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Love Bites: Relationships - TWoP Forums
I thought would create a thread to discuss the various relationships romantic, familial, or platonic.
Right now I am most fascinated by Tara and her relationship with her mother.
Tough love can be a good thing but I think her mother took things too far.
It's not like Tara's drunk driving everyday.
It's her first offense right?
So why not bail her out?
I think Tara's mother makes selfish decisions.
She's worried Tara's behavior is a threat to her sobriety.
She doesn't want to deal with conflict or problems.
She wants things as easy as possible, and Tara isn't an easy person.
I think Sookie has been a crappy friend to Tara.
So far I've seen Tara be the supportive friend and Sookie's so self centered she only sees her own problems.
That self centered behavior also pours into Sookie's relationships with Bill and Sam.
Bill's gone a few days and she's ready to drop him even though he risked himself on her behalf.
I was on board with Bill/Sookie but now I want him to move on.
And I like Sam but I don't like who he is around Sookie.
Sam and Sookie as friends works for me cause there were moments while they looked into the murder where I really enjoyed their interaction.
But for romance I prefer Sam and Tara.
They are both messed up in a way that works.
Sam wants to love Tara but can't get over Sookie.
Tara wants Sam because he loves Sookie and is safely emotionally unavailable, but I think she's terrified that the sex might turn into an actual relasionship.
Both Sam and Tara seem to fall into patterns of self sabatoge.
I'd like to see more of Sookie and her platonic relationships because I want a break from the triangle.
I hope we see some good Jason and Sookie interaction.
He seems so shattered with Amy's death and needs his sister.
Also I'd love more Eric and Bill scenes.
I want to know more of their history.
This post has been edited by Luckylyn : Nov 17, 2008 @ 3:09 pm.
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Thanks for this thread.
There are just so many relationships to explore on this show that I think we've only seen the surface of it so far.
I admit my favorite relationship is Bill and Sookie.
I loved them in the books and still do on the show.
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Great thread
I am still also riding the Sookie and Bill wagon in a big way, the main reason why I stay glued to TB.
My second fave relationship is between not-quite-kissing-cousins Tara (hooker!) and Lafayette (you ugly bitch!).
Great chemistry.
I hope we see some good Jason and Sookie interaction.
He seems so shattered with Amy's death and needs his sister.
As she needs her brother now, too - they have been needlessly alienating each other, especially after Gran died.
Amy seemed to be the only one to cut through the crap and recognize their fragile bond, trying to finesse their reconciliation from both sides.
Sam/Sookie bothers me on so many levels: boss/employee, Bill/Tara, designated protector/vulnerable damsel in distress, shapeshifter/telepath, fangbanger/vampire antagonist;
You name it. The fact that Sookie & Sam were so adorable and relaxed together when sleuthing out the killer makes this even worse.
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I think Sookie has been a crappy friend to Tara.
So far I've seen Tara be the supportive friend and Sookie's so self centered she only sees her own problems
IA, Tara just needs someone to be there for her.
I suppose that's what made her so eager to trust Maryann.
I'm hard core Bill/Sookie.
I want this relationship to get further explored on a emotional and physical level.
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They have been needlessly alienating each other, especially after Gran died.
Amy seemed to be the only one to cut through the crap and recognize their fragile bond, trying to finesse their reconciliation from both sides.
I think Amy's death and Jason's imprisonment will hopefully be what brings Sookie and Jason together.
I think they need eachother even if they don't always realize it.
I think Jason understands he needs his sister but Sookie doesn't because he's shown himself to be shallow and unreliable.
But Jason has more heart than I would have thought.
Sookie's shown so much immaturity.
I can't get back on board with her and Bill together until she grows up a bit and gets less self centered.
If it ends up with Bill taking action to prove he is worthy to get Sookie back, I will be irratated cause she's the one who needs to prove herself this time.
I want a reconciliation where she apoligizes to Bill for her lack of faith in him because he didn't deserve that.
As for Sam and Sookie, maybe they're destined to be like John and Chiana from Farscape.
Platonic friends who spark with eachother but just won't go there.
There is chemistry there but when it gets romantic they bring out the worst in each other.
I like them as friends.
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Again, I chalk a lot of this up to bad writing at the expense of the Sookie character.
She's been an incredibly indiscreet blabbermouth these last few episodes.
After Bill told her that she was the ONLY one who knew where he rested during the daytime she blabs to Rene and Hoyt that he slept in the ground at the cemetery after the Tacky Trio's visit.
