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The Jenny McCarthy Body Count website. - Democratic Underground

My nephew told me to check it out.

I'm passing it on.

Lots of good links. snip Is Jenny McCarthy directly responsible for every vaccine preventable illness and every vaccine preventable death listed here?

No. However, as the unofficial spokesperson for the United States anti-vaccination movement she may be indirectly responsible for at least some of these illnesses and deaths and even one vaccine preventable illness or vaccine preventable death is too many. http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Jenny_McCarthy_Bo...

1. For your own constitution.

Maybe you'll be OK after a virus but it won't be pleasant. 2.

For your family, friends, coworkers, strangers in passing.

If one of them catches your virus while your contageous and they haven't been vaccinated, you've inadvertently caused them harm by either sickness or death.

This last part is tilting me toward the vaccination.

I wouldn't want anyone to suffer due to my personal choice.

Excuse me, it's My fault they get sick because they haven't been vaccinated?

Let them play Russian Roulette with their own health with vaccines if they want to.

I keep hearing this argument, and it never makes sense. As to my own constitution, it is just recovering from neurological damage from a wonderful flu shot last November.

Never again.

I mean, REALLY! Let THEM play Russian Roulette with their own health!

And those people who have reacted adversely to shots in the past?

Why should I get vaccinated rather than them?

Who cares if I get sick and pass influenza onto them?

It's their own damn fault!

And those dastardly transplant patients too.

There are a lot of folks in this country with HIV.

Yeah, it's their own damn fault too.

Your fault, stupid.

Sure, I should be happy to be paralyzed by a flu shot, which is what my neurologist said was likely to happen if I had another, I'm just chopped liver. Flu shots are available free for low income people in many areas, so don't give me the poor people stuff.

And I didn't risk my life getting AIDS, so I'm not about to risk it to protect people who have AIDS.

Wtf does that mean?

And in fact are in the same position as others who can't get vaccinated and depend on herd immunity. I don't think vaccines should be mandatory for most illnesses, but they should be universally available;

And all the fearmongering that vaccines are all an evil government plot is dangerous. For the rest, are you actually blaming AIDS patients for their illness?

How liberal and compassionate of you.

There was no warning for him, he WAS HEALTHY UNTIL HE GOT THE SWINE FLU SHOT. Then he was a bedridden vegetable that my friend and her mother had to take care of and change diapers for. He was a farmer, a healthy strong man.

And we all know the black market organ industry gets its pick of sheep from the secret FEMA camps.

If someone is injured due to an action or inaction by me, is it right? Study: 45 percent of adults hospitalized with H1N1 did not have underlying health issue http://www.ajc.com/health/cdc-swine-flu-shots-161660.ht...

The Jenny McCarthy Song http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

This needs to be repeated often and loudly. I'm sorry her kid is autistic, really I am.

But that doesn't give her license to spout this nonsense, which unfortunately, some impressionable people will fall for.

I am also the creator of the Conservative Truths website (currently on hiatus until January 2012) which uses Census Bureau Statistical Reports to compare the differences between Conservative and Liberal Presidencies and Conservative and Liberal States. "Conservative truths" ??? Yeah, just like FAUX Noise, I'm sure.

Nothing but the "Conservative truth" from this pharma-funded slander site.

Conservative Truths is a pro-liberal web site.

Doesnt' take more than a quick glance at their home page to realize this. FFS...

Bullshit.

He is a liberal, and owns a liberal web site with lots of good anti-conservative facts on it.

IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE MAN!

GO LOOK! Or are you just one of the anti-vax crew?

Not exactly. There have been some good vaccines in the past.

But that was in the days when the FDA did their fucking jobs, and the pharmaceutical industry wasn't so goddamn powerful. However, this mercury laced shit doesn't qualify.

And I'm not going any where the "swine flu" vaccine either.

Too much media hype of a "pandemic" based on little or nothing.

And considering drug companies are making about 1 out of every three commercials on TV anymore, that tells you what team the media whores are on.

If it were, then your argument would be more plausible.

But what about the UK or other Europaean countries, where there is universal health care and tight restriction of pharma advertising (in the UK, prescription drugs cannot be advertised in the general media, only in publications directed specifically at the medical profession - so there is far less advertising)?

And the FDA does not operate outside the USA.

Yet we have and recommend most of the same vaccines.

Not mandatory in the UK by the way, but recommended by doctors, and provided free to everyone in the case of the main childhood vaccines and to vulnerable groups in the case of the flu vaccines.

