.com> wrote:
Matt Helm <...@roast.er> allegedly said in
news...@4ax.com:
On 05 Mar 2008 00:00:00 GMT, Amanda Williams <...@fu.com> mumbled:
Are we supposed to be IMPRESSED or something ???
63.218.45.252 =
WOW !!!!
Now THAT is REALLY IMPRESSIVE... did you get your mommy to help you ????
That "cut n' paste" stuff can be tricky.
<snicker>
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AW
<small but dangerous>
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On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:36:50 -0500, Name Stolen <...@papernapkin.net> wrote:
Hussein Obama wrote:
Ask Tough Questions? Yes, They Can!
By Dana Milbank
Tuesday, March 4, 2008; A02
SAN ANTONIO It took many months and the mockery of "Saturday Night Live" to
make it happen, but the lumbering beast that is the press corps finally
roused itself from its slumber Monday and greeted Barack Obama with a
menacing growl.
The day before primaries in Ohio and Texas that could effectively seal the
Democratic presidential nomination for him, a smiling Obama strode out to a
news conference at a veterans facility here. But the grin was quickly
replaced by the surprised look of a man bitten by his own dog.
Reporters from the Associated Press and Reuters went after him for his false
denial that a campaign aide had held a secret meeting with Canadian
officials over Obama's trade policy. A trio of Chicago reporters pummeled
him with questions about the corruption trial this week of a friend and
supporter. The New York Post piled on with a question about him losing the
Jewish vote.
Obama responded with the classic phrases of a politician in trouble. "That
was the information that I had at the time. . . . Those charges are
completely unrelated to me. . . . I have said that that was a mistake. . . .
The fact pattern remains unchanged."
When those failed, Obama tried another approach. "We're running late," the
candidate said, and then he disappeared behind a curtain.
Before he beat his hasty retreat, however, Obama found time to assign blame
for the tough questions suddenly coming his way. "The Clinton campaign has
been true to its word in employing a 'kitchen sink' strategy," he protested.
"There are, what, three or four things a day?"
Spoken like a man who had just been hit on the head with a heavy piece of
porcelain.
Obama may be the front-runner in the race for the Democratic presidential
nomination, but to a large extent Hillary Clinton is setting the terms of
the debate in the final days before Tuesday's crucial primaries. If Clinton
doesn't win both states, even her closest advisers have said she'll face
pressure to pull out of the race -- and yet, for the first time in months,
she seems to have put Obama on the defensive.
First came her ringing-phone ad last week: "It's 3 a.m., and your children
are safely asleep. Who do you want answering the phone?" Then the Clinton
campaign trumpeted the acknowledgment that a top Obama aide had discussed
NAFTA with a Canadian official -- contradicting adamant denials by Obama and
his underlings. Add to that the opening of the trial in Chicago for Obama
pal Tony Rezko, and Obama had lost any hope of controlling the theme of the
day.
Even the much-mocked Clinton assertion that she offers "solutions" instead
of Obama's "speeches" appears to have spooked him into a change in tactics.
The candidate has largely disarmed himself of the mass rallies that have
been the high points of his campaign in favor of small and sober town hall
forums.
And so, Obama found himself in San Antonio on Monday, presenting a small
group of veterans with a collection of small-bore policies that sounded
downright Clintonian. "I led a bipartisan effort to improve outpatient
facilities. . . . I passed legislation to get family members health care
while they're caring for injured troops. . . . I've introduced legislation
to make sure each service member receives electronic copies of their medical
and service records upon discharge."
The modest proposals were met with modest applause.
For 40 slow minutes, Obama delivered his policy prescriptions and answered
questions from the veterans. "I want the budgets to come in on time!" he
told one questioner. He pledged to another his support for SR 1838, a new VA
facility in the Rio Grande Valley. He told a third questioner about his plan
for a $4,000 tuition credit. And the great orator found himself proclaiming
that "it makes sense to have transferability."
Whatever. Reporters, at tables in the back of the room, answered e-mails and
read newspapers. Obama, by making no news in his speech, had left them
plenty of time to plot their ambush -- executed minutes later to the obvious
surprise of the candidate.
"I don't have any preliminary statement," Obama said as he began his news
conference, encouraging reporters to "just dive in." That was a mistake.
Tom Raum of the Associated Press led off with a question about whether an
Obama aide had told Canadians not to take seriously the candidate's public
rhetoric critical of the NAFTA trade agreement. "Let me, let me, let me, let
me just be absolutely clear what happened," Obama answered, explaining that
the meeting was a "courtesy" and involved no "winks and nods."
Then an agitator -- columnist Carol Marin with the Chicago Sun-Times --
broke in. Marin, a visitor to the Obama entourage who accused the regulars
of being too "quiet," accused the candidate of concealing details about
fundraisers Rezko had for him and a real estate transaction between the two.
"I don't think it's fair to suggest somehow that we've been trying to hide
the ball on this," Obama answered. But this only provoked a noisy
back-and-forth between Marin, Sun-Times colleague Lynn Sweet and Michael
Flannery from Chicago's CBS affiliate. "How many fundraisers? . . . Who was
there? . . . Disclosure of the closing documents?"
Obama, while repeating his formulation that it was "a boneheaded move" to do
business with Rezko, tried to shut down the requests for more information.
"These requests, I think, could just go on forever," he said. "At some
point, what we need to try to do is respond to what's pertinent."
Reporters, however, had a different idea of what was pertinent, and the
questions about Rezko, NAFTA and other unpleasant subjects continued to
come. An aide called out "last question," and Obama made his move for the
exit -- only for reporters to shout after him in protest. "C'mon, guys," he
pleaded. "I just answered, like, eight questions."
The questioning, however, has only just begun.
