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Mailing lists forum: ubuntu-users => Logitech: We don't have any mouse that works with Ubuntu
Being the jerk that I am I decided to call Logitech to ask if their VX
Nano mouse works with Ubuntu Linux, as the webpage says only Windows
Vista:
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices /3271&cl=US,EN
The rep told me that the mouse might work, but there are no drivers.
I
ask him if "might work" means that I should buy the mouse or not, and
he said don't buy it.
I asked if Logitech has any mice that work with
Ubuntu Linux, and said "unfortunately not".
So, as nice as the Logitech VX Nano is, I'll be buying a Microsoft
Notebook Presenter 800 (The Microsoft rep was very helpful on the
phone).
--
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Dotan Cohen <
Dotancohen@gmail.com Quote: :
>
Being the jerk that I am I decided to call Logitech to ask if their VX
>
Nano mouse works with Ubuntu Linux, as the webpage says only Windows
>
Vista:
> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices /3271&cl=US,EN
I have never come across a mouse that would not work in linux.
Some
of the multi-button variety sometimes have strange button assignments
by default, but in the past 10 years I can't recall plugging in a
mouse that did not work.
Well, ones that were not physically broken,
that is :)
Chris
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That's seems odd...
I have a Logitech TrackMan Wheel.
It works great
with Ubuntu.
I've never had a problem.
Maybe what they're trying to say is that they don't have any support
for it or that they can't guarantee that it'll work with Ubuntu...
--
RubO.
Varela Rosa
http://www.rovr138.com
rovr138@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Dotan Cohen <
Dotancohen@gmail.com Quote: :
>
Being the jerk that I am I decided to call Logitech to ask if their VX
>
Nano mouse works with Ubuntu Linux, as the webpage says only Windows
>
Vista:
> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices /3271&cl=US,EN
>
>
The rep told me that the mouse might work, but there are no drivers.
I
> ask him if "might work" means that I should buy the mouse or not, and
>
He said don't buy it.
I asked if Logitech has any mice that work with
>
Ubuntu Linux, and said "unfortunately not".
>
>
So, as nice as the Logitech VX Nano is, I'll be buying a Microsoft
>
Notebook Presenter 800 (The Microsoft rep was very helpful on the
>
Phone).
>
>
--
> Dotan Cohen
>
>
Http://what-is-what.com
>
Http://gibberish.co.il
>
>
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>
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Chris Quote: :
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I have never come across a mouse that would not work in linux.
Some
> of the multi-button variety sometimes have strange button assignments
>
By default, but in the past 10 years I can't recall plugging in a
>
Mouse that did not work.
Well, ones that were not physically broken,
>
That is :)
>
>
Chris
>
I'm sure Dotan is as aware as anyone that mice generally just work.
The
point is to support companies who don't try to pretend we don't exist,
and the delicious irony that in the world of mice, that means, Microsoft.
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> I have never come across a mouse that would not work in linux.
Some
> of the multi-button variety sometimes have strange button assignments
>
By default, but in the past 10 years I can't recall plugging in a
>
Mouse that did not work.
Well, ones that were not physically broken,
>
That is :)
>
It doesn't matter if the mouse works or not.
It matters that the sales
rep told me not to buy it because it wouldn't work.
When logitech
wants to sell me a mouse, they'll check if it works on my OS or not.
Even Microsoft, who sells a competing OS, was able to check.
--
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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> Maybe what they're trying to say is that they don't have any support
>
For it or that they can't guarantee that it'll work with Ubuntu...
>
As soon as they spend the time to check that the mouse works with my
(the potential customer) OS and maybe even put a penguin on the box,
they'll sell me a mouse.
--
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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Dotan Quote: :
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Maybe what they're trying to say is that they don't have any support
>>
For it or that they can't guarantee that it'll work with Ubuntu...
>>
>>
>
>
As soon as they spend the time to check that the mouse works with my
>
(the potential customer) OS and maybe even put a penguin on the box,
>
They'll sell me a mouse.
>
>
I have an old Logitech "Marble Mouse" which is a trackball and was
not even supposed to work with windows 98 or older (USB plug) it worked
right out of the Box on Hardy.