So vaccination programmes are not just a product of American politics or business or of a for-profit health care system.

Sodium is deadly Chlorine is deadly But you need both to stay alive in the form of SodiumChloride (salt). Just because something contains mercury doesn't mean its deadly Oh, and they don't even use that preservative anymore.

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You sure showed me, Sebastian.

You sometimes accuse people of being shills for Big Oil as well.

Let me guess.... you think every woman in Afghanistan should be given this mercury polluted shit vaccine?

Where can I see that evidence for myself?

Because pharma-funded "scientists" said so?

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Because I don't believe what unregulated pharma bastards tell me about shooting fucking mercury into my bloodstream being "completely safe"

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Thiomersal's main use is as an antiseptic and antifungal agent.

In multidose injectable drug delivery systems, it prevents serious adverse effects such as the Staphylococcus infection that, in one 1928 incident, killed 12 of 21 children inoculated with a diphtheria vaccine that lacked a preservative. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal

Even in the old days, there were traces of ethyl mercury, which is not the same as the methyl mercury that we're familiar with.

Even so, they used the same dosage guidlines as methyl mercury, to insure that the microscopic traces couldn't cause harm. You get more mercury eating a diet rich in fish than if you got one of those old vaccines.

And the fact that there have been ZERO links between vaccines and autism, what evidence do YOU have that shows that there is? Choosing not to believe the science, while ignorant, IS your choice, but WHY (other than the "Because pharma-funded "scientists" said so?") do you choose not to believe it?

I see every reason TO believe they are safe.

Can you point me to evidence that says they are not?

No research by any source has found a link between vaccines and autism, and the health benefits of broad vaccination are one of the most basic tenets of epidemiology.

McCarthy is wrong.

So are all of these liberals secretly working for Big Pharma?

"He's a Republican!

They're shills for big pharma!" "The site has a liberal slant." "Then why is he shilling for big pharma!?" Nice little closed-circuit there.

No chance of ever needing to change your mind with that kind of thinking.

Whether this is done by Big Pharma by making them unaffordable, or by ideological opponents of vaccination in particular or government health programmes in general. Those of us who are pro-vaccination are not 'shilling for big pharma';

We are defending the basic human right to preventive health care.

Not all of us even support mandatory vaccination - I don't;

I just want it to be made universally available.

How is this site shilling for anything but an examination of the illogical fears against vaccination?

His links are to sites like Dailykos and Crooks&Liars. From the page- The idea for this website (and its sister site Liberal-Truths) came out of my disappointment following the 2004 Presidential Election.

I was disappointed that conservative politicians and pundits had successfully tarnished the word “liberal”.

I wanted to do something that would help change that and a posting by Markos Moulitsas at DailyKos gave me the inspiration.

That posting was about how conservatives have higher rates of divorce than liberals.

I am a member of the DailyKos and MyDD communities and in late 2004 I asked other community members for technical and subject advice and I received lots of help and suggestions.

There are ZERO corollaries between vaccines and autism ZERO.

The ant-vaccine BS is BUNK.

Imagine that!

Come in all stripes? Peace HuckleB.

Cheers!

Cheers my friend.

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Including name, and occupation (and the fact that he's a liberal). You'd know that, if you'd bothered to do some research...but why bother, right?

Anonymously

That really seems like that basis for all the indigo/crystal bullshit.

Its like soccer moms run amok and turned up to 11.

When it's not enough to excel at school or sports or art or whatever, they have to make up some new shit.

Its just another way for bored parents to live vicariously through their offspring.

Its the new version of "oh yeah, we'll my son is at Harvard, he's going to be a lawyer."

It's unthinkable.

Where all the children are above average...

What happens when you finally realize Mommy was wrong, you DON'T have supernatural powers?

To their centers where they are quite literally tended all day at activities you and I might consider quite normal. Autism, real autism and I agree it is over diagnosed, is not a trivial thing.

And when a child of 2-3 who is developing normally suddenly changes shortly after a round of vaccinations, it is pretty hard to blame the parent for wanting that normal baby back.

You know measurable stuff, like they were developing language at or above standards and interacting with others, at 2-3yo we're talking about well past the gaga-googoo stage here, then they go entirely mute and unresponsive to virtually any stimulus or the only response becomes a shriek or a panic attack??? I can't agree more that it is over diagnosed, like depression and so many others that Pharma makes big money with, but for some it is quite real, and the timing points right to vaccinations.

You wasted a perfectly good hysterical rant.

I would like to see for myself what the details are on this normally developing child that suddenly went autistic after a vaccine.

