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All-Time All-Franchise Teams - NYYFans.com Forum
Using: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, (DH), five SP, and one or two RP.
DH can be factored in or left out.
Usually the DH is the best hitter not chosen.
But some AL teams use their actual best DH.
Passed-over players can be mentally substituted if you feel the need.
(e.g., if you think Reggie or Rickey ought to be the Yankees DH - although I can't see how you pass up Mattingly)
In general a player has to have at least two great years or three good years to be considered a member of a team.
But some teams (especially expansion teams) don't have a player who had ANY good years at a certain position.
So, for example, the Padres get Alomar at second out of pity.
Note: Players are strictly judged by how they performed for each particular team .
In the case of Renteria on the Marlins, for example, you're supposed to think of him strictly as he was on the Marlins.
The Marlins get no credit for how Renteria has performed in St.
Louis. (But he still might be Florida's best SS, of course.) That goes for all the players and pitchers.
This list was created with the help of several posters on redsoxnation.net
Most of the selections are from memory, with a little help from baseballreference.com.
Looking forward to some feedback and sub-topics:
Which teams have the best outfields, infields, starters, all-around rosters...etc.
Red Sox.
C - Carlton Fisk
1B - Jimmie Foxx
2B - Bobby Doerr
3B - Wade Boggs
SS - Nomar Garciaparra (over Joe Cronin)
OF - Ted Williams
OF - Tris Speaker
OF - Carl Yastrzemski (over Jim Rice, Dwight Evans)
(DH - Manny Ramirez) (over Mo Vaughn, David Ortiz)
SP - Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Cy Young, Lefty Grove, Smokey Joe Wood
(over Babe Ruth, Carl Mays, Ernie Shore, Dutch Leonard, Luis Tiant, Mel Parnell)
RP - Bob Stanley, Dick Radatz
Yankees.
C - Yogi Berra (over Bill Dickey)
1B - Lou Gehrig
2B - Tony Lazzeri
3B - Graig Nettles (over Red Rolfe)
SS - Derek Jeter
OF - Babe Ruth
OF - Joe DiMaggio
OF - Mickey Mantle
(DH - Don Mattingly)
(over Dickey, Reggie, Winfield, Earle Combs, Bernie, Rickey Henderson, Charlie Keller, O'Neill)
(The Yankees' best actual DH was a sub-par Don Baylor)
SP - Whitey Ford, Red Ruffing, Ron Guidry, Lefty Gomez, Jack Chesbro
(over Pettitte, Carl Mays, Stottlemyre, Catfish Hunter, Clemens, Mussina, Wells, Hoyt, Pennock, Cone)
RP - Mariano Rivera, Goose Gossage/Dave Righetti (tie)
Seems to jibe with other All-Yankees teams I've found on this site:
http://www.ahs.albany.k12.ny.us/ahs/...s/2002/jreyes/
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread...light=all+time
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread...light=all+time
Giants.
C - Buck Ewing
1B - Willie McCovey (over Bill Terry, Johnny Mize, Will Clark, Roger Connor)
2B - Jeff Kent
SS - George Davis or Travis Jackson
3B - Matt Williams (over Bobby Thomson)
OF - Willie Mays
OF - Mel Ott
OF - Barry Bonds
(DH - Bill Terry)
(over Orlando Cepeda, Johnny Mize, Bobby Bonds, Bobby Thomson)
SP - Christy Mathewson, Juan Marichal, Carl Hubbell, Gaylord Perry, and Amos Rusie
(over Joe McGinnity, Tim Keefe, Rube Marquard, Johnny Antonelli, Mickey Welch, Jason Schmidt)
RP - Robb Nen, Rod Beck
Phillies.
C - Darren Daulton
1B - Jim Thome
2B - Nap Lajoie (over Juan Samuel)
3B - Mike Schmidt (over Dick Allen and Scott Rolen)
SS - Larry Bowa
OF - Ed Delahanty
OF - Richie Ashburn
OF - Sam Thompson
(DH - Dick Allen)
SP - Steve Carlton, Robin Roberts, Pete Alexander, Curt Schilling, Jim Bunning
RP - Steve Bedrosian, Tug McGraw
Cardinals.
