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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:31:54 -0700 (PDT), Romanise <...@gmail.com
On Apr 24, 7:12 am, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
No more evidence than year, subject, university and the name in which
the degree is.
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:15:49 +0000, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
So, is that like if I tell you I got my MD in 1980, from Harvard, and the
name is "me", then that's all he's ever given anyone?
So, is it possible to call that university and ask if they did give that
degree (no fudged/corrupted records there, eh?), and then is
Maharaj/Stevens the same guy as on the diploma?
So, do you remember what he said on year, subject, university, and what
name was on the diploma?
I am curious.
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:24:09 -0700 (PDT), Romanise <...@gmail.com
On Apr 24, 1:15 pm, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
It is possible to ascertain a degree against a name by year from the
Alumni Web Page of the University. I think the subject will be
displayed automatically.
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:43:02 +0000, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
OK. Then what you need to do is establish, somehow, whether the person on
the Alumin Web Page is the same person as is authoring the
"use...@mantra.com" posts.
And, I see that "harmony" still has not answered my question, and
Maharaj/Stevens is now very heavily polluting the newsgroup with a large
number of posts per day.
Good luck, but its still a good question, eh?
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:54:03 +0000, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
Brown skin, dark skin....its still a color remark. You made it.
I have talked about it, and read about it, lots of times. I've read many
Indians here talk about it.
you certainly
And, I don't think you are more expert in this than other Indians who made
longer more detailed posts than you ever did.
Look at BPOking, look at your friend Maharaj, and look back many years.
Lots of Indians calling US guys racist.
although it has had a gruesome
Are there any Hindus out there who are reading this who agree or disagree
with "harmony"? Please come forward, including you guys like BPOking and
Maharaj who have only low opinions, and I could name a few more.
they merely wish
I'm sorry. I did not ask--I told you--anyone to go to India, but then why
are you saying Indians can't have freedom of religion?
You have not answered that question.
I have nothing to do with Indian media. You go and fight with them.
since
Is anyone else reading this? Rod Speed has a word for this: hilarious, and
mindlessly silly.
Why don't you just go back to India, yourself, and help fight for whatever
side you like the most, and fight against the side you don't like.
Don't ask _me_ to fight _your_ wars.
See below..
Christians are human, too.
The 3M are YOUR problem, not my problem.
And, I am not part of any of the 3 Ms, I told you that 50 times now.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:57:28 -0500, "harmony" <...@hotmail.com
"Stray Dog" <...@sdf.lonestar.org...
brown is not dark. color identification is not racism, is it?
so how come you think caste is no more than just dalits vs non-dalits tug of
war
well, again, you embrace the 3m version.
how about a nation iwde poll that shows 70pct of india - which sqaures with
hindu pct popuation of inda - loves america?
as you know 3m hate america. but you embrace 3m, making dr. jai maharaj ji
more unhappy.
remeber the magiv number 70.
after all this talking turkey, this question you pose, the way you pose,
shows you area supporter of fraudulent uncouth missionaries.
but that's what you rely on to make your inane case.
i am having greater luck with reasonable americans than corrupt indians.
i am not. i am just asking you to be true to yourself since you were talking
up your holy zeal against dr. jai maharaj ji's degree, albeit vainly, in the
interest of fairness which you boasted was alien to indian culture.
i know. so, pls keep don't unleash your uncouth missionaries on fellow
humans.
they are a probelm, period. pres bush called it international phenomnon
after 9/11 for one of the 3m, and then in no time fell victim himslef to the
other m when jesus started whispering war in his ears.
you sure are defending them though - albeit for a different reason because
you are mad at india-brag. but it is all easy to reconcile because
india-brag guys could be more restrained in their euphoria.
but when you are so happy as indians now are, thanks to adam smith's free
trade, you forget who you might be making mad.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:48:33 +0000, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
How about just acknowledge that the British gave english to India?
Before the British set up schools in India, India had essentially ancient
practices where only the (rich) aristocrats of India found teachers to
tuter their kids. Same deal as all ancient cultures. No public schools.
Blacks are still very disadvantaged. YOu don't see any Hispanics in IT
either. And, why do you see Indians in IT in US today and 20 years ago it
was all white US guys? And, I've been around this, too, all my life.
Actually, I was a professor at a medical college until I retired and, yes,
they had some 20-30 blacks, and half female among the students. And, the
dean said this is common among medical schools.
Hardly fair and square when CEOs just want bottom line results to boost
the value of their stock option grants.
And, all kinds of other 3rd world countries are stealing jobs from Indians
now, but maybe you still have your head in the sand, too.
All as if you did it without any help.
You are an 800 pound egotist.
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:24:01 +1000, "Rod Speed" <...@gmail.com
Mohd Kutta wrote
Not smart enough to stop the moguls taking over or to stop
the british doing that with a tiny handful of people either.
Not smart enough to produce the industrial revolution either.
Or modern science.
Or modern medicine either.
Or even smart enough to have only as many kids as the economy can support either.
The british had to rub your noses in what democracy is about too.
Wrong, as always.
Neither produced the industrial revolution, modern science or modern medicine either.
Only by fools.
Only by fools.
Shove it up your arse, sideways.
That last is a bare faced lie with the white colonys.
Bare faced lie with HongKong too.
Just that they are better than those. So what ?
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:30:49 -0500, "harmony" <...@hotmail.com
"Stray Dog" <...@sdf.lonestar.org...
i don't think referring to color conforms to the definition of racist.
i won't question your degree if you were to mention it.
lol. how are these two choices so intimately connected in your view?
is the west the entire world community.
btw, the 3m is the one ripping off the west (how much did you donate to your
church for conversions of heathens lately? did you get a tax write off for
that too?), and it thinks it is their world for them to kill and abuse.
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:54:30 +0000, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
Everyone I know says it does.
So, you would let someone be a fraud if he wanted it.
A pretty big fraction of the Hindus/Indians, here, think the "Hindu
economy" is something bigger than anything else.
No, it is the CEOs and rich people, and they are ripping off everyone.
And, you still did not answer my question.
(how much did you donate to your
And, how about Hindus in India who won't let other Indians convert OUT of
Hinduism if Hindus and Hinduism do nothing for them (eg. Dalits)?
I never told any Hindu or anyone else to leave their religion if they are
happy with it.
Some of you guys just want to run your own totallitarian society. No
freedom of religion.
did you get a tax write off for
I pay lots of taxes that end up in rich people's wallets. And, I've told
everyone many times that I go to no church. I am also not a Jew, and not a
communist, and Islam has all of its own problems including a radical
element of terrorists.
As if there were never any Hindus killing non-Hindus. Or hurting them,
either. How about caste priviledges that keeps one out of five Indians in
sub-human conditions?
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:06:32 -0500, "harmony" <...@hotmail.com
"Stray Dog" <...@sdf.lonestar.org...
they need more educating. is there a color ban where you operate.
doesn't sound much of a fraud that can hurt anybody.
the real fraudsters are the 3m, and you seem to imply you are ok with your
dollar help to them.
frankly, i don't see what the big deal is here.
i think i told you enough times that it is "black is beautiful" kinda stuff
that is at work here.
the hindus are acutely aware of their problems and their lackluster economic
rank.
what they are ecstatic about is that they see a light down the tunnel after
centuries of oppression and humilation. they just want to be left alone by
the 3m so they can stay focussed on the progress.
i don't believe you can ever put yourself in their shoes. and let's admit,
you can not possibly care.
organized church is the biggest industry in usa.
pls state it again.
you only have the 3m version on dalits. i seriously doubt this fact
registers in your head despite million reminders to you. various dalits who
still remain hindus and their leaders are at peace with the fellow hindus.
in fact these dalits who are happy to be hindu don't like converts who fall
for missionary bribes and shenanigans using your donations.
so won't you stop funding your church that sends moeny to india for
conversions? you don't answer this question.
but do you donate to your conversion machines churches, that's the main
point which you studiously shy away from.
ok, peace. i did not know this. since you mean well, you should inform your
neighborhood churches to stay clear from india.
pls do not destroy the hindu society, they have only one land they can call
theirs, india. you know the history of countryless jewish people from past.
let india be a hindu nation. it won't bother nobody; in fact it will be a
very valuable partner in peace.
did you know a dalit leader is actively campaigning today in india with her
eyes squarely focussed on becoming the prime minsiter?
do you seriously think that would be possible under the crazy 3m assumptions
you make?
