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Is the media to blame for ....? - Debates & Discussions - Opera Community
Is the media to blame for ....?
... Violence.
Are adults and children exposed to violent TV, films, video games and other media, much more likely to get influenced by it, commit crime and violent acts towards others.
Shocking reports of violent crimes committed by juveniles seem to have become common, but does the media make it glamorous, causing people to become Media Born Killers?
...Teenage mothers and fathers.
Are teenagers influenced by sex in the media, does it encourage teenagers to have sex?
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Drug use.
Has there been a growth in the amount of drug use shown in the media?
Does media portray a false reality, and have people such as Robert Downey Jr, Courtney Love, Whitney Houston, Pete Doherty and Amy Winehouse shown youngsters how cool drugs are or warned them off...
Racial hatred
Does the media encourage and promote racial hatred, The BNP asserts that there are biological racial differences and uses the media to get it's point across.
Brigitte Bardot was recently fined £12,000 for inciting racial hatred.
She outraged anti-racist groups by saying: “I’ve had enough of being led by the nose by this whole population which is destroying us, and destroying our country by imposing their ways.”
Body image problems
Cultural ideals shape the way we think we should look.
But does the media influence this too much?
Hype
Global Warming Dangers, The War in Iraq, Crime, The Energy Crisis, Credit Crunch, Killer Bees, Super Bugs ...
The list is endless.
But is it all created by the media to make things look worse than they really are ?
Do you use any of the following media?
( you can pick several )
Option Results Votes Tv 67% 8 Films 75% 9 Radio 67% 8 Internet 100% 12 Newspapers 33% 4 Gossip Mags 8% 1 Total number of votes: 12
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The media is to blame for a lot of things.
Irresponsible media that insensitive to or irreverent to the concepts of Right and Wrong.
Television is one the greatest and worst tools ever created.
It has the potential for good - but more often than not, regular television programming (definitely in the United States) is quite destructive in nature.
Ironically, the blatant disregard of regular television along with the brute force marketing required to "shove" it into our living rooms has lead to the demise of network programming - and the supremacy of Cable Programming.
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Through cover media and tv its a way of governing our minds and they way we think ,in many words hypnosis for world domination .
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Whenever you hear the words "Don't try this at home!"
You just know that someone, somewhere is thinking oO( Yeah man!
I'm so doing that tomorrow )
Not everyone who sees an advert for a new Lexis goes out and buys one, but there a few people who do.
I feel the same is true with the sex, violence and drug aspects of the media.
Especially with the added peer pressure of todays youth who see it as cool or awesome.
I think the problems start when a small minority of people are unable to distinguish what is real and what is fantasy.
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Well I think violent video games are providing a valuable service http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTbYUd1jUc4
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My 10 year old asked for a "driving game" that the kids at school play "called GTA San Andreas."
My dear god I almost had a fit when I saw what the game entailed.
Which idiots at that school are letting their 10 year olds play that, it's a certificate 18!
No wonder the kids who killed James Buldger turned out to be psycopaths if that's the sort of media they were exposed to.
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Originally posted by stimpsoncorner:
My 10 year old asked for a "driving game" that the kids at school play "called GTA San Andreas."
Yeah I had that game for a while.
It was cool. I especially enjoyed the old rap in the game.
It brought back memories of growing up for me.
As for the gameplay itself, it isn't that bad(for kids.
Perhaps 10 is a bit young though) with the exception of when you pick up a prostitute and find a secluded area.
It's your typical "shoot-em up game".
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Originally posted by stimpsoncorner:
GTA San Andreas
I played that game for hours and hours on end.
Then one day I was watching a news programme investigating violent video games - it had the same game and they gave a demonstration of what the game is like - the person playing it picked up a prostitute, found a secluded area, availed of services, paid her, then killed her and stole all her money!!!
In all my playing I never had a notion you could do such a thing!
Just shows what you can learn from watching these type of shows
Originally posted by stimpsoncorner:
Is the media to blame for ...
... Violence... ...Teenage mothers and fathers...
... Drug use... ...Racial hatred...
...Body image problems...
...Hype... ...Global Warming Dangers, The War in Iraq, Crime, The Energy Crisis, Credit Crunch, Killer Bees, Super Bugs ...
Partially, partially, entirely, entirely, entirely, entirely, entirely, entirely, partially, entirely, entirely, ???, ???