C - Ted Simmons
1B - Albert Pujols (over McGwire, Mize, Bottomley, and Hernandez)
2B - Rogers Hornsby
3B - Ken Boyer (over Rolen)
SS - Ozzie Smith
OF - Stan Musial
OF - Lou Brock
OF - Jim Edmonds (over Medwick and Slaughter)
(DH - Mark McGwire)
P - Bob Gibson, Dizzy Dean, Steve Carlton (Cards-era), Matt Morris, and Mort Cooper
RP - Lee Smith, Bruce Sutter
Athletics.
C - Mickey Cochrane
1B - Jimmie Foxx
2B - Eddie Collins
3B - Eric Chavez (over Jimmy Dykes)
SS - Miguel Tejada
OF - Reggie Jackson
OF - Rickey Henderson
OF - Al Simmons (over Jose Canseco)
(DH - Mark McGwire)
SP - Lefty Grove, Catfish Hunter, Vida Blue, Dave Stewart, Eddie Plank
RP - Dennis Eckersley, Rollie Fingers
Dodgers.
C - Mike Piazza (over Roy Campanella)
1B - Gil Hodges (over Steve Garvey)
2B - Jackie Robinson
SS - Pee Wee Reese (over Maury Wills)
3B - Ron Cey (over Adrian Beltre)
OF - Duke Snider
OF - Zack Wheat
OF - Carl Furillo
(DH - Roy Campanella)
SP - Sandy Koufax, Orel Hershiser, Don Drysdale, Dazzy Vance, Fernando Valenzuela
(over Don Sutton, Kevin Brown)
RP - Eric Gagne, Mike Marshall
Cleveland.
C - Steve O'Neill
1B - Jim Thome
2B - Napoleon Lajoie
3B - Al Rosen
SS - Joe Sewell (over Lou Boudreau and Omar Vizquel)
OF - Manny Ramirez (over Rocky Colavito)
OF - Earl Averill
OF - Tris Speaker
(DH - Albert Belle) (over Shoeless Joe Jackson)
SP - Bob Feller, Early Wynn, Stan Coveleski, Addie Joss, Cy Young
(over Bob Lemon and Mel Harder)
RP - Jose Mesa, Doug Jones
Cubs.
C - Gabby Hartnett
1B - Cap Anson
2B - Ryne Sandberg
SS - Ernie Banks
3B - Ron Santo
OF - Sammy Sosa
OF - Hack Wilson
OF - Billy Williams (over Dawson)
(DH - Andre Dawson)
SP - Three Finger Brown, Pete Alexander, Greg Maddux (Cubs-era), Fergie Jenkins, and Hippo Vaughn
(over Kerry Wood, Rick Sutcliffe, and Jack Pfiester)
RP - Lee Smith, Bruce Sutter
Senators/Twins.
C - Earl Battey (over Muddy Ruel)
1B - Kent Hrbek (over Mickey Vernon)
2B - Rod Carew
SS - Joe Cronin
3B - Harmon Killebrew
OF - Kirby Puckett
OF - Goose Goslin
OF - Sam Rice
(over Tony Oliva, Heinie Manush, Torii Hunter, and Clyde Milan)
(DH - Tony Oliva)
SP - Walter Johnson, Bert Blyleven, Jim Kaat, Dutch Leonard, Frank Viola (over Jim Perry)
RP - Rick Aguilera
(over Eddie Guardado, Firpo Marberry, Ron Perranoski, and Jeff Reardon)
Reds.
C - Johnny Bench
1B - Tony Perez
2B - Joe Morgan
3B - Pete Rose
SS - Barry Larkin
OF - Frank Robinson
OF - George Foster
OF - Edd Roush
(DH - Eric Davis)
SP - Eppa Rixey, Tom Seaver, Johnny Vander Meer, Jim Maloney, Jose Rijo
RP - John Franco
Pirates.
C - Jason Kendall
1B - Willie Stargell
2B - Bill Mazeroski
3B - Pie Traynor (over Bill Madlock)
SS - Honus Wagner (over Arky Vaughn)
OF - Roberto Clemente
OF - Ralph Kiner
OF - Paul Waner
(DH - Arky Vaughan)
(over Dave Parker, Brian Giles, Lloyd Waner, Fred Clarke, Jake Beckley)
SP - Wilbur Cooper, Bob Friend, Vern Law, Rick Rhoden, Doc Ellis
RP - Kent Tekulve, Roy Face
Browns/Orioles.
C - Rick Dempsey
1B - George Sisler
SS - Cal Ripken Jr.
