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Apple slideshow burn to CD, play on IBM: Mac Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review
My frustrated friend is trying to send me slideshows of his images, put together on his Mac, and then sends them burnt on a CD to me with my IBM XP Pro computer.
His captions don't show, and he also wants the exif data preserved.
I must say his slideshows would be better with a commentry.
I can see the images, but no captions.
Luckily he also burns the original full image files so I get the big picture, not just the small imagery which his iPhoto software has presented.
Picassa doesn't seem to work to show the captions.
Can anyone advise of a cross platform program we can use either way, allowing captions in an easy play format for both computers??
Many thanks David S
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You don't say what slideshow software your friend is using, but most software applications either OS X or Windows are capable of several hardware neutral output formats.
For instance his software can probably save in DVD (VOB) format.
You could play this format of slideshow on your TV via an ordinary domestic DVD player.
He might also be able to save in Adobe Flash Player format..
Flash plays easily on Mac or PC.
The only problem with these formats is that you would no longer have access to the original files and the EXIF data they contain.
You friend would have to send these separately.
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David mentioned iPhoto as the software used.
In fact possibilities to export slideshow from iPhoto are limited.
Depending on iPhoto version you will have possibility to export to iDVD program (and create DVD there) or QuickTime movie (if this is iPhoto'09).
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/8170099@N02/
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Bump.
Anyone else got any experience or suggestions on this arcane problem?
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David Quote: :
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Bump.
> Anyone else got any experience or suggestions on this arcane problem?
Your Mac friend might give iView Multimedia a try...
You can still download it here...
http://www.brothersoft.com/iview-mediapro-for-mac-download-94731.html
Lots of export features, slideshow features, there's even a catalog reader that is platform independent.
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IView does not allow any titles or comments to be added!
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IView does not allow any titles or comments to be added!
Let me check on that.
IView Multimedia Pro 3 for mac is pretty flexible and most folks aren't familiar with all its capabilities, including the iView Catalog Reader.
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I've done some testing with iView Multimedia Pro 3.13 and the iView Catalog Reader and yes, you can display in slideshow format the images and the information (well, most of it probably) you want to see.
The trick is to not use the iView Multimedia Pro program itself to create and view the slideshow.
Use the iView Catalog reader, load up the selected iView catalog file and -- from within the Catalog Reader -- select 'slideshow' to view the catalog.
iView Catalog reader allows you to vary many of the aspects of the slideshow process, including displaying on the screen the information you want to see such as Title, media info, photo info, GPS info, location, people, credits, and caption (which you can use as 'comments').
To access this information, look under 'Text' in the iView Catalog Reader slideshow options.
So..
The way this will work is your friend creates the catalog of his photo files using iView Multimedia Pro, saves that file and then emails it or burns it to a CD to mail to you.
You already have the iView Catalog Reader on your PC.
When you get the cd, you can view the cd file on your computer.
If your friend wants to download iView and iView Catalog Reader and has any questions at all, please send me an email.
I'll do what I can.
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Thanks Mickey, for your response.
I'll look into the program in more depth, and be aware of the foibles you mentioned.
Again thank you for your help, it's quite frustrating for something which should be simple and straight forward.
Dave S
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David.. I found out iView Catalog Reader is still a free download, Mac or PC.
http://www.iview-multimedia.com/downloads/
And while running the Catalog Reader in slideshow mode with the options window panel on the screen, selecting the 'Info' tab and then using the arrows at the bottom you can scroll thru a huge list of different IPTC-type pic information.
I swear, every time I dive into these programs I learn something new and am more impressed.
Apple was incredibly stupid to let this app get bought up by Microsoft - who promptly ruined it.
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Hi David,
If he has an Intel based Mac with OS 10.4 or better and can run Bootcamp, etc., then you might think about PicturesToExe
http://www.wnsoft.com
PicturesToExe (PTE) in the latest beta of what will be released as Version 6.0 is a Windows based software but can output native MacIntosh executable format as well.
The beta is available and fully functional for all PTE registered users to use.
The release will be very soon.
The bottom line is that this is a fantastic piece of software which produces stellar slideshows in either executable format for Mac or PC as well as DVD or MP4 h.264, AVI, MPEG II, etc.
You can do any type of captions and they will be visible as the originals on any system in the original fonts.
The program vectorizes fonts so they don't need to be resident on the computer used for playback.
As far as the EXIF data is concerned, he would need to extract as text and place that with the image because slideshow software really isn't designed to allow the user to view all exif data.
