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Homeopathic Medicines are Effective - JREF Forum
Hi skeptics,
Topic related with this url http://homeoresearch.blogspot.com
This is Dr.Devendra Kumar Munta MD(Homeo), I am well known to this forum as Dr.Kumar,
I was worked as Research Fellow under CCRH,India but now I left that post and working fulltime for Homeopathy to show objective evidence for the action of homeopathy.
Long back I had posts on Homeopathy as" Homeopathy is not placebo".
There was great discussison on the subject, people criticized homeopathy like anything.
I also got doubt wether Homeopathy is working?
I wanted to leave the proffesion, if homeopathy is not effective.
But I can't, because Homeopathy is working and most effective.
After this objective evidence I can't be quite without believing homeopathy,
This time I came with some more observations that homeopathy is effective and there is objective evidence for homeopathic medicinal action and is working on natural priciples unlike allopathy
come and share my observations on homeopathy,
http://homeoresearch.co.cc or http://homeoresearch.blogspot.com
Thanks,
Dr.Devendra Kumar Munta,
MD(Homeo)
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Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Quote: : Confirmation bias (or myside bias[1]) is an irrational tendency to search for, interpret or remember information in a way that confirms preconceptions or working hypotheses.
It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning.
These biases in information processing are different from the behavioral confirmation effect (also called self-fulfilling prophecy), in which people's expectations influence their own behavior.[2] ETA: A person has a medical complaint and takes a homeopahic medication and then gets better.
If you already believe that homeopathy works, you will take this as confirmatory evidence, even though there is not a plausible causal relationship other than the placebo effect.
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Originally Posted by muntadev2in This time I came with some more observations that homeopathy is effective and there is objective evidence for homeopathic medicinal action and is working on natural priciples unlike allopathy More than a century of physics and chemistry research contradicts your position.
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Originally Posted by muntadev2in http://homeoresearch.co.cc or http://homeoresearch.blogspot.com Since when did blogs start to count as scientific evidence?
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Originally Posted by muntadev2in
But I can't, because Homeopathy is working and most effective.
After this objective evidence I can't be quite without believing homeopathy,
This time I came with some more observations that homeopathy is effective and there is objective evidence for homeopathic medicinal action and is working on natural priciples unlike allopathy
come and share my observations on homeopathy,
http://homeoresearch.co.cc or http://homeoresearch.blogspot.com
I went there.
I didn't see any evidence - just a bunch of anecdotes, "advice", and comments from believers.
Could you link to the specific article that includes the evidence?
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Originally Posted by muntadev2in I am well known to this forum as Dr.Kumar,
I'm confused.
There is a member here whose user name is "Kumar", whom I believe is pro-homeopathy.
Kumar stopped posting here about a year ago.
Are you and that Kumar different people...
Or the same?
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⇧ More appropriate title for thread.
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Just a few thoughts I'd like to share,
I do both counseling, and advocacy work for people with the autoimmune disease Lupus.
I find myself constantly battling against the false claims and promises given by the purveyors of homeopathic medicine.
I see desperate, scared people constantly being lured into these so called "treatments".
Often times, people stop taking their regular meds in favor of homeopathic "remedies" only to end up with irreversible damage from the lack of proper, and proven meds.
I see the homeopathic industry as morally corrupt people who prey on others when they are at their very worst, and desperate for anything that will help them.
I also see all sorts of claims that these frauds and their so-called remedies can actually cure Lupus.
Well, since there is no cure for Lupus, that is an obvious lie.
And I'll tell you, for a person who is suffering from an incurable, and sometimes fatal disease, these claims of "cures" are the worst sort of insult.
L.
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Originally Posted by madurobob I'm confused.
There is a member here whose user name is "Kumar", whom I believe is pro-homeopathy.
Kumar stopped posting here about a year ago.
Are you and that Kumar different people...
Or the same? I share madurobob's confusion.
Please explain.
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An interesting premise in the OP, homeopathy is actually effective.
I'm looking forward to seeing evidence of this.
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Originally Posted by madurobob I'm confused.
There is a member here whose user name is "Kumar", whom I believe is pro-homeopathy.
Kumar stopped posting here about a year ago.
Are you and that Kumar different people...
Or the same?
Not the same person.
This has caused confusion before.
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Homeopathic Medicines are Effective -- on thirst.
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Muntadev2in's previous threads, for reference:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=126542
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=80364
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=76075
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=75922
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Dr. Kumar, please explain what treatment are given for and the exact mechanism by which homeopathic medicines can cure Multiple Myeloma.
