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"The computer industry is the only industry that is more fashion-driven than women’s fashion." : programming

Larry Ellison should know, considering how hard he fell for network computers during the 1990s.

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I suspect there are some minor differences there ..

Browsers are really more of a stupid terminal than a dumb terminal.

And cpus are merely better abacuses

... But unlike Women's Fashion, it's driven by more than fashion.

I dunno... I get cold calls from companies all the time asking me if I have any "virtualization initiatives"...

I always ask them the same question: "What do you mean by virtualization?" I have yet to have someone give me an answer that doesn't sound like Miss South Carolina or Sarah Palin.

How exactly is that evidence that the computer industry is driven solely by fashion? Edit: Emphasis added

You have all these companies who latch on to a tech term (like virtualization or cloud) and attempt to market it without understanding what the term actually means. It's fashionable to talk about virtualization so everyone is talking about virtualization...

Even if they probably shouldn't be.

Virtualization is where it's at man.

I had virtualization farm and it was computing cloud-based 2.0 hyperlinks in the interwebs.

I had this amazing idea that I could get one virtual server, and have it run 30 Linux VMs in a Beowulf cluster!

Ever since then I switched over to a gigabit baseband network and started running SETI@home on that virtualbox, and we're getting close, but they really need to release a new version of Web before it can really get anywhere!

I am liking a jobs with your company.

My very experience in PHP, flash and the sql datavases.

I, so can code anything very good.

Please to hire me.

Kindly do the needful and submit your resumes with qualification.

I'm working on a killer Web 5.0 app that dynamically sorts resumes by user behavior.

We're using an iterative development process.

Ever heard of 37 Signals?

Yeah, we've read it too.

The Facebook app uses an Ajax interface to present user-generated resume content in real-time, scanning for geographical context based on IP-address geo-targeting and behavioral tracking.

Also Al Gore is on our Development Board...I mean, he's said he would be on the Development Board...I know a guy who can get Al Gore on our Board...I bet Al Gore would totally love this...we need funding.

Is your bother an englineer?

The problem with SETI@home is the lack of clouds in space.

Your assertion is very nebulous

Your statement is specious.

Your species is stateless.

Your species' state wouldn't mutate if you stopped using those silly objects.

Your clouds are very cumulus.

BINGO!

I'm mentally inserting the meme where the guy was talking about exercising his abs or whatever. But I'm not going to post it, since it as trite now as the word "meme"

I have organized a thanking force of extraordinary magnitude on your behalf for not posting the aforementioned meme.

Thanks to your non-effort, countless hordes of first-time redditors will not feel compelled to repeat the meme located at the link below. Click here.

What's unfortunate is that you reminded me of my previous tech job where my boss made a comment to the contractor that we had a GigE card in the server, so we wouldn't have to worry about running out of 'space'.

I mean, there are problems on two levels with that, the first being the complete lack of relation between bandwidth and storage space, the second being we were running on a 100M backbone to begin with...

I just apologized to the contractor later =/

You forgot Natalie Portman naked and petrified, pouring hot grits down your pants.

How is this different from any other industry?

You sell what your customer buys.

If your customers are clueless middle-managers, and if clueless middle-managers are easily seduced by buzzwords, then you sell them buzzword-compatible products and services.

If your customers were Italian women, you'd be selling them shoes with impossibly high stilleto heels because that's what they'd buy.

You sell what your customer buys.

I think he just means we love our buzzwords that have little to no meaning.

One word: Apple How many different ipod models have there been in the last 7 years?

I know what virtualization is, what the hell are initiatives?

All I know is that I'm supposed to take them.

How do I do that when I don't even know what they are?!?

I always thought you were supposed to roll for them.

What the hell are initiatives? Haven't you seen the 4th season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer?

I have not!

Loser.

They determine turn order in a round combat.

Sheesh. Now roll a saving throw.

What exactly do you mean by virtualization, Charlie?

Hahaha modded up but you should take that to politics reddit ;)

In a computing sense, I would consider virtualisation to refer to running virtual servers as a way of making more effective use of hardware resources.

