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Options if 2nd amendment rights are eliminated - Georgia Outdoor News Forum

What would you do if your right to Keep and Bear Arms was eliminated or severely curtailed by the present administration? Mike

Remember those who come looking will have a paper trail. Your word will mean spit! You tell them they were sold,then provide names. You tell them they were stolen,then provide a police report. You tell them they are at another location,then you'll show them where. You will be guilty until proved innocent or you will be disappeared. The US Government has in the past disarmed groups of people and relocated them to camps or reservations. From the Trail of Tears to Wounded Knee. My legs hurt to bad to kneel,so I'll stay on my feet. Mike

This post is madness.

No one is repealing the 2nd Amendment.

Do you have any idea what it would take to do so?

Quote: : This post is madness.

No one is repealing the 2nd Amendment.

Do you have any idea what it would take to do so?

It in effect has already been done, and done without opposition.

Once the government decided to regulate arms, and created the ATF, your right to keep and bear arms became a privilege. Currently, you can not buy a new weapon without permission from the government.

Privilege. You can purchase arms through a private sell, but that may end soon.

Privilege. If the American people don't pull their heads out of their tails, we may be faced with answering these questions for real. As to Mike's question I can't tell you.

Quote: : This post is madness.

No one is repealing the 2nd Amendment.

Do you have any idea what it would take to do so? crazier things have happened throughout history.

Sandhill they have no need to repeal the second.

All they have to do is pass the Blair Holt bill that is in congress as we speak. "Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - Amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to prohibit a person from possessing a firearm unless that person has been issued a firearm license under this Act or a state system certified under this Act and such license has not been invalidated or revoked." Any clue how hard it will become to get said lisence?

I don't know what you are talking about officer.

You arent required to keep a paper trail for guns you sold if i owned guns they would all fall out of my boat

Quote: : you arent required to keep a paper trail for guns you sold if i owned guns they would all fall out of my boat Point being is you would be detained for any firearm you could not account for because if the powers that be want those guns,your excuses would be mute. Those excuse's was used by Jewish shop-owners too. They were arrested for not co-operating enough and sent to re-education camps. (Auschwitz-Birkenau · Bełzec · Chełmno · Majdanek · Sobibor · Treblinka · Bogdanovka · Jasenovac · Kaiserwald · Maly Trostenets · Mauthausen · Sajmiste · Sachsenhausen · Uckermark ·Dachau) Mike

My father has said all my life that he was worried I might see a revolution or another civil war in my lifetime.

I'm beginning to believe he may unfortunately be right.

There may come a day when we have to stand up for our rights.

I for one believe that the moral values of yesteryears are slipping away.

I am not saying by any means that we need to overthrow the government or anything but our government needs to be reminded they work for us and are sworn to uphold the United States Constitution. Mike, I just read your signature line and would like to thank you for your service.

When they come, I'll be ready,so I will die with my weapons in my hand....To no man shall I kneel. My place in Vahalla has been earned, my brothers who have gone before me await my arrival.

Hang together, or hang seperately?

Keeping mine. We need to link this thread to The H of R and Congress and ole'balmer. Need a few more votes though.

I'll be in the front yard with a belt-fed waiting for the welcome wagon.

73% of 30 votes say the'll fight it out huh???

Respectfully,,,, I doubt it.

It would likely be 73% would hide their guns and "try" to hold out,,,, hoping for the best. New Orleans being my reference point. This scenario is a perfect reason to buy as many guns as you can, without paperwork.

Guns what guns? I lost all mine in a tragic boating accident.

Quote: : 73% of 30 votes say the'll fight it out huh???

Respectfully,,,, I doubt it.

It would likely be 73% would hide their guns and "try" to hold out,,,, hoping for the best. New Orleans being my reference point. This scenario is a perfect reason to buy as many guns as you can, without paperwork.

Sir, Failure of some to recognize the convictions of many will result in a wave of unnecessary fatalities. There is a galvanized core of people who because of the way things have happened politically,socially and economically have come to the point where they can bend no more. Mike

Mike, I surely hope we never have to find out. However you do make one point that makes me ponder.

Our political circumstances have indeed changed since Katrina.

It may very well be a differant ball game???? Jay

Jay, I gave everything I had for my country. With every step I make I am reminded what I have given. I have placed my hand over a sucking chest wound,pulled a dead squad member under cover,had my son and first wife taken from me by a drunk driver while I was in Grenada. Ruby Ridge?? Waco?? Katrina??? Economic failures?? Nation of Cowards?? HR 45??? December 30th 1890 the 7th Cav was tasked with moving the last of the Lakota onto relocation camps before they were sent to the reservations. First thing done is removal of all possible weapons. There was a shot. Out of 750 Lakota before the shot,200 lie dead,69 wounded and 150 missing. The children were removed from the parents and sent to boarding schools to be re-educated in the white-christian manner. Like I've said before,agents of the Government coming to disarm means something quite different to the people up here. Mike

Quote: : 73% of 30 votes say the'll fight it out huh???

Respectfully,,,, I doubt it.