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:40:38 +0000, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
I guess when you say this, then there is not a color ban in your mind.
Well, now that I've heard and read how cheating is such a big part of
Indian society, I can understand how you can think the way you do.
So, Kenneth Lay, Enron, and AIG/Lehman/BearStearns/etc and all the rest
did not hurt anyone at all and all we have to worry about is 3m?
and you seem to imply you are ok with your
I can tell you either don't read much or don't know much.
I can tell, for sure, that your idea of the big deal is 3m and nothing
else matters.
Again, it is this kind of stuff: non-Hindus in India are persona
nongrata. And, guys like you and the ones who use the term "Hindu economy"
who are either the nationalists or fascists.
"The Hindus" are a very heterogeneous bunch (as per my google search and
links to some Indian websites) where there are many different kinds of
Hindus and guys like NYST and Banerjee are better at explaining this than
you.
Oh, yes. All the Indians who are doing well because they speak english are
speaking english because it just pops into their heads sometime after they
are born and the British had nothing to do with all that "oppression" and
"humiliation" that is the main reason Indians are in Britain and the USA,
because they can speak english well enough to be in demand and in pretty
good jobs like they are.
If it were not for the British, India, today, would be like Africa today.
they just want to be left alone by
It looks like religious persecution of anything non-Hindu. It is very
similar to the religious wars in Europe several hundred years ago.
I think I care more about them than you do.
and let's admit,
Now I know you don't read and/or don't remember much of what I talk about.
Last time I saw any figures, the Vatican (Catholic Church) had assets of
some $ 10 billion. Other references are that the oil companies are the
biggest business, followed by exchange rate trading, followed by
moneylaundering. The total budgets of churches, world-wide, is really
chickenfeed compared to the big corporations.
Or, are you so totally blind that you can't see that 99% of all modern
buildings are commercial? How many churches do you see being built
anywhere? All my life in the USA (and everywhere else I've been), churches
are small fractions of building projects.
It is at the top of this post.
No, I also have the Dalit version on Dalits and had long email exchanges
with one about two years ago.
i seriously doubt this fact
Its always the story from a higher caste Hindu that everything is fine.
And, what about the Dalits who are not happy and I know they are there and
I've read many articles about this, now.
I've answered it many times.
Lie.
I said many times I do not go to church and I am not a Jew, either.
since you mean well, you should inform your
Why should I help you preserve YOUR "church"?
Why when you have made all kinds of anti-Christian posts for a long time?
Oh, you are afraid one billion Hindus are going to go wandering all over
the planet because of Christian missionaries?
Yeah, I can tell you want to kick out all non-Hindus.
it won't bother nobody; in fact it will be a
Oh, wonderful. You know we finally got a black person as president some
140 years after slavery was abolished.
Banerjee was right about you.
You are another Maharaj.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:35:34 -0700 (PDT), Old Pif <...@gmail.com
On Apr 28, 9:25 am, Mohd Kutta <...@gmail.com
It is called ignorance.
So, now you know it.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:24:59 +0000, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
I have a new hypothesis: it is a new spreading disease called "Maharaj's
Disease." As you know, Jai Maharaj (aka Jay Stevens) posted the "We did it
first" list of all inventions all done by Indian Hindus/Vedics, and as if
there were no other scientists in the world. And, if there were, then
Indians "did it first" (see below for the post, for reference).
So, in this disease, some (not all) Indians think that english was not
taught by the British in India to Indians. Instead, they have some vague
idea that "english" just "came into their heads like an idea" and they
don't have to give any credit.
As a further item of speculation, these Indians (not all, just an arrogant
minority) may even get the idea, someday, that Indians were the ones that
really invented "english" and that long ago either the British stole
"english" from the Indians or it was Indian Vedics/Hindus that taught
"english" to some lost Neanderthals that washed up on the shores of India.
Then, maybe, some of these same Indians (again, please, just the arrogant
ones in minority, not the majority of reasonable Indians who consider
themselves members of the whole human race instead of thinking themselves
Hindu or Vedic _gods_), are going to get the "idea" that (like Maharaj),
it was Indians that invented the computer, jet planes, atomic bomb,
software code, transistors, television, radio, etc., and then they will
say that "we know" that all this came from India and Indians and nobody
else.
And, below is an early draft of history of scientific inventions. It will
not take long to add more Indian names and remove any non-Indian names, or
otherwise diminish the contributions of any non-Indian. Oh, yes, rule out
the Muslim Indians, the Christian Indians, and the Marxist Indians because
they are worthless or enemy terrorists.
Shall I take credit for the discovery of "The Maharaj Disease"?
/////////////////
From usen...@mantra.comH5210 Tue Jan 2 03:21:38 2007
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 03:21:38 GMT
From: usen...@mantra.comH5210 or http://www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian, alt.fan.jai-maharaj, alt.religion.hindu,
sci.math, alt.computer.consultants
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian, alt.fan.jai-maharaj, alt.religion.hindu,
sci.math, alt.computer.consultants
Subject: SCIENCE. WE DID IT FIRST http://tinyurl.com/yhjyp5
'SCIENCE. WE DID IT FIRST'
Vedic-Hindu principles and spirituality transcend
the Judeo-Christian-Islamic definition of "religion",
and contain much more -- they include the arts, sciences
and technology. I have posted the following excerpts (and
many more) over the years:
o Excerpt 1 - Indians originated concepts of zero, infinity, numerals
o Excerpt 2 - 'Science. We did it first'
o Excerpt 3 - Tachyons lose mass, energy the faster they travel
o Excerpt 4 - Mundakopanishad, Atharv Ved: Tachyons faster than light
o Excerpt 5 - Astronomy in ancient Bharat
o Excerpt 6 - Knowledge of equinoxes, precession, astrology, palmistry
o Excerpt 7 - Achievements of Vedic-Hindu sage-scientists
o Excerpt 8 - Hindus came up with the series credited to Fibonacci
Excerpt 1
[ India's heritage of solving problems is often
[ overshadowed by centuries of colonialism and conquest.
[ Outside Delhi I visited one of the oldest monuments to
[ that history . . . pillar of iron alloy, smelted by
[ Indian metallurgists with such skill that it has remained
[ rustless for 1,500 years. (Photograph on page 533.)
[
[ These superb technicians were brethren of Indian thinkers
[ who originated the concepts of zero and infinity and
[ devised the inaccurately named Arabic numeral system,
[ giving the science of mathematics to a world drenched in
[ superstitious ignorance.
[
[ - Bryan Hodgson in National Geographic Magazine,
[ Volume 167, Number 4, April 1985, page 527
Excerpt 1 ends
Excerpt 2
[ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
[ Subject: Re: Animal Killers are Savages
[ Date: 16 Jul 1994
[ [...]
[ Tachyons -- as everyone knows, don't they? -- are the
[ whiz kids of Einstein's light theories. They are faster
[ than light particles (would we see them if they had
[ headlights?) built as cosmic balancers into Albert's
[ equations. They represent metaphysical outriders in the
[ material physics' description of the universe.
[
[ Einstein didn't think up his gravity and light theories.
[ He intuitively imagined them in a process called "thought
[ experiment." He saw them in a trance-like state. No
[ experiments. Others nearly verified his theories
[ experimentally much later.
[
[ And that is basically how the Vedic scientitists of
[ millenia past parted the fabric of the cosmos -- with the
[ meditative mind. The results revolutionized human
[ knowledge and culture, and foreshadowed and outpaced many
[ of today's most exotic biological, astronomical and
[ atomic principles.
[
[ As much as the world honors Copernicus, Galileo, Newton,
[ Plank, Rutherford, Einstein and Heisenburg, the people of
[ India could have a bumper sticker that reads, "Science.