By comparison she was the soul of discretion at Fangtasia -- although she acted like a 10 year old visiting an amusement park.
As for Bill not warning Sookie when he took her to Fangtasia -- let's not forget that they pointed out several times in the episode that Pam, Eric and Long Shadow all pointedly said they hadn't seen Bill for a long time since he'd been mainstreaming.
Also, we haven't gotten a lot of Bill's backstory other than the fact that he's a loner.
Sookie seems to be his first real relationship -- human or vamp in awhile, so it's just possible he's a little slow on interactions -- not to mention vamps are supposed to be secretive.
At least that's what I thought until Eric announced to everyone in Merlotte's that they had to get to the Tribunal.
Again, another bit of sloppy and inconsistent writing...
I'm convinced the writers are making Sookie look stupid merely as a plot device to advance the S/Ls -- this is sloppy lazy writing.
As for the Bill/Eric relationship, Bill definitely dislikes and is chafing under Eric's "rules" but he's stuck with him and he knows it.
Eric, OTOH is relishing his power trip.
Bill and Sookie have trouble everywhere they turn -- individually and as a couple.
They'd better at least have them reconcile in this episode, since I'm sure they're going for the cliche cliffhanger of Bill sizzling in the sunlight.
This post has been edited by Antigone14 : Nov 19, 2008 @ 5:53 pm.
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WHY is Sookie angry at Bill?
When Bill and Sookie were talking in bed after that horrible night at Fangtasia, Sookie said she had to keep the blame on herself or she would be really mad at Bill.
I think in Bill's absence and with the continuing threat to her life, Sookie has been unable to keep the blame on herself anymore.
When she was looking at herself in the mirror at Fangtasia, when she was covered in Longshadows blood, she had the same look on her face as when she was cleaning up Gran's blood.
It was look that I thought implied that she was trying to suppress all her feelings about what was happening.
I think the feelings have now come up and she is projecting on Bill.
Hopefully, she will move past this in the last episode.
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This show is bugging the shit out of me.
Does Bill not have a single flaw?
Really? So he gets to do all of the heroic and/or chivalrous things all by his lonesome?
Book!Bill is possibly the most boring creature in the universe to me, and the only thing that saves him for me is the fact that he has flaws.
Is AB really so desperate for us to like him that Bill has to get up on his high horse about fucking everything, all the while giving him all of the other characters' "Sookie savings"?
I'm still wanting to cut a bitch over him declaring that he'd rather be kept in the silver-lined coffin instead of turn Jessica into a vampire.
Please. Why not just give him a fucking halo or make him "sparkle"?
Jesus.
I love book!Sam, and I actually want him to be the one to end up with Sookie.
I also love the actor who plays Sam, but the whole dynamic of tv!Sam/Sookie is off to me.
I don't want to keep harp on the books, because I know the show is an entirely different entity (and I'm okay with that), but I actually only read all the books two weeks ago because I was enjoying the show so very much.
Now I'd really rather I hadn't read them.
The books are not perfect, but I enjoyed the relationships so much more in the books.
I am not necessarily disappointed in the story that AB wants to tell, but the way he makes the core characters so much less interesting, while making the peripheral characters 800x more interesting is frustrating.
My favorite thing about the books is how you can kind of root for any of the men (Sam/Bill/Eric/ maybe even Quinn ) because they all have something redeeming about them.
It's not so cut and dry.
I wish AB will kind of explore that duality that we sometimes have where we love different people for different reasons, and we have the ability to love more than one person at a time.
Sometimes we need different people at different points in our lives because the holes we need to fill aren't all the same shape.
That is one of the most fascinating things about the characterizations in the books, and I am disappointed that it's not being explored.
Since Bill is the most perfect, selfless creature in AB's Sookieverse (insert my eyes rolling here), Sookie and Bill are the least interesting relationship on the show for me.
Tara and her mother, Tara and Lafayette, Sam and Tara, Bill and Eric, Pam and Eric - all far more interesting to me.
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Sookie's shown so much immaturity.
I can't get back on board with her and Bill together until she grows up a bit and gets less self centered.
If it ends up with Bill taking action to prove he is worthy to get Sookie back, I will be irratated cause she's the one who needs to prove herself this time.
I want a reconciliation where she apoligizes to Bill for her lack of faith in him because he didn't deserve that.
Word!
I was hardcore on the Bill/Sookie love train, but not so much anymore.
I'm sold on Bill's love for Sookie esp with what is hinted at in the previews at the end of the last episode, but I'm not sold on hers for him yet.