Specifically; rather than buying individual servers for each person that wanted server space, or making them users on a server maintained by someone else, buy a single significantly more powerful server and provide a virtual server (slice) to each user.

They get root-like access, are isolated from other users, but you still get the efficiency gain from sharing hardware.

The only downside is the difficulties in ensuring a minimum quality of service for each virtual server. Talking of buzzwords;

As I understand it cloud computing involves having a large set of "available servers" and processes can grab a server to run bits of themselves on, if they need to.

Different to grid computing, where servers were pre-setup for running tasks and a client looked for a server to off-load to, in that it's much more free-form.

Virtualisation also allows you to simply pack and drop a solution on a machine without worrying about hardware compatibility. I think this convenience is a better reason than the hardware efficiency for most people.

I have to admit a prior dislike of Larry Ellison soley due to the fact that I don't think he (or anyone else for that matter) deserves the enormous salary he draws.

His words here are right on the money though.

I'm glad he resisted the urge to jump on the bandwagon and called out "cloud computing" for the BS that it is.

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Define "rich." You make, what, less than 0.1% of what he makes?

Look, you can make a comfortable living as a DBA, but you're not going to become "rich."

After having gone completely over his head about network computers some 8 years ago.

That seems an interesting change of tact

"change of tack" - the metaphor is of a sailing ship changing its direction

Thank you, typo genii

There might be other reasons.. there are concrete products -- Amazon EC2 (+ S3, SQS, SimpleDB), Google App Engine -- that are labeled as "cloud computing".

And these products are often quite opposite to approach Oracle uses, and so these "cloud computing" stuff is a competitor of Oracle products. let me explain..

As i understand Oracle's model is such: you buy high-end hardware (single monster machine, or a cluster -- with capable machines, fast interconnects and external storage) and use high-end software (such as Oracle databases).

These gives you lots of fancy features, reliability and performance guarantees, transactions, nice query language interface etc.

But all this is very expensive. another approach is to take lots of cheap boxes wired with cheap ethernet and use simple and cheap software (probably open source one).

But then it's up to you to implement features you need, probably at application level.

Most web applications do not need real transactions, and they can be easily partitioned -- so bunch of MySQL servers would be enough.

Amazon's SimpleDB does not have fancy queries like Oracle has, but it is quite cheap and scalable. these are competing approaches: for example, afaik eBay uses Oracle, but Amazon does not (they use only Oracle BerkeleyDB) -- and i bet Amazon's solution is cheaper. so it's no wonder Ellison denounces "cloud computing" trend.

He is quite right to some degree -- often cheapo "cloudy" technologies would be not appropriate.

Nerds are more female than females.

Just say'n.

Much fussier and more sensitive, it's true.

Afterthought: Should I have said "gayer than gay?" Probably not.

I think I lost all respect for nerds when I started watching the Simpsons.

This is because Stargate SG-7 was on before it so I always caught the end.

I couldn't believe people actually watched that shit.

I look upon thee and despair...

The perfect troll.

Straighter than straight is what I would say.

Feminine nerds? Hmm...

That is a new one. Most nerds/geeks wouldn't know what to do with a female if one walked up to them.

Because they are effeminate.

What does being feminine have to do with knowing what to do with a female?

Most women wouldn't know what to do with one unless they were a lesbian.

Girls go for alpha male type and effeminate nerds don't fit that profile.

Don't be so sure.

I been a woman all my life.

You all make it impossible for a girl to jump in the conversation.

At least you guys are interesting.

I don't know if it's fashion or just rapid evolution.

Several decades ago there was still debate about whether structured control constructs were better than goto statements and now it's taken as a given.

No, a small segment of the programming industry is driven by fads and buzzwords, the rest use whatever works the best for their task. Women's fashion on the other hand encompasses the majority and is dictated by the big players telling women what to want via ads.

It was only by a narrow margin that sanitary pads for non-period days were a market failure.

You could glamorize suicide and half the TV viewing population would be trying to die.