Doesn't matter if you yell or ridicule, mock or cajole.

It is not YOUR right to tell people what to do with their bodies. Is that a hard concept for you?

Which includes Ms.

McCarthy. If celebrities were getting up on TV and saying that smoking was good for you and that every American should start smoking at 8 years old, would people who tried to correct the facts be "telling people what to do with their bodies?"

Who gives out crappy, life-endangering advice.

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The problem is people like McCarthy who are lying about vaccines and tricking stupid parents into not getting vaccines for their children who are to young to consent to quackery.

OP does not suggest getting any particular vaccine.

He said he's never been sicker in his life, and would never do it again.

One in a very small number of people have a bad reaction to the flu shot.

I've never been prone to getting the flu, so I don't usually get the shot.

That doesn't mean I'm okay with Jenny's anti-vaccination propaganda.

N/t

He probably shouldn't get it again.

For the vast majority of people, it's quite safe.

Since the vaccine contains only dead or changed viruses that can't make you sick yet get to develop antibodies to the real infectious virus, that is something.

Rather like getting tetanus after getting a hepatitis vaccine.

Easy to identify, their eyes glaze over as soon as you use scientificky terms like "attenuated" or "antibodies".

Then I get called on simplifying.

Ah well. Educate, advocate, repeat.

Nah, they'd just stare at those and tune you out anyway. Crayons and lollipops maybe?

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Self-delete - I apologize, I think I'm overreacting, sorry.

Being sick sucks.

Geez, overreact much?

YOu ask me what he got - I don't know, but out for a week is usually the flu.

It just started as the flu, then I had bronchitis and finally pneumonia.

I'm not getting the vaccine (yet) but I'm glad that it's available.

If my doctor thinks I should get it this year, I will - otherwise, I think I will pass.

I'm not really in any risk groups, so I think I'll probably be fine.

It's great that it's available at department and drug stores, I avoid the doctor's office like the plague during flu season - if you're not sick going in, you will be by the time you leave.

I'll try to remember to follow your good example.

12 hours later when they exhibit symptoms, they blame the flu shot.

Instead of blaming not washing their hands after they picked their kid up from school 2 days before.

Never cross streets

Bad idea.

That's gonna be hard to cover up with make-up. You may need to consult your local Avon Lady:

Like the kind they should've had BEFORE THEY PUT THE DAMN FLU SHOT ON THE MARKET.

This is just my own personal experience.

It likely means nothing to anyone else, but personal experience is often what you remember about such things. Cheers.

In which cause the flu shot would do nothing for him.

This was a looonng time ago, back in 1999, and as I recall, that was a particularly bad year for flu.

I dread going anywhere public right now - especially the doctor's office since I don't want to GET sick.

I'm not germ-phobic but we carry hand sanitizer and wash our hands as much as possible.

Or in other words: One size does NOT fit all. Ever hear of people having allergic or adverse reactions to medicine or food? This is the same thing! Jenny is advocating for the vaccine schedule to go back to what it was in 1989-BEFORE the Autism epidemic. To say Jenny is responsible for anyone's death is total bullshit and lies! And not only that, why should infants be used as guinea pigs by the FOR PROFIT pharma giants?!!! Why are people so fucking ignorant that they refuse to hear what Jenny is pointing out?! My gawd, it's just common sense!!!

She is an ignorant ass who should restrict her media profile driven mouth to something like the jonas brothers as that is her background.

She is in direct conflict with the CDC, and its counterparts in the developed world. The ignorant who do not vaccinate their kids are leeching off those who do.

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With the permission and encouragement of those children's parents. Of course, in other threads you claim that H1N1 isn't tested at all. Haven't seen you explain yourself out of this contradiction yet.

Look, vaccines are not 100% safe.

Some people who take vaccines will get sick.

Especially live vaccines (since, after all, they get you sick intentionally) so then you play the percentages.

But those percentages only work if everyone takes the vaccine.

It's only worth the 1:1,000,000 risk if you use vaccines to eliminate or seriously and drastically reduce the occurrence of that disease (see: Polio, Smallpox, Rubella, German Measles) if vaccines are rejected by the general population, then they lose their efficacy, since the disease will still be out there, infecting people. common sense?

This is science, common sense has nothing to do with it.

Why don't people listen to an actress on public health and immunology?

Well, I have listened.

And then I called my college roommate, the MD/PhD Rhodes Scholar tenured immunology professor.

And he said she's full of shit.

So I asked the two other Md/PhDs I know well (conveniently, one is also a Rhodes Scholar, the other is British.

