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Three Blind Israelis: "They just want to shoot rockets; the war
didn't do enough; we all blame Hamas, no one else"
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:47:23 -0700 (PDT), HHW <...@yahoo.com
Three Blind Israelis: "They just want to shoot rockets; the war didn't
do enough; we all blame Hamas, no one else"
Israeli voices: Still under fire
Three Israelis say the fear of attacks from nearby Gaza is just as
great as it was before the recent conflict. Israel's three-week
offensive in the Gaza Strip was aimed at significantly reducing
Palestinian rocket fire into southern Israel.
ATARA ORENBUCH, mother of six children, Sderot
Today we had two Qassams. Every time there's a red alert, you drop
everything and run to shelter. You lose a heartbeat each time.
I know my children are safe in school, but it's the journey there and
back I worry about. The terrorists love that time between 0730 and
0800.
Every morning, we get into the car and we don't know how it will end.
I've felt like that for eight years.
All these little things we think are normal, but they're not. Like
someone else listening out for you when you're in the shower, because
you can't hear the siren in the shower.
I reconsider five times before taking the children to a playground.
The kids have their own rooms, but they all sleep together at night,
in the room with concrete walls. That way they don't have to run in
the middle of the night - you only have 20 seconds once you hear the
siren.
When we leave for a weekend with the children, we drive straight out
of town without stopping. We've lived with these things for eight
years.
After the war there was one week of quiet. My heart was calmer and I
felt secure. But once the first Qassam exploded after the war - that
was it. The war didn't do enough.
We moved here as a family 10 years ago. Three of our six children were
born here. It was quiet 10 years ago, there wasn't the slightest idea
we'd be part of all this.
I don't even know why it started eight years ago. One thing I do know:
since Israel left Gaza, it has got worse, that's for sure.
OMRI BARSHESHET, Ashkelon
I live in Ashkelon and go to college in Sderot. I think Sderot gets it
worst; but Ashkelon is a bigger city so maybe there's more chance of
someone getting hurt there.
After the war in Gaza it was a bit quieter, but now it's just the same
as before. We usually get one or two alarms every day.
The rockets usually fall south of Ashkelon, but last weekend one fell
inside a schoolyard. I live in the north of Ashkelon, so they don't
usually come too close to me.
I welcomed the war [in Gaza], but only because we were targeted by
bombs. But in fact, it hasn't achieved anything. I feel no more
secure.
We shouldn't have ended the war when we did. We should have destroyed
Hamas, it's perfectly possible. Nothing is bullet-proof or pressure-
proof.
What the war did achieve was to empty billions of shekels from our
country's treasure chest.
I feel sorry for the people in Gaza; they are ruled by a terrorist
organisation which just wants to shoot rockets.
RAN ALON, Sderot
I was born in Sderot, this is my city, I love it very much.
In the peaceful days - about eight years ago - it was great with the
Palestinians. We could sit around together and have a laugh. But
there's no chance of that now.
There is no trust anymore. There have been about six or seven rockets
in the last few days, in or around the city.
We had this war to stop these missiles, but it hasn't stopped. Whether
it's one or 20 rockets, it's still the same. People have lost their
ordinary life; you're always thinking about where the next rocket will
explode.
It's a catastrophe on all sides. All the Israelis and the Palestinians
I know, we all blame Hamas. No-one else.
I totally supported the war; Israel had given the Palestinians a long
time to stop these attacks. But finally, the government showed it was
willing to protect people in southern Israel.
I still think Hamas is to blame. Hamas made it very hard for
Palestinians; civilians died and this is hard to know. Nobody wants to
see civilian deaths.
But we're dealing with inhuman people. They know only one way, we
cannot talk to them.
The blockade is really hard. It's making everybody miserable, not just
Hamas. But I don't see any other way to push the Palestinians to fight
against Hamas.
One good thing has come from the war: Egypt has taken control of the
Rafah border. It's finally trying to control the smuggling.
BBC
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:50:39 -0700 (PDT), Ariadne <...@gmail.com
Why do try you to repel and sicken people
with your hatred?
Are you really so vile you have to get the
filth out?
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:05:12 -0700 (PDT), HHW <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 10, 5:50 pm, Ariadne <...@gmail.com
Well, Ariadne, if you are going to use this sort of language against
anyone who calls for justice in Palestine for its Arab people, there
is nothing which can be done FOR YOU. These three speakers display the
blindness which afflicts Zionists. They can take no responsibility.