(over Mark Belanger)
2B - Roberto Alomar (Orioles-era) or Bobby Grich (Orioles-era)
3B - Brooks Robinson
OF - Frank Robinson
OF - Al Bumbry
OF - Ken Williams (over Jack Tobin, Baby Doll Jacobsen)
(DH - Eddie Murray) (over Rafael Palmeiro)
SP - Mike Mussina, Jim Palmer, Mike Flanagan, Mike Boddiker, Dennis Martinez
RP - Gregg Olson, Hoyt Wilhelm (Orioles-era)
Tigers.
C - Bill Freehan (over Parrish)
1B - Hank Greenberg
2B - Charley Gehringer
SS - Alan Trammell
3B - George Kell
OF - Ty Cobb
OF - Al Kaline
OF - Harry Heilmann
(over Kirk Gibson, Sam Crawford, and Bobby Veach)
(DH - Sam Crawford)
SP - Hal Newhouser, Jack Morris, Jim Bunning, Mickey Lolich, Dizzy Trout
(over McLain and Bridges)
RP - Willie Hernandez, Mike Henneman
Braves.
C - Javy Lopez
1B - Joe Adcock
2B - Bobby Lowe
SS - Rabbit Maranville
3B - Eddie Mathews (over Jimmy Collins, Bob Horner, Bob Elliott, Chipper Jones)
OF - Hank Aaron
OF - Dale Murphy
OF - Hugh Duffy (over Andruw Jones, Ron Gant, and Wally Berger)
(DH - Chipper Jones)
SP - Warren Spahn, Kid Nichols, Greg Maddux, Lew Burdette, and Tom Glavine (over Phil Niekro)
RP - John Smoltz, Steve Bedrosian
White Sox.
(Black Sox be damned.)
C - Carlton Fisk
1B - Frank Thomas
2B - Eddie Collins
SS - Luke Appling
3B - Robin Ventura
LF - Shoeless Joe Jackson
CF - Minnie Minoso
RF - Magglio Ordonez (over Johnny Mostil and Carlos Lee)
(DH - Albert Belle)
(over Harold Baines, Dick Allen, Carlos Lee, Paul Konerko, and Greg Luzinski)
SP - Ted Lyons, Ed Walsh, Red Faber, Wilbur Wood, Eddie Cicotte
(over Billy Pierce and Doc White)
RP - Hoyt Wilhelm, Bobby Thigpen
Rangers.
C - Ivan Rodriguez
1B - Rafael Palmeiro
2B - Julio Franco (the batting champ - over Alfonso Soriano and Bump Wills)
3B - Hank Blalock (over Dean Palmer)
SS - Alex Rodriguez
OF - Juan Gonzalez
OF - Frank Howard
OF - Ruben Sierra (over Rusty Greer and Jeff Burroughs)
(DH - Larry Parrish)
SP - Charlie Hough, Kenny Rogers, Texas-era Fergie Jenkins, Texas-era Kevin Brown, Texas-era Nolan Ryan
RP - John Wetteland, Ron Kline (over Jeff Russell)
Mariners.
C - Dan Wilson
1B - Alvin Davis
2B - Bret Boone (over Harold Reynolds)
3B - Jim Presley or Russ Davis
SS - Alex Rodriguez
OF - Ken Griffey Jr.
OF - Ichiro Suzuki
OF - Jay Buhner
(DH - Edgar Martinez)
SP - Randy Johnson, Mark Langston, Freddy Garcia, Jamie Moyer
RP - Kaz Sasaki
Expos.
C - Gary Carter
1B - Andres Galaragga
2B - Jose Vidro
3B - Tim Wallach
SS - Orlando Cabrera
OF - Andre Dawson
OF - Tim Raines
OF - Vlad Guerrero
(DH - Larry Walker) (over Moises Alou and Larry Parrish)
SP - Dennis Martinez, Pedro Martinez, Javier Vazquez, Steve Rogers, Bryn Smith
RP - Jeff Reardon, John Wetteland (over Ugie Urbina)
Mets.
C - Mike Piazza
1B - Keith Hernandez
2B - Edgardo Alfonzo (over Met-era Jeff Kent)
3B - Howard Johnson
SS - Rey Ordonez
OF - Darryl Strawbery
OF - Kevin McReynolds
OF - Cleon Jones
(DH - Tommy Agee) (over Mets-era Bobby Bonilla)
SP - Tom Seaver, Jerry Koosman, Dwight Gooden, Ron Darling, David Cone
RP - John Franco
Astros.