Both are biochemists who do research for a living.

Both immunized their children as recommended.

If I need an opinion on music, I call my friends who are musicians.

If I need advice on art, I call artists and art historians.

If I need an architect, I call one.

If I need a lawyer, I call one.

But if I need an immunologist, I'm supposed to call an actress?

FYI-the vaccine schedule has almost tripled since 1990 for NO reason. There are NO studies and NO explanation as to why. But Jenny, Dr.

Kartzinel and I will tell you why: MONEY and PURE GREED. And I will bet you will find "friends" who will give their opinions-NOT FACTS-as to why they think that no one should be concerned about this very important piece of information.

POLIO for crying out loud! And how does Jenny McCarthy defend this? "I do believe sadly it’s going to take some diseases coming back to realize that we need to change and develop vaccines that are safe.

If the vaccine companies are not listening to us, it’s their f___ing fault that the diseases are coming back.

They’re making a product that’s s___.

If you give us a safe vaccine, we’ll use it.

It shouldn’t be polio versus autism."

Then run like hell and don't look back.

We use the scientific method because one man's "common sense" is another man's "batshit crazy".

There's someone out there right now who swears its common sense that Obama must be born in Kenya.

Sometimes I feel like I'm dealing with 4-year-olds instead of adults.

Many people on the right are anti-vaccine.

Although the right-wing anti-vaccinators tend to emphasize suspicion of government involvement in health care, while the left-wing anti-vaccinators are more likely to emphasize suspicion of Big Pharma, it's not even as simple as that.

People on the left are sometimes prepared to accept right-wing anti-all-government arguments ('those who line up for their vaccines are sheeple blindly obeying a government that is out to kill them/ impose 'marshal' law on them/ bring people nearer to a New World Order') and I have actually seen people on DU link to far-right-wing sources and even argue that these can be more valid than the mainstream media.

This view horrifies me.

The poison of right-wing ideology is more dangerous, and kills more people, than most diseases or any vaccines. I realize that some people involved are against only some and not all vaccines, and dislike being called anti-vaccinators.

And I am fully aware that there are genuine reasons for some people and groups to worry about side effects - I am personally cautious before getting *any* medical treatment including vaccines, and don't get absolutely everything that's offered.

In most cases, I am against mandatory vaccinations, and instead in favour of universal free availability. At the same time, I am aware that vaccination as a whole has drastically reduced disease in the world, and that lack of access to vaccines still kills about one and a half million children a year from preventable disease, mostly in developing countries. None of this alters the fact that there are some dangerous CTs involved, and that these are dangerous not only from the point of view of individual and public health - though that's bad enough - but in terms of spreading the particularly dangerous disease of right-wing-itis.

The thought of dozens of sick kids climbing all over mine would be enough for me to vaccinate.

Insulin dependent here, son with asthma.

If we get the flu, we are definitely in the hospital and come out if we are lucky.

I can't get the vaccine and neither can my son--and yet he has to go to school with the progeny of feeble-minded dolts who think McCarthy knows what she is talking about.

I never would have predicted this bullshit, even after the bush administration did everything it could to destroy scientific research.

Should be held responsible for every man, woman, or child who has an adverse reaction to the vax, provable or not, since many of those seeming to dying from the illnesses themselves, I'm guessing you're focusing on the current flu and H1N1 vaxs, are actually dying because the illness was a last straw on an otherwise compromised individual, so it would be really hard to pin every vax'able disease on the lack of vax anyway. You know many people die from these illnesses, but many people used to live through them too.

If an illness is a killer all by itself, then wouldn't they have all died? It should be an individual's choice or the choice of the parent for children.

Choice, I thought that was important to us.

Found in these vax discussions including this one, regarding those that choose not to be vax'd, have opinions about the safety of vax's.

. . Yeah, it sure has the effect of making it seem like you'd (all the intensely pro vax people) prefer every vax was mandatory.

You are all using similar tactics to people who want all women to be forced to see every pregnancy through.

. . . It seems so odd, if a group thinks a woman who gets pregnant should have to see the pregnancy through to her best ability, .

. . then we (Dems in general), scream about the right to make our own health choices and call those demanding that we only have one option, right wing nutjobs. On this issue, those of us who are leary or un-concerned or flat out against the flu and/or h1n1 vax, and indicate that we will exercise that choice for ourselves, are now being called right wing conspiracy nuts. How do you folks resolve that level of hypocrisy?

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And yet YOUR posts always get deleted. I guess admin's in on it, too, eh?

