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Buchon with the Reg N48157 in the 70th years - Key Publishing Ltd Aviation Forums
Hello,
I try to find out a bit more of the history from the HA 1112 S/N 235 (current reg.
As N109GU or NX109GU).
I have found this accident:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=44945&key=0
Got someone a photo of this plane before this accident?
I dont know the colors, numbers, camouflage.
Is the plane flyable or is it grounded?
In the last years I was not able to find a picture outside of the hangar.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Hispa...hon/0575268/M/
One of the last known pictures of the flying plane, possible in 1997:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=4610
Thanks for help.
David
Update: I was able to find a text about the history.
http://www.caa.co.uk/aandocs/20330/2033 .pdf
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Quote: : Hello,
I try to find out a bit more of the history from the HA 1112 S/N 235 (current reg.
As N109GU or NX109GU).
I have found this accident:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=44945&key=0
Got someone a photo of this plane before this accident?
I dont know the colors, numbers, camouflage.
Is the plane flyable or is it grounded?
In the last years I was not able to find a picture outside of the hangar.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Hispa...hon/0575268/M/
One of the last known pictures of the flying plane, possible in 1997:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=4610
Thanks for help.
David
Update: I was able to find a text about the history.
http://www.caa.co.uk/aandocs/20330/2033 .pdf David,
As you can see from the AAN, that is the former Robs Lamplough/Charles Church machine G-BJZZ/G-HUNN.
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...llregmark=HUNN
This was used in the TV series 'A Piece of Cake', and the Memphis Belle movie, and was later sold to the Cavanaugh Flight Museum.
http://www.cavanaughflightmuseum.com/Messerschmitt.htm
Not sure if they still fly it, and I can't say I know anything else of it's history, other than I'm pretty sure it was in the BoB movie.
Below is a picture of the machine taken at DX in 1988.
(Copyright Mick Bradford)
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The only thing I have on the accident is that owner Bill Harrison rebuilt the aircraft following acquisition from the Victory Air Museum (where several other BoB veteran Buchons ended up) and registered it as N41857(?) and flew it for over 50hrs before ground-looping at the end of a landing run, ripping off the undercarriage in the process.
Robs Lamplough eventually acquired the Buchon in 1978, having it rebuilt to fly before another accident in the UK.
The rest is as above.
As far as flying goes, I don't think the Cavanaugh Museum fly it due to insurance reasons - although I'm happy to be proven wrong.
The Buchon also appeared in the HBO TV movie, The Tuskegee Airmen .
http://www.abpic.co.uk/images/images/1127892F.jpg
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Thank you!
I have made a curriculum vitae on my website with the known informations.
The text is in german language, but you can enjoy the photos.
http://www.bf-109.de/web.php?lang=en...be&flugzeug=75
I only need a photo from the N48157 before the first accident on the 09.
October 1977 for the documentation.
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I do love G-HUNN in her early-style Bf109E scheme that she wore for Piece of Cake .
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After reading this thread I remembered that I've recently seen a photo of the a/c in a hangar after its accident while owned by Bill Harrison.
So I just thumbed through some old Air Classics bought on evilbay.
From the photo it looks like Harrison's colors were kept by Robs Lamplough although I'm not sure if the number 14 on the fuselage was 11 while in Tulsa.
Kinda dark, grainy photo in Air Classics.
T J
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Quote: : J Johansen After reading this thread I remembered that I've recently seen a photo of the a/c in a hangar after its accident while owned by Bill Harrison.
So I just thumbed through some old Air Classics bought on evilbay.
From the photo it looks like Harrison's colors were kept by Robs Lamplough although I'm not sure if the number 14 on the fuselage was 11 while in Tulsa.
Kinda dark, grainy photo in Air Classics.
T J Hello,
I think you mean this photo?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sushidel/44082910/
Yea, this can be the Buchon G-BJZZ after the accident at Biggin Hill.
The photographer write the photo was taken at Duxford, and the hangar looks like Duxford?!
I have found two other photos of a Buchon at Texas in the 70th, possible the N48157?
Im a little bit "angry", no side view of the plane for good identification.
Only the swastika.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-mar...ool-744216@N20
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-mar...ool-744216@N20
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Isn't that a pic of one of the Battle of Britain Buchons?
The rest of the pics in that set are all Battle of Britain film pics.
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Quote: : 11 Fan Isn't that a pic of one of the Battle of Britain Buchons?
The rest of the pics in that set are all Battle of Britain film pics.
Hmm, I think you are right.
The hangar photos with the destruction confirm that.
:-(
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Quote: : I do love G-HUNN in her early-style Bf109E scheme that she wore for Piece of Cake .