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Originally Posted by muntadev2in I was worked as Research Fellow under CCRH,India but now I left that post and working fulltime for Homeopathy to show objective evidence for the action of homeopathy.
Originally Posted by muntadev2in But I can't, because Homeopathy is working and most effective.
After this objective evidence I can't be quite without believing homeopathy, Originally Posted by muntadev2in This time I came with some more observations that homeopathy is effective and there is objective evidence for homeopathic medicinal action and is working on natural priciples unlike allopathy
It's good to see that you're looking for objective evidence on the effectiveness of homeopathy.
That's exactly the kind of evidence we're looking for.
So, how soon can we expect to see the results of a large-scale randomized, double-blind placebo-controlled trial demonstrating the effectiveness of homeopathic remedies?
Originally Posted by esquel Homeopathic Medicines are Effective -- on thirst.
Not in sugar-pill form they aren't.
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Please explain why it is neccesary to post an essentially identical thread, sometimes with completely identical titles, but certainly with very similar content, every few months for a year.
One definition (in the pop culture sense) of insanity is performing the same action over and over again, expecting different results each time.
How is this time going to be different?
A.
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Quote: : http://homeoresearch.blogspot.com/
Pushpalatha.v is suffering from Seasonal fever, cold, headache, thirst for small quantity, chill, body pain, drawing limbs.
Given one dose of RT 200C, Fever not relieved so after 2 hours given Bell 200c one dose, waited for 4 hours,still fever not relieved.
But variability in temperature is changed like this.
Yep, I'm convinced.
It obviously works - but we need to see the "bank balance" charts to properly understand how.
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Originally Posted by muntadev2in Hi skeptics,
Topic related with this url http://homeoresearch.blogspot.com
This is Dr.Devendra Kumar Munta MD(Homeo), I am well known to this forum as Dr.Kumar,
I was worked as Research Fellow under CCRH,India but now I left that post and working fulltime for Homeopathy to show objective evidence for the action of homeopathy.
Long back I had posts on Homeopathy as" Homeopathy is not placebo".
There was great discussison on the subject, people criticized homeopathy like anything.
I also got doubt wether Homeopathy is working?
I wanted to leave the proffesion, if homeopathy is not effective.
But I can't, because Homeopathy is working and most effective.
After this objective evidence I can't be quite without believing homeopathy,
This time I came with some more observations that homeopathy is effective and there is objective evidence for homeopathic medicinal action and is working on natural priciples unlike allopathy
Have you carried out the blinded test you said that you wanted to conduct last October?
Originally Posted by muntadev2in Before that I want to conduct a blind study.
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Homeopathic medicine do work wonders if you are dehydrated.
Nothing better than h2o for that.
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To be fair, I suspect such double blind tests HAVE been performed.
By the very evil that homeopathy generally rails against, Big Pharma.
I mean, think about it, if it worked you can sell what is basically water as a medicine.
The profit margins are unbelievable.
Yet they don't sell it as real medicine.
To me that suggests the results were kinda negative
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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser To be fair, I suspect such double blind tests HAVE been performed.
By the very evil that homeopathy generally rails against, Big Pharma.
Sure have, but not necessarily by Big Pharma.
In fact, usually by homoeopaths.
This does give rise to potential problems.
for example, a comment from Linde & Melchart: Randomized controlled trials of individualized homeopathy: a state-of-the-art review (J Altern Complement Med.
1998 Winter;4(4):371-88): Quote: : “The motivation for doing trials seems less to be innovation or self-critical evaluation of performance (which is generally considered to be the motivation for good research) but rather justification in the face of a hostile scientific establishment.”
The review in question, by the way, found a small effect in favour of homoeopathy if all trials were considered, but this vanished if only the best quality trials (i.e.
Those least likely to produce biased results) were considered.
This is a fairly standard result for homoeopathy - it can appear to work slightly as long as you don't look at it too carefully.
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I'm surprised there are't more double-blinded test results in favour of homeopathy published, or have I just missed them.
The evidence in the OP is just anecdote, of course.
Surely the OPer doesn't believe these reported incidents are a 'study'?
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Originally Posted by Mojo Not the same person.
This has caused confusion before.
Ah - thanks for that!
Originally Posted by Mojo Muntadev2in's previous threads, for reference:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=126542
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=80364
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=76075
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=75922 Thanks again.
So, umm, I guess one is just not enough?
This somehow runs counter to homeopathy doctrine in my mind.
Aren't all these threads really about the same thing?