[ We did it first."
[
[ And science was not separated from the sacred as it is
[ today. Vedic science is charged with supernatural
[ connections and purpose, ultimately plugged into the
[ primeval energy and omniscience (omni-science) of
[ Brahman.
[
[ The invention of the decimal, of numeration, including
[ the principles of zero and infinity in ancient India, are
[ some of the greatest contributions to human knowledge.
[ Some other discoveries include the heliocentric system of
[ astronomy, the concept of lunar mansions, or nakshatr's;
[ the precession of equinoxes due to Earth's axial tilt and
[ the determination of their rate; the establishment of
[ luni-solar and planetary years; the construction of an
[ astronomical calendar on a scientific basis; the rotation
[ of Earth on its axis; the knowledge of algebraic,
[ geometric and trigonometric principles; the spherical
[ shapes of planets; the role of interplanetary attraction
[ in equilibrium; to name only a few.
[
[ Vedic notions concerning time and space, the nature of
[ light and heat, gravity and magnetic attraction and the
[ wave-theory of sound, were later re-confirmed by modern
[ science.
[ - Hinduism Today, 1994
[
Excerpt 2 ends
Excerpt 3
[ ''Forty years ago physicists were convinced that they had
[ discovered the smallest particle in the atom. Today they
[ know that there is a subatomic world which is tinier than
[ the atomic nucleus and contains much more energy than
[ anything that we can so far conceive of as 'nascent
[ energy.'
[
[ The concept of time breaks down in this miraculous world.
[ Physicists no longer know where or how they should
[ classify the electron, that building stone and atomic
[ envelope. With mathematically proven particles which
[ travel faster than light -- say, the tachyons, tradyons
[ and luxyons calculated by Gerald Feinberg -- all concepts
[ of time collapse definitely. They behave in exactly the
[ opposite way to our 'normal' elementary particles.
[
[ Instead of exhibiting infinite mass and with infinite
[ energy when they reach the speed of light -- as Einstein
[ reckoned they would -- these particles lose mass and
[ energy the faster they travel. What is really
[ inconceivable is that the speed of light is the lowest
[ limit of their velocity -- above it they can reach a
[ trillion fold the speed of light.''
[
[ - Erich Von Daniken, Miracle of the Gods, Dell Pubs.,
[ Inc., 1975, p. 163.
[
Excerpt 3 ends
Excerpt 4
[ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
[ Subject: Re: India owes $92.8 Billion to the World
[ Date: 1998/06/22
[
[ [...] And how much does the rest of the world owe to
[ Bharat as a result for the following contributions?
[
[ This is a partial list, couresy of Prasad Gokhale:
[
[ ***************************************
[ Achievements of the Ancients
[ ----------------------------
[ (Courtesy: Dr.P.V. Vartak, Pune, India)
[ ***************************************
[
[ Medical Sciences
[ ----------------
[
[ Knowledge Ancient Reference Modern
[ Reference
[ --------- ----------------- --------------
[
[ Plastic Surgery (Repair of nose Sushruta A German
[ Surgeon
[ by the skin flap on forehead) (4000 - 2000 BCE) (1968 CE)
[
[ Artificial Limb RigVed (1-116-15) 20th Century
[
[ Chromosomes Cunavidhi(Mahabharat) 1860-1910 CE
[ (5500 BCE)
[
[ Number of Chromosomes (23) Mahabharat-5500 BCE 1890 CE
[
[ Combination of Male and Female Shrimad Bhagwat 20th Century
[ chromosomes in zygote (4000 BCE)
[
[ Analysis of Ears RigVed Labyrinth
[
[ -McNally
[
[ Eitereya Upanishad 1925
[ (6000 BCE)
[
[ Beginning of the Foetal Heart Eitereya Up. Robinson, 1972
[ in the second month of pregnancy Shrimad Bhagwat
[
[ Parthenogenesis Mahabharat 20th Century
[
[ Test Tube Babies
[ a) from the ovum only Mahabharat Not possible yet
[
[ b) from the sperm only Mahabharat Not possible yet
[ c) from both ovum and sperm Mahabharat Steptoe, 1979
[
[ Elongation of Life in Shrimad Bhagwat Not yet
[ confirmed
[ Space Travel
[
[ Cell Division (in 3 layers) Shrimad Bhagwat 20th Century
[
[ Embryology Eitereya Upanishad 19th Century
[ (6000 BCE)
[
[ Micro-organisms Mahabharat 18th Century
[
[ A material producing a disease S-Bhagwat (1-5-33) Haneman,18thCent.
[ can prevent or cure the disease
[ in minute quantity
[
[ Developing Embyro in Vitro. Mahabharat 20th Century
[
[ Life in trees and plants Mahabharat Bose,19thcent.
[
[ 16 Functions of the Brain Eitereya Upanishad 19-20th Cent.
[
[ Definition of Sleep Prashna-Upanishad 20th Century
[ Patanjali Yogsootra
[
[ ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[
[ Physical Sciences
[ -----------------
[
[ Knowledge Ancient Reference Modern Reference
[ --------- ----------------- ----------------
[ Velocity of Light RigVed 19th Century
[ Sayan Bhashya (1400 CE)
[
[ Trans-Saturnean Planets Mahabharat (5500 BCE) 17-19th Century
[
[
[
[ Space Travel to another Shrimad Bhagwat Under Trials
[ solar system (4000 BCE)
[
[ Gravitational Force Prashnopanishad 17th Century
[ (6000 BCE)
[ Shankaracharya
[ (500 BCE)
[
[ Ultravoilet Band Sudhumravarna ---
[ (Mundakopanishad - M.U)
[
[ Infra-red Band Sulohita (M.U) ---
[
[ Tachyons faster than light Manojava (M.U) Sudarshan, 1968
[
[ Nuclear Energy Spullingini (M.U) 20th Cent.
[
[ Black Holes Vishvaruchi (M.U) 20th Century
[
[ Monsoon at Summer Solstice RigVed (23720 BCE) ---
[
[ Entry in South America by Valmiki Ramayan ---
[ Aeroplanes (7300 BCE)
[
[ Phosphorescent Trident at V.Ramayan 1960 CE
[ the Bay of Pisco, Peru,
[ S.America
[
[ Aeroplanes RigVed ---
[ Ramayan
[ Samarangan Sutradhara
[ (1050 CE)
[
[ Robot Samarangan Sootradhara ---
[
[ Atom (Divisible) Shrimad Bhagwat Dalton
[ (Indivisible)
[ (4000 BCE) 1800 CE
[
[ Subatomic Particles (Electr, Shrimad Bhagwat(4000 BCE) Thomas,
[ Rutherford
[ Proton,Neutron and other) (Param-Mahan) Chadwick (20th
[ Cent.)
[
[ Genesis of Universe RigVed ([ (1950)
[ (Nasadeeya Sootra)
[
[ Atom Bomb Mahabharat (5500 BCE) 1945 CE
[ (Brahm-Astra)
[
[ Sound Energy used to powder Mahabharat (Vajrastra) Gavreau, 1964
[ materials
[
[ Mercury as energy source for Samrangan Sutradhara Indian Express,
[ aeroplanes 20-10-1979 CE
[
[ North Pole Valmiki Ramayan Piery, 1909 CE
[
[ Antartica Valmiki Ramayan Piery, 1950 CE
[ Premordial matter from RigVed ([ which the universe emanated (Ambha)
[
[ Formations of premordial RigVed ([ matter (Ambha-Nasadeeya)
[
[ Natural Cycle of Water RigVed ([ Valmiki Ramayan
[ -----------------------------------------------------------------------
[
[ Physical Sciences
[ -----------------
[
[ Electricity (DC) Mitra/Varuna-Teja/Agasti 18th Cent.
[
[ Water Analysis by Agasti (Prana+Udana) 19th Cent.
[ electricity (H2 + O)
[
[ Electroplating Agasti 19th Cent.