C - Brad Ausmus
1B - Jeff Bagwell
2B - Craig Biggio (over Astros-era Joe Morgan or Jeff Kent prematurely)
3B - Doug Rader (over Caminiti)
SS - Dickie Thon
OF - Jose Cruz
OF - Jimmy Wynn
OF - Cesar Cedeno (over Rusty Staub)
(DH - Lance Berkman)
SP - Nolan Ryan, JR Richard, Mike Scott, Joe Niekro, Roy Oswalt
(over Don Wilson and Larry Dierker)
RP - Billy Wagner, Dave Smith
Blue Jays.
C - Ernie Whitt
1B - Carlos Delgado (over John Olerud and Fred McGriff)
2B - Roberto Alomar
3B - Kelly Gruber
SS - Tony Fernandez
OF - George Bell
OF - Jesse Barfield
OF - Joe Carter
(DH - Paul Molitor)
SP - Dave Steib, Jimmy Key, Roy Halladay, David Wells, Roger Clemens (Toronto-era)
RP - Tom Henke
Angels.
C - Bob Boone
1B - Rod Carew
2B - Bobby Grich
3B - Troy Glaus (over Doug DeCinces)
SS - Jim Fregosi
OF - Tim Salmon
OF - Garret Anderson
OF - Brian Downing (over Jim Edmonds and Gary Pettis)
(DH - Don Baylor) (over Angles-era Reggie Jackson)
SP - Nolan Ryan, Chuck Finley, Mike Witt, Mark Langston, Frank Tanana
RP - Troy Percival
Brewers.
C - Dave Nilsson
1B - Cecil Cooper (over Richie Sexson and George Scott)
2B - Jim Gantner
3B - Paul Molitor
SS - Robin Yount
OF - Ben Oglivie
OF - Jeremy Burnitz
OF - Gorman Thomas (over Greg Vaughn and Geoff Jenkins)
(DH - Richie Sexson) (over Hank Aaron's last two, sub-par years)
SP - Teddy Higuera, Chris Bosio, Moose Haas, Mike Caldwell, Ben Sheets (over Cal Eldred)
RP - Dan Plesac, Brewers-era Rollie Fingers
Marlins.
C - Charles Johnson
1B - Derrek Lee
2B - Luis Castillo
3B - Mike Lowell
SS - Edgar Renteria (Marlins-era)
OF - Gary Sheffield
OF - Preston Wilson
OF - Cliff Floyd (over Jeff Conine and Juan Pierre - so far)
(DH - Jeff Conine)
SP - Kevin Brown, Josh Beckett, Dontrelle Willis, Al Leiter, Brad Penny
RP - Robb Nen, Antonio Alfonseca.
Royals.
C - Darrell Porter (over Mike Macfarlane)
1B - Mike Sweeney
2B - Frank White
3B - George Brett
SS - Freddie Patek
OF - Willie Wilson
OF - Carlos Beltran
OF - Bo Jackson (over Amos Otis and Danny Tartabull)
(DH - Hal McRae)
SP - Bret Saberhagen, Kevin Appier, Dennis Leonard, Charlie Leibrandt, Paul Splittorff
(over Gura, Gubicza)
RP - Dan Quisenberry, Jeff Montgomery
Diamondbacks.
C - Damian Miller
1B - Mark Grace
2B - Jay Bell
3B - Matt Williams
SS - Tony Womack
OF - Luis Gonzalez
OF - Steve Finley
OF - Reggie Sanders
(DH - Junior Spivey)
SP - Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Brandon Webb, Miguel Batista
RP - BK Kim, Matt Mantei
Padres.
C - Benito Santiago
1B - Fred McGriff (brief)
2B - Roberto Alomar (brief)
3B - Phil Nevin
SS - Garry Templeton
OF - Tony Gwynn
OF - Dave Winfield
OF - Steve Finley
(DH - Greg Vaughn) (brief)
SP - Randy Jones, Andy Benes, Eric Show, Andy Ashby, Bruce Hurst
RP - Trevor Hoffman
Rockies.