Karl
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Dotan Cohen <
Dotancohen@gmail.com Quote: :
>>
I have never come across a mouse that would not work in linux.
Some
>> of the multi-button variety sometimes have strange button assignments
>>
By default, but in the past 10 years I can't recall plugging in a
>>
Mouse that did not work.
Well, ones that were not physically broken,
>>
That is :)
>>
>
>
It doesn't matter if the mouse works or not.
It matters that the sales
>
Rep told me not to buy it because it wouldn't work.
When logitech
>
Wants to sell me a mouse, they'll check if it works on my OS or not.
>
Even Microsoft, who sells a competing OS, was able to check.
And if after putting a penguin on the box, the mouse then costs $75 or
$80?
No thanks. And in the case of a mouse, we're not talking about
a huge leap of faith here.
I guess what I'm saying is that while I appreciate the efforts of
those who poke hardware vendors to support linux, in the case of
meese/keyboards it might be counter-productive.
And the MS rep might tell you to buy it even if you were running a C64 ;)
Just my 2¢.
Chris
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On Fri, 1 May 2009 00:01:02 +0300
Dotan Cohen <
Dotancohen@gmail.com Quote: :
>
Being the jerk that I am I decided to call Logitech to ask if their VX
>
Nano mouse works with Ubuntu Linux, as the webpage says only Windows
>
Vista:
> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices /3271&cl=US,EN
>
>
The rep told me that the mouse might work, but there are no drivers.
I
> ask him if "might work" means that I should buy the mouse or not, and
>
He said don't buy it.
I asked if Logitech has any mice that work with
>
Ubuntu Linux, and said "unfortunately not".
>
>
So, as nice as the Logitech VX Nano is, I'll be buying a Microsoft
>
Notebook Presenter 800 (The Microsoft rep was very helpful on the
>
Phone).
>
My cordless Desktop S510 from Logitech certainly is working.
At least
if you can read this reply typed on it.
Keyboard and mouse set.
--
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914 [ http://counter.li.org/ ]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.
[ http://keepingdreams.com ]
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Dotan Quote: :
I asked if Logitech has any mice that work with
>
Ubuntu Linux, and said "unfortunately not".
thats quite odd that someone would give info like that dont you think?
ive been using ubuntu for maybe 2 years, and linux in general since 99,
i havent encountered one mouse yet that didnt work, dell, logitech,
razer, hp, etc, etc
steve
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Ruben Quote: :
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That's seems odd...
I have a Logitech TrackMan Wheel.
It works great
>
With Ubuntu. I've never had a problem
>
>
Maybe what they're trying to say is that they don't have any support
>
For it or that they can't guarantee that it'll work with Ubuntu...
No, it's a particular sales rep who is saying (possibly with the full
support of the company) that their products _don't_ work with Linux -
because basically he doesn't want to go to the hassle of checking.
I say
"possibly with ...
Support" because it actually makes some business sense
for Logitech to explicitly deny support to avoid the hassle of supporting a
small portion of the market.
And it will continue to make business sense to
them until Linux users make it clear that the attitude costs them.
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Dotan Quote: :
>
Being the jerk that I am I decided to call Logitech to ask if their VX
>
Nano mouse works with Ubuntu Linux, as the webpage says only Windows
>
Vista:
> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices /3271&cl=US,EN
>
>
The rep told me that the mouse might work, but there are no drivers.
I
> ask him if "might work" means that I should buy the mouse or not, and
>
He said don't buy it.
I asked if Logitech has any mice that work with
>
Ubuntu Linux, and said "unfortunately not".
One has to wonder how much business he's lost the company over the term of
his employment.
I have no idea if the VX Nano works, but _of course_ most
Logitech mice _do_ work with Linux.
But I get your point - it's not even so
much whether or not the mouse works in Linux, as the fact that the company's
representatives care so little about Linux that they aren't even aware that
_some_ of their products work just fine.
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On 04/30/2009 04:58 PM, Derek Quote: :
>
Ruben Quote: :
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>>
That's seems odd...
I have a Logitech TrackMan Wheel.
It works great
>>
With Ubuntu. I've never had a problem
>>
>>
Maybe what they're trying to say is that they don't have any support
>>
For it or that they can't guarantee that it'll work with Ubuntu...