There's a thin line between "whatever works best of their task" and "whatever is currently in fashion" when it comes adopting to programming trends. Has the broad adoption of AJAX, XML, Extreme programming practices, SOAP web services, REST or even iPhone development really been about the best tools for the job or about fads?

Certainly there's a "state of the art" and people tend to do what is considered "modern." But I'd hardly call that fads.

At least there are rational arguments one can make for using the tools/practices.

Unless fashion where it is completely arbitrary.

I mean, it isn't like we're one day going to "retro" and start using line printers instead of CRTs to get output from the computer.

But in fashion, going back to the 60's or 70's is a perfectly cromulent thing to do. EDIT: "unlike fashion."

It's fashion, or rather evolution based on fashion.

The problem is that people never go back to a thing not considered "modern" even when it solves their problem better than the more "forward", "modern" solution. For example, which actually works better for running applications remotely: the Plan 9 GUI system, or AJAX.

Which one is considered more modern?

Which one is actually run?

It's fashion, or rather evolution based on fashion.

The problem is that people never go back to a thing not considered "modern" even when it solves their problem better than the more "forward", "modern" solution. Are you talking about general ideas or specific technologies?

Because I can think of a few ways in which trends and even individuals have gone back to "the basics" or "old school." Look at the shifts between thin and fat clients. For example, which actually works better for running applications remotely: the Plan 9 GUI system, or AJAX.

Which one is considered more modern?

Which one is actually run? So tell me how using the Plan 9 GUI would make reading and commenting on Reddit better, for example.

What does it do for me and you that AJAX..

Or hell, just plain HTML/HTTP...

Doesn't? I ask because this is exactly the kind of thing the web is good at.

And I don't think any previous technology could do it on such a massive scale as the web.

So tell me how using the Plan 9 GUI would make reading and commenting on Reddit better, for example.

What does it do for me and you that AJAX..

Or hell, just plain HTML/HTTP...

Doesn't? I ask because this is exactly the kind of thing the web is good at.

And I don't think any previous technology could do it on such a massive scale as the web. ANY GUI system built on 9P/9P2k would work better than AJAX or plain HTTP/HTML.

"The web" is built for reading documents .

Plan 9 was designed for distributing applications, storage, and other resources across a network .

With a 9P GUI system, you would just type something like 9p://reddit.com into an application something like Nautilus or Konqueror, then just click the executable file when it appears.

This would run the Reddit application on the Reddit server (ie: using Reddit's CPU) but on your local GUI system.

Since 9P2k is designed to do exactly this kind of work, it will run faster and with less bandwidth than an AJAX-based "web application" as well as being easier to program because the networking is handled by the kernel's 9P2K drivers for mounting networked 9P filesystems.

The application just sees itself running normally on its host system and making normal filesystem calls on normal files.

ANY GUI system built on 9P/9P2k would work better than AJAX or plain HTTP/HTML.

"The web" is built for reading documents.

Plan 9 was designed for distributing applications, storage, and other resources across a network.

With a 9P GUI system, you would just type something like 9p://reddit.com Ok, so far we've saved two characters in typing vs.

Http:... then just click the executable file when it appears. What if the site doesn't fit neatly into an "application" and is instead a mix of documents and scripts?

Why the extra step need to "run" the site? How would plan9 GUI handle browsing directly from one "application" to another?

Like if I am in Reddit and I click a link to another "web application," how woudl that be handled? Would plan 9 allow me to link directly to content on another server...

In other words, make a "deep link?" See, the thing is that the web isn't cut up so nicely into applications. Anyway, so now we've saved two characters of typing but cause and extra "click" when entering a site like Reddit.

That doesn't sound very seemless.

The nice thing about the web is that it is seemless.

There's no real distinction between documents and applications. .

This would run the Reddit application on the Reddit server (ie: using Reddit's CPU) but on your local GUI system. So what are the consequences of having, say, thousands of people run the program at ones?

What if more than that run the program but sit idle for a while?

The basic problem with stateful "remote applications" is that they require a distinct service running on the server for every connection.

HTTP is more suited to the web because it is stateless (also a big weakness).

