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Another theory of mine regarding diet and health clinically proven - mygnrforum.com Guns N Roses Forum
Posted 02 November 2009 - 09:12 PM
Eating a diet high in processed food increases the risk of depression, research suggests.
What is more, people who ate plenty of vegetables, fruit and fish actually had a lower risk of depression, the University College London team found.
Data on diet among 3,500 middle-aged civil servants was compared with depression five years later, the British Journal of Psychiatry reported.
The team said the study was the first to look at the UK diet and depression.
They split the participants into two types of diet - those who ate a diet largely based on whole foods, which includes lots of fruit, vegetables and fish, and those who ate a mainly processed food diet, such as sweetened desserts, fried food, processed meat, refined grains and high-fat dairy products.
After accounting for factors such as gender, age, education, physical activity, smoking habits and chronic diseases, they found a significant difference in future depression risk with the different diets.
Those who ate the most whole foods had a 26% lower risk of future depression than those who at the least whole foods.
By contrast people with a diet high in processed food had a 58% higher risk of depression than those who ate very few processed foods.
Mediterranean diet
Although the researchers cannot totally rule out the possibility that people with depression may eat a less healthy diet they believe it is unlikely to be the reason for the findings because there was no association with diet and previous diagnosis of depression.
Study author Dr Archana Singh-Manoux pointed out there is a chance the finding could be explained by a lifestyle factor they had not accounted for.
"There was a paper showing a Mediterranean diet was associated with a lower risk of depression but the problem with that is if you live in Britain the likelihood of you eating a Mediterranean diet is not very high.
"So we wanted to look at bit differently at the link between diet and mental health."
It is not yet clear why some foods may protect against or increase the risk of depression but scientists think there may be a link with inflammation as with conditions such as heart disease.
Dr Andrew McCulloch, chief executive of the Mental Health Foundation, said: "This study adds to an existing body of solid research that shows the strong links between what we eat and our mental health.
"Major studies like this are crucial because they hold the key to us better understanding mental illness."
He added people's diets were becoming increasingly unhealthy.
"The UK population is consuming less nutritious, fresh produce and more saturated fats and sugars.
"We are particularly concerned about those who cannot access fresh produce easily or live in areas where there are a high number of fast food restaurants and takeaways."
Margaret Edwards, head of strategy at the mental health charity SANE, said: "Physical and mental health are closely related, so we should not be too surprised by these results, but we hope there will be further research which may help us to understand more fully the relationship between diet and mental health."
http://news.bbc.co.u...lth/8334353.stm
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Posted 02 November 2009 - 09:47 PM
That's why the raw food vegan movement is growing I think.
I'm slowly trying to go 100% raw.
I've noticed people have become more aware of the connection with mental and other wellbeing and dietary habits.
Some people even claim to have cured from diseases like MS and cancer by changing their diets, which does in some level make sense.
Hasn't it been known for a long time that trans fats (very much used in fastfoods) cause depression?
This post has been edited by pet0 : 02 November 2009 - 09:56 PM
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Posted Yesterday, 12:52 AM
Well being fat and being depressed seem to go hand in hand unless you are a jolly fat man.
Back to top MultiQuote: Reply #4 AbominableHoman FRONTMAN Group: Supporters Posts: 5,681 Joined: 21-July 04 Location: Orygun Posted Yesterday, 02:31 AM
Ive always believed the same thing myself.
Any time I start eating junk (busy with school and work) I can tell a difference in my attitude.
When I can focus on a diet of whole grains, veggies, and some fruit, along with a lot of water.
You feel incredibly healthy.
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Posted Yesterday, 03:45 AM
There's definitely a connection, but it's also the other way around - if someone is depressed already they're far more likely to eat crappy food because they have no urge to eat "real" stuff.
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Posted Yesterday, 06:52 AM
Soulseller, on 03 November 2009 - 03:45 AM, said:
There's definitely a connection, but it's also the other way around - if someone is depressed already they're far more likely to eat crappy food because they have no urge to eat "real" stuff.
+1, People that eat fish and vegetables do so out of their own decision making and not as random condition in a study.
They probably have a more positive outlook than depressed people.
If the study instructed people what to eat for a given period of time--then the information would be useful.