>
>
No, it's a particular sales rep who is saying (possibly with the full
>
Support of the company) that their products _don't_ work with Linux -
>
Because basically he doesn't want to go to the hassle of checking.
I say
> "possibly with ...
Support" because it actually makes some business sense
>
For Logitech to explicitly deny support to avoid the hassle of supporting a
>
Small portion of the market.
And it will continue to make business sense to
>
Them until Linux users make it clear that the attitude costs them.
>
Nearly all of their product pages (at least for mice) also note that
they don't support/work with Mac's either.
Sample:
< http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices /3053&cl=us,en >
<Quote: >
**Some profile settings require Setpoint to be enabled and are not
supported on Macintosh, Linux and earlier Windows-based operating systems.
</Quote: >
which Microsoft does.
One would think that they'd want a piece of the
Mac market as well...
But they are a Swiss public company w/corporate HQ
in California (not far from me) with declining shares:
http://ir.logitech.com/overview.cfm?
http://ir.logitech.com/stockQuote: .cfm?
<
Http://ir.logitech.com/financialhistoryQtr.cfm?pagesect=Prod &IncomeYear=2009 >
So, were I them I'd certainly invest in supporting both Linux and Mac
(which is pretty much linux any more 'I think').
Maybe Shuttleworth can
convince them :-)
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Derek Broughton <
Derek@pointerstop.ca >wrote:
>
Ruben Quote: :
>
>
> That's seems odd...
I have a Logitech TrackMan Wheel.
It works great
>
> with Ubuntu.
I've never had a problem
>
>
> > Maybe what they're trying to say is that they don't have any support
>
> for it or that they can't guarantee that it'll work with Ubuntu...
>
>
No, it's a particular sales rep who is saying (possibly with the full
>
Support of the company) that their products _don't_ work with Linux -
>
Because basically he doesn't want to go to the hassle of checking.
I say
> "possibly with ...
Support" because it actually makes some business sense
>
For Logitech to explicitly deny support to avoid the hassle of supporting a
>
Small portion of the market.
And it will continue to make business sense
>
To
> them until Linux users make it clear that the attitude costs them.
>
>
>
i too have a usb trackman wireless mouse on a usb-ps2 converter run through
a 4 port kvm switch, which btw the manufacturer was surprised that the mouse
works at all with the switch, that works with ubuntu.
Logitech may not
support linux, but that doesn't mean that linux doesn't support logitech.
cheers,
dwain
--
"Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God.
" - Kahlil Gibran
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"...logitech may not support linux, but that doesn't mean that linux doesn't
support logitech."
Well put.
RubO.
Varela Rosa
http://www.rovr138.com
rovr138@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:24 PM, dwain <
Dwain.alford@gmail.com Quote: :
>
>
>
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Derek Broughton <
Derek@pointerstop.ca >wrote:
>
>>
Ruben Quote: :
>>
>>
> That's seems odd...
I have a Logitech TrackMan Wheel.
It works great
>>
> with Ubuntu.
I've never had a problem
>>
>
>> >
Maybe what they're trying to say is that they don't have any support
>>
> for it or that they can't guarantee that it'll work with Ubuntu...
>>
>>
No, it's a particular sales rep who is saying (possibly with the full
>>
Support of the company) that their products _don't_ work with Linux -
>>
Because basically he doesn't want to go to the hassle of checking.
I say
>> "possibly with ...
Support" because it actually makes some business sense
>>
For Logitech to explicitly deny support to avoid the hassle of supporting
>>
A
>> small portion of the market.
And it will continue to make business sense
>>
To
>> them until Linux users make it clear that the attitude costs them.
>>
>>
>>
>
I too have a usb trackman wireless mouse on a usb-ps2 converter run through
>
A 4 port kvm switch, which btw the manufacturer was surprised that the mouse
>
Works at all with the switch, that works with ubuntu.
Logitech may not
>
Support linux, but that doesn't mean that linux doesn't support logitech.
>
>
Cheers,
> dwain
>
>
>
--
> "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God.
" - Kahlil Gibran
>
>
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I was installing a wireless Microsoft mouse on a Mac for a friend.
