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On Fri, 1 May 2009 03:12:39 -0700 (PDT), mogyothwar <...@globalnet.co.uk
On Apr 30, 10:35 pm, James <...@gmail.com
James,
You want it, you shall have it. Take it with salt, with sugar , milk
or water, before or after meal,, morning or at bed time. .Its up to
you, it will give you the same effect.
But don't forget to publish in your New Light Of Myanmar , Front page
please, And don't edit it or censor it. Don't change the sublect
either. That's what some opposition do.
There are people who are so afraid others will finde out the truth .
so scare, others will have different views , they don't want anybody
to read, to learn. but their own filthy language.
I hope you are not one of the, If you are not against them, then you
are with them. Is that fair enough?
“ we are Americans , we have our own way of life . I am an American
citizen, you can’t do this to me , you can do that to me. I am an
America citizen we can fuck you and anybody at any time we like ” .
Do as I say, don’t do as I do . Is that it ? Are you am America
citizen or a native of America.? What are you ?
There are many ways to answer the questions . It is not as simple as
to tick the right one among given answers A, B or C. We are not
kindergarten children. Have you seen these children in the forum?
T=There are many I should say. So don’t try to be one of them OK?
For example , let me put a question to you. What are you, A . an
animal, B. a dog, or C, a bullock? What will your answer be,
James?
You have already come to your own conclusions. You have your own
questions , with your own answers. What do you expect from me?
A friend of mine told me about a book , and gave me something for a
taste, here it is., for your pleasure , in your leisure time.
"Great Powers - America and the world after Bush" by Thomas P.M.
Barnett. On page 73 he said, "as a relatively young country, we
Americans spend little time remembering history. That tendency gives
us a bit of myopia when it comes to judging the political evolution of
other countries. We simple cannot understand why everyone shouldn't be
able to quickly put together a democracy like our own."
Is there any meaning in that, do you understand what he meant, do
you? That is “Thomas P.M Barnett,” the American. Not me. Well I
honestly do not know which tribe of American he decent from.
Whatever , he was well within his rights to write that book, as long
as he does not incite , any riots, chaos and lawlessness, as long as
he does not support Taliban or Al Quida or Communists .
If needs be US government will support Taliban, Al Quida , terrorists
of any kind and in any country . Do you accept that some of the
terrorists and trained and armed and funds by your country, in many
different names, in many different ways? Ask Colonel Oliver North ,
if he is still alive, his statements to the senate.
You are talking about my country, about my people and about my
government. I don’t know who gave you that right. Because you are an
American, you have every rights, which others have none?
You think I am talking a load of rubbish, you are the one who is
talking sense?
When I compare my country, my people , and my government with others ,
you don’t seem to like it. Because its true. But you don’t understand
what I was driving at. I am not trying to change you or to change the
role with you. We are who we are and we are what we are, remember
that. I cannot change you, neither you can change me.
I have nothing to talk about your views on my country, on my people ,
on my government, those are your views, I leave them that way, if you
want to call it they are your rights. How right are you, you alone
will know. I hope you respect other peoples’ rights as well.
You talk about Internet News, especially those which are negative
about my country, my people, and my government . I am not surprise
that you believe all of them without your own knowledge. I have told
you once or more before that Internet is like a dust bin. You have to
be careful . But you can still find some good old ones.
I have been to you country and many others, to collect knowledge. With
my own experience and by reading books I learned something about
their politic, their economy and their social matters. Don’t tell me
your country is a Heaven on Earth. If a House is a man’s palace. Your
country is your palace, and my country is my palace. DO you know about
your own country James?
Before I go on any further I will tell you one thing and don’t you
ever forget that. The leaders of Myanmar at present and in the past
have had not done anything what you so called Americans have done in
the past or at present. It may be very hard for you to swallow
James. That’s how it is. That is the whole truth nothing but the
truth so help you God.
I am not surprise, because you are an opposition to SPDC yourself, you
will support those who oppose SPDC. That is understandable. You are
one of them. I can teach you nothing . Everything about Myanmar is
nothing new, because some do not accept to make New Myanmar. ( not New
Light of Myanmar ).
The sad thing is, for these twenty years SPDC has done many things in
Myanmar , for progress and developments . You don’t talk about these
things, may be you don’t know You talk about negative side of SPDC,
which you have no idea whether they are true or not, but you take them
as truth, on what ground, on what evidence. . I trust they are all
hear say, rumours, false accusations etc.
Myanmar or SPDC is not absolutely, or 100 % perfect, or 100 % proof,
like any other country. This already I accepted without your help.
There are different people on this forum, with different views, I
accept that. I never try to engage in argument with them. They say
what they like say and I say what I like to say. Buit what I say about
my people, what I say about my people, what I say about my Government
is my business, because I am Myanmar. I understand the situation of
Myanamr, I understand my own people , I understand my government wht
it is doing and why it has to do.
I live in Myanmar while it was under democratic government , I live in
Myanmar which was under Socialist , I live in Myanmar under SLORC,
under SPDC. Not to forget , I used to live in Myanmar which was under
the British rule, I used to live in Myanmar, which was periodically
Japanese rule.
So have no doubt my Dear Jane, I know what I am talking about . I am
not a politician, or want to be or would be a politician. If I want to
be a politician, I will definitely be not one of the upstarts. That is
for sure.
The reason I am taking part in the forums is to relay, pass on my
experience, or my knowledge about my country, about my people and
about my governments to the younger generation if today whom most of
them have no idea what Myanmar is.
They must know , right or wrong Myanmar is their country, right or
wrong Myanmars are their people, right or wrong Myanmar government is
their government.
Now they have a big chance, they have a big opportunity, to change
Myanmar. That is if they know. That is if they only realise.
Swearing, calling names, accusation anybody who do not agree with
them, smear campaign against those who do not accept their views. All
the are nothing to do with democracy, or human rights.
I know that I have no right to tell you how to live your life, how to
eat, or how to shit? I have my right to mind my own business, I have
no right to mind other people business. That I learn while I am in
the west . Minding one own business .Later I found out , “ do as we
say, don’t do as we do ”. You may accept that as right, but I don’t
James.
James , I don't have to answer any of your questions, simply because
you are nothing. I can learn nothing from you, by engaging into deep
conversation with you. I have heard it before , they are nothing
new. If I go into debate , it is a waste of time and energy. Nothing
will change, Don’t think you can change me James, you can’t. I am not
and will not try and chance you either. Because I am me, and you are
you. Lets put it that way. You and I will change only if we want to.
While I have one of my eyes on My country, on my people, and on my
government, another eye of mine is looking around, around the world in
eight seconds. That may be a little bit too much don’t you think .
In a blink of my eyes, I can travel to the whole solar system , learn
the whole universes and the universes beyond our own known universe.
Do you know that? It is the known fact, by science that light travels
faster than sound, mind travels much , much, so much faster than the
light.
So I see what is happening in the whole world, I see who is doing
what in the whole world. I see every beings are doing something or
the other in their own little and large worlds. We human beings are
the same in the world we live in.
This world or planet earth happened to be how many million of years
old, I don’t know. How old are we human beings, I don’t know. As a
matter of fact, nobody know exactly, they only had a good guesses, in
their own ways.
You may think I am not answering your questions. No, there is nothing
to answer. As I have said, your views are only yours. There is nothing
new , we are going round the circle. playing merry go round. They all
have been answered by those concerned. Why shouild I answer,
knowingly you will never accept or believe whatever I say.
