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Microsoft sees end of Windows era - Mac Forums
Category: Microsoft
Link: Microsoft sees end of Windows era
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Man. i'm not going to lie - this article makes Midori sound really amazing.
what if the reazing Vista was so horrible was because all the research was going towards midori.
Haha. man
i wonder if this concept will actually prove to be as great as the article makes it seem
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Quote: : man. i'm not going to lie - this article makes Midori sound really amazing.
what if the reazing Vista was so horrible was because all the research was going towards midori.
Haha. man
i wonder if this concept will actually prove to be as great as the article makes it seem Which part of Midori?
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I don't get what makes this better than Windows Se7en?
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Quote: : I don't get what makes this better than Windows Se7en?
There are no significant details about Midori in this article.
It's basically a general discussion about virtualization.
The SD Times provides more "information" although it appears to be mostly speculation.
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This article is more than 8 month old.
Why is it being featured just now?
I remember reading about this awhile ago...
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Am I the only one that wants my OS to stay on my machine?
Theres something about all this cloud talk that I just don't like that much, probably all the wireless dependancies you have to rely on.
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Quote: : There are no significant details about Midori in this article.
It's basically a general discussion about virtualization.
The SD Times provides more "information" although it appears to be mostly speculation.
So all of my files are somewhere else?
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Quote: : Am I the only one that wants my OS to stay on my machine?
Theres something about all this cloud talk that I just don't like that much, probably all the wireless dependancies you have to rely on.
I agree. I got rid of my MacBook to get my iMac specifically because I want to go to my physical computer to do my work.
When I'm on a laptop, it makes me feel like I'm using a "temporary" computer until I get back to my iMac.
Don't know, but I'm an early adopter of technology, so if it makes sence, I'm open to it but we'll see.
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Sounds an awful lot to me like a SAL version of MS's HAL (Software Abstraction Layer instead of Hardware Abstraction Layer).
If I'm reading it right, it means basically having a little mini OS environment that is installed along with the app itself--sounds very much like what WINE does, but presumably faster and better integrated.
What I'm not seeing is the advantage of this vs.
A very well sandboxed app layer and/or virtual machine (Java, for example) designed for a more traditional OS.
Really, if you're going to abstract things that far, why not just run distributed apps, other than that MS is in the business of selling people things they generally don't need.
I did find this amusing:
Quote: : Many companies were still using very old applications that existing operating systems would not run, he said.
By putting a virtual machine on a PC, those older programs can be kept going.
Sounds like Classic to me.
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Quote: : This means, he said, that Windows can struggle with more modern ways of working in which people are very mobile and very promiscuous in the devices they use to get at their data - be that pictures, spreadsheets or e-mail.
[Emphasis added.] "Promiscuous" with their data?
Promiscuous ? Does anyone else have the same issue I do with this?
It's almost like saying "You know, if you bad users just kept your data the way we want you to keep your data, everything would be fine."
I don't like Microsoft's tone.
No, I don't like their tone here at all.
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Microsoft, being big company they are, should just invest their cash in startups like iCloud that ALREADY offer a cloud based OS albeit being a bit basic.
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All this article tells me is Microsoft is getting tired of having to deal with 5 million different pieces of hardware.
They should have known that a long time ago.
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What's up with Microsoft and all these Japanese names, lately?
Midori (green) and Kumo (spider or cloud, depending on who you ask)?
Anyway, Midori is already a lightweight Web Kit browser.
As far as Microsoft's Midori goes, I don't want my applications, documents or any part of my OS sitting on the "cloud," a.k.a.
Someone else's computer.
I like the idea of connecting to my own documents from my house on my server from a remote location, but this is already possible.
From engadget :
"a distributed environment where applications, documents, and connectivity are blurred in a cloud-computing phantasmagoria which can be run natively or hosted across multiple systems."
I do like the idea of one OS shared across my entire network.
This just seems like the natural evolution of a server, with the server spread across each machine to prevent downtime in case of an individual machine failure or restart.
The "cloud" aspect of it could be useful, but I hate to give my ISP any more leverage than I have to.
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The one thing that I don't get about Cloud OSs are that what happens when either your internet goes down or you're in a place (such as rural areas or even airplanes) with limited or slow internet access?
The evolution of the cloud does seem like a smart idea as it would be nice to have files synced across computers, but I think it is essential to have non-cloud parts to the OS.
I'm not sure if this is what Microsoft is proposing and how it would all work, but for the time being, I don't think a solely cloud based OS is particularly feasible.