Plugged
it into my Ubuntu HP laptop as a test and it fired right up.
It would not
work on the Mac or a nearby Windows machine without using the install disk.
Plus, I got my new Dell laptop with the current Intel n wireless card in
today.
The card was recognized even off the Live CD I used to check
everything out before installing.
Very impressive.
tab
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Of course, ALL Logitech products work under Linux.
But they are not
"supported" because Logitech isn't spending any time validating them.
All Logitech mice (and keyboards) follow the USB-HID device
specifications, which is what the Linux mouse and keyboard drivers aim for.
They work.
All.
Gilles.
Dotan Quote: :
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Being the jerk that I am I decided to call Logitech to ask if their VX
>
Nano mouse works with Ubuntu Linux, as the webpage says only Windows
>
Vista:
> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices /3271&cl=US,EN
>
>
The rep told me that the mouse might work, but there are no drivers.
I
> ask him if "might work" means that I should buy the mouse or not, and
>
He said don't buy it.
I asked if Logitech has any mice that work with
>
Ubuntu Linux, and said "unfortunately not".
>
>
So, as nice as the Logitech VX Nano is, I'll be buying a Microsoft
>
Notebook Presenter 800 (The Microsoft rep was very helpful on the
>
Phone).
>
>
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Gilles Quote: :
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Of course, ALL Logitech products work under Linux.
But they are not
except that in this case the sales rep explicitly said they _don't_ work
>
"supported" because Logitech isn't spending any time validating them.
>
>
All Logitech mice (and keyboards) follow the USB-HID device
>
Specifications, which is what the Linux mouse and keyboard drivers aim
>
For.
>
> They work.
All.
Then it makes sense for Logitech to say that they support the USB-HID device
specification (in very small print to avoid scaring the non-technical
users).
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Hi!
Derek Quote: :
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Gilles Quote: :
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>>
Of course, ALL Logitech products work under Linux.
But they are not
>>
>
Except that in this case the sales rep explicitly said they _don't_ work
>
Sales rep is an idiot.
Which isn't surprising given the average level of
the average sales-rep.
He barely knows his products...
Probably only
heard the word Linux once in his life...
And isn't taking any risk
because his management is giving him negative points for returned products.
Since when do geeks trust sales reps for computer gear anyways?
:)
>> "supported" because Logitech isn't spending any time validating them.
>>
>>
All Logitech mice (and keyboards) follow the USB-HID device
>>
Specifications, which is what the Linux mouse and keyboard drivers aim
>>
For.
>>
>>
They work. All.
>>
>
Then it makes sense for Logitech to say that they support the USB-HID device
>
Specification (in very small print to avoid scaring the non-technical
>
Users)
Actually, I've been telling Logitech for years (literally) to officially
announce that they work well on Linux.
I have yet to get a good answer
from them to justify why they don't.
:)
I guess the thing is they are "consumer" not "geek" devices.
Saying "we
support USB-HID" isn't a consumer-understandable statement...
So makes
no real sense for them.
But their policy is to support whenever applicable the default standard
(all *modern* webcams from Logitech are USB-VC, all headsets are
USB-DSP, and all mice and keyboards are USB-HID).
They just are terrible
at communicating that in a way that would be useful for us, the Linux /
Unix community.
Gilles.
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On Thursday 30 April 2009 4:39:58 pm Steve Quote: :
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Dotan Quote: :
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>
>
I asked if Logitech has any mice that work with
>
>
> Ubuntu Linux, and said "unfortunately not".
>
>
Thats quite odd that someone would give info like that dont you think?
>
Ive been using ubuntu for maybe 2 years, and linux in general since 99,
>
I havent encountered one mouse yet that didnt work, dell, logitech,
>
Razer, hp, etc, etc
I don't find it odd at all, it is exactly what you hear at Staples!
Wouldn't
sell me a external USB harddrive yesterday because I don't own a windoze
machine!
Lucky I didn't need a new office chair!
Probably required at least
vista for that.
What is more depressing is that this is the kind of people
who still have jobs!
