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Dental Care for Poor - JREF Forum
...there's no such thing, and there isn't likely to be anytime soon, given its price.
I live in Texas, receive SSI Disability, and get my medical services through the Texas Medicaid Program.
I am qualified to receive "medical services", "prescriptions", "hearing aid", and sometimes an "eye exam", and "eye glasses".
The other box is for "dental case", which I no longer qualify for (over 21 year old)...UNLESS the dental problem is "life threatening"...
*Did you know that the leading cause of death and disease is poor nutrition, because people can't properly chew their food after they get old and loose their teeth!
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STIMULATE THE ECONOMY, CREATE GOVERNMENT DENTAL CARE TOO!!!
If people can chew longer, they'll be more likely to keep eating out.
Think long term, People...
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Originally Posted by King of the Americas ...there's no such thing, and there isn't likely to be anytime soon, given its price.
I live in Texas, receive SSI Disability, and get my medical services through the Texas Medicaid Program.
I am qualified to receive "medical services", "prescriptions", "hearing aid", and sometimes an "eye exam", and "eye glasses".
The other box is for "dental case", which I no longer qualify for (over 21 year old)...UNLESS the dental problem is "life threatening"...
*Did you know that the leading cause of death and disease is poor nutrition, because people can't properly chew their food after they get old and lose their teeth!
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STIMULATE THE ECONOMY, CREATE GOVERNMENT DENTAL CARE TOO!!!
If people can chew longer, they'll be more likely to keep eating out.
Think long term, People...
Oh thats gona be an interesting topic
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Btw in Switzerland we also have no mandatory dental care system.
But we do have cheap Dental clinics that are subsidized by taxes.
Volkszahnklinik (Peoples dental clinic) for example, where young Dentist beginers can train on people that cant afford a real (Experianced) dentist
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Its something we're also lacking in Canada and there probably would be some savings we could experience by implementing it: sure it would cost more money but when a poor person goes to the emergency room for a tooth infection that costs us already.
I also want to see physiotherapy back in the OHIP plan for ontario.
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You could always go to Cuba .
Well, it isnt free for foreigners but very cheap , apparently.
I think that Cuban nationals have to pay for their own gold teeth or fillings, and many Cubans have more gold teeth than your average hiphop artist.
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Originally Posted by dann You could always go to Cuba .
Well, it isn’t free for foreigners but very cheap , apparently.
I think that Cuban nationals have to pay for their own gold teeth or fillings, and many Cubans have more gold teeth than your average hiphop artist.
Cuba
i do belive we can have socialized dental care without giving up our freedom.
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Actually, we don't have free dental care in Norway, either.
All other medical care is free, but not dental.
And it's quite expensive, believe me.
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Originally Posted by King of the Americas *Did you know that the leading cause of death and disease is poor nutrition, because people can't properly chew their food after they get old and loose their teeth!
Seriously? I've never heard that.
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Originally Posted by Ryokan Actually, we don't have free dental care in Norway, either.
All other medical care is free, but not dental.
And it's quite expensive, believe me.
Denmark too.
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US Department of Health and Human Services
http://findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/
Quote: : Federally-funded health centers care for you, even if you have no health insurance.
You pay what you can afford, based on your income.
Health centers provide checkups when you're well treatment when you're sick complete care when you're pregnant immunizations and checkups for your children dental care and prescription drugs for your family mental health and substance abuse care if you need it Health centers are in most cities and many rural areas.
Type in your address and click the 'Find Health Centers' button to find health centers near you.
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There was a man here in Atlanta Ga who had a dental condition so bad that the problem was beyond the abilities of dental college students.
He got addicted to painkillers and he eventually committed suicide.
I read this on Atlantas craigslist a few years ago.
He obviously had no dental insurance and no job whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 There was a man here in Atlanta Ga who had a dental condition so bad that the problem was beyond the abilities of dental college students.
He got addicted to painkillers and he eventually committed suicide.
I read this on Atlantas craigslist a few years ago.
He obviously had no dental insurance and no job whatsoever.
Well, there's a reliable source!
Any other source for this?