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Originally posted by lucideer:
I played that game for hours and hours on end.
Then one day I was watching a news programme investigating violent video games - it had the same game and they gave a demonstration of what the game is like - the person playing it picked up a prostitute, found a secluded area, availed of services, paid her, then killed her and stole all her money!!!
In all my playing I never had a notion you could do such a thing!
Just shows what you can learn from watching these type of shows
You can do stuff with prostitutes and you can kill people, so it's only a logical...
I'm not sure if I've ever done it though, or if I was really consciously aware that you could do it.
I didn't really like the first part of the game anyway.
As far as I'm concerned the game more or less started once you left the first area...
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Originally posted by Frenzie:
You can do stuff with prostitutes and you can kill people, so it's only a logical...
True..
But normally one would only make that connection if you were explicitly asked "can you get prostitute and kill her and rob her afterwards".
Otherwise, it's just not something that would occur to me to consider the possibility - not that I'm any kind of celibate peace-lover.
It's just not what I spend my days contemplating.
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Originally posted by lucideer:
Otherwise, it's just not something that would occur to me to consider the possibility - not that I'm any kind of celibate peace-lover.
It's just not what I spend my days contemplating.
Then are violent video game players to blame for the media?
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Originally posted by stimpsoncorner:
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Violence.
This has been debated for a very long time.
Plato argued in the Republic that the arts, particularly the theatre were (or could be) damaging to society & could promote imitative violent behaviour.
(Ch IX The Primary Education of the Guardians ).
Aristotle countered this view ( Poetics ) & claimed that the theatre could be cathartic & beneficial to society.
I think that a lot of the problems in society are not created by the media, but rather that the media is manipulative & cynically uses any of these to sell itself & gain advertising revenue.
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If you go far enough, you could blame the ten commandments for popularizing immoral behavior.
I mean, without them I'd never have considered coveting my neighbor's ass.
All of this theorizing puts the cart before the ass.
The temple prostitutes were alluring not because of television or movies, but because they were there in the first place and because men enjoy screwing women.
Killing people has always been an option.
Popular media didn't bring it into being, and for all the slaughter I've seen, artfully done or in real life, I've never been drawn to it, have never contemplated it and don't even find it attractive in movies or on TV.
If you look at the world, you'll find that the highest murder rates follow the availability of lethal weapons.
Baghdad and the darker warrens of NYC, and not the availability of movies and television.
Drugs?
Coca Cola and cocaine.
Shucks, if I'd been around when Coke advertised as below, I'd have been drawn to the women, not the drugs.
Folks have been experimenting with drugs for eons.
Remember Odysseus and the Lotus Eaters, and his crew's dangerous diversion?
The blinding of the drunk Cyclops?
Drink moderately, boys and girls, particularly if you have only one eye.
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The media doesn't create psychopaths - however, a psychopath will become much worse if he continually indulges in his antisocial activities.
It's the people who are unable to separate fact from reality that are the problem - and that's a problem no matter which media you prefer.
It's just that obsessive soap-opera stalkers are generally slightly less dangerous than those that find it acceptable to murder prostitutes.
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Originally posted by Daveski17:
I think that a lot of the problems in society are not created by the media
The question (in this thread) as far as I see it is not: did the media create these problems, which would of course be ridiculous, but rather: is the (mass tv,radio,etc.
Journalistic) media the cause of them.
Sounds like the same thing of course, but when you think of the scale of such problems, and imagine their hypothetical scale sans-media excascerbation then you can see a divide between creation (the spark) and cause (the fuel).
Originally posted by Jaybro:
If you look at the world, you'll find that the highest murder rates follow the availability of lethal weapons.
This is patently incorrect.
I could probably dig up some lies, damn lies and etc.
To prove it so but I won't bother.
I'll just state it for posterity.
(If you want some interesting correlation though, try digging up the ratio of murder rates to media reportage of murders in various countries)
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Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:
a psychopath will become much worse if he continually indulges in his antisocial activities
Bless us for Jack the Ripper's not having had TV and stalker movies at his disposal.
And BTW, how do we know that what you suggest is the case?
We can be relatively sure that crimes of some type will increase as the economy worstens.
Will TV be the operative trigger?
I'm open to a possible linkage, but wonder about the extent.