One server can serve any number of users and the resources required depend solely on how active they are. Since 9P2k is designed to do exactly this kind of work, it will run faster and with less bandwidth than an AJAX-based "web application" AJAX is actually pretty light on bandwidth for most common uses.

And since the protocol is stateless, an idle user usually doesn't take up resources on the server. as well as being easier to program because the networking is handled by the kernel's 9P2K drivers for mounting networked 9P filesystems.

The application just sees itself running normally on its host system and making normal filesystem calls on normal files. So then does every server and client need to be running Plan 9? You never really described how my Reddit experience would be improved by a Plan 9 GUI.

It isn't slow, so I don't know what you mean by Plan 9 making it faster.

Of AJAX, XML, Extreme programming practices, SOAP web services, REST or even iPhone development After reading this, I do not feel so bad that I don't know what half of these are.

Ajax = using javascript to exchange info with a server xml = barely readable text format for hierarchical data soap = calling a remote program via bulky http requests rest = new buzzword, google could help here iphone development = porting common games and shit, hoping for cash from dumb iPhone users

Rest = realizing that HTTP is a pretty good idea after all

Well I know what they are, but I haven't made any programs utilizing SOAP or REST or touched the iPhone.

AJAX and XML have their uses, of course, but everyone's using them for everything these days...

I thought soap was something I used to wash up, or alternatively, an aviophidiophobe's worst nightmare.

Iphone dev is about money, not fashion.

Iphone sales, however, are purely fashion driven.

No: that would be sales of the white iphones

Bought my iPhone because it was the best way to mobilize my ability to use Remember the Milk. It's also proven itself to be a useful feed reader in addition to having my emails on the go. By the way, due to the casing on it, I may own the ugliest iPhone in the world.

(I'm a little clumsy.)

Good question: First, the technologies you mention are a mix of good and somewhat-less-than-good.

Second, it is very difficult to figure out the technology that is actually used, and "broad adoption" is somewhat vague anyhow. AJAX: good idea but essentially meaningless acronym.

Flannagan says "scripted HTTP" and this is closer.

I'd call it lightweight async RPC for web apps (and json beats XML hands down for this purpose IMHO). XML: pretty good idea, but easy to overdo it.

Works very well for document formats like spreadsheets and (I would imagine) word processing documents. XP: lots of good ideas here, also lots of bad ones.

Annoying zealotry is deftly dispatched with any one of a number of good programming books: Code Complete and friends SOAP: sounds like way too much work for too little payoff REST: in the same category as cloud computing.

I have no idea what it means even after spending some effort to find out.

If it means I can't use cookies, then it is probably bad, since this is how authentication works in most of the known universe.

Extreme programming practices What are those?

Programming while snowboarding down a mountain while fighting off bears while drinking an entire bottle of vodka while naked?

Extreme Programming is an attempt to avoid blame (two people involved with writing the code, so you can't pin down who is at fault), and also one keyboard means one programmer gets to sleep or they can chit-chat all day instead of actually writing anything.

I suggest firing the Extreme Programmers as the lazy incompetent and scared hobos that they are.

I am currently working on an service orientated architecture for my enterprise solution.

I am using the Agile methodology.

Extreme programming became popular because traditional approaches still do not work. If you want to see a fad try the waterfall.

With nearly no sound logical argument or empirical study this concept took over nearly the entire programming field and still dominates in spite of a horrendous failure rate.

That's beyond a fad, it's a religion.

Both techniques work depending on the context and nature of the work.

However, the principle reason XP "works" is because it brings critical thought to where there were none before.

I've never seen anyone switch from waterfall to XP, but I have seen many ad-hoc shops implement XP as the first design methodology they've actually sat down and thought about.

The trendiness is what made it happen but the first step of actually committing resource to thinking about how you do things is the most significant first step.

The programmers I have met so far do not really think about what the best tool for the job is, and I'm hardly excluding myself.

This is, if not directly caused by, at least encouraged by school. We tend to choose whatever requires the least short-term mental effort, or whatever conforms most closely to the methods we've been already been taught to use. Examples: *Tell my third-year college computer science class a to develop an application.

