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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 05:38:12 -0700, "Mobius" <...@do.not.respond

Apr 27, 2009

Enter, Hindu Ayatollahs

Advani's missive to sadhus portends a turn towards darkness

NEELABH MISHRA

Be prepared to make some room for armchair economists. If elected
prime minister, L.K. Advani of the God's Own Party might like to consult
ash-smeared Naga Sadhus on how to fight the recession. And in Advani's
promised dispensation, the Shankaracharya's views on India's foreign policy
and strategic options would vie for the government's attention with the
advice of experts in these areas. Please do not take this as the usual
liberal hyperbole about the swinging Hindutva bluster of the prime
ministerial aspirant and his BJP.

This is because Advani has written to over 1,000 religious leaders,
most of them Vishwa Hindu Parishad-affiliated sadhus/sants, earnestly
assuring them: "It will be my endeavour (as prime minister) to seek on a
regular basis the guidance of spiritual leaders of all denominations on
major challenges and issues facing the nation. For this, we shall evolve a
suitable consultative mechanism."

In thus seeking the 'support' of assorted godmen for his campaign,
Advani has gone beyond just vague assurances of informal consultations with
the sadhu samaj, as some apologetic BJP functionaries have tried to spin it
so as not to alarm middle-class opinions. In promising to "evolve a suitable
consultative mechanism", Advani has proposed an institutional arrangement,
something like the National Advisory Council set up by the UPA government
under the chairpersonship of Sonia Gandhi and later abandoned in the wake of
the Office of Profit controversy.

It is a pity that the party that had castigated a consultative
mechanism to seek expert non-governmental advice from qualified activists
and academics-some with long records of engagement with development
issues-has no qualms in proposing a parody like this. Religious leaders,
whatever else their accomplishments, simply have unproven abilities on these
complex issues. It is impossible to divine who Advani is fooling-the VHP's
sadhu-sant following, gullible and devout voters or himself. The Congress
and the Left have of course criticised Advani's letter on the ground that it
violates the secular character of the Constitution by brazenly mixing
religion and politics.

While the criticism is valid, the BJP would hope to wish it away by
showing the disconnect between the secularists and a generally religious
India and exploit the gap to its political advantage. But it forgets simple
truths: even a deeply devout farmer does not consult a priest or sadhu on
which crops to sow or which fertiliser or pesticide to use. And while an
industrialist might consult an astrologer for an auspicious date for
launching a new venture, he or she would never dream of soliciting advice on
running the ebusiness from the family priest. They necessarily operate on a
clean separation of categories. Thus even the average, religious Indian
voter might regard the BJP leader's proposal with some ridicule. It was not
for nothing that the most genuinely religious of Indian leaders, Gandhi, had
said he would have insisted on a secular constitution even if there had been
no religious minorities left in the country.

As the election campaign has progressed, the BJP has increasingly
raised its Hindutva pitch, probably trying to humour its core RSS support
base. It defended the indefensible misdemeanour of Varun Gandhi, and the
party manifesto resurrected core Hindutva issues like the Ram temple,
Article 370 and the Ram Setu, which were earlier denied prominence for fear
of alienating the BJP's allies in the NDA.

While issues perpetuating a sectarian schism in the polity along
Hindu-Muslim or Hindu-Christian lines have been central to the BJP-RSS
ideology of Hindu nationhood, its use of religious symbolism for political
mobilisation was not unregulated.The RSS-BJP kept religious and temporal
issues under strict segregation: for instance, corruption or national
security would never be melded with, say, the Ram temple. These would be
used as separate nodes of mobilisation altogether. But these days, the BJP
seeks religious endorsement for temporal issues. For instance, Baba Ramdev
backed Advani's call to retrieve Indian black money from Swiss banks, and
religious leaders can hope to be regularly consulted on other important
issues. The BJP's old goal of a sectarian nationhood has taken on a
pronounced theocratic hue, a retrogressive step from relative modernity to
medievalism.