There are provisions for outputting some exif data, but the images are part of either an executable file or a video file depending on the particulars of output.
To have full EXIF data available then he would need to send the actual photos as jpgs.
This could be done as greatly reduced image sizes using any image editor such as Irfanview.
They could even be thumbnail size and still retain the exif header, but need to be sent as images rather than as part of a slideshow.
Best regards,
Lin
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My frustrated friend is trying to send me slideshows of his images, put together on his Mac, and then sends them burnt on a CD to me with my IBM XP Pro computer.
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His captions don't show, and he also wants the exif data preserved.
I must say his slideshows would be better with a commentry.
I can see the images, but no captions.
Luckily he also burns the original full image files so I get the big picture, not just the small imagery which his iPhoto software has presented.
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Picassa doesn't seem to work to show the captions.
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Can anyone advise of a cross platform program we can use either way, allowing captions in an easy play format for both computers??
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Many thanks David S
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Thanks Lin, thanks everyone.
All rather clunky though isn't it?
Certainly not a seamless method available?
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Hi David,
Yes, right now there are really no cross-platform presentation slideshow programs available.
PTE will be cross platform in the future.
The developers have been working on a MacIntosh version for some time now but it takes a great deal of time, effort and debugging to make a major software in two platforms so it may be eight months or so before PTE is fully cross-platform.
The nice thing about PTE is that the main program has free upgrades for life so that an investment now is not lost down the road.
Best regards,
Lin
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Why not just put the JPEGs on the CD?
Both Windows and Mac OS X can natively do a slide show from a folder of JPEGs.
And the full resolution of the original images, as well as the EDIF will be present.
Viewing order can be specified by prepending a sequence number to the files and then sorting in alphabetical order.
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Personal gallery at http://almy.us/gallery
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Not everyone uses Vista - not a feature on XP, etc.
Lin
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Bring up the folder properties, go to customize, and specify you want a Pictures folder type.
Then you get Picture Tasks in the folder, including Slide Show.
Not intuitive, but you only need to do it once (per folder).
Not in Windows 2000, and I'd expect not in 98 or ME, but the OP was particularly concerned with XP.
On the Mac side you need Leopard with it's Quick Look feature to get a slide show in Finder.
Much later to the game, but easier to use.
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Equipment in my User Profile.
Personal gallery at http://almy.us/gallery
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When I do as you suggest, I'm not seeing anything called "Picture Tasks" at all, nor do I find it on a search.
Are you certain this is a feature of "all" XP types?
I'm using XP Home Edition.
Best regards,
Lin
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Bring up the folder properties, go to customize, and specify you want a Pictures folder type.
Then you get Picture Tasks in the folder, including Slide Show.
Not intuitive, but you only need to do it once (per folder).
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Not in Windows 2000, and I'd expect not in 98 or ME, but the OP was particularly concerned with XP.
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On the Mac side you need Leopard with it's Quick Look feature to get a slide show in Finder.
Much later to the game, but easier to use.
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Normally I use XP Pro, but I do have a copy of Home.
I tried it and it is there.
The snapshot below shows the folder properties and the resulting Windows Explorer display.
http://almy.us/images/capture.jpg
(I use the Classic style display, but the default XP style would be the same.)
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The fact that your list includes "order photos online" tends to make me think that some application program you have resident is giving you these choices rather than Windows.
I don't see what you are seeing on any of three systems with Windows XP Home Edition.
Below is what I get:
Best regards,
Lin
http://www.lin-evans.net/photos/properties.jpg
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Click the "Folders" button.
It's a toggle. When the folders tree isn't being displayed you see the tasks.
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Personal gallery at http://almy.us/gallery
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It's good to learn something new every day!
Not as straight-forward as I would like, but definitely one way to do it.
Best regards,
Lin
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I just found a quicker way.
Just go to the folder containing the images.
Right-click on the first image and select "Preview" then click on the 5th button from the left (the one that looks like a slide projector screen) or press F11.
You get a slide show of all the images in the folder.
However the first approach has the advantage of the filmstrip view (sort of a poor relative to Cover Flow).
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I think you over complicated it.
I'm not at a windows machine right now.
But I think windows picture and fax viewer (windows default image viewer/"equivalent" to preview) has a button on the bottom to kick it into slide show, so you don't have to keep hitting next.