Let them choose the programming language, tools, and platform.

Every last one of them will hand in a Java application that uses a Swing GUI and was written in NetBeans.

I can also guarantee that they will all be written from scratch. *The only software testing tool we have used so far is Excel.

Yeah, the spreadsheet program.

I don't fucking get it either. *Javascript variables aren't typed.

This can be an advantage or a drawback, but instead of teaching us about dynamic typing we are told that it's an oddity and strongly encouraged to just pretend that our variables are strongly typed. *I have been in both the electronics and computer science programs of my college.

Both of them have a first-year course dedicated to learning Microsoft Word.

Anyone who needs a course to learn the basics of Word shouldn't be in a computer science class.

Any job that requires more than the basics of Word isn't a programmer's job.

I'll concede that documentation is important and we need to produce it at some point, but shouldn't we be doing that using things like Javadoc, ERb, or a PDF creation library?

You know, coder's tools?

No, a small segment of the programming industry is driven by fads and buzzwords, the rest use whatever works the best for their task. I think what you say here is right, about programmers , that is, us.

However, the programming industry is not just us, it is also management and so forth, and more often than not they decide what tools to use, and so forth. Ellison is talking about them, I think.

They really are more fashionable than women's fashion, they are constantly driven to want whatever the latest marketing is trying to sell them. Programmers can at least consider the merits of products, but a lot of management can't, and end up relying on marketing, which is essentially driven by fads.

You could glamorize suicide and half the TV viewing population would be trying to die. I have just come up with a solution to overpopulation.

Use whatever works the best for their task Given my task is to get paid for developing software, can I tell you about our proposed Web 2.0 AJAX-enabled grid/cloud computing virtualisation management project?

Paid by the hour are we?

Okay, not in reality, I was just trying to be funny...

Your ratios are inverted.

The vast majority uses the flavor of the hour.

A very small faction has the breadth of skill and experience to choose and use what works best for the task. The tech pundits and the marketing arms of large software companies generate and push the fads.

Seriously, how many people wasted time on EJBs?

Elaborate XML processing models?

4GLs? SOAP IPC messaging?

SOA? N-tier development? So much of it is BS and yet the middle managers jump aboard these new fake 'trends' annually.

Then they get abandoned just about the time developers become effective with them and its on to the next shiny thing.

Its like a Gilligans Island episode every time.

No wonder we never get off the island.

Larry Ellison: Power that speaks truth to the people.

And myhedasplode . Ceterum censeo I want to get the sorting feature for my comments back, and I'm pissed that reddit ever took that away.

Pass it on.

Why did you tinyurl to a pastebin of your comment?

Excellent question, and very perspicacious of you to notice that!

:) As you observed, the text on the <http://pastebin.com/f2a0fc975 >

Page contains a link to itself -- not a direct link to <http://pastebin.com/f2a0fc975 ,>

But a link to <http://tinyurl.com/pastebin ,>

Which redirects to <http://pastebin.com/f2a0fc975 .>

When you edit/save a pastebin post, the URL changes.

So I could not know in advance what URL the final pastebin page was going to have before saving it.

But I wanted the text on final pastebin page to contain that URL.

This was a chicken and egg problem.

However, tinyurl.com allows the user to manually specify a custom alias to be used as the redirection URL.

If that URL is not yet in use, then tinyurl will set the proposed custom alias to redirect to the long URL.

So what I did was this: I guessed that maybe tinyurl.com/pastebin would not yet be in use.

I then edited the pastbin page to contain tinyurl.com/pastebin as the "Pass it on." link.

Having saved the pastebin page and thus gotten the <http://pastebin.com/f2a0fc975 >

URL, I then headed over to tinyurl.com, where I was able to successfully set tinyurl.com/pastebin to redirect to <http://pastebin.com/f2a0fc975 .>

I did this to make it easy for others to join in, and also end all of their comments like this;

And my hope is that the more people join this protest, the quicker reddit will relent and restore the ability to sort one's own comments on one's own user page. Ceterum censeo I want to get the sorting feature for my comments back, and I'm pissed that reddit ever took that away.