They see only one side. Justice is alien to their thought process.
They see themselves at the center of the human universe.
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:07:27 -0700, "DogT" <...@muerto.com
"HHW" <...@f1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 10, 5:50 pm, Ariadne <...@gmail.com
Well, Ariadne, if you are going to use this sort of language against
anyone who calls for justice in Palestine for its Arab people, there
is nothing which can be done FOR YOU. These three speakers display the
blindness which afflicts Zionists. They can take no responsibility.
They see only one side. Justice is alien to their thought process.
They see themselves at the center of the human universe.
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Yeah cock knocker, the three times the islamonazi pigs who
call themselves Palestinians tried to commit genocide on the
Jewish people who reside in Israel (along w/many other muslime
pigs from Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq) were just anomalies. The
fact that the charters from Hamas and Hezbollah call for the
destruction of the state of Israel is also just an inconvenient
fact.
WHy don't you FOAD?
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:41:24 -0700 (PDT), "ico...@yahoo.com" <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 12, 12:07 pm, "ÇDoügßT" <...@muerto.com
There was no genocide or attempted genocide of Jews by Palestinians.
That's a fabrication; it's your hoked-up justification for even more
essentially foreign Jewish aggression in Palestine .
The Palestinian Resistance fights the theft of its Palestinian
homeland perpetrated mostly by European Jews who came to the region
based on Zionist political theory and terrible events in Europe. Their
theory tells them that the land is theirs because the Romans exiled
them from it 2,000 year ago. In fact that's nonsense. Not only is
that no justification after 2,000 years, the exile DID NOT take place.
The Palestinians are the descendants of the Jews of the time of the
wars with Rome. They never left. They quite naturally were eventually
converted to Islam. On the other hand most of the Jews of Europe are
most probably the descendants of non-Jews who were converted to
Judaism in the Middle Ages.
The Zioniist historical arguments are clearly false. So, the question
boils down to whether the discrimination against European Jews in
Europe culminating in the Holocaust justifies them in taking another
country on another continent away from its people and expelling, i.e.,
ethnically cleansing them. My opinion is that it does not.
International legal standards prohibit it. Common sense alone condemns
it.
Now, what to do with the present situation? The Israelis are in firm
control and have elaborately developed that part of Palestine which
lies behind the "green line," the 1967 border. It is recognized as an
independent state, Israel. It possess a modern army and has probably
250 nuclear weapons. It is a Sparta-like garrison state with a state
of the art military far more powerful than their regional enemies'
combined. Wisdom suggests that a deal be struck whereby they keep
Israel.
However, the Israelis want control of all of Palestine. They are
unwilling to share it with it's native people. They can't abide the
prospect of even a tiny Independent Palestinian State on only 22% of
Palestine. This is causing their "ally," the United States, great
problems: wars, financial instability, loss of respect world-wide. The
Resistance shows no sign of ending, nor should it from the standpoint
of elementary justice. The Israelis are incredibly stubborn.
Enter the Americans with the Europeans in the supporting cast. It's
time to end it, to impose a Palestinian state upon the Israelis and to
do it in our own interests. Many of us believe that we now have a
President who is capable of leading the effort. We can only wish him
well.
The
The Hamas and Hezbollah charters are pieces of paper which can be
superseded by new pieces of paper.
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:57:12 -0700 (PDT), Ariadne <...@gmail.com
On 11 Apr, 00:05, HHW <...@yahoo.com
i.e. to describe the condition of
those desiring murderous Muslims
finish the job Hitler started - and steal the land
--
I really have no stomach for your promotion
of murder and land theft, not to mention failinig
to call lying, squatting and beggary what they
are.
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:35:27 -0700 (PDT), "ico...@yahoo.com" <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 12, 5:57 am, Ariadne <...@gmail.com
Think carefully, now. I am not your enemy.
I'll use the corporate "you." It's your feverishly politicized brain
which is at issue, not your stomach. You've created the beggary in
Palestine and the hostility throughout the Muslim World. You've
created a giant problem in the United States. You nuclearized the Near
East and now promote Armageddon as a solution for the unanticipated
consequences. I could go on for the next half hour. Suffice it to say
that you have an obligation to at least contribute in pragmatic good
faith to overcoming these problems. And instead what do you do? You
elect Netanyahu--and Lieberman You again invade Lebanon and Gaza. You
use white phosphorus against civilians. That was really helpful,
Ariadne. About as helpful as a kick in the teeth.