What fucking ever.

We'll be responsible for everybody who dies from the vaccine, you'll be responsible for everybody who dies that doesn't get the vaccine. Let's see...

That's 4,703 H1N1 deaths for you...

And 0 for me.

For example, how do you believe smallpox was eradicated?

Well, hell, let's all go back to the 17th century when we didn't have to worry about those dangerous vaccines.

One of the reasons being given on this and every other similar thread. For those of us who are not concerned or are willing to get the flu rather than the vaccine, we are told and accurately so, that others whose systems are compromised will be the ones who die if they are exposed to use while we are contagious. This is not a new idea starting with the flu(s).

In virtually all epidemics, there were underlying causes that caused death in some, and allowed recovery in others;

Some environmental factors in some eras, as well as the overall health of an individual or a community. I'm confused as to why you don't know this, I hope this helps you come to grasp with reality.

The variola virus that caused this? I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

Say your neighbor is going to die if he is exposed to H1N1.

100% absolutely going to die.

You don't know that, he doesn't know that but it is going to happen. Now someone at your workplace has H1N1. First outcomes: You decided to be a fucking ass and don't get vaccinated.

You get H1N1 (doesn't kill you) and you spread it to him and he dies. Second outcome: You get vaccine, as a result your body kills/weakens H1N1 enough that is doesn't pass to your neighbor.

He lives. Now multiply that times a couple million: Herd immunity. If enough people aren't selfish assholes and anti-science nutjobs the entire "herd" survives at a higher rate. Now you may say "screw my neighbor he should get the vax".

Maybe he does and still dies.

Without enough system wide immunity to reduce the amount of exposure he has he could still die WITH the vaccine. If you want to learn something: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity I doubt you will but maybe someone else gets vaccinated because they are willing to learn something today.

If this thing gets any worse than it is, I may just homeschool my kid--anhd I really don't want to do that.

Overall health of individuals and communities of course impact health also.

But after reading the unbelievable hyperbole you pack in your posts, I sincerely doubt you'll actually do any research.

The factors involved in the mortality rate of illnesses.

You should do your homework instead of insulting every pro-science person on this thread.

By YOU getting vaccinated (as part of the herd) you reduce the transmissions of the disease and thus someone who WOULD HAVE DIED doesn't because they never get exposed enough to get sick. High enough herd immunity breaks the transmission vectors and the disease dies out.

However if you are completely selfish asshole and only care about yourself well then ideas like common good & public health seem quaint.

And the DSS will not take your kids here in the US or any modern nation.

These morons are no different than the assholes who stand around and pray to jeebus while their kid dies of diabetic shock rather than take them to a doctor.

This is old and simple science. Children are shielded from stupid parents, religious nuts or vaxer nuts, same cloth.

Emergency custody order solves the problem.

It should be available to everyone, it should not be forced on anyone otherwise not found to be incompetent in a court of law;

And yes this includes parents' rights over children's health decisions.

If a person is not incompetent, then they should have choice.

Kid antiretrovirals because they don't believe that HIV causes AIDS, should they be allowed to do this?

I just can't straddle a fence that says "I want to make my own health care choices" re: planned parenthood/abortion and then tell anyone else that it is only acceptable for me and my ilk because we are somehow better or smarter than others. Particularly when that is what they are claiming as their right to tell me how to choose.

Missing in your attempt to link the refusal of-in this case lifesaving antiretrovirals- and abortion.

Did you know Planned Parenthood is much more than "abortion"?

But not your kids.

You want to pray you ass off that you treatable but fatal disease miracles away, go for it.

You can't inflict that on a child.

Same logic for the religion of the anti vaxer crowd.

They are no different than JW or some snake handling fool who thinks modern medicine is bunk. A child is not a dog, you cant have it euthanized.

Just a personal one.

I also don't know my cholesterol rating, nor have I had any medical attention since 1991.

I swore off doctors, hospitals, and their ilk.

Just a personal choice.

My children rarely doctors, though they had been through all their vax's and such before I lost my confidence in the system.

Once they hit 16 or so, it became their choice.

Now they seem to make choices based on each situation they encounter, which I believe is probably the best attitude.

They take the time to evaluate the illness or injury, the likelihood it will clear up on its own, they get data from on-line regarding what to watch for, what meds might be prescribed if they go to a doc, the likely side effects, the unlikely side effects.

. . . I taught my children it was their body, and they should get informed in general and then specifically when appropriate and make their own choices. If you think that's bad, then we really are on entirely different planes.