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The End of Windows!
Praise the Lord! In their vision, they will dominate the world by making the superior virtual machine.
In mine, they'll be gone, baby, GONE!
The bad news for Microsoft is that they are nothing special when it comes to virtualization.
Also, you don't need to be a monster-sized deathcorp to compete in the arena.
Look at how little Parallels is holding its own against the old-timer VMWare.
Microsoft is late to the party and they can't count on a Netscape-style collapse again to take over the industry.
Finally, the world will see that Microsoft isn't so clever.
Gates' one great move was licensing DOS to IBM instead of selling it, but the rest of their success is due to theft and devouring little competitors.
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Quote: : The End of Windows!
Praise the Lord! In their vision, they will dominate the world by making the superior virtual machine.
In mine, they'll be gone, baby, GONE!
The bad news for Microsoft is that they are nothing special when it comes to virtualization.
Also, you don't need to be a monster-sized deathcorp to compete in the arena.
Look at how little Parallels is holding its own against the old-timer VMWare.
Microsoft is late to the party and they can't count on a Netscape-style collapse again to take over the industry.
Finally, the world will see that Microsoft isn't so clever.
Gates' one great move was licensing DOS to IBM instead of selling it, but the rest of their success is due to theft and devouring little competitors.
Parallels is only alive because Apple want them to be.
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Anyone who likes the idea of cloud computing needs to have their head examined.
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Quote: : Microsoft is late to the party and they can't count on a Netscape-style collapse again to take over the industry.
Yes they very well can.
In fact, they're employing the very same bundling trick that they used to kill Netscape almost overnight with Internet Explorer.
VMware Workstation and Server were the standard desktop virtualisation solutions, so Microsoft bought Virtual PC/Server and started giving it away for free.
VMware ESX and various Xen-based alternatives created the enterprise virtualisation market, and here's Microsoft with the free Hyper-X solution, just in time to be the default option for anyone who is not an early adopter.
This is wilful destruction of software value for the sake of establishing leadership in yet another area, and so far the antitrust authorities are just sitting on their hands.
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Quote: : anyone who likes the idea of cloud computing needs to have their head examined.
Yes. They need to be educated that when we used "dumb terminals" (or what are euphemistically called "thin clients"), storage was expensive, slow and unreliable.
Between cheap, fast, reliable spinning drives and large SSDs, it's a much better idea to run apps locally.
One application I can see for using cloud computing is if you need occassional access to a specialized, expensive program.
Given the progress that we have seen in hardware in the past two decades, I can hardly believe that people want to go back to the 70's era model.
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Quote: : This is wilful destruction of software value for the sake of establishing leadership in yet another area, and so far the antitrust authorities are just sitting on their hands.
I agree. MS killed Netscape, now they are aiming for Parallels and VMware.
As far as the cloud thing goes, they can keep it.
Who in their right mind would trust MS with their data, given the terrible track record of security?
Not me!
I'll pay the $79 to VMware any day.
I haven't tried the Virtual PC stuff since the first release, it was so bad I just gave up.
I'm sure that it has improved, but I have had no problems at all with VMware and only a few minor issues with Parallels.
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Quote: : Sounds an awful lot to me like a SAL version of MS's HAL (Software Abstraction Layer instead of Hardware Abstraction Layer).
At first I thought this was a joke on HAL 9000 and SAL 9000 from 2001 - A Space Oddessy and 2010 - The Year We Make Contact!
Silly me
As far as I care, its Microsoft, therefore bad.
Especially since I'm not a fan of clouds anyway...
SG
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A nice article. it will be interesting to see if microsoft goes that direction.
I don't think they'll make it
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Quote: : anyone who likes the idea of cloud computing needs to have their head examined.
Like it or not, it's going to happen.
Just as people refused to place their money in a bank in the 1800s, people are currently resistant to putting their data in a "bank." But it's getting so there's simply too much data to manage, and users are struggling to keep it safely stored.
Cloud computing takes care of all that.
The only thing holding it back is the technology.
The interface must provide desktop-quality interactivity.
We're almost there.
Quote: : Midori is widely seen as an ambitious attempt by Microsoft to catch up on the work on virtualisation being undertaken in the wider computer industry.
Once again, the old refrain of MS playing catch-up.
That juggernaut of a company simply can't react fast enough to growing trends and instead spits out Vista.
Midori seems to have more in common with MobileMe than Windows 7.
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Quote: : The interface must provide desktop-quality interactivity.
Yes. And be able to do so when the internet isn't available.
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