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touring in the uk??? - Topic Powered by Eve For Enterprise
This topic may have been covered already, if so apologies for my ignorance,
but i,ve often wondered whether theres a chance the enz may come to our shores (the u.k)?
i think with neils success with crowded house, finn brothers etc, and the cult following would ensure full houses,
i,d like to know what other frenz opinions are on this subject,
i know neil has been Quote: d as saying he would like to do a big tour with all the enz/ crowded house, but i would be more interested in seeing the enz on they,re own tour, something the uk has sadly not had since the early days,
mike u.k.
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I'm not planning on seeing them in NZ, but if they ever did go to the UK, I would be all over that.
I have a lot of friends/Frenz there.
It would be a good time.
I think the band could definitely do it, too.
~*~
Lu Yan: He who speaks, does not Know;
He who Knows, does not speak.
Surely you're masterful.
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That would be another dream trip for me (the 1st having been last year's Aus.
Gigs). But I will not be holding my breath for it.
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I love Split Enz, but as warm and fuzzy as it is to see them reunite from time to time and tour points antipodean, I would hate to see them do a European/World tour just as a nostalgia trip.
Pray don't take offense.
What I mean is - it would be a shame, a waste of an opportunity.
It's clear to me that Split Enz is a viable beast.
If the core members all think so too, then my ideal scenario would be for them to (AFTER the forthcoming CH album!) get together, rehearse, WRITE, put an ALBUM OUT, and then World Tour With A Purpose!
How radical would that be?
Can you imagine a NEW Split Enz album??
What would it even sound like, with all the experience, musical and otherwise, of all the members during these intervening years?
I for one would love to hear it.
I expect it would be different from anything they've ever done, and I have a feeling that it would be brilliant.
Crombie on drums.
Says I.
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Mr.
Sadly knows some of our members feel rescued by Neil.
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Green on drums. Says I.
And I don't mean Peter!
It is a great idea Mr.
Sadly, and I completely agree with you.
I wish it would happen....
Being an original Split Enz fan, I would be at every gig, money permitting.
But with regard to everything that has been said recently, it doesn't seem very likely I'm afraid.
But maybe it's Time For A Change!
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Peter did say that he had a feeling this might be the last Enz tour, because they're getting harder and harder to arrange.
I'm inclined to agree unfortunately.
A NZ tour seemed inevitable after Australia, indeed some of the merch had Australia and NZ written on it.
But it took so long to coordinate that I thought it was never going to happen, so it's hard to see them pulling together for something far more risky like the UK or the US.
Especially when NZ ticket sales haven't been overwhelming.
But, with these guys I've come to say never say never!
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I was sort of standing on the periphery of a bunch of people talking to Neil and I know someone asked him the liklihood of a Split Enz tour in the Northern Hemisphere someday and for some reason I just cannot remember what he said...but I'm thinking it was somewhere along the order of "dream on"
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Picture it now...the Enz return to the Hammersmith Odeon (now Apollo) in 2009 (29 years on from that legendary 1980 show) and get a full house AGAIN!
Now that would be worthy of a special live DVD!
Gav
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Their lack of chart success in the UK has always baffled me ...
One Top 20 single and that was it.
What went wrong?
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Peter did say that he had a feeling this might be the last Enz tour, because they're getting harder and harder to arrange.
I'm inclined to agree unfortunately.
A NZ tour seemed inevitable after Australia, indeed some of the merch had Australia and NZ written on it.
But it took so long to coordinate that I thought it was never going to happen, so it's hard to see them pulling together for something far more risky like the UK or the US.
Especially when NZ ticket sales haven't been overwhelming.
But, with these guys I've come to say never say never!
Yes M.K.
I am shocked that Welleywood is only near a full house, it should have sold out ages ago, like C.H.
But in saying that the ROCK2WGTN March 22-23 is bad timeing.
But the excitment is building for me and there are posters all around town and a giant billboard at the TSB Arena, i will have to get out and take some pics and post here at Frenz Forum.
I really think that the Enz have been bought home...i hope not to be layed to rest but, as the boys say it is a fun thing for them to play togther and less and less depends on it.