Typical looney liberal cannot take it when called down.
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:57:02 -0800, "Lattlay Fottfoy" <...@crawford.net> wrote:
"Name Stolen" <...@papernapkin.net> wrote in message
news...@newsfe17.lga...
Typical looney liberal cannot take it when called down.
Like Bush who muzzled the press immediately after his first vacation on
9/12/01?
Man you guys are hypocrites.
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On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:41:28 -0500, Name Stolen <...@papernapkin.net> wrote:
Lattlay Fottfoy wrote:
"Name Stolen" <...@papernapkin.net> wrote in message
news...@newsfe17.lga...
Typical looney liberal cannot take it when called down.
Like Bush who muzzled the press immediately after his first vacation on
9/12/01?
Man you guys are hypocrites.
Bush has nothing to do with this discussion about Obama. You clowns
must realize someday that Bush is a lame duck and cannot do or say
anything after next January.
Now, again, Obama is not able to take it when called down. He cannot
stand to be shown wrong and because of that he will NOT be the leader we
need.
Now, TRY to respond without singing another verse from the old "I HATE
BUSH" song.
I bet you can't do it.
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:31:30 -0800 (PST), MACK DADDY <...@msn.com> wrote:
On Mar 4, 11:41 am, Name Stolen <...@papernapkin.net> wrote:
Lattlay Fottfoy wrote:
> "Name Stolen" <...@papernapkin.net> wrote in message
>...@newsfe17.lga...
>> Typical looney liberal cannot take it when called down.
> Like Bush who muzzled the press immediately after his first vacation on
> 9/12/01?
> Man you guys are hypocrites.
Bush has nothing to do with this discussion about Obama. You clowns
must realize someday that Bush is a lame duck and cannot do or say
anything after next January.
Now, again, Obama is not able to take it when called down. He cannot
stand to be shown wrong and because of that he will NOT be the leader we
need.
Now, TRY to respond without singing another verse from the old "I HATE
BUSH" song.
I bet you can't do it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I wont even try, because there are so many reasons to hate Bush, first
and foremost because he caused 9/11 to happen, and then he took a
vacation while he send troops over to Iraq to die for oil to fill gas
tanks on Republitards Hummers. Who cares if Bush is a lame duck? WE
still must call him out and punish him for his crimes. You
Republitards still bitch and moan about Clinton nearly 8 years after
he left office!
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:25:27 GMT, Bob Harrington <...@comcast.net> wrote:
MACK DADDY <...@msn.com> wrote:
[pathetic lib prick dribble]
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:43:25 GMT, Matt Helm <...@roast.er> wrote:
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:31:30 -0800 (PST), MACK DADDY
<...@msn.com> mumbled:
there are so many reasons to hate Bush, first
and foremost because he caused 9/11 to happen,
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm
Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize
Sudan offered up the terrorist and data on his network. The
then-president and his advisors didn't respond.
By MANSOOR IJAZ
President Clinton and his national security team ignored several
opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates,
including one as late as last year.
I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.
From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the
Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries,
including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy"
Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar
Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan
lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed
intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's
Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.
Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted
commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.
The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these
offers was deafening.
As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel
now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their
counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an
ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster.
Realizing the growing problem with Bin Laden, Bashir sent key
intelligence officials to the U.S. in February 1996.
The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi
Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him--monitoring all his
activities and associates.
But Saudi officials didn't want their home-grown terrorist back where
he might plot to overthrow them.
In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to U.S. pressure and asked Bin
Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored
better in Sudan than elsewhere.
Bin Laden left for Afghanistan, taking with him Ayman Zawahiri,
considered by the U.S. to be the chief planner of the Sept. 11
attacks; Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, who traveled frequently to Germany to
obtain electronic equipment for Al Qaeda; Wadih El-Hage, Bin Laden's
personal secretary and roving emissary, now serving a life sentence in
the U.S. for his role in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Tanzania
and Kenya; and Fazul Abdullah Mohammed and Saif Adel, also accused of
carrying out the embassy attacks.
Some of these men are now among the FBI's 22 most-wanted terrorists.
The two men who allegedly piloted the planes into the twin towers,
Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, prayed in the same Hamburg mosque
as did Salim and Mamoun Darkazanli, a Syrian trader who managed
Salim's bank accounts and whose assets are frozen.
Important data on each had been compiled by the Sudanese.
But U.S. authorities repeatedly turned the data away, first in
February 1996; then again that August, when at my suggestion Sudan's
religious ideologue, Hassan Turabi, wrote directly to Clinton; then
again in April 1997, when I persuaded Bashir to invite the FBI to come
to Sudan and view the data; and finally in February 1998, when Sudan's
intelligence chief, Gutbi al-Mahdi, wrote directly to the FBI.
Gutbi had shown me some of Sudan's data during a three-hour meeting in
Khartoum in October 1996. When I returned to Washington, I told Berger
and his specialist for East Africa, Susan Rice, about the data
available. They said they'd get back to me. They never did. Neither
did they respond when Bashir made the offer directly. I believe they
never had any intention to engage Muslim countries--ally or not.
Radical Islam, for the administration, was a convenient national
security threat.
And that was not the end of it. In July 2000--three months before the
deadly attack on the destroyer Cole in Yemen--I brought the White
House another plausible offer to deal with Bin Laden, by then known to
be involved in the embassy bombings. A senior counter-terrorism
official from one of the United States' closest Arab allies--an ally
whose name I am not free to divulge--approached me with the proposal
after telling me he was fed up with the antics and arrogance of U.S.
counter-terrorism officials.
The offer, which would have brought Bin Laden to the Arab country as
the first step of an extradition process that would eventually deliver
him to the U.S., required only that Clinton make a state visit there
to personally request Bin Laden's extradition. But senior Clinton
officials sabotaged the offer, letting it get caught up in internal
politics within the ruling family--Clintonian diplomacy at its best.
Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly
organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their
potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most
serious foreign policy failures in American history.
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:31:09 -0800 (PST), MACK DADDY <...@msn.com> wrote:
On Mar 4, 8:43 pm, Matt Helm <...@roast.er> wrote:
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:31:30 -0800 (PST), MACK DADDY
<...@msn.com> mumbled:
>there are so many reasons to hate Bush, first
>and foremost because he caused 9/11 to happen,
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin...
Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize
Sudan offered up the terrorist and data on his network. The
then-president and his advisors didn't respond.
By MANSOOR IJAZ
President Clinton and his national security team ignored several
opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates,
including one as late as last year.
I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.
From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the
Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries,
including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy"
Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar
Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan
lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed
intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's
Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.
Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted
commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.
The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these
offers was deafening.
As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel
now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their
counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an
ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster.
Realizing the growing problem with Bin Laden, Bashir sent key
intelligence officials to the U.S. in February 1996.
The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi
Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him--monitoring all his
activities and associates.
But Saudi officials didn't want their home-grown terrorist back where
he might plot to overthrow them.
In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to U.S. pressure and asked Bin
Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored
better in Sudan than elsewhere.
Bin Laden left for Afghanistan, taking with him Ayman Zawahiri,
considered by the U.S. to be the chief planner of the Sept. 11
attacks; Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, who traveled frequently to Germany to
obtain electronic equipment for Al Qaeda; Wadih El-Hage, Bin Laden's
personal secretary and roving emissary, now serving a life sentence in
the U.S. for his role in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Tanzania
and Kenya; and Fazul Abdullah Mohammed and Saif Adel, also accused of
carrying out the embassy attacks.
Some of these men are now among the FBI's 22 most-wanted terrorists.
The two men who allegedly piloted the planes into the twin towers,
Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, prayed in the same Hamburg mosque
as did Salim and Mamoun Darkazanli, a Syrian trader who managed
Salim's bank accounts and whose assets are frozen.
Important data on each had been compiled by the Sudanese.
But U.S. authorities repeatedly turned the data away, first in
February 1996; then again that August, when at my suggestion Sudan's
religious ideologue, Hassan Turabi, wrote directly to Clinton; then
again in April 1997, when I persuaded Bashir to invite the FBI to come
to Sudan and view the data; and finally in February 1998, when Sudan's
intelligence chief, Gutbi al-Mahdi, wrote directly to the FBI.
Gutbi had shown me some of Sudan's data during a three-hour meeting in
Khartoum in October 1996. When I returned to Washington, I told Berger
and his specialist for East Africa, Susan Rice, about the data
available. They said they'd get back to me. They never did. Neither
did they respond when Bashir made the offer directly. I believe they
never had any intention to engage Muslim countries--ally or not.
Radical Islam, for the administration, was a convenient national
security threat.
And that was not the end of it. In July 2000--three months before the
deadly attack on the destroyer Cole in Yemen--I brought the White
House another plausible offer to deal with Bin Laden, by then known to
be involved in the embassy bombings. A senior counter-terrorism
official from one of the United States' closest Arab allies--an ally
whose name I am not free to divulge--approached me with the proposal
after telling me he was fed up with the antics and arrogance of U.S.
counter-terrorism officials.
The offer, which would have brought Bin Laden to the Arab country as
the first step of an extradition process that would eventually deliver
him to the U.S., required only that Clinton make a state visit there
to personally request Bin Laden's extradition. But senior Clinton
officials sabotaged the offer, letting it get caught up in internal
politics within the ruling family--Clintonian diplomacy at its best.
Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly
organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their
potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most
serious foreign policy failures in American history.
*
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That shit pales when compared to the horrific display of leadership
displayed by George Dumbya Bush and Shlong Cheney on, and after 9/11.
Get a clue, you Republitards, 9/11 happened on Bush's watch and he
failed to act.
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:27:43 GMT, Bob Harrington <...@comcast.net> wrote:
MACK DADDY <...@msn.com> wrote in news:a847540a-339f-4a11-a925-
b753...@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
On Mar 4, 8:43pm, Matt Helm <...@roast.er> wrote:
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:31:30 -0800 (PST), MACK DADDY
<...@msn.com> mumbled:
>there are so many reasons to hate Bush, first
>and foremost because he caused 9/11 to happen,
http://www.infowars.com/saved%
20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin...
Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize
Sudan offered up the terrorist and data on his network. The
then-president and his advisors didn't respond.
By MANSOOR IJAZ
President Clinton and his national security team ignored several
opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates,
including one as late as last year.
I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.
From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the
Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries,
including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy"
Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar
Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan
lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed
intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's
Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.
Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted
commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.
The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these
offers was deafening.
As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel
now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their
counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an
ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster.
Realizing the growing problem with Bin Laden, Bashir sent key
intelligence officials to the U.S. in February 1996.
The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi
Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him--monitoring all his
activities and associates.
But Saudi officials didn't want their home-grown terrorist back where
he might plot to overthrow them.
In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to U.S. pressure and asked Bin
Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored
better in Sudan than elsewhere.
Bin Laden left for Afghanistan, taking with him Ayman Zawahiri,
considered by the U.S. to be the chief planner of the Sept. 11
attacks; Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, who traveled frequently to Germany to
obtain electronic equipment for Al Qaeda; Wadih El-Hage, Bin Laden's
personal secretary and roving emissary, now serving a life sentence in
the U.S. for his role in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Tanzania
and Kenya; and Fazul Abdullah Mohammed and Saif Adel, also accused of
carrying out the embassy attacks.