You are the new comer here, for youi it may be new, not for others, I
am afraid. .
All I was saying was, to compare Myanmar to others. SPDC to other
government. Without blinking my eyes, what I am seeing is SPDC is not
worse nor better than any other governments on this planet earth. SPDC
is not doing anything better or worse than any other goverment. In my
view SPDC is too lineint.
It is said, that there were 140, 000 people dies and missing because
Nargis cyclone, the natural disaster. SPDC been blame for not doing
enough to help those who survived. That was natural disaster James.
Your country went to Afghanistan, Iraqm Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos,
not to forget Koreas and slaughtered, everybody, in the name of
democracy in the name of communist witch hunt. What are you hunting
James , do you think I am a witch or you are using me as a cover to
hide yourself a witch, or your government, a witch? This is a real
man made disaster, delibrately made by men. for what? To impose
democracy by force, How many innocent people were slaughtered . do you
have the figures.?
Everybody do things as necessary, right or wrong have no place in
that. It never come to anything. Everybody will say anything to
justify their actions, they will give their reasons if not excuses
why they do it. What your government did was not a necessity in my
view, but in their view,it may be, to control that region, to control
the oll, to have influence, to install their puppet goivernment,
friendly one. who will always obey them. Ti have ground in case
anything should happened, to created boffer zones . DO you understand
what I am saying James, I hope you do.
What I am doing is to educate my peoploe in myh own way, to tell them
thatn the reall world outside is not like what they think, not like
what they dream, not like what they imagine. As one of my very good
friends put it, “ I wish my country to prosper and do what I can in
my own small way .”I can not do it on my own , all my people must do
it. They need to have clear vision, I know their vision is poor. Just
to let them know there are alternative ways , our own ways of life. We
need to protect and defend it. We don't needto create buffer zones by
nkilling innocent human beings. .
Have a look, there are lots of things for do for your own country and
for your own people. Don’t worry about others , they can do without
you, They are afraid , when you come they lost everything .mother ,
father, brothers sisters, sons and daughters.
Be glad James, it never come across my mind that you are that foolish.
Stupid idiot. I don’t know which is your country, I assume United
States of America, because I thought you said US was your country.
Whatever.
You seem to think that you know very much about Myanmar, through
internet news. Whether they are right or wrong you don’t seemed to
know. You have no way of finding out. Never mind that.
If US is your country, what are you? US citizen or a native American?
What about your parents? No offence mate , no offence at all. What I
want to know is how much do you know about you country US ? How US
come about? The making of US. The making of United States of
America? And the US policies.
There are people like , Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein and others. Some
of them are worse then them in their own way, everybody know that.
Don’t you think?
I bet my life on it. you may have negative and positive views on your
own country , on your own people and on your own government, if you
are an intelligent person .
Was “ Thomas P.M. Barnett.” and other wrong about their views on their
country , their people , and on their governments?
It is your right, whether you want to open your eyes to have a better
as look at the world , and see the realities, as they are. We have a
lot of things to sy for sure, some are best not to say, don’t you
think ?
Everybody should grow up and be matured. That is my sincere wish for
my own people for their own sake, for the sake of the nation.
If you cannot do anything for your own country, don’t try and do
something for other peoples’ country. If I have to use your westerners
usage, “ mind your own fucking business”. we will mind ours.
Is that clear enough.
If Germany became a poodle of US, if Germans lost their identity ,
because of Hitler the same can go for any country. Besides all Empires
great and small fell in time.
Nothing is permanent, said Lord Buddha
Have a good day,
Mogyothwar.
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On Fri, 1 May 2009 07:45:55 -0700 (PDT), James <...@gmail.com
Hi Mogyothwar,
Well, my proposal was a serious one. So I left it to you to make up
your mind. That is your right, your freedom of choice. Both you and I
are living in the West (though you are Burmese by origin) and we are
free to decide for ourselves and we have freedom of speech. That is
why you and I represent ourselves, not so much the country we live in.
We are individually responsible for our own deeds, choices and
opinions, not for those of other people in our country. Well, you
chose to defend and support your government (not the English one), I
don't, I am an international human rights activist without borders. I
don't dispute or deny your right to freedom of speech, but I will
attack you on _what_ you allege with regard to the disputed policies
of the Burmese military government. As long as you continue to support
denial of freedom to the Burmese people and all other abuses of the
criminal government you will have to endure me; it is your conscious
choice to take a position in which you can expect opposition or you
should not be here. So stop calling me names, abusive words are
childish and no arguments, be a man (?) and react to what I say
instead of avoiding those issues that I raise. My offer still stands.
At any time you may decide to accept it. Just let me know.
I hope, maybe in the near future you will get to see that your
position regarding the political and social circumstances in Burma is
based on lies, deception, intimidation, indoctrination and oppression
by the government. I will welcome the day when you will experience
that you were misinformed. At the moment you probably would say that I
am wrong and you are right, referring to many material achievements,
law and order, unity and stability and the outcome of the 2008
referendum, while disregarding or denying the fraud. But instead of
believing me on my word I would suggest you to ask the Burmese people
themselves about it. Don't believe me, believe the Burmese people!
I would not so much suggest asking the Burmese people inside Burma as
they, in my view, don't dare to speak out freely. So I would strongly
suggest you to directly ask the Burmese people outside Burma about it,
especially the refugees in other countries like Thailand; they can
testify (more) freely about it. If you can't go there to approach them
personally then at least read the reports that they have written or
that were written on behalf of them, observe the truth from the
source. Or would you say that you don't believe anything of what those
people have declared? Or do you still maintain that the oppression is
justified in view of similar oppression and human rights violations
elsewhere? Or would you suggest that at least I shoudn't be opposing
it in view of the many human rights abuses elsewhere in the world (by
for example the US, the UK, China, North Korea)? Do you mean that I
should better refrain from fighting human rights violations in (the
very distant) Burma and that I rather should concentrate on such
violations nearby?
Here is a suggestion for a report on Burmese refugeees, that you can
use as a replacement for a personal encounter to Thailand.It concerns
autobiographies of former political prisoners having fled from Burma:
http://www.aappb.org/Women%20Political%20Prisoners%20in%20Burma.pdf .
The statements in there are quite contradictory to what you seem to
believe. Now, you tell me what I should believe in your view: reports
like those, written by people describing their own experiences or your
extolling viewpoints about living in Burma, written from your English
palace? You could say to me something like "anyone could write that
and put it on the internet", yes, that applies to you too of course;
at least one of the two is lying, deliberately or not. In this
newsgroup I only have your statements and those of a handful of other
junta supporters in this forum, while I have many more statements of
people supporting the Burmese opposition, both within and outside this
forum. Who would I believe do you think? Last but not least I myself
am a direct witness to clear deception by the junta; noone, not even
you, can deny what I perceived personally. I have asked you for a
reaction to my report on that deception on election results many, many
times. You didn't dare to comment on it, you rather ignored the
question.
In the past I have announced writing about the discussion going on in
the newsgroup soc.culture.burma in the Alternative New Light of
Myanmar, see my postings of 1 and 2 September 2008 with subjects "if
Suu Kyi was left off the agenda , and UN can talk a lot with Myanmar"
and "Johnny comes lately!". I did so in the 12th @NLM
in the
article "The sound of silence". I also more than once challenged you
to respond to specific issues that I raised, which you didn't, you
kept your mouth shut about them. You more than once challenged me to
have your ideas published in the @NLM as an article. I would like to
basicly accept your challenge and to discuss such an option now.