[
[ Vega becoming Pole Star Mahabharat (Vanaparva) ---
[
[ Seven Colors in sunrays RigVed (8-72-16) ---
[
[ Black Spots on the Sun Valmiki Ramayan ---
[
[ Temporary Bridge on Sea Valmiki Ramayan ---
[
[ Equinox's and Solstice's RigVed (10-18-1) ---
[
[ Meteors "Ulka" AtharvaVed (19-9) ---
[
[ Pythagorus Theorm Sulbha Sootra (800 BCE) Pythagorus, 500
[ BCE
[
[ Comet (at Mula) Valmiki Ramayan ---
[
[ Mars in Aldebaren V.Ramayan not occured in
[ last
[ "Breathing" of a Star RigVed (Nasadeeya) Gamov, 1950
[
[
[ Gravity and Heat Production RigVed (Nasadeeya) Gamov, 1950
[ in a Star
[
[ Order of origin of space, RigVed, Upanishads ---
[ gases, heat, water and earth
[
[ Life on Earth Mahabharat, Puranas Salem, Jogesh
[ 1980
[ 1.7 X 10^10 years Pati-10^10 years
[
[ Layers of Atmosphere accor- V.Ramayan (Kish.8) ---
[ ding to specific gravity
[
[ Microscope Mahabharat (5500 BCE) 16th Century
[ ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[
[ Jai Maharaj
[ http://www.mantra.com/jai
[ Om Shanti
[
Excerpt 4 ends
Excerpt 5
[ Astronomy in ancient Bharat
[
[
[ Here is an extract from a book on the topic "Astronomy in
[ Ancient India": [...] "Astronomy is one area which has
[ fascinated all mankind from the beginnings of history. In
[ India the first references to astronomy are to be found
[ in the Rg Ved which is dated around 2000 BCE. Vedic
[ Aryans in fact deified the Sun, Stars and Comets.
[ "Astronomy was then interwoven with astrology and
[ since ancient times Indians have involved the planets
[ (called Grahas) with the determination of human fortunes.
[ The planets Shani, i.e. Saturn and Mangal i.e. Mars were
[ considered inauspicious.
[ In the working out of horoscopes (called
[ Janmakundali), the position of the Navagrahas, nine
[ planets plus Rahu and Ketu (mythical demons, evil forces)
[ was considered. The Janmakundali was a complex mixture of
[ science and dogma. But the concept was born out of
[ astronomical observations and perception based on
[ astronomical phenomenon.
[ "In ancient times personalities like Aryabhatta and
[ Varahamihira were associated with Indian astronomy.
[ "It would be surprising for us to know today that this
[ science had advanced to such an extent in ancient India
[ that ancient Indian astronomers had recognised that stars
[ are same as the sun, that the sun is center of the
[ universe (solar system) and that the circumference of the
[ earth is 5000 Yojanas. One Yojana being 7.2 kms., the
[ ancient Indian estimates came close to the actual figure.
[ [...] Regards Sudheer
Excerpt 5 ends
Excerpt 6
[ Count Louis Hamon, known to millions as Cheiro, earned
[ the highest appellations through thirty years of diligent
[ study of the science of prediction. He was an expert in
[ both astrology and numerology but was most famous for his
[ amazing knowledge of palmistry. He wrote in 1949:
[
[ "As regards the people who first understood and practiced
[ this study of the hand, we find undisputed proofs of
[ their learning and knowledge. Long before Rome or Greece
[ or Israel was even heard of, the monuments of India point
[ back to an age of learning beyond, and still beyond.
[
[ "From the astronomical calculations that the figures in
[ their temples represent, it has been estimated that the
[ Hindus understood the precession of the equinoxes
[ centuries before the Christian era.
[
[ "In some of the ancient cave temples, the mystic figures
[ of the [deities] silently tell that such knowledge had
[ been possessed and used in advance of all those nations
[ afterward so celebrated for their learning.
[
[ "It has been demonstrated that to make a change from one
[ sign to another in the zodiacal course of the sun must
[ have occupied at least 2,140 years, and how many
[ centuries elapsed before such changes came to be observed
[ and noticed it is impossible even to estimate.
[
[ "The intellectual power that was necessary to make these
[ observations speaks for itself; and yet it is to such a
[ people that we trace the origin of the study under
[ consideration. With the spread of the Hindu teachings
[ into other lands do we trace the spread of knowledge of
[ palmistry.
[
[ "The Hindu Vedas are the oldest scriptures that have been
[ found, and according to some authorities they have been
[ the foundation of even the Greek schools of learning."
[
[ - Cheiro's Language Of The Hand by Cheiro; Herbert
[ Jenkins Limited, London, 1949.
Excerpt 6 ends
Excerpt 7
[ Following are a few highlights of some inventions by our
[ ancient sage-scientists -- most of these are excerpted from
[ the MICHIGAN DAILY of January 24, 1992:
[
[ ASTRONOMY: In the 5th century CE, Vedic scientist and
[ astronomer Bhaskaracharya confirmed earlier calculations of
[ the ancients of the time taken by earth to orbit the Sun to
[ nine decimal places, 365.258756484 days -- a value that was
[ later accepted by modern science.
[
[ MEDICINE: Sushruta performed surgery in India, 3,000 years
[ ago, using 125 kinds of surgical instruments "so advanced they
[ could cut a hair longitudinally." Physician Charaka described
[ the functions of the heart and the circulatory system 2,000
[ years before the English physician Dr. Harvey.
[
[ PHYSICS: According to Nobel prize-winner Dr. David
[ Josephson, the Vedas hold the key to the laws of the mind
[ and thought process which are correlated to the quantum
[ fields that are the operation and distribution of particles
[ at atomic and molecular levels.
[
[ METALLURGY: India's heritage of solving problems is often
[ overshadowed by centuries of colonialism and conquest. Outside
[ Delhi I visited one of the oldest monuments to that history...
[ pillar of iron alloy, smelted by Indian metallurgists with
[ such skill that it has remained rust-less for 1,500 years.
[ (Photograph on page 533.) These superb technicians were
[ brethren of Indian thinkers who originated the concepts of
[ zero and infinity and devised the inaccurately named Arabic
[ numeral system, giving the science of mathematics to a world
[ drenched in superstitious ignorance. - Bryan Hodgson in the
[ NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC MAGAZINE Volume 167, Number 4, April 1965
[ page 527.
[
[ GENERAL: "It is already becoming clear that the chapter
[ which had a Western beginning will have to have an Indian
[ ending if it is not to end in self-destruction of the human
[ race." - Dr. Arnold Toynbee, world historian.
Excerpt 7 ends
Excerpt 8
[ Subject: HINDUS CAME UP WITH THE SERIES CREDITED TO FIBONACCI
[ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
[ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007
Gospala (ca. 1135 CE) series or Fibonacci (1202 CE) series?
Forwarded message from Kalyan
[ Subject: Gospala (ca. 1135 CE) series or Fibonacci (1202 CE) series?
[ From: kalyan97
[ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007
Did Fibonacci invent this Series?
Fibonacci says his book Liber Abaci (the first edition
was dated 1202) that he had studied the "nine Indian
figures" and their arithmetic as used in various
countries around the Mediterranean and wrote about them
to make their use more commonly understood in his native
Italy. So he probably merely included the "rabbit
problem" from one of his contacts and did not invent
either the problem or the series of numbers which now
bear his name.
D E Knuth adds the following in his monumental work The
Art of Computer Programming: Volume 1: Fundamental
Algorithms errata to second edition:
Before Fibonacci wrote his work, the sequence Fn had
already been discussed by Indian scholars, who had
long been interested in rhythmic patterns that are
formed from one-beat and two-beat notes. The number of
such rhythms having n beats altogether is Fn+1;
therefore both Gospala (before 1135) and Hemachandra
(c. 1150) mentioned the numbers 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21,
... explicitly.
http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html
Knuth refers to an article by P Singh in Historia
Mathematica vol 12 (1985) pages 229-244.