I had ringworm and her mother, my great grandmother, had told her that ringworm was an actual worm that needed to be burned out.

She honestly thought she was helping me. Science tells us that ringworm is a fungus that can be easily cleared up with an antifungal cream.

If people (like my grandma at the time) believe that ringworm needs to be burned out, should they be allowed to burn their grandchildren?

Just as there are limits to their right to beat, starve, etc.

Their children. There are degrees.

Refusing to vaccinate your children or engage in similar preventive measures is in most cases like feeding them an unhealthy diet: regrettable, but still not a matter requiring enforcement.

But refusing to allow an already seriously ill child to have lifesaving medical treatment is more like actually starving your child, and does justify intervention.

A Jehovah's Witness has a right to choose to die rather than have a blood transfusion but they do not IMO have the right to make that same decision for a child.

Just like they can choose to starve themselves, but not their child.

Then it is the parents' right.

However, note I am saying that there is room in my POV for the courts to intervene, which I believe should be on a case by case basis.

Treatment? We know HIV causes AIDS.

We know this. So if a parent decides that HIV does not cause AIDS and therefore refuses treatment for their child, do you think the courts have a right to intervene?

Not EVERYONE dies from playing Russian roulette, but that doesn't make Russian roulette a wise health practice. I agree with it being the individual's choice, but if vaccines are not made freely available by the state, then poorer people are essentially being mandated NOT to have them. I certainly do not want a world where the vulnerable are not protected from the diseases that could be the 'last straw' for them, and where survival depends on a combination of physical toughness and sheer good luck.

The mortality rate.

Affect, not effect.

You can effect change, or not, but what you do affects the outcome.

So should people have the choice to microwave their children?

Choice right?

The evidence points to vaccines being 99% safe. "Choice, I thought that was important to us." Responsible choices.

Choices that you make that do not effect other people.

When it comes time to make a social choice, you choose on the side of the majority of people. Not vaccinating is irresponsible.

To my child, to me, to my family, my city, my state, my country, the entire human race. And there is a choice.

You can NOT vaccinate, and you don't get to take part in society, your kid can't have an education, and probably gets to die early, in a nasty painful way. Thats whats offered, take it or leave it.

People are DYING from contracting DISEASES that could have been PREVENTED had they gotten the VACCINE.

They chose NOT to get the vaccine based on NOTHING TANGIBLE that links autism and vaccines.

They ALSO put the REST OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC at RISK by SPREADING the disease they COULD HAVE PREVENTED contracting by getting the VACCINE. See the point?

Not getting something PROVEN to save your life because you choose NOT TO BELIEVE THE SCIENCE THAT PROVES it is well, like, *ahem* believing in an all powerful deity that lives in the sky and loves you.

It made me very, very happy. Now it just makes me sad.

Go away.

That'll do it.

Rally behind a former PMOY who's been anointed by Oprah herself. When you can't find a scientist who agrees with you, a celebrity is even better. When you can't find an expert who supports your argument, a victim is all the expert you need. What kills me about the anti-vax nonsense is that the speed with which its acolytes fall into line behind an unqualified spokes-head corresponds directly to that spokes-head's distance from scientific credibility.

To my pro-science peeps. i don't know how you do it sometimes -- but i'm sure as hell glad you do.

That point apparently fails some?

She also advocates for an alternate VACCINE schedule which has been put forth by an M.D. It's a shame you all don't have a better villain.

Oh yes, and that kid was an Crystal child, with her being an Indigo Mom (or else I have that backwards, cannot remember).

Until she decided her child had autism, from a thimerosal in a vaccine.

Except the vaccine she said it was from didn't have thimerosal in it then.

And except her child may not be autistic, and her fanning flames of fear have caused many to not vaccinate their children. So, (from OP link) "In June 2007 Jenny McCarthy began promoting anti-vaccination rhetoric.

Because of her celebrity status she has appeared on several television shows and has published multiple books advising parents not to vaccinate their children.

This has led to an increase in the number of vaccine preventable illnesses as well as an increase in the number of vaccine preventable deaths." From wiki: In May 2007, McCarthy announced that her son was diagnosed with autism in 2005.

The disorder of McCarthy's son began with seizures and his improvement occurred after the seizures were treated;

These symptoms are more consistent with Landau–Kleffner syndrome, which often is misdiagnosed as autism. http://neurotodayonline.com/pt/re/neurotoday/fulltext.0...

