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WSJ.com Forums :: View topic - The Americas: Cuba Doesn't Belong in a Democratic Club
Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 11:20 pm Post subject: The Americas: Cuba Doesn't Belong in a Democratic Club (8 ratings)
Welcome to the Opinion Journal forum.
Please comment on this week's Americas column, " Cuba Doesn't Belong in a Democratic Club ," by Mary Anastasia O'Grady.
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 4:02 am Post subject: Re: The Americas: Cuba Doesn't Belong in a Democratic Club (6 ratings)
These same words and arguments were used when China sought to join the United Nations and those opposed tried to derail approval of China as a member.
There is a confluence of events that could result in historic changes within Cuba and with Cuba's relationships with other nations of the world.
Those who continue to espouse the need to maintain the same policies that have been given 50 years to succeed but which have resulted in a total failure to achieve the goals of the policies.
The embargo against Cuba has helped the Castro regime through providing Castro with a bogeyman for the need to exercise tighter controls over the economy and the political expression allowed in the country, which hurts the Cuban people more than it hurts Castro.
The United Nations has submitted a number of resolutions to the Security Council for the removal of the embargo against Cuba.
Only two countries out of 192 countries which are members of the UN, [b]the United States , which is on the Security Council with veto power over any UN resolution;
And Cuba , which not only does business there but owns and operates businesses there.
During the Bush years, both the House of Representatives and Senate voted for legislation to remove the Cuban embargo.
A Conference Committee of Senate and House members met to work out differences in legislation approved by them.
President Bush opposed removal of the embargo had a great deal of pressure applied on the Republican members of the Committee, [i]with the Republicans in the majority , to prevent any finalized legislation that would be sent to the President Bush for signature or veto.
The legislation died in the Conference Committee.
It is time to change course, get over our state of denial, and change policies to reflect realistic policies that are in the interests of the people of Cuba and certainly have the support of every country in the world except the United States.[i]
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 7:42 am Post subject: Re: The Americas: Cuba Doesn't Belong in a Democratic Club (5 ratings)
According to the OAS Charter, neither Cuba or the U.S.
Qualify as members.
The several U.S. attacks on member attacks on OAS Members such as Panama,Genada and Nicaragua, disqualiofy it.
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 7:49 am Post subject: Re: The Americas: Cuba Doesn't Belong in a Democratic Club (8 ratings)
Cuba in the OAS?
Sure, why not. Might as well let Iran in NATO while were at it.
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 8:16 am Post subject: Re: The Americas: Cuba Doesn't Belong in a Democratic Club (10 ratings)
The opinion piece misses the most critical point: What is it exactly that the US accomplishes by excluding CUBA?
Ms O'Grady misses this point entirely and callously disregards the cruelty of the current policy.
Omar Haedo - San Juan , PR
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 10:18 am Post subject: Re: The Americas: Cuba Doesn't Belong in a Democratic Club (7 ratings)
The fact many of the OAS members want to includ Cuba in it's ranks points out to the futility of having democracy as a goal of any international organization.
The problems include diplomats who almost universally view their home countries and governments with distain and contempt, but obey dictators who can and will kill diplomats and their families, while those who represent democracies fell free, if not compelled to sell out their own nation.
Thus dictatorships in the long run come to own any international organization even if the number of dictatorships are considerablly lower in the organization's membership than the democracies.
In the bargains between democracies and dictatorships, the compromises always compromise democracy.
Further, just because a head of government was elected in an honest or reasonablly honest election, does not mean that they do not have the desire to be dictators or favor dictatorships.
President Obama bows to the Saudi king, though before and since has not done so to European royality, and he has delivered calculated insults to the leaders of western democracies while embracing the dictators at every opportunity.
Former Presidents Clinton and Carter eagerly courted the favors of dictators and autocrats.
In contrast, the late President Reagan pushed for democracy in Latin America, using diplomatic pressure to encourage the generals to make way for elected government, and confronted the Soviet Empire.
This is not limited to heads of government, as many members of national legislatures have sold themselves out to foreign autocrats, often for breathtakening small amounts of money, and often for no money at all if ideology is involved.
Dictators always have the advantage in international organizations, and in the end will take them over.