Some of these men are now among the FBI's 22 most-wanted terrorists.
The two men who allegedly piloted the planes into the twin towers,
Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, prayed in the same Hamburg mosque
as did Salim and Mamoun Darkazanli, a Syrian trader who managed
Salim's bank accounts and whose assets are frozen.
Important data on each had been compiled by the Sudanese.
But U.S. authorities repeatedly turned the data away, first in
February 1996; then again that August, when at my suggestion Sudan's
religious ideologue, Hassan Turabi, wrote directly to Clinton; then
again in April 1997, when I persuaded Bashir to invite the FBI to come
to Sudan and view the data; and finally in February 1998, when Sudan's
intelligence chief, Gutbi al-Mahdi, wrote directly to the FBI.
Gutbi had shown me some of Sudan's data during a three-hour meeting in
Khartoum in October 1996. When I returned to Washington, I told Berger
and his specialist for East Africa, Susan Rice, about the data
available. They said they'd get back to me. They never did. Neither
did they respond when Bashir made the offer directly. I believe they
never had any intention to engage Muslim countries--ally or not.
Radical Islam, for the administration, was a convenient national
security threat.
And that was not the end of it. In July 2000--three months before the
deadly attack on the destroyer Cole in Yemen--I brought the White
House another plausible offer to deal with Bin Laden, by then known to
be involved in the embassy bombings. A senior counter-terrorism
official from one of the United States' closest Arab allies--an ally
whose name I am not free to divulge--approached me with the proposal
after telling me he was fed up with the antics and arrogance of U.S.
counter-terrorism officials.
The offer, which would have brought Bin Laden to the Arab country as
the first step of an extradition process that would eventually deliver
him to the U.S., required only that Clinton make a state visit there
to personally request Bin Laden's extradition. But senior Clinton
officials sabotaged the offer, letting it get caught up in internal
politics within the ruling family--Clintonian diplomacy at its best.
Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly
organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their
potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most
serious foreign policy failures in American history.
*
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That shit pales when compared to the horrific display of leadership
displayed by George Dumbya Bush and Shlong Cheney on, and after 9/11.
Get a clue, you Republitards, 9/11 happened on Bush's watch and he
failed to act.
Your inane rantings only add proof to how utterly fucked you and your
Shitocrat party are!
Good luck with that.
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:07:04 GMT, Oat Willie <...@maker.net> wrote:
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:31:09 -0800 (PST), MACK DADDY
<...@msn.com> mumbled:
On Mar 4, 8:43 pm, Matt Helm <...@roast.er> wrote:
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:31:30 -0800 (PST), MACK DADDY
<...@msn.com> mumbled:
>there are so many reasons to hate Bush, first
>and foremost because he caused 9/11 to happen,
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin...
Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize
Sudan offered up the terrorist and data on his network. The
then-president and his advisors didn't respond.
By MANSOOR IJAZ
President Clinton and his national security team ignored several
opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates,
including one as late as last year.
I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.
From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the
Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries,
including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy"
Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar
Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan
lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed
intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's
Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.
Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted
commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.
The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these
offers was deafening.
As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel
now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their
counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an
ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster.
Realizing the growing problem with Bin Laden, Bashir sent key
intelligence officials to the U.S. in February 1996.
The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi
Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him--monitoring all his
activities and associates.
But Saudi officials didn't want their home-grown terrorist back where
he might plot to overthrow them.
In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to U.S. pressure and asked Bin
Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored
better in Sudan than elsewhere.
Bin Laden left for Afghanistan, taking with him Ayman Zawahiri,
considered by the U.S. to be the chief planner of the Sept. 11
attacks; Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, who traveled frequently to Germany to
obtain electronic equipment for Al Qaeda; Wadih El-Hage, Bin Laden's
personal secretary and roving emissary, now serving a life sentence in
the U.S. for his role in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Tanzania
and Kenya; and Fazul Abdullah Mohammed and Saif Adel, also accused of
carrying out the embassy attacks.
Some of these men are now among the FBI's 22 most-wanted terrorists.
The two men who allegedly piloted the planes into the twin towers,
Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, prayed in the same Hamburg mosque
as did Salim and Mamoun Darkazanli, a Syrian trader who managed
Salim's bank accounts and whose assets are frozen.
Important data on each had been compiled by the Sudanese.
But U.S. authorities repeatedly turned the data away, first in
February 1996; then again that August, when at my suggestion Sudan's
religious ideologue, Hassan Turabi, wrote directly to Clinton; then
again in April 1997, when I persuaded Bashir to invite the FBI to come
to Sudan and view the data; and finally in February 1998, when Sudan's
intelligence chief, Gutbi al-Mahdi, wrote directly to the FBI.
Gutbi had shown me some of Sudan's data during a three-hour meeting in
Khartoum in October 1996. When I returned to Washington, I told Berger
and his specialist for East Africa, Susan Rice, about the data
available. They said they'd get back to me. They never did. Neither
did they respond when Bashir made the offer directly. I believe they
never had any intention to engage Muslim countries--ally or not.
Radical Islam, for the administration, was a convenient national
security threat.
And that was not the end of it. In July 2000--three months before the
deadly attack on the destroyer Cole in Yemen--I brought the White
House another plausible offer to deal with Bin Laden, by then known to
be involved in the embassy bombings. A senior counter-terrorism
official from one of the United States' closest Arab allies--an ally
whose name I am not free to divulge--approached me with the proposal
after telling me he was fed up with the antics and arrogance of U.S.
counter-terrorism officials.
The offer, which would have brought Bin Laden to the Arab country as
the first step of an extradition process that would eventually deliver
him to the U.S., required only that Clinton make a state visit there
to personally request Bin Laden's extradition. But senior Clinton
officials sabotaged the offer, letting it get caught up in internal
politics within the ruling family--Clintonian diplomacy at its best.
Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly
organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their
potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most
serious foreign policy failures in American history.
*
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That shit pales when compared to
...Pearl Harbor?
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:11:26 -0500, The Left's Worse Nightmare <...@papernapkin.net> wrote:
MACK DADDY wrote:
On Mar 4, 11:41 am, Name Stolen <...@papernapkin.net> wrote:
Lattlay Fottfoy wrote:
"Name Stolen" <...@papernapkin.net> wrote in message
news...@newsfe17.lga...
Typical looney liberal cannot take it when called down.
Like Bush who muzzled the press immediately after his first vacation on
9/12/01?
Man you guys are hypocrites.
Bush has nothing to do with this discussion about Obama. You clowns
must realize someday that Bush is a lame duck and cannot do or say
anything after next January.
Now, again, Obama is not able to take it when called down. He cannot
stand to be shown wrong and because of that he will NOT be the leader we
need.
Now, TRY to respond without singing another verse from the old "I HATE
BUSH" song.
I bet you can't do it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I wont even try, because there are so many reasons to hate Bush, first
and foremost because he caused 9/11 to happen, and then he took a
vacation while he send troops over to Iraq to die for oil to fill gas
tanks on Republitards Hummers. Who cares if Bush is a lame duck? WE
still must call him out and punish him for his crimes. You
Republitards still bitch and moan about Clinton nearly 8 years after
he left office!
I KNEW you could not do it!
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:04:37 -0800 (PST), Tim Crowley <...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 4, 10:36 am, Name Stolen <...@papernapkin.net> wrote:
Typical looney liberal cannot take it when called down.
Typical no name troll. Nothing but silly name calling. name stolen
indeed.
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 05:36:41 GMT, Stig Mata <...@hour.photo> wrote:
Tim Crowley wrote:
http://www.freespeechseattle.org/media/1999-07-22-stranger.shtml
July 9, Seattle Center officials banished Tim Crowley--who's pushing
I-46, an initiative to repeal Seattle's poster ban--from the 74-acre
property. Seattle Center security claimed Crowley had violated park
guidelines by displaying an anti-poster-ban sign [see "Cops Ban Poster
Guy," In Other News, July 15]. He was told to stay out for a year.
While working the crowd for signatures, Crowley took a "Yes on I-46"
sign and placed it in a tree near stage left of the Mural
Amphitheater. Two people wearing shirts that read "staff" approached
him and told him he had to take the sign down. He asked why. They said
it was against the rules. "What rules?" he asked.
They didn't answer. A third staffer showed up and informed Crowley
that people have to pay to display signs at Seattle Center. He ordered
Crowley to take his sign down, and Crowley refused. The staffer then
took the sign down himself, and Crowley ripped it out of his hands.
The police--who operate a cop shop on Seattle Center
grounds--responded immediately, confiscating the campaign sign and
ordering Crowley to come with them. The cop in charge, Sergeant Ron
Wilson, told Crowley he was "out of control," and had better do what
he was told. Wilson and two other cops escorted Crowley back to their
office, where they filled out a card with his name, address, and date
of birth, and informed him that he couldn't return to Seattle Center
for a year. Crowley asked for a copy of the card, but the police
refused.
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=1559
The cop in charge, Sergeant Ron Wilson, told Crowley he was "out of
control," and had better do what he was told. Wilson and two other
cops escorted Crowley back to their office, where they filled out a
card with his name, address, and date of birth, and informed him that
he couldn't return to Seattle Center for a year.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/paynter/payn205.shtml
Crowley, who lives on Capitol Hill, says he was gassed in his home
by
"rampaging police" last year and wants an assurance it won't happen
again. He claims the message being broadcast by the mayor and police
is that the city is prepared to do its worst to silence the citizens
of Seattle.
Heaving a sigh, Lilly called that kind of talk "really, really
disappointing." Of course, people are free to turn out with signs for
labor, the environment, social justice, whatever the cause, he said.
http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/ethics/el99a/report/filings/bi_fss/s99072...
1999 Seattle Election Information
Filings - Disclosure Reports
Free Speech Seattle (YES)
05/06/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $2.01 $351.69
Description: copies
05/06/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $21.50 $351.69
Description: clipboards
05/06/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $3.02 $3
05/14/1999 Crowley, Mikie
Seattle, WA
$48.94 $49.94
Description: copies & groceries (2/25-5/14)
05/16/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $12.00 $363.69
05/19/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $4.95 $368.64
Description: stamps
05/22/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $6.44 $378.90
Description: drinks
05/22/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $3.82 $378.90
Description: drinks
05/27/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $6.44 $385.34
Description: foam board
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $20.16 $441.26
Description: copies
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $4.32 $441.26
Description: door stop
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $21.67 $441.26
Description: printer paper
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $9.77 $441.26
Jello Biafra For President
In late November, Jello Biafra was nominated for the New York State
Green Party Presidential Primary scheduled for March 7, 2000. Biafra,
intially unaware of the nomination, has since offered his consent and
is an official candidate.
In Seattle Contact
Tim Crowley
442-9404
mu.....@hemp.net
POTHEAD!
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 06:17:12 -0800 (PST), Tim Crowley <...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 4, 9:36 pm, Stig Mata <...@hour.photo> wrote:
Tim Crowley wrote:
http://www.freespeechseattle.org/
awww, how cute - spammy got a new nym. thanks for posting the
freespeechseattlee.org site. we found a law that was wrong, that
restricted free speech. That law is now gone. It's what Americans do.
If you were not such a retard, you would read the whole post and
learn.