I doubt the findings as the conditions in the study are high-level definitions of "whole foods" and "junk foods" and somehow this is supposed to be linked to depression.
If people that ate junk food were happier in empirical data--would this study have been made?
Back to top MultiQuote: Reply #7 username FRONTMAN Group: Members Posts: 16,422 Joined: 08-January 04 Posted Yesterday, 07:06 AM
pet0, on 03 November 2009 - 04:47 AM, said:
That's why the raw food vegan movement is growing I think.
I'm slowly trying to go 100% raw.
No offense man, but that's insane.
I can't believe that people get all the nutrients they need that way.
I'd be the first to say the junkfood industry is way over the top and people live quite unhealthy these days.
But isn't this just the other extreme end of the spectrum?
Personally I just believe in eating diverse, preparing your own food, eating fresh etc.
And in combining good food regular exercise.
I ride my bike to work almost every day and I run 3 times a week to stay fit.
And when you generally do all that I don't believe eating something quick like for example a pizzza now and then will hurt much.
It just seems to be the moderation aspect that a lot of people seem to be unable to handle.
It's different per country too I suppose.
When my girlfriend was in the states she noticed the food was generally less healthy than it is here.
It was more (over)processed and contained a lot more sugar.
But still, for me it's just about moderation and staying healthy.
I don't want to overthink it either.
But raw food vegan seems like pushing it way too far to me.
Which would be unhealthy too.
Back to top MultiQuote: Reply #8 uoi Full Group: Supporters Posts: 352 Joined: 31-August 08 Gender: Not Telling Location: lol Posted Yesterday, 07:35 AM
By a different logical deduction, I wikipedia'd suicide rates and Japan is #8 on the list by countries.
Japanese diet contains fish, vegetables, etc.
I don't feel there was enough empirical evidence to substantiate funding of a study like this one, and I presume there to be an inherent bias from the beginning.
I could still be wrong, and if so, what would they rename the "Happy Meal"?
Back to top MultiQuote: Reply #9 pet0 SUPER GOD Group: Members Posts: 3,626 Joined: 01-November 04 Gender: Male Location: Finland Posted Yesterday, 03:58 PM
username, on 03 November 2009 - 02:06 PM, said:
pet0, on 03 November 2009 - 04:47 AM, said:
That's why the raw food vegan movement is growing I think.
I'm slowly trying to go 100% raw.
No offense man, but that's insane.
I can't believe that people get all the nutrients they need that way.
I'd be the first to say the junkfood industry is way over the top and people live quite unhealthy these days.
But isn't this just the other extreme end of the spectrum?
Personally I just believe in eating diverse, preparing your own food, eating fresh etc.
And in combining good food regular exercise.
I ride my bike to work almost every day and I run 3 times a week to stay fit.
And when you generally do all that I don't believe eating something quick like for example a pizzza now and then will hurt much.
It just seems to be the moderation aspect that a lot of people seem to be unable to handle.
It's different per country too I suppose.
When my girlfriend was in the states she noticed the food was generally less healthy than it is here.
It was more (over)processed and contained a lot more sugar.
But still, for me it's just about moderation and staying healthy.
I don't want to overthink it either.
But raw food vegan seems like pushing it way too far to me.
Which would be unhealthy too.
No offence taken, I understand how one could see it that way.
It won't certainly be as easy and cheap, but it doesn't mean it's impossible to get all the necessary nutrients that way.
That's what people said when started being a vegan, but since I've been vegan I haven't been properly sick a single time and I feel better in general.
Also since I have lost all temptation to fatty and sugary foods, and I tend to avoid additives (those damn e-codes).
My body tells me which is good for me because it directly reflects to how I feel.
If 100% doesn't work or feel good for me then I won't do it.
The key though, is to know what your body needs and how much (by reading up stuff and listening to your body), and consume foods that provide it.
When starting a vegan diet I made sure I got enough vitamin B12, vitamin D, Calcium etc.
That usually come from animal products.
Actually I lied about being a vegan, I consume fish (you can eat that raw too!), crabs and other seafoods and honey occasionally, but those are the only animal products I eat, I swear .
uoi, on 03 November 2009 - 02:35 PM, said:
By a different logical deduction, I wikipedia'd suicide rates and Japan is #8 on the list by countries.