First of all you have to know that the @NLM is mainly intended for two
groups of people. The @NLM is written, published and distributed to
the common Burmese people inside Burma in the first place. This is
done via email; the English language may be an obstacle, but there are
quite a lot of Burmese inderstanding English and in the past some of
my articles have been translated into Burmese and published on the
internet (you may still find them with Google). The main intention is
to let them know that they are not forgotten, that the world, at least
many people, organisations and countries are aware of them and their
suffering, care for them and fight for them through diplomatic
channels and publications of human rights organisations. In the second
place the @NLM is also mailed to many government organisations of
Burma, ministries and embassies to let the criminal junta know that
they are being watched and criticised. (A third group consists of
people and organisations outside Burma, but that is just for their
information, it is not the main target group.)
These main goals should be met at all times, they are the basis of the
@NLM. Because of that an isolated, entirely pro-junta article would
not suit at all and make the readers confused and suspicious. So I
would consider some article with pro and contra arguments for the
junta's policies, the obviously different interpretations about the
truth around facts and the motives for taking the different positions.
I would like to challenge you to draw up such an article in
cooperation with me. Together we might create such an article by
exchanging drafts via our private email addresses. Only when we would
finally completely agree about the text I would publish it in a
forthcoming @NLM. Would you like that? I know, I would also be editor-
in-chief next to being a co-author.
So I am inviting you to send me a concise draft with your views. I am
saying 'concise' as I expect it yet will gradually grow and I know you
by now. Without changing your mind I would propose you to discuss
(some of) the following subjects, views, facts, interpretations and
motives, disputed of not, that we could give our (differing) views
about. I don't think it will be in the form of a discussion, but the
more in the form of an independent report on the pros and cons of the
Burmese junta as seen by a junta supporter and a junta adversary.
Important issues may be:
- your general opinion on violations of human rights all over the
world, your (dis)approval;
- your view on Western countries in general, their foreign policies,
colonialism and supposed human rights violations;
- your view on the victim's testimonies and reports of (specific)
human rights abuses (raping, robbing, torturing, killing) in Burma;
- your general view on the military government in Burma, their
national policy and their earnestness, credibility (loving kindness);
- your views on law and order, unity and stability, patriottism and
Union Spirit;
- your view about the NLD and ASSK since the last 20 years;
- your view and explanation of your view on the issue of "political"
prisoners, including ASSK;
- your opinion on the 'violent crackdown' of the demonstrations
against the raise of fuel prices in September 2007;
- your view about the intentions of the junta around the 1990
elections and its consequences;
- your view about the National Convention, the Constitution and the
2008 referendum;
- your reaction on the alleged deception by the junta on the 1990
election results by me in 12th @NLM, 30 Sep 2008;
- your view on the (supposed lack of) freedom of speech and criticism,
individual, collective (press, demonstration);
- your view on the (supposed) criminal dictatorship and oppression of
the people (see my list of crimes on 27 August 2008 in
soc.culture.burma, subject "Begging won't save Burma (editorial)";
- your view on the (alleged) forced joining of the army, including by
children;
- your view on the Rohingyas, Karens and the handling of them by the
government;
- your expectations for the near future under a (mainly) military
government;
- your own explanations, motives, reasons or goals to support the
junta unconditionally;
- and what you could add too, what you think is important and basic.
I of course would insert my views and motives and try to find the core
of the disagreements. It should become a comprehensive article (not
too large) on the main differing opinions between you as a junta
supporter and me as a human rights activist. During the drafting
process I may repeatedly ask you for explanation and clarification of
certain points; you may ask me too.
Well, these indeed are many important suggestions already. Let's hope
for a fruitful cooperation as a positive result of the endless
discussions in the newsgroup soc.culture.burma . Please email me
personally about your willingness to share your views together with
mine for a larger audience than this discussion forum.
Regards,
James Russell Brownwood
Jame...@Gmail.com
http://jrburma.surge8.com
On 1 May, 6:12 am, mogyothwar <...@globalnet.co.uk> either. That's what some opposition do.[...]
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On Fri, 1 May 2009 09:54:58 -0700, "Island Teak" <...@shaw.ca
Hello James,
Excuse my intrusion into this thread.
It appears from your text that you are driven by a passion and see the world
in absolutes.
You have probably been asked this before, however, do your opinions come
from your experiences in Myanmar ?
regards...Ken
"James" <...@y34g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
Hi Mogyothwar,
Well, my proposal was a serious one. So I left it to you to make up
your mind. That is your right, your freedom of choice. Both you and I
are living in the West (though you are Burmese by origin) and we are
free to decide for ourselves and we have freedom of speech. That is
why you and I represent ourselves, not so much the country we live in.
We are individually responsible for our own deeds, choices and
opinions, not for those of other people in our country. Well, you
chose to defend and support your government (not the English one), I
don't, I am an international human rights activist without borders. I
don't dispute or deny your right to freedom of speech, but I will
attack you on _what_ you allege with regard to the disputed policies
of the Burmese military government. As long as you continue to support
denial of freedom to the Burmese people and all other abuses of the
criminal government you will have to endure me; it is your conscious
choice to take a position in which you can expect opposition or you
should not be here. So stop calling me names, abusive words are
childish and no arguments, be a man (?) and react to what I say
instead of avoiding those issues that I raise. My offer still stands.
At any time you may decide to accept it. Just let me know.
I hope, maybe in the near future you will get to see that your
position regarding the political and social circumstances in Burma is
based on lies, deception, intimidation, indoctrination and oppression
by the government. I will welcome the day when you will experience
that you were misinformed. At the moment you probably would say that I
am wrong and you are right, referring to many material achievements,
law and order, unity and stability and the outcome of the 2008
referendum, while disregarding or denying the fraud. But instead of
believing me on my word I would suggest you to ask the Burmese people
themselves about it. Don't believe me, believe the Burmese people!
I would not so much suggest asking the Burmese people inside Burma as
they, in my view, don't dare to speak out freely. So I would strongly
suggest you to directly ask the Burmese people outside Burma about it,
especially the refugees in other countries like Thailand; they can
testify (more) freely about it. If you can't go there to approach them
personally then at least read the reports that they have written or
that were written on behalf of them, observe the truth from the
source. Or would you say that you don't believe anything of what those
people have declared? Or do you still maintain that the oppression is
justified in view of similar oppression and human rights violations
elsewhere? Or would you suggest that at least I shoudn't be opposing
it in view of the many human rights abuses elsewhere in the world (by
for example the US, the UK, China, North Korea)? Do you mean that I
should better refrain from fighting human rights violations in (the
very distant) Burma and that I rather should concentrate on such
violations nearby?
Here is a suggestion for a report on Burmese refugeees, that you can
use as a replacement for a personal encounter to Thailand.It concerns
autobiographies of former political prisoners having fled from Burma:
http://www.aappb.org/Women%20Political%20Prisoners%20in%20Burma.pdf .
The statements in there are quite contradictory to what you seem to
believe. Now, you tell me what I should believe in your view: reports
like those, written by people describing their own experiences or your
extolling viewpoints about living in Burma, written from your English
palace? You could say to me something like "anyone could write that
and put it on the internet", yes, that applies to you too of course;
at least one of the two is lying, deliberately or not. In this
newsgroup I only have your statements and those of a handful of other
junta supporters in this forum, while I have many more statements of
people supporting the Burmese opposition, both within and outside this
forum. Who would I believe do you think? Last but not least I myself
am a direct witness to clear deception by the junta; noone, not even
you, can deny what I perceived personally. I have asked you for a
reaction to my report on that deception on election results many, many
times. You didn't dare to comment on it, you rather ignored the
question.