Naming the Series
It was the French mathematician Edouard Lucas (1842-1891)
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Lucas.html
who gave the name Fibonacci numbers to this series and
found many other important applications as well as having
the series of numbers that are closely related to the
Fibonacci numbers - the Lucas Numbers: 2, 1, 3, 4, 7, 11,
18, 29, 47, ... named after him.
http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/Lucas.html
http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibBio.html
End of forwarded message from Kalyan
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:24:13 -0500, "harmony" <...@hotmail.com
"Stray Dog" <...@sdf.lonestar.org...
oooo, this is in such poor taste. also, very diversionary.
i invited you to boast about your degree as a rejoinder to dr. jai maharaj
ji since you all make an issue of his degree, and this is what i get!!!
my point simply is that one's degree is hardly important; what's important
is the substance of one's viewpoint or ideas.
anyway, i don't see why dr. jai maharaj would want to give the details of
his degree to the vindictive 3m folks on the net.
the difference is they did not start out as fraud, never intended to. i
think.
oh yes. why do you think the chinese don't allow the other 2m within their
borders?
the chinese being the 3rd m, knows the rest 2m just damn too well.
if these 3m go away, the world can focus on real development in perfect
peace. they are the cause of continuing strife world wide.
the good american people in usa are well shielded, hence do not know it
well.
what the...? some day you will make sense, that day isn't today.
the above statement is factually stupid, but i will let it pass because it
has no relations to anything i had said except i will note that india
produced 20pct of world gdp when the brits first arrived - not accidentally
but thr' a lot of well planned effort to gain trade routes to india.
but what's your point, senor?
more 3m propaganda. billy graham once boasted that india is very friendly to
kirastanistas.
the muslims come into india illegally, have multiplied 5 fold in 50 years.
lol. right.
last time must have been centuries back.
i did not say church assets exceeded the rest put together. you have math
definition problem here.
it is all jumbled, i don't see it.
the fact that we are going in all directions.......
you are deep in the 3m s**t. how about it?
what about all the poors in america who need your church donated dollars?
why don't you worry about them first? why poke your nose and wreck otehr
socieiteis? home-wreckers.
when katrina hit the lousina coast, the indian organizations and govt put
their donations in the hands of the u.s. govt. to use it as it chose. the
indians did not go out on the streets of new orleans looking to trade help
for souls, so much unlike the american missionaries operating in india in
the most disgusting manner. china will go far for keepng missionaries out.
this is tiring, i will stop here.
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Anonymous Wrote:
harmony ji HAS GOT IT!
Please see the excerpt below:
Excerpt begins
[ From: "harmony" <...@hotmail.com[ Subject: Re: Hey "harmony"...a question for you
[ Newsgroups: alt.computer.consultants,
[ alt.fan.jai-maharaj,sci.econ,
[ alt.politics.economics,soc.culture.indian
[ Message-ID: <...@news.suddenlink.net[ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:24:13 -0500
[
[ . . .
[ anyway, i don't see why dr. jai maharaj would
[ want to give the details of his degree to the
[ vindictive 3m folks on the net.
Excerpt ends
Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/24fq83
http://www.mantra.com/jai
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
Om Shanti
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Anonymous Wrote:
Oh dear, if he has it are there drugs to cure it?
Jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. does notprovide evidence for his claims for
one simple reason. How can one provide evidence for a completely
invented fraud? The fraud can pe continued only because he does not
provide evidence.
What is his evidence? He cries, don't you believe me, really I'm the
things I claim, don't you believe me?"
I have evidence he is japanese. No, I wil not provide the evidence. I
don't have to you see.
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:47:49 -0700, Chetan <...@xspam.sbcglobal.net
hari...@indero.com writes:
I agree, you don't. I don't particularly care whether a person is
truely Indian or not if he seems to be posting in favour of India.
That is more than what I can say for some people on s.c.i. who claim
to be Indians. On the other hand, when people use aliases for
posting, some deception is to be expected. If I belived every moniker
I saw on the posts, I would go crazy. There are dogs of all kinds
posting here, for example.
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:47:22 -0500, Day Brown <...@gmail.com
I read a pair of studies by Swedish and German sociologists on
minorities looking for a less biased view. But I saw all the same high
rates of crime, alcoholism, drug abuse, sexual abuse, divorce, etc, and
the same low rates of education and income. They also mentioned how
young males have ostentatious wardrobes, walk with what we'd call a
'barrio swagger', and have difficulty with authority figures.
Only thing is, they were talking about the Saami and Gypsie, who are
just as white as I am. I note as well, when a Korean, Japanese, or
Chinese marries into an Aryan family, nobody is concerned about how the
kids will turn out, even tho these east Asians have skin tones that are
darker than most Hispanics.
Clearly, color is not an adequate indicator of racism.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:48:45 +1000, "Rod Speed" <...@gmail.com
Day Brown wrote
Like hell they are.
Plenty of Koreans, Japanese and Chinese are.
Some of them do, some of them dont.
Mindlessly silly.
No one ever said that race is JUST about color, stupid.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:14:15 +0000, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
I've never seen a dark Chinese in person or in photographs. In other parts
of SE Asia, and parts of India, some darker skined persons can be found.
You should go to "harmony's" post where he makes a derisivie remark about
"dark skinned kiristanis" and ask why he used the term "dark skinned" in
connection with his derisive remark.
And, plenty of Indians/Hindus (if you want to check the archives enough)
just think the USA is full of racists but when you ask what "caste" is all
about, they all run the other way or look the other way and make excuses.
Not to mention the "class warfare" going on between the higher caste
Indians and the Dalits (you can even find it discussed on some Indian
websites with english content).
Some (not all) of these Indians are really hypocrits.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:46:47 -0500, "harmony" <...@hotmail.com
"Stray Dog" <...@sdf.lonestar.org...
what?
you will not be able to bring up any quote from me with "dark skinned
kiristanis" stuff.
brown kirastanis, yes. the remark is factual and verifiable, race here is
incidental but glaring, unmistakable, pertinent, deplorable, fraudulent and
trecherous.
you have not "asked about caste" ever - in order to learn. you certainly
have pretended you already know about caste, at least enough for hindu
bashing. caste is not about race, if you must be disabused.
for you only two things exist in hindu india: dalits and, "high caste".
and of dalits you have the 3m view - exaggerated, falacious, spiteful,
rancourous, mischevous, all calculated to justify 3m atrociousness.
caste is a complex thing, you don't have the inclination to learn about
caste, do you?
hindus don't think usa is "full of racists", although it has had a gruesome
history. the fact is the hindus have a high opinion of usa; they merely wish
the american donors would ask their churches some questions before parting
with their proslytizing dollar to the nefarious 420 missionaires.
again, for the nth time, 3m presence in indian media is overwhelming. since
you fail to distinguish this despite ample reminders; you may be a racist
and not know it, because to you all brown people are same. class warfare is
a commie construct.
the people who are in the business of helping the dalits are mainly their
fellow hindus. kirastanistas have a huge problem with that because their
soul-robbing enterprise (raison detre for their strange anti-humanity
existence) is threatened thereby.
now, pls inform your neighborhood churches to make sure they tell the
unsuspecting contributing members to give a complete and detailed account of
how their donated dollars are spent. watergate legacy should make that
mandatory, no?
ah, you may not be a racist; it is not a cya thing, is it?
indians are human too. too hard to bear for the 3m?
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:42:52 +1000, "Rod Speed" <...@gmail.com
Stray Dog wrote
Yeah, I havent either. I have seen some in docos tho.
Yeah, and some of the Tamils can be quite black.
Gypsies are actually racially Indian.
Yeah, saw that when he first wrote it and have been reading the thread.
It was clearly a deliberately offensive remark.
Arguable whether its a racist remark or not. Some of the
anti semitic comments arent strictly speaking racists because
jews arent just one race. But then neither are whites either.
Sure, but thats not racist, that casteist at most.
Yeah, 'class warfare' is far more rife there than
anywhere else except possibly under communism etc.
They are indeed. I've always been struck with how rabidly anti islam most of them are.