;jsessionid=KXLL1cPf0YB289L0cb3TW1WCdCSG00rXnzvcTcQG419K3zqgxSPW!-2135654213!181195629!8091!-1 In After Vaccine-Autism Case Settlement, MDs Urged to Continue Recommending Vaccines (June 5), Dawn Fallik correctly cites Jenny McCarthy as a celebrity fanning the flames of the vaccine-autism link.

McCarthy also makes parents think that autism can be cured with unproven treatments - as she claims is the case with her son - documented in her much publicized book, Louder than Words: A Mother's Journey in Healing Autism (Dutton 2007). Unfortunately, what the public does not realize as well as perhaps McCarthy is that her son was most likely misdiagnosed with autism in the first place.

His disorder began with seizures and, subsequently, with the seizures treated, he improved.

This would be more consistent with Landau-Kleffner syndrome, which often is misdiagnosed as autism. Daniel B.

Rubin, MD, PhD

Http://www.generationrescue.org/vaccines.html Here are some suggestions at the generationrescue website. As a parent contemplating vaccinating their child, we would offer the following 3-point plan to try to minimize the potential risks from vaccines.

(Please note that we are parents, not doctors.

What follows is not medical advice, it is the opinion of parents.

Anything written here should be reviewed with a qualified physician.

We are not giving you medical advice nor are we qualified to do so.) 1.

Take Precaution • Consider delaying vaccines until your child is 18-24 months old. • Do not vaccinate if your child is taking antibiotics. • Consider no more than one vaccine per doctor’s visit. • If you plan to get the MMR vaccine, ask your doctor to give it in three separate vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella. • Consider giving high doses of Vitamin C (3,000-5,000 mg per day) on the day before, of, and after vaccination. • With the measles vaccine (MMR), consider high doses of Vitamin A (5,000 IU or more) on the day before, of, and after vaccination. • If your child experiences any developmental delays, stop vaccinating until you learn more. • If your child has an adverse reaction to a vaccine, stop vaccinating until you learn more. • Always ask to see the vaccine insert, and never accept a vaccine that uses the preservative Thimerosal (mercury).

For a complete list of vaccines with Thimerosal, see the FDA’s website here.

Note: most flu shots today still contain Thimerosal. 2.

Consider delaying vaccines In our favorite article on vaccines, A User-Friendly Vaccine Schedule, written by University of Washington surgeon Donald Miller, M.D., Dr.

Miller makes a number of interesting observations including: "Public health officials, however, have not proven that it is indeed safe to inject this many vaccines into infants.

What's more, they cannot explain why, concurrent with an increasing number of vaccinations, there has been an explosion of neurologic and immune system disorders in our nation’s children." And: "New knowledge in neuroimmunology (the study of how the brain’s immune system works) raises serious questions about the wisdom of injecting vaccines in children less than two years of age." Dr.

Miller’s recommendation: don’t start vaccinating your child until they turn two years old. 3.

Consider an alternative schedule to the CDC’s current schedule It really is shocking to look at the 1983 recommended vaccine schedule and compare it to 2008.

Does a child really need so many more vaccines today?

Quiz your doctor by asking them how many vaccines were on the schedule in the 1980s.

We have found that most have no idea.

Three potential alternative schedules to consider: I.

Listen to the Doctor (Our favorite) Comment: Donald Miller, M.D., is a surgeon at the University of Washington.

His article, A User-Friendly Vaccine Schedule, is summarized into this schedule. II.

Turn back the clock Comment: This is the schedule from 1983.

If it worked for kids then, why doesn't it work for kids now? III.

Go Danish Comment: Denmark is a first world country based in Western Europe.

Their schedule appears far more reasonable than ours.

They have also been reported to have a much lower rate of autism than the U.S.

Do they know something we don't? I wish people would actually take time to think about the fact that anyone who says any thing against any vaccine will be smeared no matter what the hell they actually have to say.

McCarthy is being smeared like those before her who have witnessed a change in their children post vaccination and dared to tell.

Damn anyone who stands up to corporate merikua!

Good lord, anyone who doesn't see a change in their child's development at even 3 months of age should get that child checked out asap. "Damn anyone who stands up to corporate merikua!

"? Hahahahaha. More like Damn anyone who stands up to science and proof of causation rather than correlations and coincidences. Correlation does not = causation. Edited to add, did you read the part where her child that got autism after a vaccine doesn't really have autism?

What she considers proper treatment.

Correlation did = causation in the case of Hannah Poling and if you think she's alone, I've got some swampland in Florida ...

"McCarthy is being smeared like those before her who have witnessed a change in their children post vaccination and dared to tell." I witnessed radical changes in my child post vaccination, and I'm daring to tell. So, aside from her child NOT having autism, he improved with proper treatment?