--
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PDGA# 35276
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_original_inner_circle
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On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Pastor JW
<pastor_ jw@the-inner-circle.org Quote: :
>
I don't find it odd at all, it is exactly what you hear at Staples!
Wouldn't
> sell me a external USB harddrive yesterday because I don't own a windoze
I thought it odd that an internal run of the mill HDD that I bought
several years ago had stamped "Requires Windows" on it.
But I bought
it anyway, and it worked.
I am waiting for the day that power supplies
will have stamped on them "Requires Vista" or some such nonsense.
:)
Maybe the office chair was similarly stamped?
LOL
--
thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk.
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On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:47 AM, David Fox <
Dfox94085@gmail.com Quote: :
>
I thought it odd that an internal run of the mill HDD that I bought
>
Several years ago had stamped "Requires Windows" on it.
But I bought
>
It anyway, and it worked.
I am waiting for the day that power supplies
>
Will have stamped on them "Requires Vista" or some such nonsense.
:)
>
> Maybe the office chair was similarly stamped?
LOL
don't laugh TOO hard...
A few years ago I bought a laptop desk at
Office Depot on sale, and for some reason in the process of getting
the discount the salesperson added in a "replacement warranty" which
came with some sort of software on CD.
The CD (for Windows, as you
might expect) was not necessary because fortunately the warranty
registration could also be performed via a web site.
But I shudder to
think what sort of software Office Depot wants to install on the
systems of people buying FURNITURE from them....
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> And if after putting a penguin on the box, the mouse then costs $75 or
>
$80? No thanks. And in the case of a mouse, we're not talking about
>
A huge leap of faith here.
>
I would pay an extra few dollars for equipment that is certified to
work with my existing infrastructure.
That is a no-brainer.
>
I guess what I'm saying is that while I appreciate the efforts of
>
Those who poke hardware vendors to support linux, in the case of
>
Meese/keyboards it might be counter-productive.
>
Although the basic HID functions will almost surely work, many of
these devices have specialized functions that require specific
drivers.
I am interested in these special features.
>
And the MS rep might tell you to buy it even if you were running a C64 ;)
>
My C64 didn't have a USB port!
--
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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2009/5/1 Derek Broughton <
Derek@pointerstop.ca >:
>
Ruben Quote: :
>
>>
That's seems odd...
I have a Logitech TrackMan Wheel.
It works great
>>
With Ubuntu. I've never had a problem
>>
>>
Maybe what they're trying to say is that they don't have any support
>>
For it or that they can't guarantee that it'll work with Ubuntu...
>
>
No, it's a particular sales rep who is saying (possibly with the full
>
Support of the company) that their products _don't_ work with Linux -
>
Because basically he doesn't want to go to the hassle of checking.
I say
> "possibly with ...
Support" because it actually makes some business sense
>
For Logitech to explicitly deny support to avoid the hassle of supporting a
>
Small portion of the market.
And it will continue to make business sense to
>
Them until Linux users make it clear that the attitude costs them.
>
Exactly, that was the point of my phone call.
If we don't start
standing up and telling the companies that we will support their
bottom line when they support our OS, then Linux and Ubuntu will
remain a fringe OS with no support from any major vendors.
Do you want Ubuntu to succeed in the marketplace, and possibly compete
against commercial operating systems?
Then show the hardware
manufacturers that we exist.
--
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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> So, were I them I'd certainly invest in supporting both Linux and Mac
>
(which is pretty much linux any more 'I think').
Maybe Shuttleworth can
>
Convince them :-)
>
Why leave it to Shuttleworth?
Us the users are more powerful than
Shuttleworth in these manners.
Shuttleworth can say "approximately N
users use my OS" however if N users contact Logitech asking about
support, that is potential sales speaking.
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Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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> Of course, ALL Logitech products work under Linux.
But they are not
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"supported" because Logitech isn't spending any time validating them.
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All Logitech mice (and keyboards) follow the USB-HID device specifications,
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Which is what the Linux mouse and keyboard drivers aim for.
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They work. All.
>
Then the problem is just Logitech pretending that me and my OS don't
exist.
They can do that, it's their choice to pretend that a potential
customer does not exist.
But I would not think that is good for
business.
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Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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Hi!
Dotan Quote: :
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Of course, ALL Logitech products work under Linux.