In the past I have announced writing about the discussion going on in
the newsgroup soc.culture.burma in the Alternative New Light of
Myanmar, see my postings of 1 and 2 September 2008 with subjects "if
Suu Kyi was left off the agenda , and UN can talk a lot with Myanmar"
and "Johnny comes lately!". I did so in the 12th @NLM
in the
article "The sound of silence". I also more than once challenged you
to respond to specific issues that I raised, which you didn't, you
kept your mouth shut about them. You more than once challenged me to
have your ideas published in the @NLM as an article. I would like to
basicly accept your challenge and to discuss such an option now.
First of all you have to know that the @NLM is mainly intended for two
groups of people. The @NLM is written, published and distributed to
the common Burmese people inside Burma in the first place. This is
done via email; the English language may be an obstacle, but there are
quite a lot of Burmese inderstanding English and in the past some of
my articles have been translated into Burmese and published on the
internet (you may still find them with Google). The main intention is
to let them know that they are not forgotten, that the world, at least
many people, organisations and countries are aware of them and their
suffering, care for them and fight for them through diplomatic
channels and publications of human rights organisations. In the second
place the @NLM is also mailed to many government organisations of
Burma, ministries and embassies to let the criminal junta know that
they are being watched and criticised. (A third group consists of
people and organisations outside Burma, but that is just for their
information, it is not the main target group.)
These main goals should be met at all times, they are the basis of the
@NLM. Because of that an isolated, entirely pro-junta article would
not suit at all and make the readers confused and suspicious. So I
would consider some article with pro and contra arguments for the
junta's policies, the obviously different interpretations about the
truth around facts and the motives for taking the different positions.
I would like to challenge you to draw up such an article in
cooperation with me. Together we might create such an article by
exchanging drafts via our private email addresses. Only when we would
finally completely agree about the text I would publish it in a
forthcoming @NLM. Would you like that? I know, I would also be editor-
in-chief next to being a co-author.
So I am inviting you to send me a concise draft with your views. I am
saying 'concise' as I expect it yet will gradually grow and I know you
by now. Without changing your mind I would propose you to discuss
(some of) the following subjects, views, facts, interpretations and
motives, disputed of not, that we could give our (differing) views
about. I don't think it will be in the form of a discussion, but the
more in the form of an independent report on the pros and cons of the
Burmese junta as seen by a junta supporter and a junta adversary.
Important issues may be:
- your general opinion on violations of human rights all over the
world, your (dis)approval;
- your view on Western countries in general, their foreign policies,
colonialism and supposed human rights violations;
- your view on the victim's testimonies and reports of (specific)
human rights abuses (raping, robbing, torturing, killing) in Burma;
- your general view on the military government in Burma, their
national policy and their earnestness, credibility (loving kindness);
- your views on law and order, unity and stability, patriottism and
Union Spirit;
- your view about the NLD and ASSK since the last 20 years;
- your view and explanation of your view on the issue of "political"
prisoners, including ASSK;
- your opinion on the 'violent crackdown' of the demonstrations
against the raise of fuel prices in September 2007;
- your view about the intentions of the junta around the 1990
elections and its consequences;
- your view about the National Convention, the Constitution and the
2008 referendum;
- your reaction on the alleged deception by the junta on the 1990
election results by me in 12th @NLM, 30 Sep 2008;
- your view on the (supposed lack of) freedom of speech and criticism,
individual, collective (press, demonstration);
- your view on the (supposed) criminal dictatorship and oppression of
the people (see my list of crimes on 27 August 2008 in
soc.culture.burma, subject "Begging won't save Burma (editorial)";
- your view on the (alleged) forced joining of the army, including by
children;
- your view on the Rohingyas, Karens and the handling of them by the
government;
- your expectations for the near future under a (mainly) military
government;
- your own explanations, motives, reasons or goals to support the
junta unconditionally;
- and what you could add too, what you think is important and basic.
I of course would insert my views and motives and try to find the core
of the disagreements. It should become a comprehensive article (not
too large) on the main differing opinions between you as a junta
supporter and me as a human rights activist. During the drafting
process I may repeatedly ask you for explanation and clarification of
certain points; you may ask me too.
Well, these indeed are many important suggestions already. Let's hope
for a fruitful cooperation as a positive result of the endless
discussions in the newsgroup soc.culture.burma . Please email me
personally about your willingness to share your views together with
mine for a larger audience than this discussion forum.
Regards,
James Russell Brownwood
Jame...@Gmail.com
http://jrburma.surge8.com
On 1 May, 6:12 am, mogyothwar <...@globalnet.co.uk
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On Fri, 1 May 2009 15:10:05 -0700 (PDT), James <...@gmail.com
Hi Ken,
Yes, it is a passion like it is with many human rights activists. That
is how I feel about it. No, I don't see the world in absolutes, black
and white only. I do see and recognise gray shades and black and white
running through each other (e.g. in the West itself). I do recognise a
lot of the criticism of Mogyothwar regarding human rights violations
by other countries elsewhere in the world. But here it is about Burma
and to me violations in one country do not justify violations in
another one. Of course the violations in the first country should also
be criticised and fought. But I am here for Burma only. There already
are a lot of people and organisations fighting the human rights abuse
in Burma, just like there are a lot fighting it in other countries. I
can't handle them all at a time and I don't need to. Independent of my
background and my nationality I just happened to choose Burma (after
the violent crackdown of the peaceful demonstrations in September
2007). No, I have never been to Burma.
My criterion is that every violation of human rights is despicable in
the absolute sense: where people are (severly) suffering, be at the
mercy of other people violently forcing their will upon them, there
their human rights are violated, there a human rights activist comes
in. At the same time I know that it is very difficult to change
anything on my own. With the @NLM I only want to comfort the people in
Burma as far as possible, which, I know, succeeds. Together will all
activists and human rights organisation it may be possible to induce
(minor or gradual) changes in Burma. You (and others reading this) may
know that I am aware of my rather powerless situation. I can only
ventilate my views here (soc.culture.burma) and in the @NLM. I can't
do more, but it is more than nothing.
Besides, I am the kind of pacifist activist. I only want to fight with
words, not at all with physical violence. I despise and disapprove
violence, abusing and killing. That is my own feeling and desire,
which to me is part of my Christian conviction. I believe in love, not
only between a few people, but also between many people, ethnic
groups, races, nations (e.g. reconciliation between Hutus and Tutsis
in Rwanda). I believe that love can conquer rather than violence.
Without expecting much impact of what I do, I feel I have to strive
for peace and freedom this way, while I am aware of the practical,
realistic feasibility. That is my motive to continue and never give
up. Yet you may regard me as a passionate idealist if you like, a
'rosy dreamer' like Burmansoldier often has said and he is right about
that. I hope the people in Burma may experience some substantial
improvement of their situation in the near future. That is all I can
say; I am praying for that. I hope you'll understand.
Regards,
James Russell Brownwood
Jame...@Gmail.com
http://jrburma.surge8.com
On May 1, 12:54 pm, "Island Teak" <...@shaw.ca>[...]