Not that I automatically don't believe the story.
I just am wondering.
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Originally Posted by LibraryLady Well, there's a reliable source!
Any other source for this?
Not that I automatically don't believe the story.
I just am wondering.
I've seen several similar patients in my career in Philadelphia, Boston and here in San Jose.
Dental carries is one of the more common complaints that drug seekers come in to the ER for and many purposefully refuse to take care of their teeth so they get to come in and get drugs.
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Originally Posted by paximperium I've seen several similar patients in my career in Philadelphia, Boston and here in San Jose.
Dental carries is one of the more common complaints that drug seekers come in to the ER for and many purposefully refuse to take care of their teeth so they get to come in and get drugs.
Thank you. I'd heard about that on the news.
I consider you a more reliable source than Craig's List.
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Originally Posted by paximperium US Department of Health and Human Services
http://findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/ Thank you for the link.
The nearest clinic, in which to get a referral from, in order to get an appointment AT one of these facilities is an hour and a half from me.
The place to get the work done is another hour.
My local dentist said he'd wave the $80 office visit fee, so my initial consultation will include several x-rays, that'll cost less than $100.
The actual extraction will be between $125-300 per tooth, depending on its 'impaction'.
If only I had a skate blade and a heavy stone...
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Originally Posted by paximperium I've seen several similar patients in my career in Philadelphia, Boston and here in San Jose.
Dental carries is one of the more common complaints that drug seekers come in to the ER for and many purposefully refuse to take care of their teeth so they get to come in and get drugs.
I knew there was a thin line between a sugar fiend and a heroin addict.
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Gosh, and we thought we were hard done by in the UK where there is just a shortage of dentists doing NHS work.
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Central America.
El Salvador to be exact.
She pulled 4 bad teeth out, did one rooth canal, filled all of my cavities and placed a frontal bridge all for only $1200.
She is cute too!
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"Denticare" is being examined in Australia.
We already have a universal health scheme and a dental hospital for the poor, but the waiting lists are horrendous.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...- 8860261
Quote: : A NEW Medicare-style tax would fund a universal dental health scheme as part of a radical plan to fix the ailing health service.
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Man, I would hate to have to pay $100 more every year in taxes just so I wouldn't have to pay $80 every month in order to get the fine dental care that I get now (BCBS).
After all, I only pay the aforementioned $80/month (sure, they're USD, but they might be worth something someday), plus $20 co-pay, plus full cost for any other procedures (x-rays, fillings), plus get to wait three months for a filling my dentist described as "needed right away".
Yeah, governmental dental care would suck.
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I walked into a dental office right across from where I live and handed the receptionist my social assistance health card which does provide me with basic dental services.
The receptionist took one look at the card and snorted "we don't take your kind here".
Anyhoooo, I found a different dentist.
However if I were not on social assistance I could go to the university dental school and get help for a flat rate of $25.
, or at least that's what is was the last time I went there.
They are very good there too.
I am taking my teenager there for her braces and the charge for everything including top and bottom plus the eventual retainer, etc.
Was only $1300. that you can pay in monthly installments of $60.
, you can't beat that.
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I've paid a lot for dental care in my life both in Canada and the states.
Currently I have dental "insurance".
It's pretty restricted but does cover basic care.
It will cover 2 visits per year for cleaning and X-rays etc.
Once a year. It pays 80% of the cost of things like fillings and pays 50% for crowns.
It covers some other things like implants at a 50% rate.
Now the kicker is that it's limited to around $2500 a year in coverage.
This is the absolutely best coverage we could buy for the company btw.
Nobody would sell us anything better at any price.
Bottom line is that I end up paying a lot out of pocket for dental care every year...
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Well, my first visit was $210.
4 x-rays...$25 each
2 antibiotic injections $20 each
Office visit $70
The actual extraction will be $150 for the two uppers, and up to $300 each for the lower, impacted ones...IF it is done in his office under a local.
If I go to an oral surgeon, the bill will be $2000 for all 4 teeth.
And me without my ice skate blade and hammer stone...
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Dental health is a precursor to overall health.