But they are not
>>
"supported" because Logitech isn't spending any time validating them.
>>
>>
All Logitech mice (and keyboards) follow the USB-HID device specifications,
>>
Which is what the Linux mouse and keyboard drivers aim for.
>>
>>
They work. All
>
Then the problem is just Logitech pretending that me and my OS don't
>
Exist. They can do that, it's their choice to pretend that a potential
>
Customer does not exist.
But I would not think that is good for
>
Business
Actually, you'd be surprized.
By delivering spotless support for a
platform that covers 95% of the world market of desktop, they manage to
do very well.
And irony isn't just for the fun.
That IS their business model.
In a way, they couldn't care less about Linux.
They barely care for Mac
(but their software isn't that good on Mac).
They have a hard time understanding the interest of open source.
It
takes a lot of time for a company with proprietary hardware, proprietary
software to make the leap and go full support of the open source world.
Look at ATI.
They're not 100 % there yet either.
Give'em time.
And don't blame necessarily Logitech for all of it: Blame the sales rep
who doesn't know his products well enough to be able to tell you "yeah,
the mouse doesn't officially support Linux, but all the default USB-HID
features will work...
So you can go ahead and buy it safely".
To give you an example...
If you get a fancy Logitech bluetooth mouse
that comes with its own USB dongle...
It will work, even if your Linux
machine doesn't have a working Bluetooth stack.
Why? Because until the
USB dongle's Bluetooth stack is properly initialized, it first supports
the mouse as a USB-HID over proprietary radio protocol...
But the sales
rep has no idea of that because he's only trained to sell you a no-risk
version at highest possible margin (or price if they're not smart enough).
Gilles.
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2009/5/2 Gilles Gravier <
Gilles@gravier.org >:
>
Hi!
>
> Dotan Quote: :
>>>
Of course, ALL Logitech products work under Linux.
But they are not
>>>
"supported" because Logitech isn't spending any time validating them.
>>>
>>>
All Logitech mice (and keyboards) follow the USB-HID device specifications,
>>>
Which is what the Linux mouse and keyboard drivers aim for.
>>>
>>>
They work. All
>>
Then the problem is just Logitech pretending that me and my OS don't
>>
Exist. They can do that, it's their choice to pretend that a potential
>>
Customer does not exist.
But I would not think that is good for
>>
Business
> Actually, you'd be surprized.
By delivering spotless support for a
>
Platform that covers 95% of the world market of desktop, they manage to
>
Do very well.
>
I think that Windows now holds 89% of the desktop market, but your
point is equally valid at 89% as it is at 95%.
>
And irony isn't just for the fun.
That IS their business model.
>
>
In a way, they couldn't care less about Linux.
They barely care for Mac
>
(but their software isn't that good on Mac).
>
>
They have a hard time understanding the interest of open source.
It
> takes a lot of time for a company with proprietary hardware, proprietary
>
Software to make the leap and go full support of the open source world.
>
Look at ATI. They're not 100 % there yet either.
>
I am not asking for open source drivers from Logitech.
Actually, I
think that Linux needs more proprietary apps.
>
Give'em time.
>
And motivation!
Money is my motivation, and I tried giving it to them
but they don't want it.
>
And don't blame necessarily Logitech for all of it: Blame the sales rep
>
Who doesn't know his products well enough to be able to tell you "yeah,
>
The mouse doesn't officially support Linux, but all the default USB-HID
>
Features will work...
So you can go ahead and buy it safely".
>
He represents to company.
That's what the "rep" in "sales rep" stands for.
>
To give you an example...
If you get a fancy Logitech bluetooth mouse
>
That comes with its own USB dongle...
It will work, even if your Linux
>
Machine doesn't have a working Bluetooth stack.
Why? Because until the
>
USB dongle's Bluetooth stack is properly initialized, it first supports
>
The mouse as a USB-HID over proprietary radio protocol...
But the sales
>
Rep has no idea of that because he's only trained to sell you a no-risk
>
Version at highest possible margin (or price if they're not smart enough).
>
I am aware of all that.
And I _still_ insist that my hardware
acknowledge the fact that I use the OS that I use.
--
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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