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TSA employee: "armed society is a polite society" - FlyerTalk Forums
From the NJ elections today...
Scroll down to "Where are all the patriotic people".
http://www.northjersey.com/news/loca...nblog2009.html
Suitably ironic I think.
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Quote: : From the NJ elections today...
Scroll down to "Where are all the patriotic people".
http://www.northjersey.com/news/loca...nblog2009.html
Suitably ironic I think.
"An armed society is a polite society."
R.A.
Heinlein
Beyond This Horizon (1942)
Kind of hard to fault the logic of the statement.
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Quote: : "An armed society is a polite society."
R.A.
Heinlein
Beyond This Horizon (1942)
Kind of hard to fault the logic of the statement.
I think you're missing the point.
You (and presumably the TSA employee Quote: d) are responsible for making sure that people aren't armed.
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Quote: : I think you're missing the point.
You (and presumably the TSA employee Quote: d) are responsible for making sure that people aren't armed.
I presume that was a polite way of replying to TSORon?
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Quote: : I think you're missing the point.
You (and presumably the TSA employee Quote: d) are responsible for making sure that people aren't armed.
Not true! You can fly with your weapons, guns and knives, etc., in checked baggage!
But I do get your point, I'm just beig difficult.
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Quote: : Not true!
You can fly with your weapons, guns and knives, etc., in checked baggage!
But I do get your point, I'm just being difficult.
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Quote: : I presume that was a polite way of replying to TSORon?
Yeah, other people are far better at being impolite.
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Did Alvin transfer to EWR????
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Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I agree with that sentiment though.
Which brings me to the question of why I'm living in Maryland ...
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Quote: : "An armed society is a polite society."
R.A.
Heinlein
Beyond This Horizon (1942)
Kind of hard to fault the logic of the statement.
I LOVE Heinlein. Love him.
But that was the dumbest Quote: he, via Lazarus Long, ever made.
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Quote: : "An armed society is a polite society."
R.A.
Heinlein
Beyond This Horizon (1942)
Kind of hard to fault the logic of the statement.
"When a place gets crowded enough to require ID's, social collapse is not far away.
It is time to go elsewhere."
R.A.
Heinlein
Time Enough for Love (1973)
~~ Irish
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Quote: : dawg I LOVE Heinlein.
Love him.
But that was the dumbest Quote: he, via Lazarus Long, ever made.
No way that is one of the best.
In an armed society the good guys have weapons too.
The playing field is level.
Studies have shown that areas that allow open carry or have a liberal concealed carry policy have a lower instance of crime.
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Quote: : The playing field is level.
Studies have shown that areas that allow open carry or have a liberal concealed carry policy have a lower instance of crime.
If you compare US states that is, if you compare the US to the civilised world then crimes like murder are far higher even in states with liberal carry laws.
Merely having a legal held gun increases your chances substantially of being harmed by a gun - whether accidently or in the course of a crime.
In any case an open carry law does not, for example, stop people entering your home or stealing your car, though it will surely encourage muggers to come up from behind when they hit or shoot you
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Quote: : No way that is one of the best.
In an armed society the good guys have weapons too.
The playing field is level.
Studies have shown that areas that allow open carry or have a liberal concealed carry policy have a lower instance of crime.
There needs to be an additional factor to make a society a polite one.
Not honor, because "honor" has sparked as much aggression as almost any other concept in existence (I think "religion" has it beat, but it tends to do death wholesale, while honor does it retail).
There needs to be some sort of restraint built into the society, maybe stemming from a sense of value to human life, I'm not sure.
You're polite because you don't want it to get to the point of killing someone.
Heinlein's Quote: assumes that we'll be polite because if it gets physical the weapons will come out and someone might get killed, and neither wants that to happen.
But, and Heinlein should have known this, in some cultures, societies, or subcultures, your life doesn't mean much, so losing it doesn't mean much.
It's only when you give a shite about your life or possibly the consequences of ending another's that politeness starts to make sense.
Only then do weapons make politeness more likely.
To blithely state that there is a causation between "armed" and "polite" is simplistic in the extreme.
There are a number of factors that determine what causes people to not start shite.
Simply thinking the other guy may be armed is only one of them.
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Quote: : dawg There needs to be an additional factor to make a society a polite one.
Not honor, because "honor" has sparked as much aggression as almost any other concept in existence (I think "religion" has it beat, but it tends to do death wholesale, while honor does it retail).
There needs to be some sort of restraint built into the society, maybe stemming from a sense of value to human life, I'm not sure.
You're polite because you don't want it to get to the point of killing someone.
Heinlein's Quote: assumes that we'll be polite because if it gets physical the weapons will come out and someone might get killed, and neither wants that to happen.
But, and Heinlein should have known this, in some cultures, societies, or subcultures, your life doesn't mean much, so losing it doesn't mean much.
It's only when you give a shite about your life or possibly the consequences of ending another's that politeness starts to make sense.
Only then do weapons make politeness more likely.
To blithely state that there is a causation between "armed" and "polite" is simplistic in the extreme.
There are a number of factors that determine what causes people to not start shite.
Simply thinking the other guy may be armed is only one of them.
That's the problem with quoting out of context, particularly with Heinlein.
In Beyond This Horizon , he wrote of an extremely elaborate societal system of conduct.
I'm not at all sure such a system is currently viable in our society.
~~ Irish
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