Pass it on.

It's fucking annoying.

There's a reason that reddit doesn't have a signature option, respect it. and the sorting is only temporarily gone until they get the scaling problems fixed.

Would you rather sorting or 404/500s?

It's fucking annoying. Good.

That would sort of be the point.

Otherwise it wouldn't be much of a protest, now would it? there's a reason that reddit doesn't have a signature option, respect it. Fail.

You don't get to tell me what to do.

OTOH, you don't need to upvote me either.

In fact, go ahead and downmod me right now.

Your choice. and the sorting is only temporarily gone until they get the scaling problems fixed. Hope springs eternal. would you rather sorting or 404/500s? False choice. Ceterum censeo I want to get the sorting feature for my comments back, and I'm pissed that reddit ever took that away.

Pass it on.

And the sorting is only temporarily gone until they get the scaling problems fixed. Hope springs eternal. would you rather sorting or 404/500s? False choice. If reddit scaling is why sorting is down, and they are trying to fix it and get sorting back up, it is not a false dilemma.

Sure it would be better written as "would you rather no sorting, or 404/500s?", and YES you could wedge in an alternative like "spez sleeps at night ignoring the scaling problems, therefore he hates sorting".

Grow the fuck up. You seem to be sure that reddit has just thrown sorting out the door.

Prove it. it's fucking annoying. Good.

That would sort of be the point.

Otherwise it wouldn't be much of a protest, now would it? That's the point is it?

To bother people who don't have any control over the issue?

Do you want us to complain to reddit on your behalf just so you will shut the fuck up?

I sure wont. After I finish this post I am going to send feedback to reddit asking them to keep sorting disabled.

Does anyone have a video of this?

I couldn't find anything relevant on YouTube.

Anyone else also think grid computing is a bunch of BS?

Just what the fsck is "grid computing"? I've never seen it deployed outside of academic "supercomputing" clusters. The closest that I've ever see anyone come to utilizing "grid computing" was using spare cycles via a screen saver that accepted jobs via the network (terminated in the end due to security issues) and distributed p2p backup a la hivecache.

There are all sorts of real commercial users of grid computing: in large data mining and analysis operations, and in modeling applications in engineering and financial services, to take some of the more common examples. However, unless you work in those areas or pay close attention to the right sources, you're not going to hear about it much.

For the vast majority of companies it makes absolutely no sense what so ever... A couple of years ago working at one of those companies, a particularly retarded CIO gave a "consultant" a fair chunk of money to rattle off some ridiculous bullshit buzz words that sounded good but solved absolutely no problem the organization had. The reality is that most companies simply do not have computationally significant problems that require a super computer, or mainframe or even a "grid"...

And many that do choose to farm that work out rather than run around, wasting money and time, trying to figure out how to pool their desktop resources to solve significant computationally difficult problems.

For the vast majority of companies it makes absolutely no sense what so ever... Sure, but when it does make sense, it's pretty obvious, and it's not as rare as all that.

When it takes many hours or days to run a job, even on a heavy-duty box, but the customers wants it much quicker;

Or when new data is coming in faster than it can be processed. trying to figure out how to pool their desktop resources I don't know of any corporate users that do that.

That's not what's usually meant by grid computing in the corporate context. The reality is that most companies do not have computationally significant problems that require a super computer, or mainframe or even a "grid"... Again, sure, but that doesn't mean there aren't real companies who do need it and who are using it.

There are quite a few such companies.

No.

GTX X90000 XTGX !!!

The computer industry: one part fashion, one part technology, 78 parts fanatic religion.

What is amusing is there are a bunch of guys disagreeing with Ellison in the comments, and at least 3 different definitions of cloud computing in the first 10 comments.

Is it SaaS, SOA, or EC2?

Well, 2 of the three things you mention are already industry buzzwords, so it would make no sense to layer the term cloud computing on them.

But one is a product name.

What would you call the products in that category if not cloud computing?

This smacks of utter bullshit.