The Palestinians did not show up in Eastern Europe a hundred plus
years ago looking to take the Pale of Settlement or Berlin away from
the Jewish people. Remember now, the Palestinians weren't your
oppressors. Those guys were other Europeans. You simply decided to
take compensation for what the *Europeans* did to you by invading an
Asian country and expelling it people. It's pretty easy to understand
but harder to rectify. A whole century has gone into the project and
since the Holocaust we Americans have not been nearly tough-minded
enough to help you. We've been so weak as to let you go on with this
crazy project in silence. Of course you demanded the silence and the
supine support, but that's a matter of our courage having failed and
we'll have to play catch-up regarding that.
There is a giant disjunct here, Ariadne. You won't face it. You won't
even say to yourself--as if you were an experienced business-woman:
"This is a wasting dispute. It's costing more than it's worth. It's
become dangerous to the whole enterprise. I don't like it but I think
it's best to compromise, to settle the matter with a deal which
neither side especially likes. And then to get on with business." The
phrase lawyers use is to "buy one's peace." Businessmen the world over
understand the principle, but you're an ideologue. And you're blinded
by emotion. That's not practical. All political ideologies are false.
Vendettas are not an answer to anything.
The Palestinians are no more "squatters" than the French were after
the Germans set up shop in Paris in 1940. You can only help your
people in Tel Aviv by telling them the truth. And you can only help
your friends in America by cooperating with a solution instead of
forcing us to impose it on you and in the process to confront our
Jewish community in a virtual civil war. Remember now, the solution
should be as neat and tidy as possible. You're making the prospect
messy and far more dangerous than it has to be. 78% of Palestine is
plenty. You're businessmen and industrialists, scholars,
intellectuals, scientists, etc., anyway. You thrive in cities. You
don't need more real estate. You need peace. You need to be able to
concentrate on what it is you people do so well.
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:09:08 -0400, "TheZ" <...@nospam.com
You usually reap what you sow.
The Arabs sow hate and death.
"HHW" <...@f1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 10, 5:50 pm, Ariadne <...@gmail.com
Well, Ariadne, if you are going to use this sort of language against
anyone who calls for justice in Palestine for its Arab people, there
is nothing which can be done FOR YOU. These three speakers display the
blindness which afflicts Zionists. They can take no responsibility.
They see only one side. Justice is alien to their thought process.
They see themselves at the center of the human universe.
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:36:05 -0700 (PDT), "Iconoclast expa...@yahoo.com" <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 10, 9:09 pm, "TheZ" <...@nospam.com
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:58:17 -0400, Gary Renzetti <...@connection.com
Oh really? Is that similar to sowing fleshettes, cluster bombs and white
phosphorus? Hmmm?
TheZ spewed:
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:30:57 -0700 (PDT), "ico...@yahoo.com" <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 11, 3:58 pm, Gary Renzetti <...@connection.com
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:46:46 -0700 (PDT), "Iconoclast expa...@yahoo.com" <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 10, 9:09 pm, "TheZ" <...@nospam.com
I understand that the Palestinian people were peaceful farmers when
the Ashkenazi first started arriving in significant numbers, and that
it took a couple of decades for them to understand what the "Zionist"
plan actually was, i.e., for the Europeans to eventually drive them
from their homeland. You can't point at the Palestinians did not begin
this "hate and death" business in Palestine. Any people will defend
its homeland from an external aggressor and the Palestinians have been
on the defensive for over a century.
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:23:33 -0700 (PDT), "ico...@yahoo.com" <...@yahoo.com
On Apr 10, 9:46 pm, "Iconoclast expa...@yahoo.com"
<...@yahoo.com
I'm a revisionist. Hence:
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Anonymous Wrote:
On 14-Apr-2009, "DogT" <...@muerto.com
I understand that this lie is the standard Jew-hating
mantra, incorporating falsified history & racism togther ---
-- & that lies like this are also typical.
If I can decipher this ungrammatical gibberish, it most
certainly is a lie (which you cover, below).
As always, one lies leads to another.
But, unfortunately for everyone else, not hard enough.
Susan
> you so admire?
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