While blatantly fortifying its extreme positions, the BJP no longer
cares about losing its allies or attracting new ones who lie outside the
Hindutva fold. Is it a disdain born of supreme political confidence? Or a
sense of deep resignation? In its attempted Hanuman leap of Hindutva, the
BJP should mind the political chasm before it.

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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:25:08 -0500, "harmony" <...@hotmail.com

not surprisngly, this mishra guy is a hardcore commie.

"Mobius" <...@news.motzarella.org...


On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:41:55 -0700 (PDT), Mirza Ghalib <...@yahoo.com

No need to address any point. Neelabh "who?" is
an individual, and every Indian, him or Varun Gandhi
or Lalu Yadav, has full right to burp out.

To bring a real change to India, and to free it from the
clutches of the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty, Advani has to win
the election first. If this ploy, howsoever farcical, gets
him some votes and help, why does it bother you so
much?

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:16:19 -0500, "harmony" <...@hotmail.com

"Mirza Ghalib" <...@y34g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

No need to address any point. Neelabh "who?" is
an individual, and every Indian, him or Varun Gandhi
or Lalu Yadav, has full right to burp out.

To bring a real change to India, and to free it from the
clutches of the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty, Advani has to win
the election first. If this ploy, howsoever farcical, gets
him some votes and help, why does it bother you so
much?

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it ain't weakest, it is among the strongest. that lable saves me - and all
concerned - all the trouble of splanin and understandin all his pointless
"points". who would care to address, eg, praful bidwai's "points".
get 3m out of dillie.
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Anonymous Wrote:

"No need to address any point. Neelabh "who?" is an individual, and
every Indian, him or Varun Gandhi or Lalu Yadav, has full right to burp
out."

Of course you don't attempt to refute his points that the political
radicals are in bed with the radical religious because it is true. You
can't refute his points that the radical religious will be given large
powers to rule as do the taliban whom they resemble. Valintines anyone?

"To bring a real change to India, and to free it from the clutches of
the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty, Advani has to win the election first. If this
ploy, howsoever farcical, gets him some votes and help, why does it
bother you so much?"

I am bothered not in the least that you should confirm the curse of the
label pasting in india. One doesn't have to refute ideas one only needs
to paste a label.

I think you are a commie for doing this. And because you are a commie
you are beyond being able to defend yourself sitting there in texas
where many commies live.

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it ain't weakest, it is among the strongest. that lable saves me - and
all
concerned - all the trouble of splanin and understandin all his
pointless
"points". who would care to address, eg, praful bidwai's "points".
get 3m out of dillie."

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:06:21 -0700 (PDT), uNmaiviLambi <...@yahoo.com

On Apr 21, 5:16 pm, "harmony" <...@hotmail.com

In Hindu tradition, kings have always consulted sages. One can see
this in epics. Sages are not interested in power, money etc. Hence
sages cannot and do not want to rule. Kings are influenced by such
considerations. Hence the power of kings has to be balanced by
consultation with those who do not have such interests. Hence their
ideas are very important. Today we see politicians make decisions
which are power oriented and narrow short term gains ignoring long
term goals. Only scholars who have no axe to grind can provide this
perspective. Sages know literature,tradition, value common good and
excellence and are best suited for such consultative roles. A similar
concept obtains in Rajya sabha and house of Lords etc.

Kshatriya brahmana coalition is betetr than Rajya sabha concept

Therefore it was a tradition that Kshatriyas ( rulers) always consult
brahmanas ( scholars and sages). Only such a coalition will benefit
the nation ultimately. Kshatriyas cannot rule by themselves and if
they do it will be what obtains now. Politics as it obtains now, based
on popularity rather than qualifications and merit, will descend to
corruption and vulgarity

Kshatriya brahmana coalition only will usher in proper governance

Hindu traditions are not like semitic ideas based on "beliefs". Hindu
tradition is based on profound common and uncommon sense. "Beliefs"
are not at its core but ethics, common good and morality

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