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Challenge to dispute my essential criticism on Burmese politics
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On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 07:37:36 -0700 (PDT), James <...@gmail.com
Hi BaldEagle and noname Dot At Home and other SCB readers,
I have never said to be American or not. I only have said that I am
from the West and that I am a human rights activist. My nationality
and place of dwelling are not important. My background, Christian,
human and knowing what freedom is, is. I have explained this many
times, but I can imagine that some (new) readers may have missed it.
I have never said to support the American (or Western) foreign policy
(completely) or not. I have said to be against any imprisonment
without trial, against any human rights violations, anywhere in the
world. You can't keep me responsible for and you can't use the HR
violations elsewhere as an excuse for the HR violations in Burma, that
you seem to admit there are. I don't compare injustice and atrocities
between various instances in the world; I judge them in the absolute
sense as unacceptable.
I am fighting the HR violations in Burma. It is not possible to view
the severe HR violations in Burma or any events happening there as a
national issue having to be recognised as such. In the case of HR
violations nationals borders do not apply and activists, foreign
governments and international organisations are entitled to criticise
them. I am standing up for (the majority of) the common Burmese people
and especially the opposition supporters and leaders who are the
victims of the hostile government.
Some junta supporters here on SCB, having read these basic points of
departure many times, still seem to ignore them and continue to attack
me in an improper way or come up with quite other stories (past
history of Burma, violence elsewhere) without discussing the essential
HR issues that I raise all the time. Others can't really object me and
instead call me names using vulgar terms; weak and not smart. I have
decided not to reply to those posters anymore (though such a decision
could always be reviewed) because that would be talking at cross-
purposes.
Enough about me, this is not about me. It is about Burma or rather my
and your views (and the alleged opinions of the junta) on the events
happening in Burma. That is what we are discussing, disputing. Now
reading your arguments, bioling down to defending the in your views
currently best political solution in Burma, I must say I do understand
what you try to make clear to me (no civil war, all people the same
goal, unity and obedience). But at the same time to me it looks rather
one-sided and unjustified while also viewing the atrocities that have
happened and still are happening in Burma. Are law and order, peace
and stability and more of those commonplaces worth to violate human
rights that much in Burma? If the situation would change now, if the
NLD would get power, wouldn't, during and after the change there be
law and order, peace and stability or not to that extent? Wouldn't the
NLD want democracy for 20 years already, much faster than the junta
alleges to strive for 'democracy'? What arguments do you have against
a democracy as desired by the opposition and the majority of the
people in 1990?
What is the motive for the generals to maintain their current power,
now and in the future? Personal benefit or the well-being of the
people? Why do they persecute ethnic groups, rob them, rape them, kill
them, commit genocide? Why didn't they accept all international offers
of help after the cyclone Nargis? Why don't they allow any form of
verbal criticism? Why don't they allow freedom of gathering, press,
(peaceful) demonstration? Why do they imprison people criticising them
nonviolently? Why don't they want national reconciliation? Why do they
apply such rigid laws, like in the case of ASSK's trial? Why is her
defence restricted that much? What kind of potential danger would she
represent, what (negative consequences) would happen, according to
you, if she would be released now?
What about the testimonies and reports on torture of (political)
prisoners? How do you view them, true or invented? What about the
deception regarding the results of the 1990 elections and 2008
referendum that I have observed myself in the NLM and reported about?
Do you think that I have exaggerated or interpreted and presented it
wrongly? Why does the NLM stress material development that much? Why
does the NLM adore the leaders that much (every time TS is referred
his complete official title, taking several lines, is repeated)? Why
does the NLM only report on inspections, celebrations and ceremonies
involving the military leaders in Burma (is that all there is)? To me
this very much looks like the propagandistic broadcasts of Radio
Moscow and Radio Peking in the past, then representatives of
totalitarian regimes.
Enough for now; I would appreciate you to comment on these issues, not
to attack me personally, not to ignore these issues and not to raise
other, much less important issues, whether in Burma or elsewhere. Take
it as another 'challenge' from me. Defend 'your' government with
respect to these essential events and policies. Explain why you don't
regard the junta as a rigid dictatorship and contradict the concrete
examples that I gave. Take your position. I really would appreciate
that. SCB is a completely free medium to discuss, dispute and
criticise. What would happen to me if I would publish my criticism
from inside Burma do you think and why?