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On Mon, 4 May 2009 10:00:04 -0700, "Island Teak" <...@shaw.ca
Hello James,
As we are both not from Myanmar we can only go by our experiences or
impressions. We can probably agree on that. ;-)
My objection to your point of view has more to do with your 'call to arms'
for non Myanmar people than than your other statements.
The numerous organized groups living within Myanmar have the physical
(military) ability to cause political change within Myanmar's borders if
they choose to, however, these groups, including the NLD supporters, do not
have enough in common to make that change. Until the various groups within
Myanmar want to effect change we (the outsiders) should respect the will of
their majority.
You mentioned the 2007 'crackdown'. All, but the most narrow minded, were
amazed with the control the Junta showed during this period.
Compare what happened in '07 with what happened in Myanmar '88, then in
China in '89 and in Thailand in '92 . Many of us expected another massacre
in Yangon and were amazed at the restraint shown by the Tatmadaw.
regards...Ken
"James" <...@f19g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
Hi Ken,
Yes, it is a passion like it is with many human rights activists. That
is how I feel about it. No, I don't see the world in absolutes, black
and white only. I do see and recognise gray shades and black and white
running through each other (e.g. in the West itself). I do recognise a
lot of the criticism of Mogyothwar regarding human rights violations
by other countries elsewhere in the world. But here it is about Burma
and to me violations in one country do not justify violations in
another one. Of course the violations in the first country should also
be criticised and fought. But I am here for Burma only. There already
are a lot of people and organisations fighting the human rights abuse
in Burma, just like there are a lot fighting it in other countries. I
can't handle them all at a time and I don't need to. Independent of my
background and my nationality I just happened to choose Burma (after
the violent crackdown of the peaceful demonstrations in September
2007). No, I have never been to Burma.
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On Mon, 4 May 2009 15:10:06 -0700 (PDT), James <...@gmail.com
Hi Ken,
Yes, we (have to) deal with the information coming from the internet,
from international news agencies, from Burmese news agencies (the
regular English language NLM), from testimonies, reports of abuse from
victims of the regime, from direct contacts (if you have them too) and
from our own direct observations (if you have those too). We also have
to weigh the interpretations and explanations of both the junta
supporters (e.g. in this newsgroup) and the opposition to shape our
own standpoints and views.
What do you mean by "call to arms"? I call upon help, Burmese
included, from outside Burma, but I don't call for armed help, for a
violent solution to the distatorship, a civil war or something like
that. I use the weapon of verbal criticism, persuasion.
I doubt whether there currently is sufficient physical power of all
armed groups in Burma to successfully fight the army and the
dictators. There apparently is insufficient cooperation and agreement
among the various opposition groups. This is a disadvantage.
Furthemore, what do you mean by "the will of their majority"? Do you
refer to the results of the 2008 referendum? You must know what a kind
of scam that was. I support the will of the Burmese people as far as I
perceive that will.
The 'crackdown' of 2007 may have been relatively small, measured in
amounts of people killed, wounded and arrested initially, compared to
the other crackdowns that you mention (and you could even give more
examples), but it still was an evil crackdown of a peaceful
demonstration and it is of course not the only crime of the junta. I
think that you are judging the situation in Burma too positive and too
much as a conflict between equal parties. There is no equal balance.
Regards,
James Russell Brownwood
Jame...@Gmail.com
http://jrburma.surge8.com
On May 4, 1:00 pm, "Island Teak" <...@shaw.ca> regards...Ken[...]
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Anonymous Wrote:
you said, you dont see the world in absolute but you have shown in
your opinion- idealistic absolutist do-gooder
you said, you are passionate about human rights but you seem only to
look at from one side based on above stance
you said you have never been to myanmar let alone to know the reality
of myanmar politics then why are you preaching something you dont even
really know first hand?
all I can say is " easier said than done" my dear armchair analyst/
dogooder/expert in myanmar politic.
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On Sat, 2 May 2009 05:25:23 -0700 (PDT), James <...@gmail.com
Hi FD,
Glad to comment on you. The absolute part briefly concerns the view on
the repression by a (small) group of armed and violent people of a
(larger) group of unarmed, peaceful ones against their will. That is
the one-sided position that I take, it is not a political choice, but
a humanitarian one. I know a lot from first hand testimonies by
private contacts with Burmese people. Above all I have my own direct
observations of the junta's deception (from the regular NLM) as I've
told quite often.
Armchair activist? Well I am in the privileged position to live in a
free country, where I am not oppressed. From there I observe the
injustice in other parts of the world. In what position are you?
Regards,
James Russell Brownwood
Jame...@Gmail.com
http://jrburma.surge8.com
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On Sat, 2 May 2009 11:27:34 -0700 (PDT), mogyothwar <...@globalnet.co.uk
On May 2, 1:25 pm, James <...@gmail.com
James,
“ Shall we change roles ” he asked ? What a stupid question, I never
you are that much stupid. AS I have said I have nothing to learn from
you.
How true it is “ and we are free to decide for ourselves and we have
freedom of speech.” Then who the hell are you to tell people of
Myanmar what to decide? To decide in your favour or else? That is
what your country and your government is doing to put pressures on the
people of Myanmar to decide in favour of the west, to decide in favour
of those who are pro west. Is that why economic sanctions are imposed
on Myanmar on 57 million plus people of Myanmar? Is that what all the
embargos are about ? Just who the hell you are , you are
contradicting yourself when you talk like that.
Nobody is joking, What makes you think I am joking or not serious?
Evry word I say, every sentence, every paragraph I wrote are serious.
It is not “ Nga Zgar Nwar Ya ”, no I don’t think you understand that.
Ask any Myanmar near you. I am more serious than you are, I am more
serious then you thought of me. Because this is about my country and
these are my people you are talking about. When I talk about your
country and your people and your govern . I was not really talking
about them. I was merely comparing them with my country and my
people. I know where the lines are.
I live in the west , it true, I work for my living, I pay my duties. I
am not “ Free Loading”, like some opposition members are doing .I am
not a refugee, I am not an asylum seeker, I have no reasons to be
one. Surely I am not enjoying my life on the expense of my own
people, or on their miseries, which the west and pro west or
anglophiles are doing to them. I leave them as ignorant, because they
don’t know what they are doing. That’s why I come in to give them the
right education. If I may say so. To keep them away from people like
you. That is one of the reason I am replying to you. e them. Don’t
come to your own conclusions, you plonk.
Through my local MP( member of parliaments) I submit my views on the
policy of the British Government , Because I n write and I can read
English reasonable, and I understand it well enough . That is my
rights, I am exercising my rights in a right way as well as my
responsibility to the country, my loyalty to the country I am living.
I can express my view in writing . I don’t just piss air, to impress
others. I don’t believe in that .
The fact is , now you know, that I will gain nothing, I will lose
nothing , whatever happens to Myanmar and its people . My concern is
my people and my country. And to let, all other governments know ,
that there are many other alternatives ways and means. Only thing they
need is their will.
Unfortunately , they are in big shit, they can hardly breath, let
alone about Myanmar. Everything is Maung Po in his place, and the
Tiger in its place. No more no less. They are never sure NLD will be
their poodle, their puppet. May be they have in their mind, to let
Russia and PR China take care of Myanmars, look after Myanmar. Have
you thought of that? That’s what happened after WW II. Divide the
world into two empires united States and U.S.S R. Am I going too fast
for you James?
I am abiding the laws, the rules, regulations and procedures. I pay my
dues.