Oh kay. Nice change of subject to Hannah Poling from you.

(since Jenny's kid didn't have autism, let's now change the subject to someone else!)

You changed the subject from "she's anti vaccination" to her kid doesn't have autism.

Her child does have autism, he was diagnosed with autism.

You guys really have to start thinking for yourselves vs.

Believing all the pro-pharma propaganda. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/24/jenny.autism/index.htm... I didn't know what was going on with my son Evan.

One day he was a completely healthy 2-year-old and the next he kept having life-threatening seizures. Actress Jenny McCarthy details her son's battle with autism in a new book. Countless doctors and hospitals couldn't get to the bottom of it, and no one could figure out the right diagnosis.

We continued trying different anti-seizure medicines, but they either made Evan act psychotic or like a zombie.

Finally, I got an appointment to see the best pediatric neurologist in Los Angeles. I was beyond nervous in the doctor's office.

My heart was beating so loudly that I bet Evan thought it was a drum in the next room. When the door opened and a sweet older man walked in, I immediately felt good.

I started telling him about all the seizure activity and what had been said so far about Evan.

He listened closely but had his eyes on Evan the whole time.

I could tell he was evaluating Evan and his bizarre behavior. He asked me a couple of questions and seemed very peaceful about the whole thing.

I was starting to feel more relaxed as he played with Evan, and then he stood up and opened his office door and told his secretary to cancel his next appointment.

I thought to myself, "Wow, he must really like us.

This is some big VIP treatment." He closed the door and pulled his chair up close to mine and put his hand on my hand.

He looked at me with sorrowful eyes and said, "I'm sorry, your son has autism." I pointed out that Hannah Poling is a real child, with autism and this is a result of vaccination.

She is MOST certainly NOT alone.

I find it absolutely absurd that people on DU claim to know more than the specialists/NEUROLOGISTS who have diagnosed the McCarthy and Polling children with autism. Jenny McCarthy VACCINATED HER SON.

She now recommends an alternate vaccine schedule and a strong immune system before vaccinating.

Yet you claim that she's anti-vaccine and toss in the notion that her son didn't have autism.

Absurd! You don't want to believe that there is a way out for some.

You don't want to believe that some children with autism can recover with proper intervention.

Fine, don't. But don't attempt to make a Frist like diagnosis of Evan McCarthy, because you, along with the other pro-pharma crew are not qualified to do so. Peace

Http://neurotodayonline.com/pt/re/neurotoday/fulltext.0...

;jsessionid=KYJCr5pbqvDYhlnZHJpmLv0L4RrHpnSWv4WqhcqXgdzL8XQTXhcK!-1127164547!181195628!8091!-1 In After Vaccine-Autism Case Settlement, MDs Urged to Continue Recommending Vaccines (June 5), Dawn Fallik correctly cites Jenny McCarthy as a celebrity fanning the flames of the vaccine-autism link.

McCarthy also makes parents think that autism can be cured with unproven treatments - as she claims is the case with her son - documented in her much publicized book, Louder than Words: A Mother's Journey in Healing Autism (Dutton 2007). Unfortunately, what the public does not realize as well as perhaps McCarthy is that her son was most likely misdiagnosed with autism in the first place.

His disorder began with seizures and, subsequently, with the seizures treated, he improved.

This would be more consistent with Landau-Kleffner syndrome, which often is misdiagnosed as autism. Daniel B.

Rubin, MD, PhD

Did so. Thanks for the article, but I'm already familiar with the tactics used by big-pharma company apologists. Also, it's not a FACT that there has been a changing diagnosis, since the child was diagnosed with Autism.

However, it IS a fact that some prefer to deny what's happening to children as a result of vaccination, so much so, that they'll dispute a diagnosis made by medical authorities in order to protect the coffers of Merck.

Perhaps we can come up with a new name, just to suit you?

How about, vaccine induced autism like symptoms? Good grief is right!

You need to notice that you are doing the same thing.

I'm already familiar with the tactics used by anti-vax conspiracy fools. Peace and lightness

The neurologist who diagnosed this child, in person, is the most qualified to do so. Peace and lightness to you as well.

Who diagnose from a distance.

And they also pay for advertising on television, compromising the integrity of those networks. They should not be allowed to advertise. Some countries do not permit it.

'They should not be allowed to advertise. Some countries do not permit it.' Yes - like mine, for instance. It should be forbidden everywhere.

That is a super idea.




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