New research by Professor Christopher J.
Ferguson of Texas A&M University concludes that there is "no significant relationship" between violent videogames and school shootings, and strongly criticizes "faulty" claims that such a relationship exists.
Ferguson's report, The School Shooting/Violent Videogame Link: Causal Relationship or Moral Panic?, begins with a short overview of current research on the impact of violent videogames on behavior, saying that the results of such studies are "mixed," with some supporting a link between violent gaming and aggressive behavior and others finding no such link.
But results are tainted by numerous factors, he says, including the failure to include "third" variables such as personality, family violence and genetics, as well as the "considerable difficulty in generalizing the results from laboratory tests of aggression to real world serious acts of aggression."
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.84736
Frankly, the case will have to be made convincingly before I buy into it.
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Failure to include "third" variables such as personality, family violence and genetics
I think there's a "fourth" set of variables not being considered here - the depth/format of the video game itself, if you like the "personality" of the game.
If a convincing link were ever found between any violent games and subsequent violent behaviour, I would wager it would be far more likely to be found in certain games with certain plot-lines, dialogue, general scope - rather than being purely dependent on abstract "level of violence".
i.e.
-An extremely violent, but simplistic, abstract, video game like say..
Mortal Combat or Mad World might have less of a link while those with plotlines actively inciting intolerance and discrimination (GTA, NARC) or glorifying war (CoD) might have more.
That is of course if there's any link to be found at all which I'm not entirely convinced of myself.
Video games are not so much what I'd consider "media" within the scope of this topic when compared to "serious" journalism.
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Originally posted by lucideer:
Originally posted by Daveski17:
I think that a lot of the problems in society are not created by the media
The question (in this thread) as far as I see it is not: did the media create these problems, which would of course be ridiculous,
What is more ridiculous is the media feeding off personal tragedies, & then politicians claiming that the failings of society &/or crime are a result of the media & its influence.
Have you ever seen the film Natural Born Killers?
http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0110632/
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Originally posted by lucideer:
This is patently incorrect.
I could probably dig up some lies, damn lies and etc.
To prove it so but I won't bother.
I'll just state it for posterity.
Your right, since nobody demanded that of you.
The available studies (without being anything more than a rank amateur) are all over the place, so it's almost a matter of finding those that support one's position taken before looking at any studies.
Try on the following for good measure.
Shooting Down the More Guns, Less Crime Hypothesis
John Lott and David Mustard have used regression analysis to argue forcefully that 'shall-issue' laws (which give citizens an unimpeded right to secure permits for concealed weapons) reduce violent crime.
While certain facially plausible statistical models appear to generate this conclusion, more refined analyses of more recent state and county data undermine the more guns, less crime hypothesis.
The most robust finding on the state data is that certain property crimes rise with passage of shall- issue laws, although the absence of any clear theory as to why this would be the case tends to undercut any strong conclusions.
Estimating more statistically preferred disaggregated models on more complete county data, we show that in most states shall- issue laws have been associated with more crime and that the apparent stimulus to crime tends to be especially strong for those states that adopted in the last decade.
While there are substantial concerns about model reliability and robustness, we present estimates based on disaggregated county data models that on net the passage of the law in 24 jurisdictions has increased the annual cost of crime slightly -- somewhere on the order of half a billion dollars.
We also provide an illustration of how our jurisdiction-specific regression model has the capacity to generate more nuanced assessments concerning which states might profit from or be harmed by a particular legal intervention.
http://ideas.repec.org/p/nbr/nberwo/9336.html
Many studies of gun violence correlate gun ownership with murder/shootings.
How many criminals bother to register their firearms?
My earlier statement was too simplistic because it failed to include other important variables.
As the above abstract suggests, there is much to consider.
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Violence? Not really.
Humans have always been violent, its just getting a whole lot more press now.
Everything else, probably.
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Originally posted by Conor M:
Humans have always been violent, its just getting a whole lot more press now.
Are you arguing that the media is only a recent invention?
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Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:
The media doesn't create psychopaths - however, a psychopath will become much worse if he continually indulges in his antisocial activities.
It's the people who are unable to separate fact from reality that are the problem - and that's a problem no matter which media you prefer.
It's just that obsessive soap-opera stalkers are generally slightly less dangerous than those that find it acceptable to murder prostitutes.