Regards,
James Russell Brownwood
Jame...@Gmail.com
http://jrburma.surge8.com
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On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:59:08 -0700 (PDT), burmansoldier <...@gmail.com
Hi matha matha mathafcuker - who's continue fcuking own matha
uncountable times
WHAT THE FCUK you're doing, now?
You said - not to attack me personally
What THE FUCK were these - matha a thousand times fucker?????
Is there TS name echoing in SCB - matha a thousand times fcuker,
mathafcuker?????
Were you attacking personally someone? You don’t see OWN SHIT? Am I
right?
You don't attack people, personally????? What THE FCUK you're doing,
now?
Frankly, fcukin ur own matha will be much better than talking nonsense
saying 'not to attack me, personally', I believe!
Read below, and count how many times you fcuk your own mum?
I will consider that ur one fcukin hypocrite action is equivalent to
one time you fcuk ur own matha, I don't need to agree with you. Like
you, I'm also one-sided. But let people see WHAT THE FCUK you're doing
now, that's my intention - fair?
Are you better than TS, or much worse than TS?
I’m rude – that is the only language to make you understand – period!
The more you spit - The more YOU CHALLENGE - The more you sink in ur
own skewer – Understand mathafcuker!
WHAT THE FCUK you’re doing? WHAT THE FCUK will you be doing? Personal
attack? You mean, you don’t do it again, by offering us FULL APOLOGY?
What THE FCUK you were doing, in SCB?????
read below, wrote by mathafcuker
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read above, wrote by mathafcuker
mathafcuker,
The more you spit - The more YOU CHALLENGE - The more you sink in ur
own skewer – Understand mathafcuker!
We, Burmese, don't even need gloves to fight, bare hands will do the
same 'winning' - period!
On Jun 1, 10:37 pm, James <...@gmail.com
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 05:34:48 -0700 (PDT), James <...@gmail.com
Hi junta supporters, opposition supporters, HR activists and other SCB
readers,
It has been two days now since I challenged you, junta supporters in
particular, to dispute several elementary issues regarding official
Burmese politics and justice (NLD democracy, rigging and ignoring 1990
elections, deception and lies, junta's power addiction, dictatorship,
HR violations, abuse, atrocities (killing, persecution, genocide),
oppression, intimidation, lack of freedom (e.g. press) to express
criticism, political prioners, torture, rigid laws, fake ASSK trial,
overvaluation of material development and adoration of leaders,
indoctrinated patriottism and unity, no national reconciliation). It
has appeared that noone until now has accepted one of the challenges.
The only Burma related issues from junta supporters that I saw passing
by after a day of complete silence were some very speculative and
insulting fabrications on ASSK's recent experiences (like there have
been more of those on SCB), and personally flaming postings. My
conclusion is that the issues that I proposed are too hot, too
sensitive, too probable to be disputed, too true to be falsified.
On one hand it is a pity not being able to discuss the most important
matters about Burma with all parties, at least those matters that one
party values most important. Those subjects seem to be some kind of
taboo for the other party as that party can't gain reliability with
them (and often denies their existence or plays them out as necessary
for national security). On the other hand it yet is a sign, a
significant signal, that the raised issues indeed involve the most
relevant aspects of criticism on the Burmese junta and that they can't
be contradicted. All other issues raised on SCB are of much less
importance and often meant to distract from the real issues. To me,
and possibly other HR activists or opposition supporters as well, it
is an indication to be on the right side, making it worthwhile to
continue to disseminate the concerning ideas while attacking opponents
on their weak spots (not personally, but on their views).
In the recent past I have offered similar challenges that neither were
accepted due to their invincible character. The current case is
another important reinforcement of the same kind. It clearly is very
much justified to criticise the junta with regard to the main
(humanitarian) issues, that I proposed in my previous posting. And
that is what should be continued, both on SCB and in international
diplomatic spheres, until the junta can't save its face anymore. Less
important or fabricated matters on SCB of course can be discussed and
disputed, but I won't pay much attention to those.
I hope this silence around crucial matters on Burma, which need
radical changes, may be a lesson for everyone on SCB. Any (personally)
flaming postings by junta supporters as a reaction to this post will
be regarded as admitting themselves in the wrong. Hence, instead of
flaming one better should keep one's mouth shut again. Only serious
replies, agreeing or disagreeing, will be appreciated.
Regards,
James Russell Brownwood
Jame...@Gmail.com
http://jrburma.surge8.com
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:53:25 -0700 (PDT), burmansoldier <...@gmail.com
mental illness begins with the curse of self-righteousness & being
hypocrite !
On Jun 3, 8:34 pm, James <...@gmail.com
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