To my way of thinking extra dates seem remote, but who knows maybe a warm-up gig ?.
But both the Finn Brothers have been touring a lot of late.
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/video_popup_windows_skin/655731
One things is for sure 'History Never Repeats'.
http://tv3.co.nz/Video/SplitEnzperformHistoryNeverRepea.../cat/55/Default.aspx
Roll on March.
W.E.
Care.
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Their lack of chart success in the UK has always baffled me ...
One Top 20 single and that was it.
What went wrong?
I believe it was something to do with the Falklands* war and the BBC censorship.
The follow up to I Got You (which went top 10 I thought?) was going to be Six Months In A Leaky Boat, released to coincide with the breakout of the Falklands war (not deliberatly, just happened to be).
The BBC decided it might be damaging to the morale of the troops and, indeed, the nation at large, so banned the song.
The major source of promotion was taken away and the single bombed.
*For anyone not sure what I'm rabbiting on about, the Falklands are a british colony in the south atlantic near the coast of Argentina.
In a nutshell - In the early 1980s the Argentinians decided to invade and take the islands back, the british government decided they weren't going to stand for this and so declared war on them and sent our navy and troops south to sort it out.
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I Got You was #12 or #10 in the UK depending on which source you believe.
But the other singles off True Colours flopped in the UK, and the Waiata album suffered a similar fate in 1981.
There must be more to it than just the Falklands issue in 1982.
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The follow up to I Got You (which went top 10 I thought?) was going to be Six Months In A Leaky Boat, released to coincide with the breakout of the Falklands war (not deliberatly, just happened to be).
The BBC decided it might be damaging to the morale of the troops and, indeed, the nation at large, so banned the song.
It should be emphasised that it was a naval battle, where there were a number of ships sunk and resultant casualties.
I cannot remember the details offhand, but I believe one of these sinkings pretty much coincided with the release of 6 Months - so a song about leaky boats just wasn't going to go over too well at a time of such heightened sensitivity.
I think Flicker's right though, there's more to it than the war causing one single to stiff.
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I think it was specifically the sinking of the Argentian ship, the Belgrano.
Extensive loss of Argentian life which appalled everyone on both sides of the fracas.
Well the public anyway.
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Quote: :
Quote: :
The follow up to I Got You (which went top 10 I thought?) was going to be Six Months In A Leaky Boat, released to coincide with the breakout of the Falklands war (not deliberatly, just happened to be).
The BBC decided it might be damaging to the morale of the troops and, indeed, the nation at large, so banned the song.
It should be emphasised that it was a naval battle, where there were a number of ships sunk and resultant casualties.
I cannot remember the details offhand, but I believe one of these sinkings pretty much coincided with the release of 6 Months - so a song about leaky boats just wasn't going to go over too well at a time of such heightened sensitivity.
I think Flicker's right though, there's more to it than the war causing one single to stiff.
It didn't cause it to stiff as such, the BBC banning it basically meant that it had no airplay at all, and the major source of promotion was removed.
It never had a chance from the moment they decided it was damaging to morale.
As for there being more to it than that - everything before I Got You wasn't right for the UK, Six Months was the first real chance for them to build on a sound that was of the time and a growing fanbase, having that opportunity removed nailed the coffin shut.
You get knocked back like that once at that stage and thats it.
You don't get a second chance.
SE had the added problem that by being from New Zealand, they were always going to struggle in the UK music scene - sad but true, if you're not a native, its harder for you to get heard.
They weren't making music that sounded like the mainstream either.
Then you take in to account the funny (funny as in strange not ha ha) dress sense and it was just a non starter really.
The UK in the 1970s, the outfits the band wore either fitted glam - which they weren't - or punk - which they also weren't.
So by looking weird but sounding like nothing else that looked that weird, they made a rod for their own back.
They were sort of outside their time - before it, after it, of it, all rolled in to one.
I don't think its ever been a great mystery, it seems pretty obvious to me.
They weren't making glam rock when glam was big, they aren't David Bowie or Roxy Music, they weren't making punk when punk was big.
The one window of opportunity was in the early 80s (82?) when I Got You came out and they had a bit of a new wavey vibe going on which suited the time, but the BBC and the falklands stopped that.