Just watching the multi part doco The Story Of India,
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt1333053/
Fascinating and puts one hell of a bomb under the worst of the rabid raving of Jai's too.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:56:42 +0000, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
Yeah, I figured as much. Might be a few that came from the outside. When I
was in Moscow in 1989 I only saw two black people in the streets and they
were wearing dress that was from their home countries (guessing maybe
Africa, and had those pail-like caps you find in Muslim countries).
Been seeing that in pictures from countries from Sri Lanka, Bangladesh,
and going east.
Well, you can go back in the archives and find a lot of Hindus/Indians
calling us Americans racist simply for being anti-Indian (and you can go
back a couple years here on a.c.c and find a lot of that (anti-Indian
posts), too.
Some of the
Basically true, but Jews (at least in the past) intermarried mostly among
themselves (a number of Jewish inborn genetic diseases, just like you get
with any sub-population that inbreeds a lot [eg. some religious groups
like the Junkers, Amish, etc,] and the homyzygous lethal recessive traits
come out more easily).
Its still discrimination and its fine if you like that, not fine if you
don't like it. And, the discrimination means prejudice and that prevents
self-actualization for those who can rise in spite of the barriers against
it.
Well, I'd call that "priviledge warfare" since they didn't have a
heirarchy organized as involving money and material things as
often as how priviledges led to a form of barter and favoritism (you were
not going to see a Rolls Royce going around in Moscow, but if you were a
party member you could get your kids into the best schools in Russia and
that meant they were going to get the better jobs, there, too. Just for
one example).
most of them are.
Read all the anti-Christian posts here on a.c.c going back for months,
too. Of course, I've seen a few posts evidently from the Paki/Muslim side
and they don't like Hindus/Indians, either.
But, here in the US, there's some six million Muslims and a book came out
on this recently. I posted that the vast majority are peaceful, moderates.
Here these Indians/Hindus are telling the story that they are all bad.
Etc.
Here, I typed up this (below) and posted it a while back.
****************************
From Wall Street Journal, February 19, 2009, page A8:
title: "Indonesia Polls Show Hard-Line Islamists Losing Ground"
by Tom Wright (and Yayu Yuniar also contributed to the article)
Quote of entire article (typed it up the hard way from my paper copy):
JAKARTA, Indonesia--the popularity of hard-line Islamic parties is on the
wane in Indonesia as it prepares for presidential elections this year,
making the Southeast Asian nation a rare example in the Muslim world of a
place where secular democracy is taking hold.
That comes as a surprise to some. Five years ago, when President Susilo
Bambang Yudhoyono became Indonesia's first democratically elected leader,
the nation was viewed by Western governments and analysts as similar to
Pakistan--a place where extremist Islamists wwere gaining a stronghold.
At that time, homegrown terrorists in Indonesia were mouting attacks on
hotels, embassies and nightclubs. Some local governments had begun passing
Islamic Shariah laws that included banning alcohol and requiring women to
wear headscarves.
Since then, proponents of Islamic law have lost ground. Mr. Yudhoyono's
centrist adminstration, backed by the US and other Western governments,
has presided over a war on terrorism that is widely seen as successful.
Scores of Islamic militants have been arrested by a police anti-terrorist
unit and convicted by Indonesian courts. While some protested these
prosecutions, most Indonesians supported the actions. the few militants
believed to remain at large haven't carried out any major attacks in
Indonesia in the past four years.
Shariah laws in force in a few conservative areas, such as Indonesia's
Southern Sulawesi and West Sumatra regions, haven't captured the
imagination of the wider public. After a surge in 2003, no local
governments have issued Shariah laws since 2006, scholars of Islam in
Indonesia say.
The hard-line Islamist political parties that backed putting Islamic law
into the constitution are slipping in popularity, too.
Politicians who thought these Islamic parties had deep support 'were
completely wrong,' says Anis Baswedan, president of Jakarta's Paramadina
University, which specializes in Islamic studies.
The latest polls for parliamentary elections in April, which will be
followed in July by a nation-wide presidential vote, show Indonesia's two
largest Islamic parties are on track to draw a combined 7% of the vote
this year, down from nearly 16% in 2004.
In the same poll, 43% of respondents said they would vote for Mr.
Yudhoyono in the presidential race, compared with 19% for former president
Megawati Sukarnoputri, who also backs secular government and remains
popular in some areas. In the poll, 23% said they would vote for Mr.
Yudhoyono's Democrat Party, which would make it the largest in Parliament.
That's a jump from 7.5% in the last elections, and potentially will reduce
his dependency on Islamic party coalition partners.
Mr. Yudhoyono isn't a shoo-in for re-election, especially if Indonesia's
commodity dependent economy continues to weaken as expected.
But for now his chances are looking good, in part because the former army
general has restored a sense of law and order to Indonesia since the chaos
following the fall of authoritarian president Suharto in 1998.
"Yudhoyono doesn't even have an Islamist challenger--that's an amazing
fact," given earlier expectations of Islamic party gains, says Marcus
Mietzner, and expert on Indonesian Islam at the Australian National
University in Canberra.
Among the 88% of Indonesia's 140 million peole who follow Islam, most
believers adhere to a moderate brand of the faith. About 10% of voters
believe Islam should be at the center of the state, analysts say.
In the 2004 elections -- the first to directly elect the
president--Islamic political parties did particularly well, led by the
Prosperous Justice party, or PKS, which campaingend for Shariah law and an
end to corruption and drew 7.5% of the vote compared to 1.4% in
parliamentary elections in 1999.
Mr. Yudnoyono, who came to power that year, relied on Islamic parties to
shore up his coalition. But the president, an avowed secularist, also
undercut the attraction of Islamist parties with his moves to restore
order.
Some hard-line Islamists don't like how things turned out. Irfan Awwas,
executive director of the Indonesian Council of Mujahidin, a radical
political group that supports Shariah, said Mr. Yudhoyono is "America's
pet."
"What he cares most about is his political ambition," Mr. Awwas says.
However, Islamist parties have sensed a change in the public mood and
become more moderate, analysts say. The PKS has dropped its calls for
Islamic law and is working to integrate into Indonesia's secular political
system.
"Radicalism will not have any place in this country," says
Zulkieflimansyah, a PKS parliamentarian who, like many Indonesians, uses
only one name. These days, he says, "capturing the middle ground is the
only choice."
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rabid raving of Jai's too.
Well, in Christian Europe for 1,000-1,500 years, depending on how you want
to talk about it, there was a lot of religious strife, too.
To me the question is if you can speed up the process of increasing
tollerance. I don't care to destroy anyone's culture, but the killing
etc., has to stop. Some kind of new equilibrium has to come into
existence.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:46:23 -0500, Day Brown <...@gmail.com
We see today, the Geisha wear white zinc oxide on their faces as part of
the standard makeup. The tradition predates Western influence in Japan.
And in both India and China, we see paintings of dark skinned rich men
with white skinned bimbos. Going back well over 1000 years, again long
before European culture or 'whites' had any impact on them.
Partly, what this is about, is upper class women staying inside the
palace with paler faces while the peasant women worked in the sun. The
Asians seen recently in the USA were not Chinese peasants.
I dunno how reliable we can regard photos; but there was a time when
East Asians were regarded as "yellow", and I've seen on the streets of
Hispanic barrios, lotsa faces that are as white as I am, snd had a guest
from Puerto Rico at my place who similarly regarded himself as
'hispanic', which was only evident in his accent.
The earliest Chinese records on Aryans say they were 'monkey faced',
from the similarity to the proboscis monkey, and that their skin was
'brilliant', which is to say much whiter, which at the time, over 2000
years ago, was not regarded as a token of power.
So- here we see the Chinese themselves say they were darker skinned. In
neither case, Aryan or Chinese, was skin color regarded as significant.
Both cultures also left comments denigrating the barbarians;
understandable, since they formed the bandit bands that preyed on both
villages and camel trains. Nobody mentions their skin color.
Altho, the earliest reference to what we'd call 'trophy blondes' was the
Kuchan call girls in Xian. However, it wasnt the blonde hair or white
skin that was so remarkable. At the time, Kucha was like a college town
with scholars from both East and West translating documents. Like
Geishas, the Kuchi were well educated and well connected men sought out
their salons.