It would likely be 73% would hide their guns and "try" to hold out,,,, hoping for the best. New Orleans being my reference point. This scenario is a perfect reason to buy as many guns as you can, without paperwork.

I'm afraid you are unfortunately correct. While I would love to puff out my chest and claim to go out guns a blazing, but I just don't know!

. I really think it would depend on how my fellow Americans responded.

An individual holding his ground would last about as long as this sentence. I've considered this question before and came to some conclusions or at least some thoughts.

I believe in the stated scenario we would need most Americans and an overwhelming % of gun owners willing to make a stand against the federal government.

That said,I also believe that one of Americas greatest strengths is also one of it's greatest weaknesses....that being our diversity.

Our government gets away with what it does because getting a high percentage of Americans to agree on a social issue enough to be vocal is next to impossible.

We fight amongst ourselves over religion, race, wealth disparity, global warming, and countless other social issues.So, I think getting people to be part of a nationwide stand when they see their friends and neighbors families destroyed by a felony arrest or worse would be almost impossible. I would say I think there are a couple of scenarios that we may hope for.

One would be to try and stall long enough to clean house at the next election, even the mid-terms would help.

And two, hope that the military takes a dim view of gun confiscation and chooses to step in on our side and defend the Constitution rather than support the politicians .

Quote: : This post is madness.

No one is repealing the 2nd Amendment.

Do you have any idea what it would take to do so?

No they don't need to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

I think the loss of the right to bear arms is a gradual process.

Each generation has a little less fervor in expressing the right and the very need of it.

How many people today look disgustingly toward hunting or guns in general vs.

100 years ago? We live in a generation that gets their food from a supermarket, and they don't want to think about getting their hands dirty in the process to receive that meal.

Furthermore, they don't want to think about how their very lifestyle has been bought and defended by the very same guns they now despise.

If we don't teach the next generation about reality, then they won't have to come for your guns;

Your children will gladly dispose of them, and it will all be done with .

Each step of this gradual process will be done 'reasonably' with good 'common sense' gun restrictions on the 'bad' guns only.

I hope for your sake that your favorite gun isn't the next 'bad' one.

Happy for now.

There is a web site devoted to protecting the 2nd Amendment that plans a mass emailing to Congress on July 4 this year. http://rtkba.com Check it out and pass it along, please.

The current Congress is not gun friendly and neither is the President.

Move to the newly formed nation of Montana is not in the list.

There's more of us than there is of them.

Like Mr. Beck says, we surround them! gw

Quote: : move to the newly formed nation of Montana is not in the list.

Pnome, Thank you! Another "Greasy Grass Creek" (or as white folks call it "Custers Last Stand" "Little BigHorn") would make the country take notice. Left wing media would spin on how "home-grown terrorists" were the worst thing to walk the earth. They would be classified somewhere between Hitler and Satan. Mike

Stand alone or stand together, there is no chance for a citizen revolution to succeed in today's Amerika.

They have already taken your priveledges to own automatic weapons, cannon, hand grenades, rocket launchers or any other weapon that might have a chance of taking out their weapon systems.

Tanks, artillery, and aircraft give the military ie government way more power than a citizen militia could ever have.

The most we can hope for by standing and fighting is to be taken out cleanly and not have to watch as our few remaining rights are taken.

Remember though your children and grandchildren will be left behind with no means of forming a citizen revolution.

Maybe we can beat the left wingers in the voting place, but probably not I THINK we might be outnumbered already.

AIRGUNS they got some .177 all the way up to .50

Here is the story that supports my previous post. Much of this stuff is posted at the River Camp, and all are welcome to visit. Homeland Security seeks next-generation REAL ID http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=90008 February 28, 2009 12:25 am Eastern By Bob Unruh © 2009 WorldNetDaily Privacy advocates are issuing warnings about a new radio chip plan that ultimately could provide electronic identification for every adult in the U.S.

And allow agents to compile attendance lists at anti-government rallies simply by walking through the assembly. The proposal, which has earned the support of Janet Napolitano, the newly chosen chief of the Department of Homeland Security, would embed radio chips in driver's licenses, or "enhanced driver's licenses." "Enhanced driver's licenses give confidence that the person holding the card is the person who is supposed to be holding the card, and it's less elaborate than REAL ID," Napolitano said in a Washington Times report. REAL ID is a plan for a federal identification system standardized across the nation that so alarmed governors many states have adopted formal plans to oppose it.

However, a privacy advocate today told WND that the EDLs are many times worse. Radio talk show host and identity chip expert Katherine Albrecht said REAL ID earned the opposition of Christians because of its resemblance to the biblical "mark of the beast," civil libertarians opposed it for its "big brother" connotations and others worried about identity theft issues with the proposed databases. "We got rid of the REAL ID program, but [this one] is way more insidious," she said. Enhanced driver's licenses have built-in radio chips providing an identifying number or information that can be accessed by a remote reading unit while the license is inside a wallet or purse. The technology already had been implemented in Washington state, where it is promoted as an alternative to a passport for traveling to Canada.