This post has been edited by bawlmermd : Nov 20, 2008 @ 7:49 am.
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I wish AB will kind of explore that duality that we sometimes have where we love different people for different reasons, and we have the ability to love more than one person at a time.
Sometimes we need different people at different points in our lives because the holes we need to fill aren't all the same shape.
That is one of the most fascinating things about the characterizations in the books, and I am disappointed that it's not being explored.
I love your comment here, primarily because that is exactly what I believe I have been watching.
I think Alan Ball is showing us these dualities in all the characters.
I think Sookie's reaction to Bill, and his wild and dangerous world, are an example of loving some parts of someone, but not all.
I think that's partially why she is struggling right now, and why Sam's (somewhat) normalcy is attractive to her when she is feeling scared and freaked out by Bill and his vampire politics.
Sam is what she needed at that time, consistency and security.
I think the violence she saw in Bill when he attacked Sam (I believe first time she has seen this side of him?) took her by surprise.
Sam's comment of "now you see what he's really like" (paraphrased) emphasized this different side of Bill that Sookie may have a hard time accepting.
(She doesn't know about Uncle Molester's demise yet).
I think we will begin to see more levels of Bill's imperfections and struggles next season.
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For me, the Bill+Sookie relationship is boring.
I'm rooting for Sam +Tara.
Love them as a couple, both are damaged goods, perfect for each other...and the chemistry between Sam and Rutina is just amazing.
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When Bill and Sookie were talking in bed after that horrible night at Fangtasia, Sookie said she had to keep the blame on herself or she would be really mad at Bill.
I think in Bill's absence and with the continuing threat to her life, Sookie has been unable to keep the blame on herself anymore.
I think this is very smart and it hadn't occurred to me till you pointed it out, artgal .
In recent episodes I've been frustrated by Sookie's immaturitytelling Hoyt and Rene about where Bill slept, for example, was utterly stupid and lovestruck.
But oddly enough, in this latest episode she seemed quite reasonable to me again.
I totally bought that she could be adrift enough in her life to see Sam as a reliable protector as opposed to Bill.
I'm not a big fan of Sam since he's done too many bad doggie things, but he loves Sookie like a faithful dog, too.
It's clear that Bill loves Sookie, but from Sookie's perspective, Bill freaking out about her kiss with Sam, and acting like the other crazy threatening vampires that she's seen in his company, would most certainly cause her to defend Sam and push Bill away.
She doesn't know anything about the trial or whatever...She adored Bill and he had promised to protect herand then poof he was gone with the vamps.
And apparently, unbeknownst to Sookie, they took Bill's cell phone away from him, too!
ITA with the poster who said that if Bill had managed to stand there quietly seething till Sam and Sookie noticed him, it would have been awkward but she would have welcomed him back.
But Bill did not behave like a gentleman in this case, and I kind of surprised myself with how much I sided with Sookie this time.
But I think she still loves him, and Bill will come back calmer in the finale and make things right.
Cause ultimately, Sam can't hold a candle (or a bone) to Bill in the sex appeal department: "I am vampyre!"
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But Bill did not behave like a gentleman in this case
Bill's reaction was very human given the situation.
I don't know many guys who would walk in on their significant other, see her kissing another and calmly wait until the kiss was over to politely discuss the situation.
Especially given that he's been gone for 2 days online, not by choice and not for fun.
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Bill's reaction was very human given the situation.
Not that I want to be Sookie's defender, particularly, or belabor the point, but instantly baring fangs for attack and flying at someone doublespeed is not a human reaction at all.
I think this is part of why Sookie got so mad.
She's been away from the vamp drama for several days (though granted she's been attacked by a human killer in the interim) and I think she's just sick of the danger and violence in her life.
I don't see Sookie as Bill's "significant other" yet, either.
They've known each other for a week or two and have had intense romantic mindblowing sex, but no promises of fidelity have been made by either of them.
I guess I'm in the minority, but I don't see the Sam/Sookie kiss as a big deal at allthough I can see why it tripped Bill's kill switch.
He's taking this "She is mine" stuff like the extremely pre-feminist Civil War veteran he is.
I don't fault him for that, eitherfor a 173-year-old, he's certainly no male supremacist.
I'm just saying that IMO Sookie's reaction to Bill in this situation was not unreasonable, childish, or out of character.
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I don't think her reaction was unreasonable, but the kiss was.
When I said that Bill's reaction was "human", I only meant that I understand where he is coming from.
I believe any man in the situation vampire or human would react strongly and without thinking of the consequences.
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