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On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:02:49 GMT, Oat Willie <...@maker.net> wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 06:17:12 -0800 (PST), Tim Crowley
<...@gmail.com> mumbled:
On Mar 4, 9:36 pm, Stig Mata <...@hour.photo> wrote:
Tim Crowley wrote:
http://www.freespeechseattle.org/
awww, how cute -
http://www.freespeechseattle.org/media/1999-07-22-stranger.shtml
July 9, Seattle Center officials banished Tim Crowley--who's pushing
I-46, an initiative to repeal Seattle's poster ban--from the 74-acre
property. Seattle Center security claimed Crowley had violated park
guidelines by displaying an anti-poster-ban sign [see "Cops Ban Poster
Guy," In Other News, July 15]. He was told to stay out for a year.
While working the crowd for signatures, Crowley took a "Yes on I-46"
sign and placed it in a tree near stage left of the Mural
Amphitheater. Two people wearing shirts that read "staff" approached
him and told him he had to take the sign down. He asked why. They said
it was against the rules. "What rules?" he asked.
They didn't answer. A third staffer showed up and informed Crowley
that people have to pay to display signs at Seattle Center. He ordered
Crowley to take his sign down, and Crowley refused. The staffer then
took the sign down himself, and Crowley ripped it out of his hands.
The police--who operate a cop shop on Seattle Center
grounds--responded immediately, confiscating the campaign sign and
ordering Crowley to come with them. The cop in charge, Sergeant Ron
Wilson, told Crowley he was "out of control," and had better do what
he was told. Wilson and two other cops escorted Crowley back to their
office, where they filled out a card with his name, address, and date
of birth, and informed him that he couldn't return to Seattle Center
for a year. Crowley asked for a copy of the card, but the police
refused.
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=1559
The cop in charge, Sergeant Ron Wilson, told Crowley he was "out of
control," and had better do what he was told. Wilson and two other
cops escorted Crowley back to their office, where they filled out a
card with his name, address, and date of birth, and informed him that
he couldn't return to Seattle Center for a year.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/paynter/payn205.shtml
Crowley, who lives on Capitol Hill, says he was gassed in his home
by
"rampaging police" last year and wants an assurance it won't happen
again. He claims the message being broadcast by the mayor and police
is that the city is prepared to do its worst to silence the citizens
of Seattle.
Heaving a sigh, Lilly called that kind of talk "really, really
disappointing." Of course, people are free to turn out with signs for
labor, the environment, social justice, whatever the cause, he said.
http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/ethics/el99a/report/filings/bi_fss/s99072...
1999 Seattle Election Information
Filings - Disclosure Reports
Free Speech Seattle (YES)
05/06/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $2.01 $351.69
Description: copies
05/06/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $21.50 $351.69
Description: clipboards
05/06/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $3.02 $3
05/14/1999 Crowley, Mikie
Seattle, WA
$48.94 $49.94
Description: copies & groceries (2/25-5/14)
05/16/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $12.00 $363.69
05/19/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $4.95 $368.64
Description: stamps
05/22/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $6.44 $378.90
Description: drinks
05/22/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $3.82 $378.90
Description: drinks
05/27/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $6.44 $385.34
Description: foam board
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $20.16 $441.26
Description: copies
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $4.32 $441.26
Description: door stop
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $21.67 $441.26
Description: printer paper
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $9.77 $441.26
Jello Biafra For President
In late November, Jello Biafra was nominated for the New York State
Green Party Presidential Primary scheduled for March 7, 2000. Biafra,
intially unaware of the nomination, has since offered his consent and
is an official candidate.
In Seattle Contact
Tim Crowley
442-9404
mu.....@hemp.net
POTHEAD!
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:03:40 -0800 (PST), Tim Crowley <...@gmail.com> wrote:
sure is fun to watch the nameless trolls explode
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 05:36:48 GMT, Stig Mata <...@hour.photo> wrote:
Tim Crowley wrote:
sure is fun to watch the nameless trolls explode
http://www.freespeechseattle.org/media/1999-07-22-stranger.shtml
July 9, Seattle Center officials banished Tim Crowley--who's pushing
I-46, an initiative to repeal Seattle's poster ban--from the 74-acre
property. Seattle Center security claimed Crowley had violated park
guidelines by displaying an anti-poster-ban sign [see "Cops Ban Poster
Guy," In Other News, July 15]. He was told to stay out for a year.
While working the crowd for signatures, Crowley took a "Yes on I-46"
sign and placed it in a tree near stage left of the Mural
Amphitheater. Two people wearing shirts that read "staff" approached
him and told him he had to take the sign down. He asked why. They said
it was against the rules. "What rules?" he asked.
They didn't answer. A third staffer showed up and informed Crowley
that people have to pay to display signs at Seattle Center. He ordered
Crowley to take his sign down, and Crowley refused. The staffer then
took the sign down himself, and Crowley ripped it out of his hands.
The police--who operate a cop shop on Seattle Center
grounds--responded immediately, confiscating the campaign sign and
ordering Crowley to come with them. The cop in charge, Sergeant Ron
Wilson, told Crowley he was "out of control," and had better do what
he was told. Wilson and two other cops escorted Crowley back to their
office, where they filled out a card with his name, address, and date
of birth, and informed him that he couldn't return to Seattle Center
for a year. Crowley asked for a copy of the card, but the police
refused.
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=1559
The cop in charge, Sergeant Ron Wilson, told Crowley he was "out of
control," and had better do what he was told. Wilson and two other
cops escorted Crowley back to their office, where they filled out a
card with his name, address, and date of birth, and informed him that
he couldn't return to Seattle Center for a year.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/paynter/payn205.shtml
Crowley, who lives on Capitol Hill, says he was gassed in his home
by
"rampaging police" last year and wants an assurance it won't happen
again. He claims the message being broadcast by the mayor and police
is that the city is prepared to do its worst to silence the citizens
of Seattle.