I have my freedom of speech , That does not mean I can say what I
like , that does not me I can do what I like. I know, I can say and do
as far as the laws allow me, not beyond that. I want some my people
to understand that very thoroughly. Stick and carrots are
everywhere , for every occasions, for every purpose.
I have my rights , even to kill somebody, if necessary, in defence of
myself, to protect myself and my family, to protect my property, I can
use that right to a certain extent. I know my rights, I also know my
right has it limit. Rights is rights, but you have to understand it.
That was why I said in one of my message, to “understand ”, how
important the “understanding” is. Only this understanding , thorough
understanding will solve the problems James, not the rights, not the
force. Keep that in your head. Tell you people as well, tell your
government . OK?
On the other hand, CIA, FBI. MI5 , MI6 are reading our postings , they
may be filing some of them. . They may find something good and useful
for them , take what they need and leave the rests. They cannot
accused everyone who doesn’t agree with them terrorists. They can not
frame any one as terrorists, they cannot say, every one, women ,
children old and sick they killed are terrorists, or they killed them
as sympathizers.
I am not an academic, I am not an intellect , but I’ve been to
school , to seek knowledge, to know about basis of life. To help me in
real life in the field, at least that. The school I went did not teach
me only my rights, but my school taught me also my responsibilities
to myself , to my family to everyone around me, connected with me. To
my people and to my nation. There was no sex education either to fuck
around. Should I add. I was one of a few lucky ones, I should say.
My schools and my teachers did not teach me, especially to dictate
others, how to live their lives. To concentrate or dedicate on your
own life. They told me not to get involve in other people conflicts
stay away , well away from any betweens. Between husband and wife ,
between the straits, between brother and sister . They are the most
dangerous ones, I was told.
Besides , my belief of Buddhism told me what I should or should not
do , or the dos and don’ts , during my life till death do me part.
That, in every sense is called, “civilisation ”, my dear James . If
you follow that, you don’t need any other so called,
“ Civil Rights” like the one you all are talking about. The civil
Rights are for those who has no civil rights . In a country like
Myanmar , where the we have our own civil rights . Just because it
may not be the same as you would like to interpret it, or translate it
in your own western style . You don’t think we Myanmars are civilised
people. That is hard luck. What is your own civilisation may I ask?
If we are civilised people, we don’t need any special civil rights,
for us or for others , In a civilises society, these kinds of right do
not exist, they never existed.
Only in uncivilised country, among uncivilised society , where
civilisation has been taken over by the materialism. You need to
fight for civil rights. In another word. Where human rights were not
honoured , people need to fight for their rights.
So don’t be too proud and take pride, of your own country on this “
civil rights ”please. Also please don’t forget that, civil rights
leader, the late Rev. Martin Luther King Jr, did not die of natural
courses. I did not killed him , nor any Myanmar did that.
I have my rights, I have to use these rights in the right way, as
Buddha had preached us in Noble Fold Path. Among these rights there
are no such things such as , excuse my French , to fuck your own
mother, to fuck your own sister , and to fuck your own country. Let
alone to fuck other people and other peoples’ country. That much I
know.
You can correct me if I am wrong, your country is fucking other people
and other countries, in its own way. And that is what I see in your
people, in your country and in you. You are trying to fuck Myanmar.
You cannot fuck because of SPDC, you tried to fuck SPDC first and get
rid of it, so that you can fuck the whole country .
BTW, don’t try and tell me I am rude for using this word as vulgar ,
and make drama out of it. . In fact the very word “ Fuck ” is
everyday usage , especially in your own country, and by your own
people, you own society. Yes? If you don’t like it educate them. Be
an educator to them. If only you can understand Myanmar language,
you will know who is using what words in this forum., what can you do
about it James? What can you possibly do about it?
If we Myanmars have no bad experience before , if we do not know why
the little girl Mi Aye, was fucked twice, we would have believe you ,
we would have accepted you as a friend. Yet we are seeing what you or
are doing to other countries right at this moment. There are many
thing you don’t know about your country how it treated Union of
Myanmar. Find out by yourself. If I have to tell you, It would be my
telling,
This is Twenty First century, people are not fools, no stupid, idiots,
though there may be some. Hamed Kaizai of Afghanistan, Maliki of
Iraq, they are living on the borrowed time , breathing with your
countries nose. US can never leave those countries alone. It will be
in the end like U.S.S.R. had to leave Afghanistan. Kaizia and Maliki
will have a chance to chose any tree or lamp posts, they like. Have
you learned the profile of those countries yet James, why don’t you
have a quick look?
There is another one in Myanmar , the Ingalate Mayer, or an
Anglophile.
You know yourself when you said, “ We are individually responsible
for our own deeds, choices and opinions, not for those of other people
in our country”. That is if you know what you are talking about. Do
you know what you are talking about , do you understand what you
yourself is talking about?
Did you see how some people are using their rights of freedom, in this
forum . Have you notice that . You didn’t look around , did you? You
don’t even know what is happening to this soc.culture.myanmar, You can
leave that to the rights of the individuals.
That’s where I said, knowing your rights, and doing the right things
are different. is for you to be free to fuck my country and people
freely.
The freedom you want if for you to be free, for your country to be
free ,so that you can fuck my country, and my people and other
countries. The same as you are donin to day and all the past.
If you really think the Myanmars or others are not free, leave them
alone let them sort it out by themselves. Remember you people and your
country m where they came from.
Possibility is you were not there when your fore fathers and fore
mothers made that country into a nation, let alone you. You are only
laying the carpet on their blood , sweat and tears and sleeping on
it. Don’t give me , that impression, ever I don’t buy it.
I have said there are many issues , big issues in your own country ,
people like me see them . I have to look at your country to see things
to compare with my country. Because some of your people talk too much
about my people and my country, when they come to their own country
and their own people, as if they are in heaven and as if they are all
angles on earth.
There is no yellow bricks road in your country James, let alone gold.
In Myanmar there is no yellow bricks roads either , but if you want to
see real gold, touch real gold , you better go to Myanmar. They are
there , no imitation no artificial . We Myanmar know how and what “
Gold Rush ”in your country. To whom these Gold belonged to, as well.
So if you want to talk about these and many other things. I mean about
your country and your own people , it may be wise for you to pick
another man, definitely not me, I am the wrong guy for you.
You n raise any thing , I can raise anything. As I have said above,
your country is not heaven on earth, your country has its own issues,
your government has it sit own problem. done many things which are
not acceptable by humanity by any standard.
Your country and your people always relied and depended on force. With
force your fore parents built your country for you, it was not on
democracy, it was not on human rights. You are welcome to check it.
I will continue to support whoever I want, that is my right, within my
country, among my people. Tell that to your Republicans, and the
Democrats in your own country who are your own people.
I always believe the Freedom, but this Freedom is within the frame,
that’s what I always believe.
If there is somebody who has been misinformed, it must be you. Your
own admission
You pick up your information from the “ internet ”. You must know
accredited news agencies , as well as non accredited news agencies are
all fed by opposition. What do you expect from them James? I have
asked you, have you ever tried to check them out, through other
sources or official sources? You believe what you want to believe, I
believe what I an t to believe. Who is right, who is wrong is not the
question. What you believe or what you do not believe is always the
question.
Just because you are a child, you think others are children like you.