Research shows that gum disease, for instance, can lead to coronary disease.
So, proper dental care really is imperative.
Floss!
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Originally Posted by Marc39 Floss!
Inter-dental brush!
Had a deep filling this morning.
Not quite root-canal, but not far off!
Anesthetic wore off at about noon;
Follow-up pain just about gone (22:50 local time).
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Originally Posted by King of the Americas Well, my first visit was $210.
4 x-rays...$25 each
2 antibiotic injections $20 each
Office visit $70
The actual extraction will be $150 for the two uppers, and up to $300 each for the lower, impacted ones...IF it is done in his office under a local.
If I go to an oral surgeon, the bill will be $2000 for all 4 teeth.
And me without my ice skate blade and hammer stone...
My last couple of visits -
Hygienist - £42*
Examination (including x-rays) - about £17
Filling - £29
I was lucky, I managed to get on the practise's NHS list.
* Not sure what the current exchange rate is;
Sorry...
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Originally Posted by Aitch Inter-dental brush!
Had a deep filling this morning.
Not quite root-canal, but not far off!
Anesthetic wore off at about noon;
Follow-up pain just about gone (22:50 local time).
Root canals are toxic.
Go holistic dentistry.
Never use mercury amalgam.
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I'm poor and self-employed and uninsured.
I recently found a non-profit clinic that has dental services.
I got in for an emergency visit (ok--5 hours of waiting room time) which included a couple of x-rays and a filling repair for $85.
Since then I've gone back for a regular appointment, and it's $50 for whatever they do (in my case, panorama x-ray plus a couple of a crown that might have to be replaced, plus tooth by tooth exam and cleaning).
I'm very happy with that.
I had to give my last year's tax return to qualify, so I suspect people who make much more than me can't take advantage of this place.
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Originally Posted by King of the Americas ...there's no such thing, and there isn't likely to be anytime soon, given its price.
I live in Texas, receive SSI Disability, and get my medical services through the Texas Medicaid Program.
I am qualified to receive "medical services", "prescriptions", "hearing aid", and sometimes an "eye exam", and "eye glasses".
The other box is for "dental case", which I no longer qualify for (over 21 year old)...UNLESS the dental problem is "life threatening"...
*Did you know that the leading cause of death and disease is poor nutrition, because people can't properly chew their food after they get old and loose their teeth!
---
STIMULATE THE ECONOMY, CREATE GOVERNMENT DENTAL CARE TOO!!!
If people can chew longer, they'll be more likely to keep eating out.
Think long term, People...
Maybe you should move to MA.
My loser, alcoholic brother in law just got through getting 3
inplants (where they place the screw in your jaw to put the fake teeth in) on MY dime through mass health.
What REALLY pisses he F8 out of me is just shortly before this my 9 year old crashed on his bike because some ***
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Originally Posted by Marc39 Root canals are toxic.
Go holistic dentistry.
Never use mercury amalgam.
I'm skeptical of your statements.
Especially since homeopathy is involved in "holistic dentistry."
http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery...isticdent.html
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Originally Posted by slingblade I'm skeptical of your statements.
Especially since homeopathy is involved in "holistic dentistry."
http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery...isticdent.html Root canals are, in effect, dead tissue that have no place in the mouth, which is why those with root canals often are plagued with continued dental issues specific to the root canal.
Extraction is the way to go.
As for holistic medicine and dentistry, confusion abounds.
Several of the most prominent hospitals across the country and throughout the world have instituted holistic care, and, several highly respected medical doctors, such as Mehmet Oz and Andrew Weil enjoy widespread, mainstream acceptance.
The preferred situation is a board-certified MD who practices holistically.
Our family physician is such a doctor and has proven himself time and again to be superior, in a meaningful way, to conventional medical practitioners.
Which is why he has patients from around the country.
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Originally Posted by Marc39 Root canals are, in effect, dead tissue that have no place in the mouth, which is why those with root canals often are plagued with continued dental issues specific to the root canal.
Extraction is the way to go.
Well, it's only an anecdote, but the last dental work I had (bar the hygienist) was three years ago.