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Originally Posted by Andrew Wiggin Please explain why it is neccesary to post an essentially identical thread, sometimes with completely identical titles, but certainly with very similar content, every few months for a year.
A.
It's called Marketing.
L.
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Has there been a double blind study published in 2009?
Have looked a few times this year and not found anything new other than a dog study, which was worthless.
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Originally Posted by skyhand Has there been a double blind study published in 2009?
Have looked a few times this year and not found anything new other than a dog study, which was worthless.
This one?
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=138044
A classic, announced by press release even before it started: Dogs itching to try homeopathic remedies , and then by another a few months before publication: Homeopathy in dogs pilot indicates need for larger clinical trial .
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Originally Posted by skyhand Has there been a double blind study published in 2009?
Have looked a few times this year and not found anything new other than a dog study, which was worthless.
The number of trials published per year seems to be reasonably steady, but the proportion of them that give positive results seems to be dropping.
For example, a study published in Homeopathy (Mathie RT: The research evidence base for homeopathy: a fresh assessment of the literature.
Homeopathy (2003) 92, 84–91) counted the trials between 1975 and the end of 2002 and found 50 positive, 41 inconclusive and 2 negative (there's some discussion of this paper here : note in particular its approach to trial quality).
A document giving its source as the British Homeopathic Association (Mathie is their Research Development Adviser) says they found 119 trials up to the end of 2005.
The percentages they give there work out to 58 positive, 57 inconclusive and 4 negative.
A document produced by the Faculty of Homeopathy (who are closely allied to the BHA) and published on the BHA's website, says "Up to the end of 2008, 138 RCTs had been published: 60 positive;
10 negative; 68 not statistically conclusive."
Assuming that all these figures have been arrived at on the same basis:
Up to 2002: an average of 3.3 trials per year, 53.8% positive.
2003-2005: 8.6 per year, 30.8% positive
2006-2008: 6.3 per year, 10.5% positive
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A little baby girl over here died recently a truly horrible agonizing death because her homeopathic "doctor" of a father treated her with nothing but homeopathy (yet when the mother had pains, they went to a real doctor, funny that) and both got richly deserved jail sentences (although not long enough).
Don't try to explain how it works (the traditional proposed mechanism is magic ), just prove an effect and we can all go from there.
My problem with this particular vile brand of woo is that it actively kills people - swine flu "vaccinations" are being pushed at the moment, and I know that some places will sell you malaria "vaccinations".
Homeopathy has a body count.
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Originally Posted by wackyvorlon More than a century of physics and chemistry research contradicts your position.
Don't be daft man;
Homeopathic effects transcends the scientific method.
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Originally Posted by AdinDraco My problem with this particular vile brand of woo is that it actively kills people
No it doesn't...
Homeopathy doesn't actively harm anyone.
Even in the example you gave, the baby's death was passive harm from homeopathy.
You should have written...
Quote: : My problem with this particular vile brand of woo is that it passively kills people Sorry, just being a pedant.
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Homeopathic Medicines are Effective
at extracting money from the gullible.
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Homeopathic Medicines are Effective
as any other placebo.
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Originally Posted by Brian-M Homeopathic Medicines are Effective
as any other placebo.
Not necessarily.
Generally speaking, the more dramatic the intervention, the greater the apparent effect.
So, for example, a placebo that involved sticking needles in the patient would be expected to have a greater apparent effect that a placebo that merely involved giving them sugar pills.
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Originally Posted by AdinDraco Don't try to explain how it works (the traditional proposed mechanism is magic ), just prove an effect and we can all go from there.
My problem with this particular vile brand of woo is that it actively kills people - swine flu "vaccinations" are being pushed at the moment, and I know that some places will sell you malaria "vaccinations".
Homeopathy has a body count.
It's terrible. I first heard about homeopathy via a friend of the family who had breast cancer.
She died a horrible death, without even the benefit of palliative care.
Her death ended up destroying the family, as her children blamed their father.
Their father who had been an alcoholic in the past turned back to drink.
Homeopathy ruined not only one life, but several.
Since that day I have known the true cost of the lies perpetrated by the homeopath.
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Is a fertilized egg a homeopathic human?
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Originally Posted by quarky Is a fertilized egg a homeopathic human?
Not if its a chickens egg.
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So where is them good ol evidence I hear ya talking about?
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Originally Posted by quarky Is a fertilized egg a homeopathic human?
Only if you remove the egg.
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ROFL, his website is in serious need of a spell checker...also an English speaker to check it.
Is the graph body temp?
If so, how does body temperature change 5 degrees in 10 seconds?
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