I agree totally.
A classic case is the Columbine Massacre.
Some say watching violent movies and playing violent added to the cause of Klebold and Harris shooting kids at the school.
( 2 of my blogs touch on the subject.) I believe these kids were mentally unstable to begin with, add at to the bullying they recieved, and the things they enjoyed, it's obviously eaiser to shoot up the school than to fit in.
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Proof indeed media is to blame for violence!
Within 5 mins of watching Kungfu Panda, my kids thought they were Bruce Lee and started kicking the shit out of each other.
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Originally posted by stimpsoncorner:
Proof indeed media is to blame for violence!
Within 5 mins of watching Kungfu Panda, my kids thought they were Bruce Lee and started kicking the shit out of each other.
You need to do stand-up comedy...
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I watched Gordon Brown for five minutes on the telly, it didn't turn me into a retarded Scotsman though!
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Maybe it's just my kids that are affected then?
Once my two watched Star Wars garden canes became lightsabres.
Indiana Jones - The sofa became a temple, and my DVD collection became holy treasure.
I did have to step in when tv remotes became weapons.
I'm too scared to let them watch carry on camping as I'll be suckered in to putting the tents up in the garden
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Originally posted by stimpsoncorner:
and my DVD collection became holy treasure.
Good luck recollecting all of your "holy treasure"!
I'm sure it got spread everywhere.
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I don't think the Media, as a whole, is to BLAME for any of the above.
It is definately influential and can glamorise certain aspects of live.
Just take a look at Skins with young people taking drugs, drinking and having sex but on the flipside you have newspapers reporting on the recent 13year old Dad case in a negative way.
Essentially, if something is forbidden - kids will want to do it.
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I think you all are idiots to think that we can blame something and it will work itself out.
I mean what the hell.
This not news people, the blaming of the stupid media has been around and honestly you can't blame them, if a high school student wants to tear up his school with an uzi, let him, he is the one getting into trouble with the law, not the media.
And this is for all aspects of media ot just violence.
You learn self-control.
Not to hard i friggen hope.
So next time a kid in your neighborhood wants to sling dope at the age of 15 or blast a another kid in the face, or what ever and you do nothing blame yourself never the media, the media is a scapegoat.
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Originally posted by Virusboy:
the media is a scapegoat.
In some cases yes.
In others no.
I think it depends on age of the person and suceptabilty to the imput of ideas.
Where do some girls get the idea that "Skinny" and I mean size 0 and - 0 to the point of death is beautiful ?
The media !
They see glamour models and think that is how they should be.
When was the last time you saw a size 20+
glamour model showing people big can be beautiful ?
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Originally posted by stimpsoncorner:
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Where do some girls get the idea that "Skinny" and I mean size 0 and - 0 to the point of death is beautiful ?
The media !
The fashion industry is more likely behind the idea of the thin is beautiful concept rather than the media.
The press can be manipulative but it is motivated primarily by the drive to generate profits.
Hence the immature right-wing rantings of papers like the Daily Mail who seem to be convinced that the entire country is full of alcoholics, drug addicts, perverts, inept social workers, stupid immigrant nurses, binge-drinking migrant workers, lazy unemployed people, benefit cheats, illegal immigrants, socialists, communists, geography teachers & Johnny Foreigner.
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Originally posted by Daveski17:
The press can be manipulative but it is motivated primarily by the drive to generate profits.
Hence the immature right-wing rantings of papers like the Daily Mail who seem to be convinced that the entire country is full of alcoholics, drug addicts, perverts, inept social workers, stupid immigrant nurses, binge-drinking migrant workers, lazy unemployed people, benefit cheats, illegal immigrants, socialists, communists, geography teachers & Johnny Foreigner.
But it is innit!
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Originally posted by stimpsoncorner:
Originally posted by Daveski17:
The press can be manipulative but it is motivated primarily by the drive to generate profits.
Hence the immature right-wing rantings of papers like the Daily Mail who seem to be convinced that the entire country is full of alcoholics, drug addicts, perverts, inept social workers, stupid immigrant nurses, binge-drinking migrant workers, lazy unemployed people, benefit cheats, illegal immigrants, socialists, communists, geography teachers & Johnny Foreigner.
But it is innit!
If you believe the Daily Mail, yes.
If you have a brain, no.