Well what can I say. Before we die we come to a stage where our mind
get back to the young age, they called it senile , don’t they? Not at
my age, yet mate . Some times I call you names , yes, but they are not
rude, I assure you. If only you know what they call me, what others
could call you. If they dislike you . That’s is why I want you to
watch soc.culture.myanmar closely and ask somebody who knows the
Myanmar language.
I have said it once above.
Do you want to say, its got nothing to do with you , where their
usages are concern. If that is the case, Myanmar’s issues, and affairs
of Myanmars are nothing to do with you James. Is that fair enough?
You can be a good Christian in your own country, and be a service to
your own people ho still need your help desperately. Leave Myanmars
alones. Myanmar who most of them are Buddhists, they can look after
themselves by their own way, thank you very much.
Aren’t you getting tired of singing the same old song James ? I don’t
know about you, but I am fed up of hearing you singing the same.
Do you want to play as a Saviour, a Messiah ? No harm in trying, but
we don’t need you, simply because you are not one of us. Not even
ASSK, she does not think like us, she does not speak like us, she does
not do like us , in many ways Only thing is she looks like us. As a
matter of fact, all South East Asian are look alike don‘t you think?
Don’t forget some Polynesians .
A citizen duty is to defend and protect his own people and his own
nation. Don’t blame me for doing my diti as Myanmar citizen. I have
said it before , right or wrong Myanmar is my country, right or wrong
Myanmars are my people. Among our own people we may have our
differences, but when people like you involve, it could get worse.
That is why we simply do not want you to get involve.
“Challenge”, is not the kind word I would like to use, I don’t
challenge anybody, I don’t accept any challenges. I am not born on the
streets. If you want me to put that way. I believe in democracy , but
not the democracy on the streets. I believe in rights ,
which comes with responsibility.
I don’t like people who dictates others while they are calling other
dictators. I dislike people who talks about freedom, fair and justice,
while they are take away others freedom, who are unfair on others, who
are unjust on others.
I use all my two eyes which God has given to use, to see things
clearly, properly. He gave me two eyes, in case one could go wrong. I
look around to see the whole picture, if needs be I use spectacles,
plain one, but not tinted ones. It reminds me, the other day I saw
the photograph of US President B. Hussein Obama and his wife watching
films with the help of three dimension ( 3D) specs. Do you know what
that means by 3D?
If we can watch the whole world through 3D specs, we will see, the
whole picture of the world and what is happening in it , more clearly.
Then you might get shocks, unbelievable things are happening in the
world, there is nothing you can do about it , but talk and talk, or
piss and piss your air. Don’t try and solve those problems, if you do
and if they are solved , you will be out of a job, you will be
redundant. So leave them as they are, create more chaos, more
problems, at least in other countries, like Myanmar, at least you will
have something to do for four to five years, may be more.
Is that what you are trying to do James, be honest to yourself. I
don’t know about other, s long as there are people like you, there
will be people like me.
AS I have said it before. Your country, your people , your leader,
without the strong US army behind them, without the most modern,
sophisticated weapon of mass destructions, they are nothing, they are
absolutely nothing. I have also said it before, you country can never
solved any problems , created by it or by others with the brain. They
may solve them with the guns, temporarily.
Without, these most modern and sophisticated weapons of mass
destructions, they are bully everybody. They are threatening
everybody, they are harassing everybody. The world can do nothing, but
show tits disapprovals, everyday. What do you care, do you really
what the world thinks about you, your country, your peopleJames. Be realistic. Be a man, a real man, not just so called a man
with a prick, or rhythm stick in your between. Do you understand?
Don’t be proud, and take pride to conquer over weaker people, weaker
nations .
As a matter of fact, North Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, including
Afghanistan and Iraq, are very weak nations in everyway incomparable
to your country’s mights, especially military might, yet the US had
his allies including, Britain, Australia and some other. Some
Southeast Asian countries , Thailand and Philippines were lending
hands to US to use their military facilities. But US and its allies
could not beat the patriotic spirit of those people . US may had won
the battles, but it did not win the war against Communists, or
Communism yet, it is a proven facts. You can see that do you?
When the Communists takes the advantage of democracy. You country and
your people have nothing more to say. They have nothing more to do,
simply because they can do nothing.
You can only bully to those who you can bully, there are those who you
cannot bully. So watch out James. Besides, the world have seen, the
strong and weakness of your country, and your people. They made the
note of it. War is counter productive. G.W Bush was, no better then
Hitler. He did not have gas chambers, he did not send millions to gas
chambers, but he did send millions to hell. You can deny if you want
to James , he and Tony Blair of Great Britain and their so called
allies were lying . Every body know that . They acted on false
information, they acted on lies reports . They lied to the world ,
they lied to the United Nations. Do you think these will go away just
like that. Because your country is strong in everyway?
In my view, your country is too bloody weak, no guts, no courage , not
even like Adolf Hitler. Hitler did it on his own alone, right or
wrong, Mossolini and Japan joined later with their own interests. it
can’t do anything on its own , it has to have accomplices. It was
the Atom bombs invented by the Jew Richard Oppenheimer’s shorten the
WWII. The war never ended , do you know that. It still is going on.
starting from Korea in the east, Starting from Israel in the middle
east. Can you tell me please, since 1945 , how many days or weeks
the world was free from wars?
If you was the President of US , you may challenge Russia, you may
challenge Peoples Republic of China , which has the same military
might as your country has. Are you really proud and take pride, of
being an American? You would , I am not surprise. Americans are
Americans black or white, they are no difference.
As , I have stated, you have your prepared questions and prepared
answers. I don’t have to answer anything, you don’t need my answers.
You don’t like my answers, you will never like them, why are you
wasting time ? I have no objecting you living in your little world.
I notice that you don’t understand a word I was saying, I don’t expect
you to , now I know. Even you understand what I am talking about, you
will still say what you want to say.
You may be using me as a target for your practice, to say what you
want . You do it , I know you have nobody to talk to . I don’t want
to know who you are really. If I told you that I am resurrected Jesus
Christ , would you have believed me ?
BTW, have you ever governed a house of your own , a family of your
own? Have you ever taken any responsibility, for your country, and for
your people? Say what you like.
Human rights violation are everywhere, yes everywhere, including your
own country, by your own people , you don’t need to high light on
Myanmar or China, or Russia or N. Korea or somewhere else. Why, why,
and why?
My questions are the same , you forgot to answer, or did not bother to
answer. I am asking again , who are the human beings, Americans,
Europeans, Africans, Asians?
Whose rights are we talking about , Americans, Europeans, African or
Asians?
Who are actually violating human rights of the human beings,
Americans, Europeans, Africans , Asians ?
I don’t demand any answer from you, James, as long as you know, know
it quietly, I will be glad, don’t tell me, because I know
already.
Why it has to be , “ YOU and ME ” ? We don’t have to agree on
anything, we will never agree on anything. Because you are you, I am
me, and you and I are not of the same kind. There are many things you
don’t like about me. To be honest, and to be frank, I am not here for
you to like me. I am not here to make love with you or to you. That
is not rude, James, that is the truth. Who cares , you like me or
not. Do you care whether I like you or not? I can post what I like.
Just because I reply to you as a courtesy, to be in civilised manner,
don’t get any idea, you have your control over me. When I have you in
my vision, words come out automatically, on their own. My fingers
finds keys to type the right words, to make you understand.
You don’t care if I care you or not. Believe me I am not posting ,
because of you.