So far, the program is optional. But there are other agreements already approved with Michigan, Vermont, New York and Arizona, and plans are under way in other states, including Texas, she said. Napolitano, as Arizona's governor, was against the REAL ID, Albrecht said.

Now, as chief of Homeland Security, she is suggesting the more aggressive electronic ID of Americans. "She's coming out and saying, 'OK, OK, OK, you win.

We won't do REAL ID.

But what we probably ought to do is nationwide enhanced driver's licenses,'" Albrecht told WND. "They're actually talking about issuing every person a spychip driver's license," she said.

"That is the potential problem." Imagine, she said, going to a First Amendment-protected event, a church or a mosque, or even a gun show or a peace rally. Katherine Albrecht "What happens to all those people when a government operator carrying a reading device makes a circuit of the event?" she asked.

"They could download all those unique ID numbers and link them." Participants could find themselves on "watch" lists or their attendance at protests or rallies added to their government "dossier." She said even if such license programs are run by states, there's virtually no way that the databases would not be linked and accessible to the federal government. Albrecht said a hint of what is on the agenda was provided recently by California Gov.

Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The state's legislature approved a plan banning the government from using any radio chips in any ID documentation. Schwarzenegger's veto noted he did not want to interfere with any coming or future federal programs for identifying people. Albrecht's recent guest on her radio program was Michigan State Rep.

Paul Opsommer, who said the government appears to be using a national anti-terrorism plan requiring people to document their identities as they enter the United States to promote the technology. "The Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative was … just about proving you were a citizen, not that you had to do it by any specific kind of technology," Opsommer said. But he said, "We are close to the point now that if you don't want RFID in any of your documents that you can't leave the country or get back into it." Opsommer said his own state sought an exception to the growing federal move toward driver's licenses with an electronic ID chip, and he was told that was "unlikely." He was told, "They were trying to harmonize these standards with Canada and Mexico [so] it had to apply to everybody.

I was absolutely dumbfounded." WND previously has reported on such chips when hospitals used them to identify newborns, a company desired to embed immigrants with the electronic devices, a government health event showcased them and when Wal-Mart used microchips to track customers. Albrecht, who has worked on issues involving radio chip implants, REAL-ID, "Spychips" and other devices, provided a platform for Opsommer to talk about drivers licenses that include radio transmitters that provide identity information about the carrier.

She is active with the AntiChips.com and SpyChips.com websites. Opsommer said he's been trying for several years to gain permission for his state to develop its own secure license without a radio chip. "They have flat out refused, and their reasoning is all about the need for what they call 'facilitative technology,' which they then determined was RFID," he said during the recent interview. According to the U.S.

State Department, which regulates international travel requirements, U.S.

Citizens now "must show proof of identity and proof of U.S.

Citizenship when entering the United States from Canada, Mexico, Bermuda and the countries of the Caribbean by land or seas." Documentation could be a U.S.

Passport or other paperwork such as birth certificates or drivers' licenses.

But as of this summer, one of the options for returning residents will be an "Enhanced Driver's License." The rules are being promulgated under the outline of the WHTI, a result of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, which requires travelers to present a passport or other identity documents on entry into the U.S. While the government has expressed confidence that no personal or critical information will be revealed through the system, it also says drivers will need special information on how to use, carry and protect the radio-embedded licenses as well as "a shielded container that will prevent anyone from reading your license." But Albrecht, the author or co-author of six books and videos, including the award-winning "Spychips: How major corporations and government plan to track your every move with RFID," warns it goes much further. "This must be nipped in the bud.

Enhanced DL's make REAL ID look like a walk in the park," Albrecht said. "Look, I am all in favor of only giving drivers licenses to U.S.

Citizens or people that are otherwise here in this country legally," Opsommer said, "But we are already doing that in Michigan.

We accomplished that without an EDL, as has virtually every other state via their own state laws. "But just because we choose to only issue our license to U.S.

Citizens does not mean that our licenses should somehow then fall under federal control.

It's still a state document, we are just controlling who we issue them to.

But under the EDL program, the Department of Homeland Security is saying that making sure illegals don't get these is not enough.

Now you need the chip to prove your citizenship," he continued. Opsommer further warned the electronic chips embedded in licenses to confirm identity are just the first step. "Canadians are also more connected to what is going on in Britain with the expansion of the national ID program there, and have seen the mission creep that occurs with things like gun control first hand … Whatever the reason, as an example, just last week the Canadian government repatriated a database from the U.S.

That contained the driver's license data of their citizens," he said. "Someone finally woke up and realized it would not be a good idea for that to be on American soil … I think it is only logical that we as state legislators really understand how the governments of Mexico and Canada will have access to our own citizen's data.

Right now it is very ambiguous and even difficult for me to get answers on as a state representative." But Opsommer said Big Brother concerns certainly have some foundation. "So if EDLs are the new direction for secure licenses in all states, it just reinforces what many have been telling me that DHS wants to expand this program and turn it into a wireless national ID with a different name," he said.

"We'll wake up one day and without a vote in Congress DHS will just pass a rule and say something like 'starting next month you will need an EDL to fly on a plane, or to buy a gun, or whatever.'"




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