Internationalism will always be the enemy of democracy.
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: The Americas: Cuba Doesn't Belong in a Democratic Club (2 ratings)
What do you call it when someone does the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
Insanity? How about the Cuban embargo!
After 50 (!!) years the jury is back- it hasn't worked.
In fact, I believe it strengthens the regime by keeping the Cuban people in isolation.
I say lift the embargo and flood Cuba with Americans along with our culture and ideals.
Let the Cuban people see the future that can be theirs.
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: The Americas: Cuba Doesn't Belong in a Democratic Club (2 ratings)
At some time between 1960 and 1990, the governments of Brazil, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia, Panama, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Guatemala have also "murdered and imprisoned dissidents, done away with free elections and economic and civil liberties".
Not one of them was even admonished by the OAS powers-that-be?
Why should Cuba be singled out for punishment?
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: The Americas: Cuba Doesn't Belong in a Democratic Club (2 ratings)
Has anyone ever explained in a satisfactory manner,why communist China,Is okay to trade with,but Marxist Cuba,Is not?
Maybe its "SIZE MATTERS"?
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: The Americas: Cuba Doesn't Belong in a Democratic Club (2 ratings)
Ms.
O'Grady makes one error in her otherwise excellent article.
Cuba is not a military dictatorship.
A military dictatorship arises when the armed forces of the state seize political power from its civilian authority.
This is what Julius Caesar did in Rome, what Cromwell did in England, what Napoleon did in France, what Primo de Rivera did in Spain, what Nasser did in Egypt, what Park Chung-hee did in South Korea, what Suharto did in Indonesia, and what Pinochet did in Chile.
All of these leaders had command authority over troops organized by a pre-existing government, and used that authority to take political power as well.
Castro came to power as leader of a political movement which had its own military force.
The Cuban revolutionary "army" was formed under Castro's control in response to his political leadership.
Despite his predilection for wearing fatigues, Castro was a civilian.
And in the years since Castro took power, the Cuban army has remained strictly subordinate to the Communist Party.
It is true that the Castro regime depends on military force to hold power, but it depends as much or more on its secret police.
It is a police state.
It is probable that, as in the former Soviet Union, the armed forces are riddled with police spies to insure their absolute control by the civilian rulers.
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 3:22 am Post subject: Re: The Americas: Cuba Doesn't Belong in a Democratic Club
I don't know why some people defend Castro and forget about the violations of Human Rights in Cuba as: They can't leave that country if they want, they can't ask how much money they want to do their job, they don't have fair justice, fair elections
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: The Americas: Cuba Doesn't Belong in a Democratic Club
As it is allways the matter, beyond Ms O'Grady excellent article, there is lots that misses the eye...
The office of the Central Bank in Venezuela in charge issuing macro economic numbers closed;
Before it did, the methodology used for it was publicly critized;
Minister of Popular Power, Jorge Giordani said recently: Socialism will only thrive under deep poberty;
17 thousand companys are either closed or gone...
Chavez postponed elections of Juntas Parroquiales, Concejales to counties to next year, violating the constitution;
It is public knowledge, we will not have any more elections;
GloboVision shows a video of Chavez and Fidel talking while the later tells him "¿elections?, ¿what are the good for?
This, while showing an incredulous look;
Last governnors and county mayors elections showed opposition in crecendo and Chavez decreasing popularity;
Chavez said to close GloboVision, the enemy of the Revolution because news Tv Station got info from USA upon last earthquake becasue governship agencys did not answered the phone...Lie and publicity are the main concerns under which all propaganda is issued in comunist like regimes;
So, Does Insulsa gets his pocket fattening while faboring Cuba to OAS or does he persues presidency of Chile under a private agenda?...
Any speculation is valid.
O yes, the embargo, while it did not accomplished its goal, I think its main error was, not to be structured in time according to goals met, it should be more dynamic, it should divert onto other actions, nevertheless, all actions should mantein universal freedom and democracy as criteria under which fabor any opening policy.
Communist conspires in order to accomplish their goals and they dont play under dangerous democratic system, only brave people do.
Luis Caballero, lucaba1708@gmail.com
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