I am here to let the people, my people of young generation to see the
real Myanmar, the real people of Myanmar, to make them understand the
realities of Myanmar and its people and also about a few other who
thinks they are superior race, treating Myanmar still as their colony,
and Myanmars as colonial slaves. I am here to let them see what a “
neo-colonialism.”. I am here to let them know what a leopard is, and
what does it look like, understand?
So I told you, Myanmars were not consider as human being by your
country, by your government . The only human they are talking about
are ASK and he fellows. Only their rights , they are talking about
while they are denying 57 million plus people of Myanmar, they are
denying the progress and development of all Myanmars and the nation .
If they expect SPDC or my government to surrender to their
unreasonable demands, they are wrong. There are Myanmars like me who
know what is oil, and what is water., who knows what is head and what
is tail .
James, lastly, but not the least , do you know why I did not respond
to you earlier, because I know you are not my equal. You are the empty
one. I an see it i9n your writings. So are others, they know what
kind of quality you are and what kind of qualification, you have.
There are many other Myanmars who know more than you, who are more
qualified than you, who are more intelligent than you are. Don’t be
offended , that is true.
My father told me once, don’t be please and proud or take pride,
because a thousand unworthy people praised you, cheered you, or
honoured you , but take heat of just one worthy person condemn you,
criticises you. dishonour you .
Well that one person is not you James I know for fact, you are not
even nearer or close to that one person. You are one of those thousand
unworthy people.
Please free , if you like to publish my postings, in your New Light of
Myanmar. Let your reader have something different, for a change.
Don’t you think they deserve that , their rights, as human rights. Not
only to your same old boring ones . Are you yellow, have you guts to
do that? If that what you call a challenge. So be it.
If you don’t mind, I noticed that in your reply to FD, , your words
were “the repression by a (small) group of armed and violent people
”.
Here I want to put a question. What do you call US led armed group,
ganging up on other small weaker countries Like I have said above.
Yellow bellies could not do it by themselves. They were afraid,
somebody might confront them. If they were on their own and alone they
would not survive , so they gang up and use the name as the world.
They called themselves ,“ the world ” and misused even the United
Nations. They spit on United Nations and they insulted its members.
They fucked the whole United nation they fucked the whole world .
Its nice, very nice to educate you and alike, You need to learn more
about your own country, your own people,and about your own
government . If you want to have serious talk with me, James
Mogyothwar..
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On Sun, 03 May 2009 19:28:34 +1000, Sao Kyaw Min <...@hushmail.com
( plonk above)
sheer rubbish
at the same time, blame every bad things the world sees about Burma on his manufactured Lies. All blame-on-British
is his favourite theme throughout for over a decade-long worthless writings.
another garbage.
now enjoying usual pensioner's benefits,(occasional has a row with Social Welfare Department for over and false, fraud
claims, an old senile being an outcast where he lives because of his contemptible views, wrong attitudes,
those who got educations in Burma prior to 1965,(when late evil Ne Win started downgrading English teachings at all
schools from elementary to degree-levels)can write and speak English like he is doing and mostly in his writings he
ridiculed, chided other Burmese for poor English writings as uneducated, ignorants.He attacked them in that despicable
style while he is fully aware that those Burmese had to go through different education system (without learning basic
English up to Uni's entrance.)During transition, typical propagandas was in high-gears like Mogyothwar is doing here-
Union spirit, getting rid of colonial education system blah blah blah (in other word - brain-wash)
Early '80,late dictator Ne Win's favourite daughter Dr.Sandar Win (now imprisoned by present evil) flunked(*) an English
language paper,part of Professional and Language Assessment Board (PLAB)'s examination, as a requisite for medical
doctors to further their studies in UK for Advanced Medicine.Then he made a U-turn and all children has to learn English
from kindergarten again.(can read USA News Magazine - cover- page article -American used the word flunked(*) instead of
failed ).And this present junta made another U turn with patriotic slogans and now Burma's fresh graduates are like
imbecile toetoe .
(pure craps)
When he said he believes in Buddha's teachings - correct response is one of the old English saying :" Tell it to the
marines".There are so many Burmese buddhists ,like him, practices in opposite ways, a few here :,
--- cheats,lies daily and at the end of the day they clasp their hands in front of Buddha's statue for forgiveness and
thanks for business success and the next day go on doing cheating, swindling, (like present evil Thug Shwe,do bad things
such as stealing taxpayers money and build pagoda 'cos he doesn't need to explain to the nation for all his actions with
state's funds).Late Ne Win also did the same in his waning days by building pagoda.This way they successfully hijacked
Buddha's teachings for political purposes and most Buddhists have no problem with that but heartily accept it as they
themselves are more or less doing it on daily basis and sadly not realising these are un-Buddhism.
We know that every now and then, this mogyothwar quotes Buddha's teachings in his bs writings, attempting to portray
himself as pious Buddhists to other ignorants, these acts are indeed despicable and hijack Buddha's teachings.
-- some of his writings has a deplorable personal hatred - tirades extended towards ASSK and mixed with some quotes of
Buddha's teachings .That shows how sick this monster is.
Why not he advocates this to his superiors he is working for a penny.Can Burmese living in Burma can access to this ng ?
When there was an outcry for satellite tv fees after the military brutally cracked down on Monks' protests , he wrote
that his junta could switch-off these satellite transmission any time.
(CNN might file class actions suit against these military thugs for collecting Fees and giving them a bad names in future)
(irrelevant)
(Unable to avoid quotes from Buddha's teachings and vulgar language)
All belows are same rubbish .
> Mogyothwar..
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On Sat, 02 May 2009 13:57:49 +1000, Myo Aung <...@google.com
Of course, he lacks first-hand experiences compared to you.
You were once Burmese, now what Kiwi ?
You had blood in your hands when you took part in ethnics cleansing
of Rohingyas under late Ne Win's orders.
But, don't let Honourable Winston Peters knows your past crimes
in Burma.
> dogooder/expert in myanmar politic.
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Anonymous Wrote:
Oh well, another "akyar amyin" who knows who I am!!! how interesting,
due to long ago attica.net, DoAyay guys started assuming I must be
from NZ then some got some clues and said I am from USA then some
found some routing and said I am from UK!! how interesting indeed, no
wonder how all you guys are still shouting loud foul-mouth, social
warefare collecting, begging specialists socalled activists!!!
anyway, nice to see a comment about Winston Peters, but do mind you,
that do not let him know YOU ARE ASIAN. ok. I think he might be taking
more serious action on you!!
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On Thu, 7 May 2009 03:51:03 -0700 (PDT), mogyothwar <...@globalnet.co.uk
Deare Myanmar Myo Chit , Patriots,
I could not help noticing that since James came on the scene, Soe Kyaw
Min followed behind him,
Where James goes, SKM follows behind him, like a dog''s tail.
When James writes to me, or I write to james, Soe Kyaw Min is there
to answer.
James said he is an American, SKM said he is Shan -Tayote.
As a Myanmar who studies alittle bit of Myanmar history ( Thamaing) I
can see the connections there.
I can also see what is or is not under their thick skull. Don't we
all?
But since I pointed out, I notioce that Sao Kyaw Min is changing in
the right way.
His viewsm his opinions his comments,and his critics are irrelevent.
Because in politic, we have to say what we have to say
.We have to do what we have to do We don't have to agree, we can only
agree to disagree.
So that everybody can see two sides of the story, two sides of the
coin.
Which means the realities.
You have to decide, yourdecision will be the final.
I would not be here otherwise.
Regards,
MGT..
Suporise to know
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