It was root canal.
No problems with it at all so far.
Originally Posted by Marc39 As for holistic medicine and dentistry, confusion abounds.
Several of the most prominent hospitals across the country and throughout the world have instituted holistic care, and, several highly respected medical doctors, such as Mehmet Oz and Andrew Weil enjoy widespread, mainstream acceptance.
Looked up Oz and Weil (isn't Google useful in these situations?
). Both have quite long entries in Wikipedi.
Both into alternative medicine.
I'll stick to dental work that may hurt for a short time, but has been shown to work.
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Originally Posted by Aitch Well, it's only an anecdote, but the last dental work I had (bar the hygienist) was three years ago.
It was root canal.
No problems with it at all so far.
Good for you. For others, not so good.
Quote: : Looked up Oz and Weil (isn't Google useful in these situations?
). Both have quite long entries in Wikipedi.
Both into alternative medicine.
I'll stick to dental work that may hurt for a short time, but has been shown to work.
You do that. Much good health to you.
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I know what a root canal is, Marc.
I've had two. They weren't the reason I've lost all but 6 of my teeth: poverty was.
And when I want homeopathy, I just drink a big glass of water.
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Czech republic,dentak care: Mostly free!
Paid from general health insurance and with exceptions(usualy expensive ones) it is free.
However dentist has to have contract with your insurancy "company" (they are only partially,there are some restricions on them)
The only difference nowadays is that we have flat fees (one for first preventive visit and there may be others) High probability of elimination.
Fee is 30CKZ ~ 1.5 USD.
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Originally Posted by slingblade I know what a root canal is, Marc.
I've had two. They weren't the reason I've lost all but 6 of my teeth: poverty was.
And when I want homeopathy, I just drink a big glass of water.
I have Marc on ignore, so I didn't see his original post but I don't know of any dentist that uses mercury amalgam any more.
Complaining about that is like complaining about radium treatment.
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Originally Posted by Ysidro I have Marc on ignore...
Your loss.
Quote: : ...so I didn't see his original post but I don't know of any dentist that uses mercury amalgam any more.
What of the tens of millions--perhaps, hundreds of millions--already with toxic mercury amalgam in their mouths?
Quote: : Complaining about that is like complaining about radium treatment.
Nonsensical. Keep me on ignore.
I'm way over your head, anyway.
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Originally Posted by slingblade I know what a root canal is, Marc.
I've had two. They weren't the reason I've lost all but 6 of my teeth: poverty was.
And when I want homeopathy, I just drink a big glass of water.
Sound oral health practices need not entail great cost.
Even the indigent have access to a toothbrush, toothpaste and dental floss.
Most tooth loss is a consequence of gum disease, a result of plaque accumulation, making flossing imperative.
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Originally Posted by Ysidro I have Marc on ignore, so I didn't see his original post but I don't know of any dentist that uses mercury amalgam any more.
Actually, thousands in the UK do.
Dunno about the rest of the world.
Originally Posted by Marc39 What of the tens of millions--perhaps, hundreds of millions--already with toxic mercury amalgam in their mouths?
Have a read of this - it won't change your mind, but what the heck.
BTW, You strike me as a follower of Hal Huggins - anti amalgam and anti root canal.
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Originally Posted by Aitch Actually, thousands in the UK do.
Dunno about the rest of the world.
Have a read of this - it won't change your mind, but what the heck.
BTW, You strike me as a follower of Hal Huggins - anti amalgam and anti root canal.
I'm quite familiar with Dr.
Barrett, whom I have had correspondence with.
On some issues, he's correct, still, on others, he's incorrect.
Mercury toxicity is one such issue on which he is wrong.
Mercury is highly hazardous material that requires specific precautions in its handling and disposal, requiring the use of lead-lined containers.
US gov't alerts caution against eating fish known to have high mercury content, such as tuna.
Mercury has no place in the human mouth, particularly given its close proximity to the brain.
Unfortunately, the ADA will not take an official position against the use of mercury amalgam for fear of massive litigation that would inevitably result.
And, yes, I am a believer in Huggins
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