Not that hitting the next button is hard, though amazingly so few people ever notice it's there and instead keep clicking on photos in explorer over and over.
As a side note I really wish apple would fix preview so I could just click one photo in a folder, and then proceed with the next button to view the others instead of having the select all the images in the folder before opening them.
As is, is a major PITA and sucks a ton of RAM.
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> I think you over complicated it.
I'm not at a windows machine right now.
But I think windows picture and fax viewer (windows default image viewer/"equivalent" to preview) has a button on the bottom to kick it into slide show, so you don't have to keep hitting next.
Yep, I already realized that and pointed it out in my reply "Shortcut".
However without that extra step you don't get the filmstrip view of the folder, which is much like Cover Flow view on the Mac (but not as fancy).
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As a side note I really wish apple would fix preview so I could just click one photo in a folder, and then proceed with the next button to view the others instead of having the select all the images in the folder before opening them.
As is, is a major PITA and sucks a ton of RAM.
No reason to use Preview on the Leopards.
Just Command-A and spacebar and you have your slide show.
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Personal gallery at http://almy.us/gallery
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I think you over complicated it.
I'm not at a windows machine right now.
But I think windows picture and fax viewer (windows default image viewer/"equivalent" to preview) has a button on the bottom to kick it into slide show, so you don't have to keep hitting next.
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Yep, I already realized that and pointed it out in my reply "Shortcut".
However without that extra step you don't get the filmstrip view of the folder, which is much like Cover Flow view on the Mac (but not as fancy).
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As is, is a major PITA and sucks a ton of RAM.
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No reason to use Preview on the Leopards.
Just Command-A and spacebar and you have your slide show.
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I don't want slide shows though, so that's not a good solution.
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If you happen to have the Adobe Creative Suite, you can use InDesign to author multimedia PDFs that are certainly cross platform.
LensWork magazine does this.
Of course, if you don't have the Creative Suite it's way too much money to spend just to solve this problem.
If you have Apple iWork, you could try making a slide show in Keynote, since you could add captions and export to a cross-platform format such as a PDF or a movie.
Either of those PDF outputs should be better than using a more proprietary and less supported player, such as the out-of-date iView app.
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He, and I, want to be able to add captions (commentry) to the slide show.
It's not much good just sending pics to someone if they don't know anything about them.
So need full size original images and able to have caption included, and play as a slideshow on both IBM and Mac platforms.
If the slideshow is difficult we can just move through images using keyboard or mouse would be OK.
But need captions and the original images to burn to CD.
Obviously having 60-100 images at full size is way beyond sensible email, so will have to be burnt to CD or DVD as individual images (files), and then posted by snail mail.
I suppose the images can be put into Powerpoint, or Word, with captions, at full and reasonable resolution, but that loses the exif data.
Also the image file name can be renamed to be a title eg "down at the beach with dolphins and a barbecue.jpg", but that's clunky too, and some programs still don't like very long titles for files.
Thank you, any suggestions??
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I use "down at the beach with dolphins and a barbecue.jpg" because it's the only way I know of to be completely portable.
The approaches with "sidecar" files or databases lock you into a proprietary marking system.
I haven't had an application that can't handle long file names in at least a decade now.
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Thanks Talmy...all still entirely unsatisfactory.
Computers have really locked us in to the modern age.
And left us in some dead-end alleys.
Pity really, would have thought a little research would have gone into what seems to be well worth solving.
Talmy even using the method
"down at the beach with dolphins and a barbecue.jpg" the slides have to have prefixes numbered/lettered to give a sequence for a slide show or sequential showing.
I suppose making a word doc, and turning it into a PDF file.
But that would take a huge amount of computing powerand a long time doing the conversion for say 100-200 images.
Again making the word doc takes time too, and tooling around with fitting images to pages, etc..
I suppose just send the images as files copied to a disk, and accompany the disk with a printed page of titles/commentry.
See the image,read the printed page of captions.
I'm reall having to scratch my head at this stage...
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> I use "down at the beach with dolphins and a barbecue.jpg" because it's the only way I know of to be completely portable.
The approaches with "sidecar" files or databases lock you into a proprietary marking system.
I haven't had an application that can't handle long file names in at least a decade now.
I have the opposite experience.
As long as the apps are IPTC compatible, I can read an images keywords and captions in anything.
Bridge, Lightroom, Preview, Photoshop, iView, Mac desktop via Get Info, etc.
So my file names are serial numbers and all the info is in the files and totally portable.
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