C - Charles Johnson
1B - Todd Helton (over Andres Galarraga)
2B - Eric Young
3B - Vinny Castilla
SS - Neifi Perez
OF - Larry Walker
OF - Dante Bichette
OF - Juan Pierre
(DH - Andres Galarraga) (over Ellis Burks)
SP - Jason Jennings, Shawn Chacon, Pedro Astacio, Darryl Kile, Mike Hampton (over Denny Neagle)
RP - Jose Jimenez
Devil Rays.
(McGriff and Canseco = quality of play during brief time with Tampa Bay)
C - Toby Hall
1B - Fred McGriff
2B - Marlon Anderson
SS - Julio Lugo
3B - Aubrey Huff
LF - Carl Crawford
CF - Rocco Baldelli
RF - Randy Winn
(DH - Jose Canseco)
SP - Joe Kennedy, Rolando Arrojo, Tanyon Sturtze, Paul Wilson, Victor Zambrano
RP - Esteban Yan
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Well, no replies yet...
I rank the Red Sox #1, based on their starting pitching.
Having 4 of the greatest 12 pitchers of all time sets them apart.
Also, having a HOFer at every position helps.
(BTW, the Yankees haven't had a third baseman play any of his HOF years for them.
Joe Sewell, Home Run Baker, Wade Boggs, and now ARod...they did all their hall-of-faming for other teams.
So you haven't really had a HOFer at every position.
Not until ARod has a couple more for you.)
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So some changes/corrections:
- Put Biggio in his rightful place, 2B, and added Ausmus.
- Subbed Huff for Boggs at 3B for TB, added Winn to OF.
- Added Catfish Hunter to the A's (how did I forget?), yanked Hudson.
- Added Alexander (another big goof) and Hippo Vaughn to the Cubs.
Took out Sutcliffe and Wood.
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As for best outfield, I'd say the Giants edge out the Yankees.
Bonds and Mays = 2 of the best 6 of all time, if not 2 of the best 3.
I can't decide who has the best infield.
Any help?
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Best pair of relievers: Oakland w/ Eck and Rollie.
Yanks a close second with Rivera and either Gossage or Righetti.
Still can't pick an infield.
Can't even narrow it down to a handful...
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Hmmm...still no replies.
I'll assume that means that everyone agrees with the teams.
And that everyone agrees that the Red Sox have the best all-time team.
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Did you get that from somehwere or make it up yourself?
If you made it up yourself that's very very impressive!
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Thanks!
I picked 15 of them (mostly from memory but with a little help from baseballreference.com).
The others were picked by various members of redsoxnation.net (Clyde Engle, JohnTheBaptist, Tyrone Biggums, LuisAparicio, Seabass, CTLovesTheSox, bottom9th, staz, B36_11_17, Section40Forever).
I edited the final list.
Here's the link:
http://redsoxnation.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=10349
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Babe Ruth should be a starter on the Boston pitching staff
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It was definitely a tough call, leaving out Ruth.
YR AGE - W L - CG SO - IP HITS BB K - ERA lgERA ERA+
1915 20 - 18 8 - 16 1 - 217.7 166 85 112 - 2.44 2.78 114
1916 21 - 23 12 - 23 9 - 323.7 230 118 170 - 1.75 2.77 158
1917 22 - 24 13 - 35 6 - 326.3 244 108 128 - 2.01 2.58 128
1918 23 - 13 7 - 18 1 - 166.3 125 49 40 - 2.22 2.69 121
1919 24 - 9 5 - 12 0 - 133.3 148 58 30 - 2.97 3.02 102
But Smokey Joe was more dominant for more years.
1909 19 - 11 7 - 13 4 - 160.7 121 43 88 - 2.18 2.50 114
1910 20 - 12 13 - 14 3 - 198.7 155 56 145 - 1.68 2.54 152
1911 21 - 23 17 - 25 5 - 275.7 226 76 231 - 2.02 3.27 162
1912 22 - 34 5 - 35 10 - 344.0 267 82 258 - 1.91 3.44 180
1913 23 - 11 5 - 12 1 - 145.7 120 61 123 - 2.29 2.93 128
1914 24 - 9 3 - 11 1 - 113.3 94 34 67 - 2.62 2.68 102
1915 25 - 15 5 - 10 3 - 157.3 120 44 63 - 1.49 2.78 187
The one advantage Ruth would have is that he is still one of the best postseason pitchers of all time.
Three WS games in which he absolutely blew away the competition.