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:53:00 +1000, "Rod Speed" <...@gmail.com
We aint talking about a suntan.
Its easy enough to check that using photos of civil war americans.
Its one way to describe them even now.
Sure, but you get the same effect with indians and
pakistanis too, particularly with the aryans from the north.
They're more complicated because of the spanish etc.
Thats been an asian insult for millennia.
Nope. They dont even have those monkeys.
Thats arguable.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:40:29 +0000, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
We get newspaper reports more or less periodically from mainstream
all-faiths religious conferences where all the main Christian religions
send reps. Its really quite mild, quite reasonable, very socially
redeming, and preach tollerance and peace.
You can go out on the internet and find all kinds of radical websites that
are on their own "jihad" and all kinds of political "jihads" and economic
"jihads" and none of these guys are trying to figure out how everyone can
live together or figure out what is fair and what to do to make peace.
Before 9/11 the biggest recent terrorist act was by Terry Nichols and
Timmonth McVeigh who blew up the govt building in Oklahoma City and they
were radical anti-govt guys having nothing to do even with religion.
Destroyed the building and killed some 180 ? people.
And, I think if you do google searches you can find lots of other,
smaller, examples of terrorism in the USA, going back at least 100 years,
even the Boston Tea party was a terrorist act that the historians term a
rebellion (depending on how much sympathy you have with which side).
I can appreciate Indian/Hindu fear of Islam/Muslims but I have seen very
few Indians/Hindus willing to put that fear into any kind of perspective
about world wide terrorism in general.
And, I'll say it again: you can very easily find lots of books written on
the history of state-supported espionage and spying especially in big,
powerful countries, and going back thousands of years.
I'm also going to say it again that, yes, it seems like the greatest
fraction of today's terrorism comes from radical elements in a
Islamic/Muslim context, but I'm not going to go out and recommend that we
do genocide on all Muslims, either. Or, is that what YOU want?
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:36:18 -0500, Day Brown <...@gmail.com
I dont think what I want matters. More to the point is what we will see
whether we want it or not.
But to begin with, what else would you expect of men who follow a
prophet with a 9 year old wife? Or who tells them they get to spend
eternity in his Wholy Whorehouse fucking 12 year old virgins? Or, does
this say something of the character of the men who will buy into it?
There's a reason for the Islamic misogyny, and we see it in those parts
of the world that were misogynistic to start with who then adopted Islam.
I have the Maitreyasamiti Texts in Tocharian A, which is a 5th century
copy of a conversation between the living Buddha and the Gautamid Queen
of Kucha. She makes reference to the "arrogant Sakyas" who denounce
women. Who we know to be the ancestors of the jackasses who now run much
of Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Were the symptoms of the Y chromosome profile be markers for autism,
schizophrenia, Depression, or some other behavior pattern that elicits
our sympathy, there'd be no problem in recognizing the genetic factor.
But since it fits instead the moralistic values of Levantine religion,
we call it 'evil' and try to ignore it in an effort to stop racism.
CBS's 60 Minutes, "An Almost Perfect Match" reported on a rape suspect
whose DNA didnt quite match that from the victim. But when they then
looked at the Y chromosome of his male kin, there, among his cousins,
was the perpetrator.
Primate field studies are instructive. Alpha males do all the rape,
kidnapping, murder, and 'domestic abuse'. But they are also the ones who
put their bodies on the line to contend with other Alpha male gangs for
territory and females. DNA reveals that alpha males have alpha sons. The
syndrome is characterized by DNA markers that produce high levels of
adrenalin with low levels of seratonin and dopamine. The former speed
reflexes- needed in battle, and sharpen senses- needed to detect a threat.
But now, after thousands of years of rule by the warrior elites, the
brave heart, strong right arm, sword in hand... dont cut it. And Alphas
are in denial about that fact. We see their rants here all the time, as
if some kind of return to alpha rule will solve the problems. However,
they are too many chiefs and not enuf indians. Each wants everyone, most
especially the women, to get behind him. So he can get more pussy.
But the smart women no longer are into it. Terrorism is all they have
left; they cant rule the world, and they cant build a new empire, only
destroy the organization we now have, hoping for the kind of chaos where
personal weapons are the only form of power. But even that wont work
cause Smith & Wesson guarantee equal rights for smart women.
Now, since the Levantine religions wont permit birth control to stop the
breeding of the unfit, the smart women can instead let the economy
decline to the point where there wont be any money to spend on supplying
food to misogynistic cultures, and only help those, like Liberia, which
are run by women. Is that genocide?
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:55:11 +1000, "Rod Speed" <...@gmail.com
Day Brown wrote
You did get that bit right.
Doesnt explain why their terrorism is relatively recent.
Doesnt explain why their terrorism is relatively recent.
It does indeed.
And for the Xtian misogyny too.
Corse that never ever happens in parts fo the world that didnt bother with Islam, eh ?
'run' is mindless hyperbole.
So what ?
Nope, the way humans behave is nothing like how primates behave.
You dont get much of that at all with some of the primates, stupid.
Some of the primates aint even territorial, stupid.
Mindlessly superficial. If that was true, you wouldnt see anything but alpha sons.
Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.
They just do other stuff now.
The world moves on, just like it always does.
Plenty of rants by you drug crazed hippys claiming the same thing in spades.
Have fun explaining Washington, Madison, Lincoln, LBJ, Churchill,
Stalin etc etc etc who didnt bother much about pussy.
Is that right ? Maggy Thatcher was just another of your whacky weed fantasys eh ?
Worked pretty well for the vikings.
Didnt help much with 9/11.
Lugers help the kraut women when the krauts lost WW2 either.
Nope, just another of your silly little whacky weed fantasys, actually.
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:15:39 +1000, "Rod Speed" <...@gmail.com
Yeah, its never been clear why the north americans gave
up on it and then the western europeans did much later.
It isnt even clear why the vikings gave up on it even earlier again.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:48:35 -0500, Day Brown <...@gmail.com
In "Collapse" Jared Diamond outlines what happened to the Greenland
Norse. If you recall, these are the descendants of Eric the Red, and so
its easy to understand it was caused by the alpha male ego.
When the weather turned cold, they would not adopt the successful
hunting methods of the despised Inuit. They'd rather starve, and they
did. In addition, back in Europe, problems with Islamic Africa were
ironed out, and elephant ivory was again imported. Which killed the
market the Norse had in Walrus ivory. They lost cash flow.
Now. They could have bought the iron to make the logging tools and setup
a lumber operation in Canada; but instead, the elite saw that this would
create another power base to compete with, and so they simply increased
their exploitation of all the lower classes and spent the money on
pricey status symbols. Jewelry. Which gave them the illusion that
'progress' continued.
However, digging has revealed some few Norse did move to Canada, but
they didnt really have enuf investment in tools or enuf people to setup
a new ship building business. There's other evidence of other
expeditions, but in any case, it seems they introduced new diseases that
eventually got down to Cahokia and wiped them out. Along with many other
tribes in other locations.
By the time of Columbus, the Indians were a fraction of what they had
been, their cultures too disorganized by disease, and too contentious
with hot blooded alpha male warriors to setup a unified defense.
The weaker native American immune systems is still seen today in
Mexico's deaths from swine flu, whereas Native Europeans shake it off.
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:59:17 +1000, "Rod Speed" <...@gmail.com
Day Brown wrote
That doesnt explain the sandinavian vikings tho.
Doesnt explain why they gave up on the killing tho.
That turns out to be overstated. More recent research shows that
they did eat what the inuits did when the weather did them in.
Corse it was always easy to just give up on greenland too.
Greenland wasnt really much about cash flow when raping
and pillaging provided most of that for the real vikings.
And its quite a long way from scandinavia with the open boats of their era too.