Japanese diet contains fish, vegetables, etc.
I don't feel there was enough empirical evidence to substantiate funding of a study like this one, and I presume there to be an inherent bias from the beginning.
I could still be wrong, and if so, what would they rename the "Happy Meal"?
Processed fats aren't the only cause of depression and suicides.
If they consumed less vitamin D (which fish is a very good source of) suicide rates would probably be even higher.
This post has been edited by pet0 : Yesterday, 04:24 PM
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Posted Yesterday, 04:19 PM
AbominableHoman, on 03 November 2009 - 03:31 AM, said:
Ive always believed the same thing myself.
Any time I start eating junk (busy with school and work) I can tell a difference in my attitude.
When I can focus on a diet of whole grains, veggies, and some fruit, along with a lot of water.
You feel incredibly healthy.
true
also true:
its not always people who are depressed eat shit food because they are depressed, but people who eat shitty food feel shitty about themselves.
i guess the cause and effect is different for each specific case.
Still, i think its safe to say, improving your diet can only help.
Im living proof of that.
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Posted Yesterday, 04:33 PM
Depression is linked to who you are and how you see life, i eat a fair amount of processed food yet im not depressed, ever really.I feel bloated but not sad.
Depression is often a state of mind more than something you can blame, depression is trendy, like being bi polar.The amount of forum members that have claimed they were bi polar simply because the ginger one is isn't even funny.
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Posted Yesterday, 05:27 PM
pet0, on 02 November 2009 - 09:47 PM, said:
Some people even claim to have cured from diseases like MS and cancer by changing their diets, which does in some level make sense.
Actually it makes no sense, and shows a lack of understanding the disease process involved.
There is evidence that suggests that a healthy diet can help you lower your chances of getting cancer, but it's not going to cure it.
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Posted Yesterday, 06:29 PM
Takeshi, on 04 November 2009 - 12:27 AM, said:
pet0, on 02 November 2009 - 09:47 PM, said:
Some people even claim to have cured from diseases like MS and cancer by changing their diets, which does in some level make sense.
Actually it makes no sense, and shows a lack of understanding the disease process involved.
There is evidence that suggests that a healthy diet can help you lower your chances of getting cancer, but it's not going to cure it.
If you drop unhealthy foods and start eating foods that strenghten your immunune system, and your immune system then takes care of the disease, then I guess you could give some credit to the diet?
This post has been edited by pet0 : Yesterday, 06:37 PM
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Posted Yesterday, 06:47 PM
pet0, on 03 November 2009 - 06:29 PM, said:
Takeshi, on 04 November 2009 - 12:27 AM, said:
pet0, on 02 November 2009 - 09:47 PM, said:
Some people even claim to have cured from diseases like MS and cancer by changing their diets, which does in some level make sense.
Actually it makes no sense, and shows a lack of understanding the disease process involved.
There is evidence that suggests that a healthy diet can help you lower your chances of getting cancer, but it's not going to cure it.
If you drop unhealthy foods and start eating foods that strenghten your immunune system, and your immune system then takes care of the disease, then I guess you could give some credit to the diet?
Does a strong immune system combat cancer?
(Serious question.
I don't know the answer.)
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Posted Yesterday, 06:56 PM
Budweiser, on 04 November 2009 - 01:47 AM, said:
pet0, on 03 November 2009 - 06:29 PM, said:
Takeshi, on 04 November 2009 - 12:27 AM, said:
pet0, on 02 November 2009 - 09:47 PM, said:
Some people even claim to have cured from diseases like MS and cancer by changing their diets, which does in some level make sense.
Actually it makes no sense, and shows a lack of understanding the disease process involved.
There is evidence that suggests that a healthy diet can help you lower your chances of getting cancer, but it's not going to cure it.
If you drop unhealthy foods and start eating foods that strenghten your immunune system, and your immune system then takes care of the disease, then I guess you could give some credit to the diet?
Does a strong immune system combat cancer?
(Serious question.
I don't know the answer.)
I think so yeah but I'm not 100% sure.
Do we have a doctor on board?
This post has been edited by pet0 : Yesterday, 07:04 PM
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