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Quote: :
they made a rod for their own back.
But a stylish rod no doubt, courtesy of our dear Mr.
Crombie!
Split Enz was a band whose brilliance, unfortunately, was lost on the uninitiated.
There was an almost defiant avant-garde artistic flair to the Enz that may have seemed off-putting, and I don’t necessarily mean just their outfits (although that certainly contributed).
There was something undeniably idiosyncratic about their musical output as well, something that took a little getting used to;
A sound that didn't quite make sense, until you managed to get your head into their airspace.
Once you did, there was no going back.
What they had was both unique and addictive.
But that loveably odd quality of theirs put them at a distinct disadvantage when trying to crack markets.
With very few exceptions (two at the absolute most), their singles were simply not the stuff of the charts or hearts of the great unwashed.
Not that the general public couldn't have come to LOVE it!
But most of them never got the chance to be won over.
Not enough exposure.
So that without the ground prepared, even the poppier efforts just kind of bounced off harmlessly.
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Mr.
Sadly knows some of our members feel rescued by Neil.
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I would still love to see Split Enz in the UK though.
And with the following that Neil/Tim/Crowded House have, there are no doubts that a tour would sell.
Not sure it will ever happen for us in the UK though.
Fingers (and all else) crossed!
I'm living in a minor key, a melancholy mystery...
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There's no doubt that a Split Enz concert would be quite a draw in Britain.
Even though they only had one hit single in the UK, they had a real following.
It would be possible for the band to play there (many other international acts play just one UK show every once in a while) - promoters would be interested and they could feasibly fill the Albert Hall, for instance.
But, it doesn't seem like there's any interest from the guys themselves in doing it.
As for their relative lack of success in the UK, I don't think we should exaggerate the banning of Six Months by the BBC.
This was far from a follow-up to I Got You.
Other good possible songs were either not released (Poor Boy) or failed to chart (History Never Repeats).
I'm not sure that us Brits are that insular with our music tastes - plenty of other acts from Oz/NZ had hits in the 80s.
I feel that you have to look at how little time the band spent in Britain after 1980.
A few dates on the Waiata world tour and that's it.
Quite understandably, they concentrated on existing markets where they were having hits and didn`t tour Time and Tide in the UK at all.
It would have been important to have played gigs and stirred up media interest rather like the Crowdies did with the Woodface album.
Still, whether they ever come or not, we have a great body of work and some great new products coming out 25 years after they split up
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Other good possible songs were either not released (Poor Boy) or failed to chart (History Never Repeats).
Ah, but Poor Boy *was* released as a single in Britain - and flopped.
And History did chart in the UK, albeit only at #63.
Quote: : they didn't tour Time and Tide in the UK at all.
Granted, that was not a good career move.
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I think that the reasons that Split Enz were not more successful in the Uk have very little to do with what was popular at the time - there was plenty of different music around in the early eighties.
My opinion is that promotion ie being written about by way of live reviews and record reviews and mainly touring were the ways to sell records in the Uk at that time.
Remember there was no internet at that time - I was a fan in the Uk and saw the Enz at what was to be there last ever date in the Uk at Portsmouth Guildhall on 2 July 1981!
If only I'd known that I'd have taken so much more in!
In Stranger than Fiction it mentions that the Enz decided only to tour where there was interest a bit like a chicken and the egg situation - which comes first?
As I said I was a fan but not part of any fan club at that time and after Waiata there was no information available.
At that time I'd assumed they had split up!!
Only seeing a small review of Time and Tide told me otherwise.
I think that the banning of six months is a red herring, if they had toured in support of the strong album that T & T was I believe things could have been so different.
Just my thoughts but I was there at the time.
To end this long post - sorry - a one off Split Enz gig/tour in the Uk would be great - how about 2 July 2009 at Portsmouth Guildhall to finish off things neatly in the Uk for the Enz - DVD obligatory of course!!
Or How about following Sparks' example and playing through each of their albums perhaps over a fortnight at the same venue!!
I can dream
Paul
Every Whisper Reveals A Dark Secret
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