We'll see on that.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:23:37 +0000, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
Fine, we have evangelicals on as TV preachers, too, and they tell sweet
bullshit and get tons of our dumbest Americans to "feel good" and leave
money in the till. Jimmy and Tammy Baker, many years ago, took 97 cents
out of every dollar donated and spent it on themselves, not missionaries
to India. So, where is "harmony's" America's "biggest business." I have
not seen more than 1-2 articles in the WSJ in last 25 years on anything
involving churches, church business, etc., and I know that at least they
have to fix their roofs that leak from time to time and I know contractors
don't work for free. Back 200+ years ago, churches in Europe owned a lot
of land. 1000 years +/- churches controlled almost everything and were
fighting kings for power.
Here, when I was a kid, all of _our_ propaganda was
anti-communist-anti-Soviet. We even got sollicitations to support Radio
Free Europe (radio propaganda to incite rebellion in easter Europe and
some Republics, and the Russians jammed all of that). So, about ten years
ago it came out in the public that all of Radio Free Europe was a CIA
front, i.e. my taxpayer dollars. It also came out that something like 3%
of the RFE budget came from citizen donors, but we got constant
advertising on TV.
And, just to be fair, lots of other countries operate various kinds of
propaganda projects in their own interest.
Back to "harmony" and I have to ask, again, why should I help
"harmony"/India/Hindus if they can't help themselves? Are Hindus not
strong enough to resist the missionaries? Maybe there is something wrong
with Hinduism if it can fall so easily to outside manipulation.
Fine, how about listening to some of my complains about how cheap currency
countries and our greedy-selfish CEOs are destroying US culture, US
citizens, and US way of life?
How about some sympathy for the problems of _my_ neighbors who got laid
off and replaced by an immigrant, too? Funny, I get all kinds of excuses
from most Indians when I bring this up, but also a lot of Indians just
also want to complain about bad things happening in India and they want
_me_ to help them.
Hah! Allah helps more than Hindu poly gods?
Sorry, it was a sick joke but I could not help it.
Fine, we have plenty of this, here, too.
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:06:55 +1000, "Rod Speed" <...@gmail.com
Mohd Supada wrote
Its nothing like 60%
Your number is a lie.
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:02:14 +0000, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
There must be something wrong with American IT workers if Indian IT
workers can come over and "steal" so many jobs from Americans and make
them "ex-IT" workers.
Is Hinduism in India going to lose so quickly and rapidly to Christianity?
"harmony" thinks so, and "harmony" wants me to help him help Hindus fight
Christianity.
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Anonymous Wrote:
On Apr 30, 11:02 am, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
Another way to look at this is that a lot of IT work was created with
Indian and American input. Indians got a big piece of that, in the US,
as they had some natural advantages. When the market for IT fell, the
Americans were more hurt than the Indians, relatively. The American
workers in other industries such as finance, auto, steel,
manufacturing and real estate were/are also hurting. But there is no
one blaming Indian workers for making them ex-workers, as Indian
workers were not there in those fields to begin with.
Heh-heh and bow-wow, dear Straydoggie, Christianity has been there in
India for centuries. They have made strong headway in areas where
Hinduism was not strong. Such as Nagaland, which is mostly Christian
now, but they used to be animistic.
The main group targeted for the conversion of Indians to Christianity,
now, is those in the tribal areas. The missionaries have made some
progress there, but the tribals too are clever. They will adopt as
much Christianity as necessary to get the material benefits, and then
they will revert to their original customs! Quite trying, what?
Without political power at the top, to force the blighters to remain
Christian, this sort of thing gets frustrating for your impatient and
bigoted USAn missionary.
Hindu elites are wooed by the Christians, and those who convert or at
least half-convert (like become Brahmos) get a lot of love and
attention from the Christians. So, the Brahmos Rabindranath Tagore
and Satyajit Ray got Western awards, while other great personalities,
no less talented, who are however fully Hindu, are unknown.
Really, the brilliant or ambitious Hindu has to make a Faustian choice
- in order to get recognition from the Western world he must be as
Christian as possible while retaining a Hindu facade (prime example of
this is Gandi, who was killed for his treachery, ultimately) or he
must be content to remain in obscurity so far as the Western world is
concerned. I must say, with pride, that the Hindu elite on the whole
have shown marvellous self-respect, and so they remain Hindu.
Christianity or in the broader sense the Christian plus atheist
Western civilisation protects itself by using this attitude of totally
shunning of genuine Hindu ideas and ways. The consequence is that
Western world does not get to know whatever is really Hindu - its
knowledge of Hinduism is from frauds and impostors like jBm, pseudo-
scholars (both Western and Indian) whose main goal is to put Hinduism
down, and lots of phonies who tell Westerners what they want to hear
about Hinduism. Movies like Bandit Queen and Slumdog Millionaire are
created to give the Westerners a bad idea about life in India, thus
indirectly attacking Hinduism, still the main religion there.
I doubt if Hinduism will give way to Christianity - quite the opposite
will happen, if the genuine Hindus really start to preach. They do
not do that, for according to genuine Hindus, everyone is actually
Hindu, but ignorance prevents such realisation. The dispelling of
this ignorance comes from Divine Will, and the concerned individual's
own effort -politico-religious pressure is thus not necessary.
All he wants is investment (more money) for his native state of
Gujarat. His master Gandi loved the Christians and was beloved by
them. It is rather rich, for harmony to hate Christians so much! Not
just Christians, his god Gandi also loved the Muslims and wanted their
support - but harmony hates Muslims no less than Christians! If he
had a mind, that would be schizophrenic.
Arindam Banerjee
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Anonymous Wrote:
Arindam Banerjee, a fraud and the 'Shame of IIT'
Forwarded message:
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[ From: Richard Herring (jun...@[127.0.0.1])
[ Subject: Re: Really Cold Fusion
[ Newsgroups: sci.physics
[ Date: 2005-05-13 02:02:37 PST
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[ In message <...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com [ Arindam Banerjee <...@bigpond.com [ [ [ [
[ "That is" is not. You would need to find out what the second law really
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End of forwarded message
Arindam Banerjee is a fraud, obviously.
>>>>>> Om Shanti
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Anonymous Wrote:
Rants from the evil fraud, impostor and phony, jaiBUNDURRmaharaj,
flushed.
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On Fri, 1 May 2009 12:34:38 -0500, "harmony" <...@hotmail.com
arindam's self boasts recalls a movie i saw.
the movie star, a comedian, hits a spectacular home run in a school baseball
game thr' some outer-body help. this paves the way for the ladder of future
successes, starting with the hottest girl in the school.
now who took the test for arindam?
<...@mantra.com and/or http://www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)message news...@W6Khs...
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On Fri, 1 May 2009 15:11:38 -0500, "harmony" <...@hotmail.com
<...@d38g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 30, 11:02 am, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
Heh-heh and bow-wow, dear Straydoggie, Christianity has been there in
India for centuries. They have made strong headway in areas where
Hinduism was not strong. Such as Nagaland, which is mostly Christian
now, but they used to be animistic.
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animistic? this a 3m line. no, they were/are hindus.
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On Fri, 1 May 2009 22:22:22 +0000, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
Then.... you should go over there, right now, and help them out.
Especially. And, you can get Maharaj to help you out since he does not
like Christians, either, and he is doing nothing useful posting his crap
on these NGs.
Such as Nagaland, which is mostly Christian
I don't care.
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Anonymous Wrote:
Christianity?
Heh-heh and bow-wow, dear Straydoggie, Christianity has been there in
India for centuries. They have made strong headway in areas where
Hinduism was not strong. Such as Nagaland, which is mostly Christian
now, but they used to be animistic.
--------------------------------- animistic? this a 3m line. no, they
were/are hindus.
No, they are were tribal, that general form called animist. It the
radical mind to not know this and wanting to become missionaries to
them.
Maybe the tribals will teach the radicals a thing or two, or three ...
Having good manners and humility and respect for other cultures would be
a good start.
Tribals should not give up on radicals.
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On Sat, 2 May 2009 03:04:05 +0000, Stray Dog <...@sdf.lonestar.org
Well, I hope there is no civil war among Hindus.
However, if "indiaBPOking" and (fake Indian, fake Hindu) Jai Maharaj fall
through the trap door and into the mouths of alligators, then I will
cheer.
So, is Maharaj really a sad monkey?
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