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Originally posted by Daveski17:
The press can be manipulative but it is motivated primarily by the drive to generate profits
That's the problem though innit!!
Originally posted by Daveski17:
If you have a brain, no.
I think those with brains can tend to underestimate the subconscious influence of such things though, whether you take them at face value or not.
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Originally posted by lucideer:
Originally posted by Daveski17:
The press can be manipulative but it is motivated primarily by the drive to generate profits
That's the problem though innit!!
This goes all the way back to the early 1800s.
Newspaper owners in mainland Britain were complaining then that they had to fill papers with salacious nonsense, rumours & bullshit of the highest magnitude just to sell the damn things to cover their overheads.
Originally posted by lucideer:
Originally posted by Daveski17:
If you have a brain, no.
I think those with brains can tend to underestimate the subconscious influence of such things though, whether you take them at face value or not.
I don't.
I've had my subconscious surgically removed.
Next I'm going for a personality by-pass.
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Originally posted by Daveski17:
I've had my subconscious surgically removed.
Next I'm going for a personality by-pass.
The process will soon be complete.
No subconscious, no personality, no soul (Damn, dirty heathen!)
You must be Lucifer himself?
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Originally posted by thedawgfan:
Originally posted by Daveski17:
I've had my subconscious surgically removed.
Next I'm going for a personality by-pass.
The process will soon be complete.
No subconscious, no personality, no soul (Damn, dirty heathen!)
You must be Lucifer himself?
I'm trying to become a Glaswegian.
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Originally posted by Daveski17:
I'm trying to become a Glaswegian.
I should have known.
What was I thinking?
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Originally posted by thedawgfan:
Originally posted by Daveski17:
I'm trying to become a Glaswegian.
I should have known.
What was I thinking?
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Originally posted by Daveski17:
Originally posted by thedawgfan:
Originally posted by Daveski17:
I'm trying to become a Glaswegian.
I should have known.
What was I thinking?
Still, could be worse.
You could be a Derby supporter, or a Rangers supporter for that matter.
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Everyone knows I have no brain.
As no head x rays have been successful, my doctor concludes I am one of the people, who think and talk out of their arse.
Hang on ...
President Kennedy's brain went missing after he was shot.
I therefore conclude a member of the autopsy team had been watching "Invasion of the body snatchers" and must have compelled take it.
Because the film said it was okay.
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Having worked in the newspaper industry, I can say that the paper-and-ink publishers are getting more and more desperate for sales - the panic problem is going to get worse, not better.
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Originally posted by thedawgfan:
Originally posted by Daveski17:
Originally posted by thedawgfan:
Originally posted by Daveski17:
I'm trying to become a Glaswegian.
I should have known.
What was I thinking?
Still, could be worse.
You could be a Derby supporter, or a Rangers supporter for that matter.
Derby was originally a Viking settlement, so what do you expect?
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Originally posted by stimpsoncorner:
Everyone knows I have no brain.
You'll find no argument from me on this one.
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I suppose the danger of the news media (like Sky News), etc is, who really controls the content and what is their motive?
After John Major won the general election in the UK in 1992 against Neil Kinnock, the front of the countries bestselling newspaper had the headline, 'It's The Sun Wot It'.
And this wasn't out of arrogance on their part I believe.
Some people will believe what they want to believe.
Its up to the individual to decide.
Bad things have always happened, but were not reported, so lets not pretend we can turn the clock bad.
Lets all go with the flow and help spread the rot!!
Apathy rules!!
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Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:
Having worked in the newspaper industry, I can say that the paper-and-ink publishers are getting more and more desperate for sales - the panic problem is going to get worse, not better.
ive noticed that here in colorado as well, very sad.
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Originally posted by Virusboy:
ive noticed that here in colorado as well, very sad.
From what I can see of online journals, most American ones seem quite good.
Please don't tell me there is a US equivalent of the Daily Mail!
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Originally posted by Daveski17:
Originally posted by stimpsoncorner:
Everyone knows I have no brain.
You'll find no argument from me on this one.
Thanks very for the compliment.
I'll take it as one or I'd
oO( If anyone wants me I'll be in the "you've got no-mates, so go shut the hell up corner".
)
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The media is to blame for just about everything wrong happening in the world Everything people say think or do is highly influenced by media, especially on the internet.
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