Down voted without reading.

Judging by your comment score, it's crap, so I downvoted without reading it...

A familiar refrain. Steve Yegge said this a while back, "We work in a fashion industry, and marketing really matters." http://steve.yegge.googlepages.com/ten-predictions Dare Obasanjo also wrote "SOA, AJAX and REST: The Software Industry Devolves into the Fashion Industry" back in 2005 http://blogs.msdn.com/dareobasanjo/archive/2005/03/22/400372.aspx

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Dude, as she is your ex, I think it's a bit difficult to fuck her...

Ok, so I can't decide if your pleasure in being upmodded is sarcastic or a more legitimate confusion about what has been happening to you. After skimming through your comment history I'll offer the following on the assumption you aren't enjoying or drawing the downmods intentionally. You use caps far to often, you may wish to stress certain words so that your post imitates your speaking style.

This is not helpful. Posts without appreciable content aren't helping either, agreement doesn't require a reply. It would help your case if you became less retarded somehow. I was fucking your ex for months before you broke up.

Yea right, that's why it took a decade just to get a second color beside beige. Oh, and now we have three silver, beige and black. Do you actually know any women ?

Oh, and now we have three silver, beige and black. Try shopping someplace besides dell.com.

Like, oh I don't know, newegg.com, or any one of thousands of other hardware retailers.

Every fucking color imaginable by the human mind is available these days in PC cases, including no color at all (entirely transparent acrylic cases, very cool). Edit: I just realized that you're actually arguing against your own premise by claiming that PC's are uniformly colored.

Because, you see, that's what fashion is.

Fashion is conformity with some aesthetic often dictated by the status quo.

So if, like you claimed, PC cases were uniformly colored out of very few choices, then you could talk about PC users' fashion-consciousness.

But this is not the case.

(Sorry about the pun.) The availability of eclectic choices in PC cases is a testament to the wide variety and indiviuality of PC users.

Unlike Mac users, who really are limited to white, silver and black.

(Actually, I don't even know if you can currently get any black computers from Apple.

The choices might be down to just two.

How sad.)

What's with all the fashion and beauty pageants on Reddit today?

Oh sweet, one of my university courses this year is on Cloud computing.

Does that make me fashionable?

"The computer industry is the only industry that is less woman-filled than a gay bar."

Or a seminary.

No fashion is IMPORTANT, but not the deciding factor.

If the iPhone sucked nobody would use it.

But the fact is, it's pretty AND functional.

Maybe it doesn't do everything under the sun but most geeks don't understand that's by design.

Less is more.

That, and the iPod industry.

What about the financial services business?

It' not really the industry that is driven by trends, it's mostly the PR department. The decision making goes like this: would it make the investors happy if we make some more web 4.0 announcements?

Yes. Then let's do it. Actually investing serious cash in these trends is a different story.

Larry Ellison is Iron Man.

"Cloud Computing": because nobody was going to buy "Web 3.0"

Maybe I’m an idiot, but I have no idea what anyone is talking about.

What is it? Cloud computing is any application for which a significant amount of processing, storage, or other service is handled server-side, either over a LAN, or more often these days, over the web.

That's what it is.

It's neither confusing nor ambiguous. In fact, that's why we can get away with having netbooks with pitifully limited local storage resources these days.

People have their data up on Gmail and Google Docs and Flickr and Amazon S3.

They just need a client to access it and interact with it.

The computing industry is run by France???

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It made sense to me only after I re-worded to: The computer industry is the only industry that is more fashion-driven than women’s clothing. It appears this was something that was come up with on the spot in response to a question.

Thus the bad worded can be excused as not enough time to think out exactly what you mean.

It would be nice if the editors of this story could have asked Larry if he perhaps wants to re-word it before publishing it on paper.

But that would mean they need to do a little extra work and few reporters will do that anymore.

No, it's not.

The computer industry is the only industry that is more fashion-driven than women’s fashion. That's utter bullshit.

Now, I have to get back to programming.

In Python. Wait, Ruby.

I mean Lisp. Err, Factor.

Uh, clojure!




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