Heaving a sigh, Lilly called that kind of talk "really, really
disappointing." Of course, people are free to turn out with signs for
labor, the environment, social justice, whatever the cause, he said.
http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/ethics/el99a/report/filings/bi_fss/s99072...
1999 Seattle Election Information
Filings - Disclosure Reports
Free Speech Seattle (YES)
05/06/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $2.01 $351.69
Description: copies
05/06/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $21.50 $351.69
Description: clipboards
05/06/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $3.02 $3
05/14/1999 Crowley, Mikie
Seattle, WA
$48.94 $49.94
Description: copies & groceries (2/25-5/14)
05/16/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $12.00 $363.69
05/19/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $4.95 $368.64
Description: stamps
05/22/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $6.44 $378.90
Description: drinks
05/22/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $3.82 $378.90
Description: drinks
05/27/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $6.44 $385.34
Description: foam board
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $20.16 $441.26
Description: copies
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $4.32 $441.26
Description: door stop
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $21.67 $441.26
Description: printer paper
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $9.77 $441.26
Jello Biafra For President
In late November, Jello Biafra was nominated for the New York State
Green Party Presidential Primary scheduled for March 7, 2000. Biafra,
intially unaware of the nomination, has since offered his consent and
is an official candidate.
In Seattle Contact
Tim Crowley
442-9404
mu.....@hemp.net
POTHEAD!
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:32:31 -0800 (PST), MACK DADDY <...@msn.com> wrote:
On Mar 4, 9:03 pm, Tim Crowley <...@gmail.com> wrote:
sure is fun to watch the nameless trolls explode
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
They're all just paranoid because Obamas name rhymes with Osama! be
afraid! be very afraid! lol
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:40:39 GMT, Bob Harrington <...@comcast.net> wrote:
MACK DADDY <...@msn.com> wrote in news:986dd0f4-1547-4d8f-8e3e-
31f0...@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
On Mar 4, 9:03pm, Tim Crowley <...@gmail.com> wrote:
sure is fun to watch the nameless trolls explode
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
They're all just paranoid because Obamas name rhymes with Osama! be
afraid! be very afraid! lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APx2YJ-_jos
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:38:56 GMT, Bob Harrington <...@comcast.net> wrote:
Tim Crowley <...@gmail.com> wrote in news:89fbfcbb-9b0d-43bc-97a7-
fc5e...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
President Obama
Pretend while you can. You'll never get a chance to say it in the real
world...
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 06:19:08 -0800 (PST), Tim Crowley <...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 5, 2:38 am, Bob Harrington <...@comcast.net> wrote:
Tim Crowley <...@gmail.com> wrote in news:89fbfcbb-9b0d-43bc-97a7=-
fc5e...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
> President Obama
Pretend while you can. You'll never get a chance to say it in the real
world...
What's funny part is to watch how the very thought petrifies the
racist trolls. The good news about this election is it doesn't matter
who wins - anyone running is a billion times more competent and sane
than President Bush. it's a win win, however it goes.
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On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:03:04 GMT, Oat Willie <...@maker.net> wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 06:19:08 -0800 (PST), Tim Crowley
<...@gmail.com> mumbled:
What's funny part is to watch
http://www.freespeechseattle.org/media/1999-07-22-stranger.shtml
July 9, Seattle Center officials banished Tim Crowley--who's pushing
I-46, an initiative to repeal Seattle's poster ban--from the 74-acre
property. Seattle Center security claimed Crowley had violated park
guidelines by displaying an anti-poster-ban sign [see "Cops Ban Poster
Guy," In Other News, July 15]. He was told to stay out for a year.
While working the crowd for signatures, Crowley took a "Yes on I-46"
sign and placed it in a tree near stage left of the Mural
Amphitheater. Two people wearing shirts that read "staff" approached
him and told him he had to take the sign down. He asked why. They said
it was against the rules. "What rules?" he asked.
They didn't answer. A third staffer showed up and informed Crowley
that people have to pay to display signs at Seattle Center. He ordered
Crowley to take his sign down, and Crowley refused. The staffer then
took the sign down himself, and Crowley ripped it out of his hands.
The police--who operate a cop shop on Seattle Center
grounds--responded immediately, confiscating the campaign sign and
ordering Crowley to come with them. The cop in charge, Sergeant Ron
Wilson, told Crowley he was "out of control," and had better do what
he was told. Wilson and two other cops escorted Crowley back to their
office, where they filled out a card with his name, address, and date
of birth, and informed him that he couldn't return to Seattle Center
for a year. Crowley asked for a copy of the card, but the police
refused.
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=1559
The cop in charge, Sergeant Ron Wilson, told Crowley he was "out of
control," and had better do what he was told. Wilson and two other
cops escorted Crowley back to their office, where they filled out a
card with his name, address, and date of birth, and informed him that
he couldn't return to Seattle Center for a year.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/paynter/payn205.shtml
Crowley, who lives on Capitol Hill, says he was gassed in his home
by
"rampaging police" last year and wants an assurance it won't happen
again. He claims the message being broadcast by the mayor and police
is that the city is prepared to do its worst to silence the citizens
of Seattle.
Heaving a sigh, Lilly called that kind of talk "really, really
disappointing." Of course, people are free to turn out with signs for
labor, the environment, social justice, whatever the cause, he said.
http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/ethics/el99a/report/filings/bi_fss/s99072...