(Simply amazing...No matter how many home runs Bonds hits, until we see a Bonds who can pitch like Maddux, Ruth will always be the best player of all time.)
Meanwhile, Wood only pitched in the 1912 WS, and was less than stellar.
Tough call!
But I reluctantly choose Smokey Joe.
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For the Tigers team, I would put Bill Freehan over Lance Parrish (better with the glove, great with the bat in relation to his time period).
Hernandez had a better peak, but I would argue John Hiller/Mike Henneman in terms of consistency for the closer.
Also, not a slam on the Yankees, but doesn't it seem odd that for being the best baseball franchise of all time, they only have one all-time great starter (Whitey)?
I know Ruffing, Goofy, Chesbro, Hoyt, and Pennock are in the Hall, but they generally aren't considered the upper echelon of pitchers.
I also know that they have employed great pitchers (Clemens, Catfish, Niekro, Gaylord) not at their prime.
I guess they make up for it with the almost all-Hall batting order:
Dickey/Berra, Gehrig, Lazzeri, Rizzuto (Jeter will be), Ruth, DiMaggio, Mantle, whoever.
The only exception is third place--which could be remedied by A-Rod.
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You're totally right about Freehan over Parrish.
I'm changing that ASAP.
Henneman was definitely more consistent.
But Hernandez won the CY and MVP for a title winner!
That's got to earn him the spot, IMO.
RE: Yankees all-time pitching...
I'm not sure the Yankees have even had a top 25 starting pitcher.
Whitey Ford's claim to all-time greatness is all W-L%.
Rivera could arguably be in the top 25 pitchers overall.
Of course, their lineup is extraordinary.
HOF at every position except third.
And they've had enough pitching to win 26 titles, so...
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It is interesting to note that while the best Yankees third basemen (Nettles and Rolfe) are not HOFers, they have employed several HOF third baseman, notably Frank "Home Run" Baker, Joe Sewell, and Wade Boggs.
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Here's my Yankees franchise based on career Yanks:
C: Bill Dickey (Berra was a Met briefly)
1B: Lou Gehrig
2B: Bobby Richardson
3B: Red Rolfe
SS: Derek Jeter (for now, Rizzuto for career)
LF: Roy White
CF: Joe DiMaggio
RF: Tommy Henrich, out of the actual men that played right field
DH: Mickey Mantle (although on a real team, Mantle would bump Henrich, and Earle Combs would be in there too)
Rotation
SP: Whitey Ford
SP: Ron Guidry
SP: Mel Stottlemyre
SP: Spud Chandler
SP: (technically) Orlando Hernandez (has been with the Expos, but never pitched there, career Yankee for now)
CP: Mariano Rivera (for now)
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Ok guys, here it is...
C Carlton Fisk
1B Frank Thomas
2B Nellie Fox
SS Luke Appling
3B Robin Ventura
OF Shoeless Joe Jackson
OF Magglio Ordonez
OF Minnie Minoso
P Billy Pierce
P Ed Walsh
P Ted Lyons
P Doc White
P Jack McDowell
RP Hoyt Wilhelm
RP Bobby Thigpen
DH Harold Baines
It's not the '27 Yanks but it's the best we got!
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Quote: : C Carlton Fisk
1B Frank Thomas
2B Nellie Fox
SS Luke Appling
3B Robin Ventura
OF Shoeless Joe Jackson
OF Magglio Ordonez
OF Minnie Minoso
P Billy Pierce
P Ed Walsh
P Ted Lyons
P Doc White
P Jack McDowell
RP Hoyt Wilhelm
RP Bobby Thigpen
DH Harold Baines
Not too different than what "4B" put.
Except he had Collins at 2B, Belle at DH, and Wood Cicotte & Faber at SP.
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Quote: : Head
Not too different than what "4B" put.
Except he had Collins at 2B, Belle at DH, and Wood Cicotte & Faber at SP.
Tough call between Collins and Fox at 2B.
Both had great Sox careers but I went with Nellie because he was the spark plug of our 1950s teams.
Belle was mostly our LF and only played on the south side for two years while Baines was our DH for years.
As far as the pitchers, Walsh and Lyons are the only two that really stand out.
A good case can be made for the rest of the choices.
I love these kinds of threads!
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The person who made this thread did a great job, but I guess he cant see this anymore
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I run into 4B every now and then on RSN.net - I'll let him know you liked his work.
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