Was this plane in film 'Battle Of Britain'' my grandad worked on this film and I was in the film too small part at the very end as a kid.
terry
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Quote: : Hmm, I think you are right.
The hangar photos with the destruction confirm that.
:-( Read Film Battle of Britain 1969 makin of mentions a buckhorn that ground looped.
terry
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Quote: : The only thing I have on the accident is that owner Bill Harrison rebuilt the aircraft following acquisition from the Victory Air Museum (where several other BoB veteran Buchons ended up) and registered it as N41857(?) and flew it for over 50hrs before ground-looping at the end of a landing run, ripping off the undercarriage in the process.
Robs Lamplough eventually acquired the Buchon in 1978, having it rebuilt to fly before another accident in the UK.
The rest is as above.
As far as flying goes, I don't think the Cavanaugh Museum fly it due to insurance reasons - although I'm happy to be proven wrong.
The Buchon also appeared in the HBO TV movie, The Tuskegee Airmen .
http://www.abpic.co.uk/images/images/1127892F.jpg cheers for picture
terry
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Del Haye's Flickr shot of the Buchon with the leaning legs is BoB film, vintage 1968.
Del worked for the film company.
Mark
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OK, a little bit off topic but still interesting...
I found this nice BoB film color photos on an also interesting type of website:
HA 1112 "red 4" (possible the C4K-105/G-AWHH ?)
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/5966209
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/4072405
Hangar destruction:
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/4071920
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/3646155
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About 30 years ago, I happened to wander into Duxford, I recall that it wasn't a properly established museum then, or the day that an airshow was taking place.
What I seemed to be aware of was that Robs Lamplough, and I must have been told that by a passer by, was about to attempt to take off in a Buchon, or to me, a Bf109.
I'd never seen or heard a 'real' German fighter in flight before and was quite a thing to anticipate seeing.
I recall that the take off and landing was very dodgy, particularly the landing.
I took quite a few pictures with my Zenit-E of what was to me, a momentous occasion, however, I can't find them and I've been looking for years for the prints, what a sad loss, but they must be somewhere.
I have, however, found this double exposure, which is actually quite interesting as it shows as well a silver Sally B, you'll have to work out whats what, but I thought that you might find it interesting, and in a way, a little ironic.
I reckon that film must have some great pictures on it of DX in the old days, I shall have another search.
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Hi Pete,
thanks for your nice story and the interesting photo.
I hope you can find the film and share it with us, I like this old airshow photos and also the old Buchons.
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Quote: : Truman About 30 years ago, I happened to wander into Duxford, I recall that it wasn't a properly established museum then, or the day that an airshow was taking place.
What I seemed to be aware of was that Robs Lamplough, and I must have been told that by a passer by, was about to attempt to take off in a Buchon, or to me, a Bf109.
I'd never seen or heard a 'real' German fighter in flight before and was quite a thing to anticipate seeing.
I recall that the take off and landing was very dodgy, particularly the landing.
I took quite a few pictures with my Zenit-E of what was to me, a momentous occasion, however, I can't find them and I've been looking for years for the prints, what a sad loss, but they must be somewhere.
I have, however, found this double exposure, which is actually quite interesting as it shows as well a silver Sally B, you'll have to work out whats what, but I thought that you might find it interesting, and in a way, a little ironic.
I reckon that film must have some great pictures on it of DX in the old days, I shall have another search.
I can fix that with the pixel elimination programme then reversal with photoshop.
Mark
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Hey Mark12 - A useful tip there!
Where do I find that pixel elimination application/button in Photoshop, can't seem to find it on my copy...
Pete - My long-gone Zenit EM also threw an occasional double exposure, but none as poignant as yours.
Just a shame the Buchon wasn't in European theatre colours...
As you say, as an accidental double exposure that one does somehow "work".
Paul F
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Talkin of Buckhorns any models makers brands.kits.
i never found any.
terry
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Quote: : was this plane in film 'Battle Of Britain'' my grandad worked on this film and I was in the film too small part at the very end as a kid.
terry Taxiing airframe only, used in Spain.
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Quote: : talkin of Buckhorns any models makers brands.kits.
i never found any.
terry There used to be a nice 1/48th kit from HobbyCraft, with options for a Spanish-marked aircraft and a Battle of Britain aircraft.
The kit was really nice - I built three of them, but don't have any left!
There was a nice little 1/72th kit available a few years ago - nice, but lacking some details.
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Quote: : There used to be a nice 1/48th kit from HobbyCraft, with options for a Spanish-marked aircraft and a Battle of Britain aircraft.
The kit was really nice - I built three of them, but don't have any left!
There was a nice little 1/72th kit available a few years ago - nice, but lacking some details.
Wilco' cheers i'll Look out for these kits.
terry
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