1999 Seattle Election Information
Filings - Disclosure Reports
Free Speech Seattle (YES)
05/06/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $2.01 $351.69
Description: copies
05/06/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $21.50 $351.69
Description: clipboards
05/06/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $3.02 $3
05/14/1999 Crowley, Mikie
Seattle, WA
$48.94 $49.94
Description: copies & groceries (2/25-5/14)
05/16/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $12.00 $363.69
05/19/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $4.95 $368.64
Description: stamps
05/22/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $6.44 $378.90
Description: drinks
05/22/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $3.82 $378.90
Description: drinks
05/27/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $6.44 $385.34
Description: foam board
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $20.16 $441.26
Description: copies
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $4.32 $441.26
Description: door stop
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $21.67 $441.26
Description: printer paper
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $9.77 $441.26
Jello Biafra For President
In late November, Jello Biafra was nominated for the New York State
Green Party Presidential Primary scheduled for March 7, 2000. Biafra,
intially unaware of the nomination, has since offered his consent and
is an official candidate.
In Seattle Contact
Tim Crowley
442-9404
mu.....@hemp.net
POTHEAD!
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:56:08 GMT, Bob Harrington <...@comcast.net> wrote:
Tim Crowley <...@gmail.com> wrote in
news...@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
On Mar 5, 2:38am, Bob Harrington <...@comcast.net> wrote:
Tim Crowley <...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:89fbfcbb-9b0d-43bc-97a7
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fc5e...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
> President Obama
Pretend while you can. You'll never get a chance to say it in the
real world...
What's funny part is to watch how the very thought petrifies the
racist trolls.
Why are you afraid of Obama winning?
The good news about this election is it doesn't matter
who wins - anyone running is a billion times more competent and sane
than President Bush. it's a win win, however it goes.
So we can count you as a vote for McCain, then?
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:46:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim Crowley <...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 7, 1:56 am, Bob Harrington <...@comcast.net> wrote:
So we can count
That is not in evidence.
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:04:49 GMT, Dread Pirate Frank <...@of.world> wrote:
On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:46:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim Crowley
<...@gmail.com> mumbled:
That is not in evidence.
http://www.freespeechseattle.org/media/1999-07-22-stranger.shtml
July 9, Seattle Center officials banished Tim Crowley--who's pushing
I-46, an initiative to repeal Seattle's poster ban--from the 74-acre
property. Seattle Center security claimed Crowley had violated park
guidelines by displaying an anti-poster-ban sign [see "Cops Ban Poster
Guy," In Other News, July 15]. He was told to stay out for a year.
While working the crowd for signatures, Crowley took a "Yes on I-46"
sign and placed it in a tree near stage left of the Mural
Amphitheater. Two people wearing shirts that read "staff" approached
him and told him he had to take the sign down. He asked why. They said
it was against the rules. "What rules?" he asked.
They didn't answer. A third staffer showed up and informed Crowley
that people have to pay to display signs at Seattle Center. He ordered
Crowley to take his sign down, and Crowley refused. The staffer then
took the sign down himself, and Crowley ripped it out of his hands.
The police--who operate a cop shop on Seattle Center
grounds--responded immediately, confiscating the campaign sign and
ordering Crowley to come with them. The cop in charge, Sergeant Ron
Wilson, told Crowley he was "out of control," and had better do what
he was told. Wilson and two other cops escorted Crowley back to their
office, where they filled out a card with his name, address, and date
of birth, and informed him that he couldn't return to Seattle Center
for a year. Crowley asked for a copy of the card, but the police
refused.
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=1559
The cop in charge, Sergeant Ron Wilson, told Crowley he was "out of
control," and had better do what he was told. Wilson and two other
cops escorted Crowley back to their office, where they filled out a
card with his name, address, and date of birth, and informed him that
he couldn't return to Seattle Center for a year.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/paynter/payn205.shtml
Crowley, who lives on Capitol Hill, says he was gassed in his home
by
"rampaging police" last year and wants an assurance it won't happen
again. He claims the message being broadcast by the mayor and police
is that the city is prepared to do its worst to silence the citizens
of Seattle.
Heaving a sigh, Lilly called that kind of talk "really, really
disappointing." Of course, people are free to turn out with signs for
labor, the environment, social justice, whatever the cause, he said.
http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/ethics/el99a/report/filings/bi_fss/s99072...
1999 Seattle Election Information
Filings - Disclosure Reports
Free Speech Seattle (YES)
05/06/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $2.01 $351.69
Description: copies
05/06/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $21.50 $351.69
Description: clipboards
05/06/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $3.02 $3
05/14/1999 Crowley, Mikie
Seattle, WA
$48.94 $49.94
Description: copies & groceries (2/25-5/14)
05/16/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $12.00 $363.69
05/19/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $4.95 $368.64
Description: stamps
05/22/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $6.44 $378.90
Description: drinks
05/22/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $3.82 $378.90
Description: drinks
05/27/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $6.44 $385.34
Description: foam board
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $20.16 $441.26
Description: copies
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $4.32 $441.26
Description: door stop
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $21.67 $441.26
Description: printer paper
05/28/1999 Crowley, Tim
Seattle, WA Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, WA
Hosp. Worker $9.77 $441.26
Jello Biafra For President
In late November, Jello Biafra was nominated for the New York State
Green Party Presidential Primary scheduled for March 7, 2000. Biafra,
intially unaware of the nomination, has since offered his consent and
is an official candidate.
In Seattle Contact
Tim Crowley
442-9404
mu.....@hemp.net
POTHEAD!
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:33:49 GMT, Carl Swanson <...@lbcbo.com> wrote:
Dread Pirate Frank wrote:
The pattern continues:
You invent a new handle,one appropriate for an 8 year old.
When someone questions you they see your intellect as you replies
generally consist of "STFU" or "DIE SON".
You try to impress us by posting the IP addresses of those adults who
disagree with you.
You stop getting replies as many have kill filed you.
Repeat pattern.
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